bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Dec 20, 2023 22:51:28 GMT
Remember the Mom got a robe sketch from SNL last year? I found this very well written and could not agree more. Grown and Flown articleEspecially this season this statement: But at what cost? What if the memory that stays with them, instead of all that Christmas perfection, is the image of their exhausted, depleted, harried mom who has lost her spirit in an attempt to accomplish all of the above? Resonated with me so much. I have so many memories of my mom being hassled at the holidays. We had very short fuses with each other to begin with. Add in the holiday mix and I remember trying to be very careful around her. Especially this year as I find my own fuse super short, I am reminded I do NOT want to give my kids that impression nor is it a healthy place for me to be.
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scrappinwithoutpeas
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Post by scrappinwithoutpeas on Dec 20, 2023 23:08:40 GMT
Oh yes, I remember that sketch and remember thinking how funny (and true) it was at the time. I count myself as one of the lucky ones because I actually have a spouse and kids who would never let that type of scenario happen in our household. And I grew up in a household where my parents were also pretty much equal partners in bringing me and my siblings Christmas joy.
However, I have countless female friends and relatives who are perpetually in a situation like the one in the sketch! I remember being astounded when I found out certain female relatives did ALL the Santa prep and ALL the stocking stuffing (on top of everything else - cleaning, decorating, baking, sending cards, etc.).
It needs to change! Good article, TFS.
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Post by Merge on Dec 21, 2023 0:01:13 GMT
Yep, this has always been me, even when I worked full time. In recent years DH might order one gift for each girl online, but that's only been the past few years.
IDK how to change it. He places no value on making the holiday special. If it was up to him, we'd hand each other some gifts still in their store bags and order a pizza.
The good news is that my girls are old enough now that they've noticed this and will call him out on it. They realize that all the Christmas magic was all Mom's doing these last 22 years. And they make sure there is something wrapped under the tree for me, and they're happy to help with cooking/baking.
ETA: over the past few years I have seriously scaled down the amount of decorating and baking I do. We only put up the trees, which everyone helps with. None of the other decor I used to do. And baking/cooking is only what others are willing to help with. We're doing shredded chicken tacos for Christmas Eve (and I've put older DD in charge of seeing if she can find someone selling tamales out of their trunk, because she lives in the East End and those are always the best tamales). DH is smoking a brisket for Christmas day and we're doing simple sides the girls can help with.
I still planned and purchased everything, including the presents, but it's better than it was.
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Post by holly on Dec 21, 2023 0:06:07 GMT
The last few years I feel like I do less and less decorating for Christmas. I used to go all out and enjoyed it. Now that the kids are out of the house I don’t have any help, not that they helped the last few years. A couple years ago we put the tree up and I didn’t decorate it for about a week. My DH asked if I was going to decorate it and I shrugged and said maybe, maybe not. We had put it up late due to going on vacation and it would only be up for a couple of weeks and I was going to decorate it and then have to take it down too. DH takes the tree apart. The next night he got the ornaments out and started decorating it. Every year since he has helped decorate the tree.
I used to make lots of cookies and would gift them to friends and neighbors and I have gotten away from that as well. It is a lot of work, especially working full time, which I didn’t do when the kids were younger.
Also, my kids show up about 1/2 hr before meal time so most of the meal is already prepped.
I was thinking last night that I’ve done them a disservice I think. They never wanted to bake cookies with me (maybe a couple times before they got bored) or help with the meals. So that was making me kind of sad.
Many years ago I made it clear to DH that I wanted a stocking and he always does good with it. I do all the other stockings. DH sometimes finds stuff to add for the kids. He’s helped more the last few years but I used to do it all, shopping, wrapping, Santa etc.
I’m also starting to put my foot down more when he wants to cook two big meals like for Xmas Eve and Xmas day. Nope. Xmas Eve can be frozen lasagne or takeout. Telling him to cook doesn’t help because I usually end up finishing what he starts lol.
