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Post by gar on Jan 28, 2024 22:44:38 GMT
This is so ridiculous - it’s like someone complaining that no one ever gives credit to Stalin for sending his mother flowers on Mothers Day 🙄
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 28, 2024 22:50:25 GMT
This is so ridiculous - it’s like someone complaining that no one ever gives credit to Stalin for sending his mother flowers on Mothers Day 🙄 No it isn't. It's like someone using a 9 second video -clipped in the middle of the sentence that they're objecting to, along with their statement lying about the content. Its exactly like that. Something most of you would never let stand if it came from the other direction.
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Post by smasonnc on Jan 28, 2024 22:54:47 GMT
Jesus. Still at it.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jan 28, 2024 22:56:57 GMT
This is so ridiculous - it’s like someone complaining that no one ever gives credit to Stalin for sending his mother flowers on Mothers Day 🙄 I can only read the responses since I have the Trumpians on block, but I got the gist of it from the posts I skimmed. It is insane to me that some people can be so willfully ignorant. I don't understand why anyone gets in back and forth conversations with the peas who are only here to argue and rant. Anyone who so vehemently denies Trump's flaws is clearly beyond reason. I bet in the next 24 hours the Trumpian Pea will tire of arguing and will post some harmless thread and disappear for a bit only to pop back up in a few weeks again. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Trump is a selfish liar who only cares about himself. Anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 28, 2024 22:59:10 GMT
Yes, they are. Still trying to cover for the lying liar who lies pea.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 28, 2024 23:09:00 GMT
This is so ridiculous - it’s like someone complaining that no one ever gives credit to Stalin for sending his mother flowers on Mothers Day 🙄 I can only read the responses since I have the Trumpians on block, but I got the gist of it from the posts I skimmed. It is insane to me that some people can be so willfully ignorant. I don't understand why anyone gets in back and forth conversations with the peas who are only here to argue and rant. Anyone who so vehemently denies Trump's flaws is clearly beyond reason. I bet in the next 24 hours the Trumpian Pea will tire of arguing and will post some harmless thread and disappear for a bit only to pop back up in a few weeks again. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Trump is a selfish liar who only cares about himself. Anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot. Anyone who believes he is so full of flaws, yet has to create lies about what he says is clearly beyond reason. Also, objecting to those lies is not denying any actual flaws. Applying your own standard "Anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot."
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 28, 2024 23:32:43 GMT
I can only read the responses since I have the Trumpians on block, but I got the gist of it from the posts I skimmed. It is insane to me that some people can be so willfully ignorant. I don't understand why anyone gets in back and forth conversations with the peas who are only here to argue and rant. Anyone who so vehemently denies Trump's flaws is clearly beyond reason. I bet in the next 24 hours the Trumpian Pea will tire of arguing and will post some harmless thread and disappear for a bit only to pop back up in a few weeks again. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Trump is a selfish liar who only cares about himself. Anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot. Anyone who believes he is so full of flaws, yet has to create lies about what he says is clearly beyond reason. Also, objecting to those lies is not denying any actual flaws. Applying your own standard "Anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot." wtf are you saying...makes no sense
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 28, 2024 23:38:27 GMT
Anyone who believes he is so full of flaws, yet has to create lies about what he says is clearly beyond reason. Also, objecting to those lies is not denying any actual flaws. Applying your own standard "Anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot." wtf are you saying...makes no sense Yes, it does.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 29, 2024 0:08:58 GMT
I should have posted this here instead of the misc thread since it’s about the differences between President Biden and dumpster don.
From The Washington Post.
”Opinion Sure, Trump and Biden are old. The similarities end there.”
By E.J. Dionne Jr.
“The most convenient political habit of the moment is to natter on about how both President Biden and Donald Trump are unpopular and old and how Americans long for some new and energetic candidate (identity to be disclosed later).
This above-the-battle, “woe is us” posture makes those who adopt it look tough-minded, independent and clear-eyed. It puts Biden and Trump on the same level and then compares both with someone who doesn’t yet exist. Never mind that it’s far easier to imagine the perfect candidate than to find one.
This might be harmless if Biden and Trump really were equivalent, but nothing could be further from the truth.
It’s time for everyone, the media especially, to face up to the actual choice: Between constitutional democracy and authoritarianism. Between a normal human being and a self-involved, spiteful madman. Between a government that has performed well and a regime that would gyrate from one personal obsession to another.
News over the past few days provides another contrast: between a president seeking compromise to protect our southern border, while also getting help to Ukraine, and an opponent who claims (albeit with little evidence) that terrorists and drug dealers are rushing into the country — and who wants them to keep coming so he can win an election.
False equivalence is the bane of our politics, and it’s a particular problem for (I hate these terms) “legacy” or “mainstream” media. At its best, the old media — which I have been part of my entire career — takes on the essential work of informing the public about what is going on in the world with a sense of fairness and a dedication to truth, as best as it can be determined.
Journalists should never give up on this. But decades of attacks from the political right have made the mainstream media far more sensitive to the appearance of liberal bias than to worries about other forms of distortion. This makes formulas of false equivalence very attractive — statements along the lines of “Both sides are equally bad” or “What this person did is terrible, but notice this (far less egregious) act by the other guy.”
The Trump movement has played on the mainstream media’s, well, liberal guilt ever since its champion came down that escalator.
Reporters were told to take Trump “seriously, not literally.” No, we should do both. They were said to lack understanding of the people who were voting for him. There’s some truth here — the media does have a class bias — but understanding what might motivate a group of voters should not mean glorifying them, whether they support Trump or anyone else. It should certainly not preclude clarity about the difference between a politician who stokes and exploits their anger, and another who is trying to solve their problems.
