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Post by pjaye on Sept 19, 2023 5:53:47 GMT
He's all over the online news/forums etc. but I haven't seen it discussed here yet.
There was a UK special on Monday called Dispatches where Russell Brand was accused of rape, sexual assault, and emotional abuse over a seven-year period between 2006 and 2013. One of the women was 16 at the time. The allegations were made by five alleged victims, four of whom chose to remain anonymous. The claims were detailed in a joint investigation by the Sunday Times, the Times, and Channel 4 Dispatches.
If you haven't seen it - there's so many stories I don't need to link. Some interesting things have come out that I haven't seen before - Bob Geldoff calling him a 'c**t' at an awards show and Rod Stewart blasting him at a different one.
Personally I haven't seen any of his movies or watched his comedy shows, but I have seen him interviewed on TV and on a couple of Aussie ones, he touched/kissed/sat on the female interviewers. I always thought he was sleazy but then Katie Perry married him and I that that maybe it was all an act?
Now it's well and truly hit the fan for him, and more women are speaking out and it's being called "comedy's Me Too moment" Russell of course has defended himself saying that he denies the allegations and that all of his sexual past was consensual.
I watched Dispatches with a VPN, but I don't know if it has/will be shown on American TV.
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Post by katlady on Sept 19, 2023 6:26:56 GMT
I haven’t been following the story too closely. I guess he is saying it is an attack on him because he is very vocal about blasting the establishment. Also, some are saying that Elon is leading the attack on him.
In the past, I enjoyed listening to him when he would talk about life and the universe. He comes across as very intelligent with good verbal skills. I can picture him being very persuasive. I haven’t paid much attention to him in recent years. It will be interesting to see what unfolds from all this. Of course, if all the allegations are true, then he should pay the consequences for his actions.
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Post by wellway on Sept 19, 2023 6:44:27 GMT
The story has been front page here for a few days. I'm a big comedy fan but I've never liked him or his style. Your post reminded me of something he did back in 2008. Wiki In a pre-recorded episode of The Russell Brand Show broadcast on BBC Radio 2 on 18 October 2008, comedian Russell Brand and television presenter Jonathan Ross made prank calls to actor Andrew Sachs that caused controversy in the United Kingdom. Brand and Ross called Sachs to interview him on air; when he did not answer, they left lewd messages on his answering machine, including comments about Brand's relationship with Sachs' granddaughter Georgina Baillie. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Russell_Brand_Show_prank_calls_row
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Post by Bridget in MD on Sept 19, 2023 6:57:09 GMT
I e seen several TikTok’s on this and some articles. I liked him when he was with Katy perry. That pairing seemed unusual but real and sweet. I was rooting for them. However these new stories don’t seem totally out of character (unfortunately) for him.
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 19, 2023 7:16:25 GMT
While it saddens me (for those affected) when things like this are revealed/brought to light, it doesn’t really surprise me in this case. I always thought he was one of the sleaziest people I’ve ever seen. He made my skin crawl and seriously made me uncomfortable when watching him. And I think I have only seen him on late night talk shows and such. Hoping he gets what ever retribution is deserved.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 19, 2023 7:34:27 GMT
I used to enjoy his stand up and his appearances on panel shows. He was quick witted and articulate, which I liked. I never enjoyed him on chat shows where he seemed to have no verbal or physical filter towards the hosts or other guests. He and Jonathan Ross totally overstepped the mark with regard to Andrew Sachs.
The media yesterday seemed to be implying that Katie Perry thought she was the reason their marriage broke down then she realised she wasn’t and would say why at some point if that point arose.
He is now the father of two little girls with another baby on the way. I wonder how he feels knowing his children could encounter someone with his promiscuity in the future.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 19, 2023 7:42:15 GMT
The media yesterday seemed to be implying that Katie Perry thought she was the reason their marriage broke down then she realised she wasn’t and would say why at some point if that point arose I didn't follow their marriage at all, apart from seeing they got married and then divorced, but I admit I assumed she was the one who ended it. I saw a story yesterday supposedly quoting her (and I have no idea if it's true or not) but it had Perry as saying that "Brand texted her that he was divorcing her, and she hasn't spoken to him since". Then it went on to the part you said...she knew why he ended it but wasn't saying...yet. I was surprised he ended it, she always comes across as a strong woman, so I figured she finally had enough of him. It will be interesting to see if she makes any further public comment.
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Post by AussieMeg on Sept 19, 2023 7:55:07 GMT
I've always struggled with my feelings about him. I oscillate between finding him attractive and then the next minute feeling my skin crawl. It's so weird. I mean, he has definitely always been sleezy.
I did actually like him when he appeared on The Great Celebrity Bake Off. His 'vagina showstopper' was something to behold!
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Post by gar on Sept 19, 2023 7:56:41 GMT
I was never a fan and didn't really follow his career but someone remarked yesterday that you only had to listen to some of his stand up routines to realise what he thought of women and to see his real personality.