Merry Christmas to all the harried Mother’s out there!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 21, 2023 1:39:12 GMT
I’m totally that mom in the skit. Making Christmas special is my jam. When I was young, my siblings would say I had to be part elf because I could make all the things and wrap all the things and bake all the things. My DH used to try (although not very hard, and would typically fail miserably) to buy me things but he’s not a detail guy when it comes to that stuff. He really just isn’t wired the right way to be a good gift giver. It’s not in his skill set and after nearly 40 years together I know this, and I can either choose to be disappointed and butthurt year after year or I can do something about it. So I choose to be Santa for myself, and make sure I have something nice that I actually want under the tree on Christmas. This year I’m getting an Apple Watch 9, last year I got a Ninja XL food processor that I wanted and a sublimation printer. He buys himself everything he ever wanted and then some, so shopping for him is actually quite hard. I will make him some new PJ pants and a fun t-shirt, I bought him a new plaid flannel shirt for family pictures that I already gave him and he said he wants a pumpkin pie, which I can do.
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bethany102399
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Post by bethany102399 on Dec 21, 2023 2:13:11 GMT
My DH used to try (although not very hard, and would typically fail miserably) to buy me things but he’s not a detail guy when it comes to that stuff. He really just isn’t wired the right way to be a good gift giver. It’s not in his skill set and after nearly 40 years together I know this, and I can either choose to be disappointed and butthurt year after year or I can do something about it. It took me a lot of years to get to this place. This year I finally got him to be ok with me giving him a list and he bought from the list (que Ross voice) I just got home from mailing the last of the Christmas cards and said that's the last of it. He looked at me and said last of what? I about came unglued.
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Post by dewryce on Dec 21, 2023 2:16:48 GMT
I’m lucky in that DH is particularly great at gifting, and he enjoys doing it. That doesn’t mean he’s going to automatically shop for anyone except me but he is involved with the decisions much of the time, and when I tell him I need help or to handle (whoever’s) gift, it gets done. Maybe last minute, and not what I would have chosen, but that’s okay. He takes care of it. Now, he only helps wrap when I ask…but that’s because he knows it’s one of my favorite parts to Christmas! There was one year my depression was so bad I was basically comatose while awake, so very out of it. I was told I gave appropriate reactions while opening things, but I remember very, very little from that whole Christmas season. I remember where I wa standing at his family’s celebration while his Uncle opened a gift, and I remember my Granma coming into the bedroom to see me when I didn’t come out when the extended family came over. That’s it. A few weeks after Christmas I started coming out of it, and going through the stacks of presents that were just sitting there was like having Christmas all over again because I didn’t remember opening any of it. To this day I have no idea what we got anyone but my sister, because she showed me afterwards and said what a good job he did. Oh, and his gift for his parents was the best one we ever got them. He decided, purchased, and wrapped every single thing for both of our families and back then, that was a LOT of people. And that was before we bought things online. Arranged for when we’d be visiting and staying with both sides of the family, both out of town, different towns several hours from each other at that. Packed us and our presents, got us there and back, did all of the socializing for both of us, and took care of me and our pets the entire time. He really picked up the ball and ran with it. I know a lot of people for whom that would never happen, they’d basically have had to skip Christmas because they are the only one in their family to handle these things. As far as decorating, Christmas has been really hard since a loss on Christmas in 2010, so he’s not as into it as he used to be. If he’s not into it I either don’t decorate if I think it’ll bring him down, or just ask him to bring everything I want in and put up the tree(s) because I physically can’t do those things. Otherwise, he helps some, but he doesn’t get super excited helping me decorate my peacock tree in my craft room and usually has already helped with 1-4 other trees so no big deal. I do a lot of the rest of it because I enjoy it. But the Christmas village(s) are something we always do together. My bone to pick with him is this: In his household, the women handle almost all the hostessing and cooking duties in general. Meaning, his mom always has. It’s a cultural thing, but not his culture. His Dad grew up in Pakistan. Now, we come from out of town so are almost always there well ahead of time as we stay with them. For ages he just wanted to sit around while his mom did everything because that is what he was used to. He explained it to me that we do so much for our celebrations, and my mom’s celebrations, that he just wanted one where he could relax. Uh, no? How is that fair to his mom? Or even me, because I’m the one who would always pick up the slack because his sisters just show up right before and leave before anything is taken care of and don’t help during unless his mom makes them. And even then it doesn’t last long. We’re all adults, we should all contribute. He’s much better about it now and even sometimes asks what else he can do (wow) but for years it was such a struggle. Growing up until I was 10 Mom was single so I know she did everything, and it was amazing. After she remarried, she still did almost everything, my dad kicked in when he felt like it, and wanted all the praise he felt entitled to. I started noticing mom didn’t really have many gifts or stocking stuffers about the time I got a job so I took over as much as I could at the time. Most of the women I know are in this same situation.
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Post by iowgirl on Dec 21, 2023 4:34:44 GMT
I have lost enthusiasm over the years. I think some of that is just me getting older. I have alsways been a SAHM, but when the kids were young I actually stayed at home! Now I am pretty much full time on the farm/ranch - so I am working long days from August through November. December is book work and end of the year stuff, and that just kills all the joy. Blech. DH has never really done much for Christmas, but he has given me many nice gifts over the years for Christmas. I am to the point now where I don't really want anything. I'm full. I don't like jewelry. I don't want more stuff to sit around. So now I get things like a new Deere mower (the BIG whopper!). He gave me a pickup one year. One year I got a rifle (but I actually asked for that one). I know some of these things are tax right offs, but damn. I'm good with that! LOL Tonight I was wrapping presents. I asked him if he wanted to know what 'he' was giving everyone, since I put both our names on presents. He said "Oh no - I like being surprised" ...HA! This still makes me laugh.
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Post by malibou on Dec 21, 2023 9:11:34 GMT
When ds was born, I decided I wasn't doing the over top thing. I had already figured out that I was doing the bulk of all of it, and that wasn't sitting well.
I stuck to 5 presents for ds following the something you want, something you need, something to play with, something to read, and a Santa gift. Since he was 9 it has been 4 Lego sets and a book. I'm assuming he will tell me if he wants something different. I generally put something I really want in my stocking as dh tends to not do so well in the gift department. Last year was a bust, so he will likely do better this year.
Many years I haven't put up a tree, and I didn't put one up this year. I also have scaled back baking to just the things we like.
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Post by AussieMeg on Dec 21, 2023 10:20:58 GMT
I had a conversation with my dad the other day, and I mentioned to him that it's almost always the women who carry the mental load at Christmas. He agreed, and said that we also carry the physical load. (My stepmum had just been cooking for one of several Christmas meals she has to do.)
Every year, on top of the main presents, I fill a stocking for everyone with all of their favourite lollies and chocolates and other little stocking fillers. Four people in the house, three filled stockings under the tree. Nobody ever thought to make up a stocking for me, so I just used to buy my own chocolate. I think I mentioned here last year, and several people said I should just tell my family that I want a stocking, instead of waiting for them to do it, then being disappointed.
This year, DSO actually bought something to put in a stocking for me. It was a lot more expensive than chocolates. He gave it to me last weekend, because I mentioned how I wanted to buy myself such-and-such. Next thing I know, he comes out holding what I was talking about! He told me that he had planned to put it in a stocking for me, and added "because you're always saying that nobody ever gets a stocking for you!"