He is clever and articulate but not likeable or appealing imo and there's an awful lot of smoke if there's (according to him) no fire.
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Post by pjaye on Sept 19, 2023 8:21:12 GMT
UK ladies wellway gillyp gar - have you watches the Dispatches show? If not, will you? if you did, what did you think of the allegations? Piers Morgan (yes I know, but in this case he actually has a sensible discussion with various people on both sides of the argument) did a show about this yesterday: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf_N-nPHrisThere are a lot of people saying it's "trial by media" and why didn't women go to the police, but I can see why not, especially if you are in a consensual relationship with someone it can be hard to prove rape (still) although I think most women understand that there's a difference between a consensual sexual encounter where you are in full agreement and he's wearing a condom...is different when that same person physically restrains you and forces himself into you without a condom when you are saying no and telling him to stop., however who said/did what in that situation can be hard to prove legally. As Morgan points out in the Harvey Weinstein case, it took women going to journalists first for it to finally get legal action going. As for his stand-up, I saw that clip for the first time yesterday when he's talking about oral sex and saying that pushing into a women's throat until she chokes and tears come into her eyes and her mascara runs is "the best"...I felt physically sick watching that and hearing people laugh.
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Post by gar on Sept 19, 2023 8:30:45 GMT
Yes, his stand up is rather telling isn’t it. I watched a few mins of the Dispatches programme but recorded it to watch in full. I don’t know if I feel the need to watch it now to be honest. The cries of ‘why didn’t they say anything at the time’ have to stop in these situations. These men are usually in the position of power, and these women, justifiably, feel their story is unlikely to be believed.
How many more of these men are hiding in plain sight? One journalist said yesterday that he expects to hear similar stories about other celebs coming out soon 😕
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Post by wellway on Sept 19, 2023 8:45:57 GMT
I won't watch. The whole thing just makes me sad that women are still fighting this shit. Why not go to Police? Because they have a miserable conviction rate, even today the BBC has an article on the Met, the main London police force, 1,000 police officers are suspended or on desk duty. Two recent cases have featured police officers being the rapists and in one case, the kidnapper, rapist and murderer. Other police officers took pictures of murdered women and whatsapped them among each other with vile comments. Does not instill confidence in the benefits of putting yourself through the battle of convincing the police and later the courts. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66842521
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Post by pjaye on Sept 19, 2023 8:50:53 GMT
How many more of these men are hiding in plain sight? Yes I was thinking about that - in the cases of journalists where he is kissing them on the mouth, straddling them etc, how are they supposed to react? Most of them laugh & play along, I suspect because they are at work, they are reluctant to make a scene. I hope that will change now, but I wonder how they would have been treated if they reacted and told him to f-off of shoved him...would they have been accused of "over-reacting" or being difficult? I saw a clip recently from Spain, where a female reporter was out on the street and a man came over a he touched her bottom, she ignored it, but her male co-host in the studio said "sorry to interrupt but did he just touch you on the butt?" and she grimaced and said yes, then turned to the man and said "As much as you want to know which TV station we are, do you really have to grope me? I’m on a live show and I’m working" Later the police arrested him. More female journalists need to stand up and not play along when famous people (as well as random passers-by) treat them inappropriately.
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Post by gar on Sept 19, 2023 9:03:46 GMT
I find it overwhelming to be honest - this attitude is so pervasive. Why do so many men hate women seemingly and feel the need to ‘overpower’ them in one way or another? 😕
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Post by gillyp on Sept 19, 2023 9:06:00 GMT
I don’t think I’m going to watch the programme. Musk and Tate have apparently spoken out in Brand’s favour. That speaks volumes to me.
I saw that Spanish interview on the news. Well done to the studio anchor for not letting it go.
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Post by gillyp on Sept 19, 2023 9:13:47 GMT
I find it overwhelming to be honest - this attitude is so pervasive. Why do so many men hate women seemingly and feel the need to ‘overpower’ them in one way or another? 😕 I don’t think it’s hatred, I think it’s indifference. They have NO clue as to how their actions affect women, either at the time or in the future and they don’t care.
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Post by gar on Sept 19, 2023 9:15:29 GMT
I find it overwhelming to be honest - this attitude is so pervasive. Why do so many men hate women seemingly and feel the need to ‘overpower’ them in one way or another? 😕 I don’t think it’s hatred, I think it’s indifference. They have NO clue as to how their actions affect women, either at the time or in the future and they don’t care. Hmm, hadn’t thought of it that way… Can they really not see the reaction of the victims?
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Post by peasapie on Sept 19, 2023 11:18:23 GMT
It’s on the news here as well. We’ve had several other comedians here in U.S. who had similar accusations — Louis CK, Al Franken, and Bill Cosby come to mind. I’ve never found Russell Brand funny, and I haven’t watched him enough to be able to say I always suspected or that I’m disappointed, which is the feeling I sometimes get when someone famous is accused. I looked for an article describing the situation, and this one on Vox seems pretty clear, for anyone interested: www.vox.com/culture/2023/9/18/23878706/russell-brand-sexual-assault-allegations
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Post by uksue on Sept 19, 2023 11:23:00 GMT
I was shocked when my daughter told me what was being said about him back when she was 16- she's 33 now! Her age group ( we are Essex based and many in this area frequent the places these 'stars' party as we are in 'TOWIE' land ) were fully aware he was a predator- had been for years- and his whole persona has been created to try to create a smoke screen around his behaviour.