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Post by Bridget in MD on Dec 21, 2023 13:30:37 GMT
My DH used to try (although not very hard, and would typically fail miserably) to buy me things but he’s not a detail guy when it comes to that stuff. He really just isn’t wired the right way to be a good gift giver. It’s not in his skill set and after nearly 40 years together I know this, and I can either choose to be disappointed and butthurt year after year or I can do something about it. It took me a lot of years to get to this place. This year I finally got him to be ok with me giving him a list and he bought from the list (que Ross voice) I just got home from mailing the last of the Christmas cards and said that's the last of it. He looked at me and said last of what? I about came unglued. I havent gotten our cards out this year, not sure it will happen. I toyed with buying cards instead of a photocard and DH was like, they are almost $1 a card! I looked at him and thought, ok this guy hasn't done Xmas cards in 20 years, apparently. I just put them back and went home in a funk. I have lost enthusiasm over the years. I think some of that is just me getting older. This is me too, it just feels same ol same ol. I just look at all the stuff we haul out, which I love when its up and makes the house feel cozy, but I REALLY love when we put it all away. the house feels empty and fresh LOL I had a conversation with my dad the other day, and I mentioned to him that it's almost always the women who carry the mental load at Christmas. He agreed, and said that we also carry the physical load. (My stepmum had just been cooking for one of several Christmas meals she has to do.) Every year, on top of the main presents, I fill a stocking for everyone with all of their favourite lollies and chocolates and other little stocking fillers. Four people in the house, three filled stockings under the tree. Nobody ever thought to make up a stocking for me, so I just used to buy my own chocolate. I think I mentioned here last year, and several people said I should just tell my family that I want a stocking, instead of waiting for them to do it, then being disappointed. This year, DSO actually bought something to put in a stocking for me. It was a lot more expensive than chocolates. He gave it to me last weekend, because I mentioned how I wanted to buy myself such-and-such. Next thing I know, he comes out holding what I was talking about! He told me that he had planned to put it in a stocking for me, and added "because you're always saying that nobody ever gets a stocking for you!" OMG AussieMeg that is SO awesome!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 21, 2023 13:38:31 GMT
Bridget in MD I switched over to storebought cards several years ago when DD no longer wanted to cooperate with being the star of the Christmas photo cards, LOL. I used to make them myself so they cost less than the expensive printed ones but it took time to do them. We still get a fair number of cards from others so I still want to send some myself. I bought a pack of 40 cards from Costco last week for $6.97. Yesterday when I was there, they were down to $2.97 a box! Pretty hard to pass up a deal like that.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Dec 21, 2023 13:55:43 GMT
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 21, 2023 13:58:36 GMT
I love-love-LOVE Costco! It’s my happy place LOL.
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 21, 2023 14:17:45 GMT
I have learned to be ok with a scaled back holiday. My DH and his parents are gone, DS and his family are out of state, and my parents are in a care facility. I'm just doing the things that bring me joy. I have a pencil tree with just ornaments I love, instead of my huge tree with accumulated ornaments. If DS is here to put that up, great. This year I won't see him until new year's weekend, so it's not up.
The SNL skit really resonated with me. One year DH got pissy about what I was spending. He didn't have a clue, BTW. I told him he didn't get a say. I explained that when he helped me plan what I was buying for everyone, helped with the shopping, wrapping, shipping, cooking, and cleaning, then he would get a say. He never said another word. I always stuck to a budget, well within our means.
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Dec 21, 2023 14:36:31 GMT
Moms, you shouldn't have to say something. But if it's happening in your family, please say something! Don't let your husband and kids treat you this way. Being silent is giving them permission. And you deserve better. I'm so sorry for the pain. But you need to scream it from the rooftops. Enough is enough! Sending anyone who is struggling with this all of the virtual hugs.
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iowgirl
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Post by iowgirl on Dec 21, 2023 16:24:56 GMT
One year DH got pissy about what I was spending. He didn't have a clue, BTW That's the one thing DH never questions. He doesn't want to know - but he doesn't question. LOL If he gets involved in picking things out, he is forever getting the most expensive option.
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Post by bethany102399 on Dec 21, 2023 16:52:34 GMT
I havent gotten our cards out this year, not sure it will happen. I toyed with buying cards instead of a photocard and DH was like, they are almost $1 a card! I looked at him and thought, ok this guy hasn't done Xmas cards in 20 years, apparently. I just put them back and went home in a funk. Since I'm not working I decided to make cards this year, you know since I have all this time. 3 full weeks of school activities, chocolate box making for teachers and general end of year house business had me questioning my life choices. We are SO back to photo cards next year, I don't care if it's just the dog in the photo. The SNL skit really resonated with me. One year DH got pissy about what I was spending. He didn't have a clue, Oh man, this was a yearly fight with us, as I detest wrapping so I'd bring everything out on Christmas eve and ask him to wrap it. He'd get pissy about how much did I spend? Mind you I did Black Friday shopping for years getting up at 3 AM to go freeze my rear off to make the financial aspect of it work for us. I would get pi$$ed right back and we'd go to bed angry with each other. 2020 meant I could wrap a little at a time which made it easier on me and now we're back to he has no clue what "we" got everyone. I do tell him we're doing XYZ but it goes in one ear and out the other.
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Post by busy on Dec 21, 2023 18:43:21 GMT
Not only should moms not be doing everything, but take a real look at what you are doing and how much of it is really contributing to a better holiday season for you or your family? How many of the things that are stressing you out could you just *not do*? How many are things you're doing out of habit more than anything?
DH and I both come from families that enjoy and celebrate the holidays but are not nearly as extravagant as many families we know. I'm so grateful for it; it allows us all to enjoy the holiday season rather than it being stressful.
Your holidays do not have to be this way. You can say no to things. You can drop things you've always done but aren't really important. Think hard about what would make your holidays more enjoyable for everyone. Don't be a martyr. It IS more important for your kids to have you present and engaged rather than flustered and exhausted because you tried to make every moment "magical" for them.
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Post by wallyagain on Dec 21, 2023 19:08:28 GMT
DH and I have always shared the work, I am thankful for that.
However, we were looking at scrapbooks from past Christmases and there is one year where there is not one photo of me. Apparently I was not there, haha, I am of course the only one taking pictures (before phone cameras).
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breetheflea
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Post by breetheflea on Dec 21, 2023 19:16:30 GMT
DH contributes about 50% at Christmas. He decorates (inside and outside) and buys and wraps half the presents. I don't fill my own stocking. The rest of the year, however...
I wish he would remember to take photos (with me in them) but when he does I'm either chewing, have some object in the background sticking out of my head, or look like I have 300 chins... so maybe I really don't want to be in the photos.
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Post by Linda on Dec 21, 2023 19:22:37 GMT
I am the main organiser of holidays but I've been cutting back each year and you know what? no one has noticed (or if they have, they haven't said anything and certainly haven't stepped up to do those things). Part of that is there are no longer young children - my kids are 32, 23, and 17 and this is our last Santa year. Part of that is that I've always been the one putting pressure on myself to do all the things. So I'm doing what's important to ME - Christmas cards? YES! my favourite baked goods? YES! ALL the baked goods? NO! loads of handmade presents? NO! I made a few that I wanted to make. The trees and decorations are up but there are still two boxes of ornaments that didn't make it on the trees this year because we were all tired and done with decorating. In years past, I would have stressed and found time to hang them myself - this year? They went back in storage. However, we were looking at scrapbooks from past Christmases and there is one year where there is not one photo of me. Apparently I was not there, haha, I am of course the only one taking pictures (before phone cameras). Yes - even WITH phone cameras, I have to either take a selfie or ASK specifically for someone to take my photo or there isn't one. The older two kids got pretty good about including me in pictures but DH and my youngest? not so much.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 21, 2023 19:24:51 GMT
DH contributes about 50% at Christmas. He decorates (inside and outside) and buys and wraps half the presents. I don't fill my own stocking. The rest of the year, however... I wish he would remember to take photos (with me in them) but when he does I'm either chewing, have some object in the background sticking out of my head, or look like I have 300 chins... so maybe I really don't want to be in the photos. LOL our DHs must be twins! He always manages to take the worst possible photos of me, and then of course he posts them on social media. 🤪🙄 Dude really? Is that necessary?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 21, 2023 19:56:03 GMT
I can so relate to this, as DH and I just had an argument about this yesterday. My family lives in Iowa and his in NY. He has never wanted to go back to NY to visit at any time of year, let alone Christmas, so we have always gone to Iowa. More often than not he says that he couldn't get off of work and stays home by himself. It's annoying and seems unlikely that he tries as hard as he says he does to get the time off. In addition to not going with us, he makes no effort to participate in any holiday activities, help with shopping or baking, etc. Family always asks why he isn't there and it is hard to explain why when I am not even sure what his issue is, except that he has a smaller family and I have a large family so maybe it is too much? He has never said. Anyway, this year the timing is perfect that he could go with us and not have to take time off of work. I even said that he could just go to the Christmas at my moms and then go home with the dog if he wanted. He never really responded but yesterday I asked again. After some pushing he said that he just "doesn't want to spend his Christmas there." A few years ago we did have a discussion about holidays and I said that I was fine with staying home for Thanksgiving but was not ok missing Christmas. In part because my brothers live across the country and Christmas is the only time we see them. Also, it just doesn't feel like a holiday when we are home. I do all of the work, we open presents quickly, then they go watch football and I just sit here. We have stayed home for Thanksgiving and Easter for several years now. DH also doesn't make any effort to go with us during trips other times of the year so it isn't just Christmas. I am pretty irritated with this as it has been building for years. In general I feel like I have to decide if I am better off lonely with him or without him. And as the kids get older and I am starting to think about how things will be when the kids aren't home anymore, my thoughts on this change.