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Post by smasonnc on Sept 19, 2023 11:48:25 GMT
Why do so many men hate women seemingly and feel the need to ‘overpower’ them in one way or another? 😕 They don't hate us, exactly. They just want to keep us "in our places." Now that we're out in the world doing stuff and "taking jobs away from hardworking men," it's all they've got.
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Post by gar on Sept 19, 2023 11:55:46 GMT
Why do so many men hate women seemingly and feel the need to ‘overpower’ them in one way or another? 😕 They don't hate us, exactly. They just want to keep us "in our places." Now that we're out in the world doing stuff and "taking jobs away from hardworking men," it's all they've got. I'm not sure...I think there's fair few who do seem to feel we've overstepped 'our place' but when you consider incel groups, the amount of rapes/murders...that looks like hatred to me.
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Post by smasonnc on Sept 19, 2023 12:16:57 GMT
They don't hate us, exactly. They just want to keep us "in our places." Now that we're out in the world doing stuff and "taking jobs away from hardworking men," it's all they've got. I'm not sure...I think there's fair few who do seem to feel we've overstepped 'our place' but when you consider incel groups, the amount of rapes/murders...that looks like hatred to me. Fair enough, but the problem goes beyond the weirdos and criminals. These attitudes are pervasive. DH says he's embarrassed by the way males think and behave. He doesn't realize it, but he's actually a feminist. Having three daughters will do that to you.
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Post by gar on Sept 19, 2023 12:33:42 GMT
I'm not sure...I think there's fair few who do seem to feel we've overstepped 'our place' but when you consider incel groups, the amount of rapes/murders...that looks like hatred to me. Fair enough, but the problem goes beyond the weirdos and criminals. These attitudes are pervasive. DH says he's embarrassed by the way males think and behave. He doesn't realize it, but he's actually a feminist. Having three daughters will do that to you. Absolutely- the casual dismissal of women in so many ways is everywhere. My Dh is the same with 2 DDs 😊
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Post by craftymom101 on Sept 19, 2023 13:02:01 GMT
Years ago, I watched a Katy Perry documentary that covered the year after she married Brand (I think she was on a huge tour at the time). I don't remember a lot from the documentary, but I remember that Brand broke up with her/asked for a divorce via text and from that point forward, they never spoke again. I cannot imagine being married to someone and receiving an "I want a divorce" text and never speaking again. That is so bizarre. I also remember Katy was the one who would perform for seven straight nights, immediately get on a plane and fly to wherever Brand was and spend 20-something hours with him, then fly to her next concert destination, absolutely exhausted. The sacrifices were extremely one-sided and he never flew to see her. Katy Perry: Part of Me Documentary WikipediaYouTube announced this morning (or last night) that Brand will no longer make money on the YouTube platform, given the recent allegations. CNN News Article
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Post by wellway on Sept 19, 2023 13:07:53 GMT
I've always struggled with my feelings about him. I oscillate between finding him attractive and then the next minute feeling my skin crawl. It's so weird. I mean, he has definitely always been sleezy. I did actually like him when he appeared on The Great Celebrity Bake Off. His 'vagina showstopper' was something to behold! Channel 4 have removed Brand content from their service including the bake off episode.
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Post by lainey on Sept 19, 2023 13:23:11 GMT
Men shouldn't need to have daughters before they understand that women are their equals and deserve the same rights and respect as them.
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Post by dawnnikol on Sept 19, 2023 13:32:49 GMT
Well, between centuries of patriarchal views and policies, and most people siding with the accused, are we really surprised more people don't come forward? Nobody wants to be "wrong" and so the tendency is to further traumatize the victim. People deserve a fair trial, but this again goes back to the "What was she wearing?" "How much had she had to drink?" "Why was she there alone?" "Why did it take her XXX years to come forward?" It goes on and on and even with evidence, these assholes walk.
If I choose to side with a victim, I'm at worse defending a liar. If I choose to side with the accused, I'm at worse defending a rapist. If everyone who claimed to be a "good guy" actually was, then we wouldn't have a system set up to allow most rapists to face zero consequences.
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Post by smasonnc on Sept 19, 2023 13:33:45 GMT
Men shouldn't need to have daughters before they understand that women are their equals and deserve the same rights and respect as them. In a perfect world. Not all girl dads understand, either.
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Post by pinklady on Sept 19, 2023 14:00:28 GMT
When I heard my first reaction was isn't this old news. Am I mixing him up with someone else? I swear I thought this all came out years ago.
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Sept 19, 2023 14:13:00 GMT
He's always skeeved me out. I could never figure out why Katy Perry married him.
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