DH used to give me the gift he bought (if he bought anything) in the bag from the store. He has gotten better since I have started giving he and the kids specific ideas (and my older kids are really good with gifts) and DS told me he wrapped the gift from DH for me this year.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Dec 21, 2023 20:06:11 GMT
I actually *need* a robe hahaha.
I've lost most of my Christmas mojo, what little there was to begin with. I am really sick of doing everything, so I have stopped most of it. I don't think my husband has ever done anything to be part of Christmas- he grew up not celebrating it, and that's his excuse, but he's the one that "loves it so much!"
While he would never dare say it directly, he has mentioned how things are much more *low key* (now that I have stopped doing them) and that it feels less like Christmas. I invited him to restart the traditions- but I am still waiting on that. It really sucks when you do everything to make Christmas happen and to have it completely unrecognized. I used to at least get a few candles from the kids, but he doesn't even bother to orchestrate that anymore.
OK *ends annual xmas pity party*
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Post by padresfan619 on Dec 21, 2023 21:35:57 GMT
I think I was around 12 years old when I noticed my mom’s stocking was empty. I would always get on my dad’s case about it after that and finally when I was old enough to have some spending money of my own I made sure she was taken care of. To this day I put a spending limit on my dad and brother for their gifts but my mom, there’s pretty much no limit. She deserves so much than I can give her and I try to take the load off of her when and where I can.
I went back to work this fall so juggling work, taking care of my son, and everything else on top of Christmas has been a challenge but I’m not making myself nuts over it. Luckily I have never had to worry about my husband not being prepared or not willing to help. He’s a great man.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 22, 2023 3:57:30 GMT
I can so relate to this, as DH and I just had an argument about this yesterday. My family lives in Iowa and his in NY. He has never wanted to go back to NY to visit at any time of year, let alone Christmas, so we have always gone to Iowa. More often than not he says that he couldn't get off of work and stays home by himself. It's annoying and seems unlikely that he tries as hard as he says he does to get the time off. In addition to not going with us, he makes no effort to participate in any holiday activities, help with shopping or baking, etc. Family always asks why he isn't there and it is hard to explain why when I am not even sure what his issue is, except that he has a smaller family and I have a large family so maybe it is too much? He has never said. Anyway, this year the timing is perfect that he could go with us and not have to take time off of work. I even said that he could just go to the Christmas at my moms and then go home with the dog if he wanted. He never really responded but yesterday I asked again. After some pushing he said that he just "doesn't want to spend his Christmas there." A few years ago we did have a discussion about holidays and I said that I was fine with staying home for Thanksgiving but was not ok missing Christmas. In part because my brothers live across the country and Christmas is the only time we see them. Also, it just doesn't feel like a holiday when we are home. I do all of the work, we open presents quickly, then they go watch football and I just sit here. We have stayed home for Thanksgiving and Easter for several years now. DH also doesn't make any effort to go with us during trips other times of the year so it isn't just Christmas. I am pretty irritated with this as it has been building for years. In general I feel like I have to decide if I am better off lonely with him or without him. And as the kids get older and I am starting to think about how things will be when the kids aren't home anymore, my thoughts on this change. DH used to give me the gift he bought (if he bought anything) in the bag from the store. He has gotten better since I have started giving he and the kids specific ideas (and my older kids are really good with gifts) and DS told me he wrapped the gift from DH for me this year. Does your DH just not like your brothers/family? My DH isn’t crazy about my family either and definitely wouldn’t want to travel any distance to hang out with them for several days running. I don’t mind my brothers too much but I have to say I would feel the same about hanging around with his sister. How do your boys feel about these visits? Would they rather go with you or stay home with dad? While I can understand your motivation for wanting to go, I can also understand his motivation to not want to go. Some people really just prefer the quieter experience of staying home on holidays (I’m one of them). If it’s important to you is there any way you can come to a compromise? Could you make a shorter visit with your mom around (but not on) Christmas and see your brothers where they live at a different, non-holiday time of year, even if you have to go alone? That would be a compromise I would be willing to make. It sounds like you are the only one who really enjoys all of the holiday stuff but it does get old doing it all yourself. If they don’t want to help with any of it, I would only do the things that personally bring me joy and let the rest of it go. Maybe it’s time to make some new holiday traditions that would be a better fit for what you and your family are into now that your kids are getting older.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Dec 22, 2023 5:27:26 GMT
I can so relate to this, as DH and I just had an argument about this yesterday. My family lives in Iowa and his in NY. He has never wanted to go back to NY to visit at any time of year, let alone Christmas, so we have always gone to Iowa. More often than not he says that he couldn't get off of work and stays home by himself. It's annoying and seems unlikely that he tries as hard as he says he does to get the time off. In addition to not going with us, he makes no effort to participate in any holiday activities, help with shopping or baking, etc. Family always asks why he isn't there and it is hard to explain why when I am not even sure what his issue is, except that he has a smaller family and I have a large family so maybe it is too much? He has never said. Anyway, this year the timing is perfect that he could go with us and not have to take time off of work. I even said that he could just go to the Christmas at my moms and then go home with the dog if he wanted. He never really responded but yesterday I asked again. After some pushing he said that he just "doesn't want to spend his Christmas there." A few years ago we did have a discussion about holidays and I said that I was fine with staying home for Thanksgiving but was not ok missing Christmas. In part because my brothers live across the country and Christmas is the only time we see them. Also, it just doesn't feel like a holiday when we are home. I do all of the work, we open presents quickly, then they go watch football and I just sit here. We have stayed home for Thanksgiving and Easter for several years now. DH also doesn't make any effort to go with us during trips other times of the year so it isn't just Christmas. I am pretty irritated with this as it has been building for years. In general I feel like I have to decide if I am better off lonely with him or without him. And as the kids get older and I am starting to think about how things will be when the kids aren't home anymore, my thoughts on this change. DH used to give me the gift he bought (if he bought anything) in the bag from the store. He has gotten better since I have started giving he and the kids specific ideas (and my older kids are really good with gifts) and DS told me he wrapped the gift from DH for me this year. Does your DH just not like your brothers/family? My DH isn’t crazy about my family either and definitely wouldn’t want to travel any distance to hang out with them for several days running. I don’t mind my brothers too much but I have to say I would feel the same about hanging around with his sister. How do your boys feel about these visits? Would they rather go with you or stay home with dad? While I can understand your motivation for wanting to go, I can also understand his motivation to not want to go. Some people really just prefer the quieter experience of staying home on holidays (I’m one of them). If it’s important to you is there any way you can come to a compromise? Could you make a shorter visit with your mom around (but not on) Christmas and see your brothers where they live at a different, non-holiday time of year, even if you have to go alone? That would be a compromise I would be willing to make. It sounds like you are the only one who really enjoys all of the holiday stuff but it does get old doing it all yourself. If they don’t want to help with any of it, I would only do the things that personally bring me joy and let the rest of it go. Maybe it’s time to make some new holiday traditions that would be a better fit for what you and your family are into now that your kids are getting older. Dh doesn’t go with us regardless of the occasion or time of year. He said it isn’t that he doesn’t like them, but didn’t really give any reason other than not wanting to spend his Christmas there. The kids don’t mind going. They do help with the baking but Dh does not. My brothers live in Oregon and I don’t have money to go there every year. I also think it’s important for the kids to have connections to family and cousins. My husband apparently doesn’t think that is important. In total I gave 11 siblings and numerous aunts, uncles, cousins and until this summer, grandparents. Christmas is the only time when most of them are all in one place. As for activities, Nobody wants to do much of what I suggest-holiday or not. It seems that unless it is kids sports related we do nothing. This morning I saw a commercial for the Glow festival in St. Paul. I sent a family text saying that we should go next weekend and one DS liked the text but nobody else acknowledged it at all.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 22, 2023 15:16:42 GMT
Does your DH just not like your brothers/family? My DH isn’t crazy about my family either and definitely wouldn’t want to travel any distance to hang out with them for several days running. I don’t mind my brothers too much but I have to say I would feel the same about hanging around with his sister. How do your boys feel about these visits? Would they rather go with you or stay home with dad? While I can understand your motivation for wanting to go, I can also understand his motivation to not want to go. Some people really just prefer the quieter experience of staying home on holidays (I’m one of them). If it’s important to you is there any way you can come to a compromise? Could you make a shorter visit with your mom around (but not on) Christmas and see your brothers where they live at a different, non-holiday time of year, even if you have to go alone? That would be a compromise I would be willing to make. It sounds like you are the only one who really enjoys all of the holiday stuff but it does get old doing it all yourself. If they don’t want to help with any of it, I would only do the things that personally bring me joy and let the rest of it go. Maybe it’s time to make some new holiday traditions that would be a better fit for what you and your family are into now that your kids are getting older. Dh doesn’t go with us regardless of the occasion or time of year. He said it isn’t that he doesn’t like them, but didn’t really give any reason other than not wanting to spend his Christmas there. The kids don’t mind going. They do help with the baking but Dh does not. My brothers live in Oregon and I don’t have money to go there every year. I also think it’s important for the kids to have connections to family and cousins. My husband apparently doesn’t think that is important. In total I gave 11 siblings and numerous aunts, uncles, cousins and until this summer, grandparents. Christmas is the only time when most of them are all in one place. As for activities, Nobody wants to do much of what I suggest-holiday or not. It seems that unless it is kids sports related we do nothing. This morning I saw a commercial for the Glow festival in St. Paul. I sent a family text saying that we should go next weekend and one DS liked the text but nobody else acknowledged it at all. Is there a reason why your brothers can’t come to you to visit some years? Why is it all on you to make sure these connections happen? Relationships of all kinds are a two way street, and I would pretty quickly find myself feeling resentful if I was the only one making an effort even if it was between siblings. I understand that having everyone together at Christmas makes it a convenient time to knock out a lot of visits at once, but I will also say (as someone who comes from a big family myself) it can also make it a very chaotic, noisy and somewhat stressful time for someone who *doesn’t* come from that sort of environment and that perspective should be validated as well. Is your DH an introvert? When you do go there for Christmas, do you stay with family or in a hotel? If you are staying with family, perhaps your DH would be more agreeable to it if you stayed in a hotel so he could have a place to go to decompress that’s away from everyone. As for the other activities, I think sometimes we have to accept that our families just aren’t into the same things we are. You’re in an especially tough spot because with five guys in the house and no other females, I feel like you might need to find other ways to have those needs fulfilled. My DH and I have very different interests, most of which don’t overlap at all. Even my DD isn’t into many of the things I like to do. If I want to continue to do those things, I either have to go by myself or find a friend who also wants to do those things. For years and years, I would go with friends to scrapbook retreats, stamp conventions, crops, shopping, etc. He goes with his friends hunting, fishing, snowmobiling, ATVing, etc. Would I love it if he liked doing the same things I do? Sure, but since that’s not gonna happen I have to find other ways to meet those needs and be okay with that. I looked up the GLOW festival and honestly it looks like mostly a girl thing with boutique type shopping, a light show, and a lot of walking around outside. Sort of like Miracle at Big Rock. At almost $21 a head for anyone over 12, that’s $100+ for your family just to get in the door, plus the gas to drive into the cities and the travel time back and forth. While I personally think it could be cool for the small vendors and stuff, my DH and 13 yo DD would have zero interest in attending something like that and it’s the exact kind of thing I’d have to either go alone or find a friend that wanted to tag along.
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Post by busy on Dec 22, 2023 16:18:29 GMT
. I looked up the GLOW festival and honestly it looks like mostly a girl thing with boutique type shopping, a light show, and a lot of walking around outside. Sort of like Miracle at Big Rock. At almost $21 a head for anyone over 12, that’s $100+ for your family just to get in the door, plus the gas to drive into the cities and the travel time back and forth. While I personally think it could be cool for the small vendors and stuff, my DH and 13 yo DD would have zero interest in attending something like that and it’s the exact kind of thing I’d have to either go alone or find a friend that wanted to tag along. It’s almost all outdoor light displays - there’s a gift shop, that’s not the main focus of the event at all. Totally a family event IMO.
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