Above all, it should not mean pretending that Trump and his opponents (whether that’s Biden, Hillary Clinton or Nikki Haley) live in the same moral universe as he does and are as flawed as he is.
The age issue has a lovely objectivity about it because Biden is 81. And voters’ unhappiness with the choice between Biden and Trump has real polling data to support it. I get why Haley says Trump and Biden are “equally bad” and too old. After all, she’s running against them both and wants to pry voters in her party away from their Trump habit. Putting Biden and Trump on the same level might be a way to GOP hearts.
But the fact that they are not “equally bad” was brought home on the night of the New Hampshire primary, when Trump went on an unhinged tirade against Haley. He was petty (“I watched her in the fancy dress that probably wasn’t so fancy”), threatening (“I don’t get too angry,” he said angrily, “I get even”) and vindictive (“She’s not going to win, but if she did, she would be under investigation”). Haley knows it’s absurd to pretend that Biden is capable of such an indecent display.
And on that age issue, it’s another sign of media skittishness that the 77-year-old Trump’s frequent miscues and flights from reality did not get much coverage until Republican Haley called out the speech in which he kept confusing “Nikki Haley” with “Nancy Pelosi.” Yes, strong women seem to drive him batty, but it should not have taken Haley to force a reckoning with Trump’s disassociation problems.
There’s no question Biden has a lot of work to do, particularly to motivate younger voters whose support he needs and who would prefer someone new and dynamic. But the fact that no Democrat of consequence chose to challenge Biden suggests he just might have the qualities required in this dangerous year: his character, his desire to hold the country together and his ability to keep the peace in his party. There could not be a sharper contrast with Trump.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2024 0:33:27 GMT
wtf are you saying...makes no sense Yes, it does. just read what you wrote.. it makes no sense. If you would like to communicate your thoughts, make some sensible sentences
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 0:37:06 GMT
just read what you wrote.. it makes no sense. If you would like to communicate your thoughts, make some sensible sentences I did.
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Post by smasonnc on Jan 29, 2024 0:58:53 GMT
Yes, they are. Still trying to cover for the lying liar who lies pea. So are you. As usual. And you all think that continuing to rant at one another is going to change anyone's mind? That's adorable.
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Post by samantha25 on Jan 29, 2024 1:30:35 GMT
just read what you wrote.. it makes no sense. If you would like to communicate your thoughts, make some sensible sentences I did. maybe it's a sentence, so I'll clarify. Something meaningful that others can understand. I don't understand what you are saying. If you want to make a point or respond with a thought, more people might engage. My Dd in beginning debate in HS has shown me how to engage and you're not doing it to get a useful or engaging conversation of your point of view.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 2:38:50 GMT
Yes, they are. Still trying to cover for the lying liar who lies pea. So are you. As usual. And you all think that continuing to rant at one another is going to change anyone's mind? That's adorable. So are you. And you think you continuing to try to silence me is going to change MY mind? That's adorable. 🙄
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Post by tincin on Jan 29, 2024 2:55:16 GMT
He's really becoming unhinged. I think the stress of the trials and the campaign is getting to him. His mental decline and confusion is undeniable There is an amazing lack of self awareness when twitler gets upset over someone supposedly lying. 🤥
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2024 2:55:20 GMT
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Post by tincin on Jan 29, 2024 3:03:01 GMT
Interesting that in 2 pages of some of the most awful things Trump has done including the very real threat to our democracy, the only thing you can point at is the inaccuracy of one video that did not include his full statement. If you’re concerned about inaccuracies, perhaps you would like to amend your false statement that President Biden is trying to remove Trump from the ballot. There is no evidence that President Biden had anything to do with the lawsuit in Colorado to have Trump removed. The lawsuit was filed by 6 voters and a non-profit, non partisan organization targeting government corruption. INACCURACY? No. Inaccuracy would be something like misstating where it took place or claiming the wrong day. THOSE are inaccuracies. No, you were NOT inaccurate, you flat out LIED. It was an outright, purposeful LIE. And you know it was, because YOU know a 9 second video clipped in the middle of the actual sentence you're objecting to is completely, brazenly, dishonest. Stop trying to make what you did acceptable. It isnt. You lied. AGAIN. And you continue to lie by calling your lie something else entirely in order to diminsh your dishonesty. You are dishonest and untrustworthy. Repeatedly. Still. It’s amazing how upset you are repeatedly, calling her, a liar, while supporting the biggest, narcissistic liar in politics ever. Spare us.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 3:23:54 GMT
INACCURACY? No. Inaccuracy would be something like misstating where it took place or claiming the wrong day. THOSE are inaccuracies. No, you were NOT inaccurate, you flat out LIED. It was an outright, purposeful LIE. And you know it was, because YOU know a 9 second video clipped in the middle of the actual sentence you're objecting to is completely, brazenly, dishonest. Stop trying to make what you did acceptable. It isnt. You lied. AGAIN. And you continue to lie by calling your lie something else entirely in order to diminsh your dishonesty. You are dishonest and untrustworthy. Repeatedly. Still. It’s amazing how upset you are repeatedly, calling her, a liar, while supporting the biggest, narcissistic liar in politics ever. Spare us. If she didnt spend so much time lying about me in order to try to silence me/run me off, you might have a point. But she did, so you don’t. If it hadn't already been demonstrated that she would never allow it comong from the other side, you might have a point. But it did, so you don't.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2024 3:43:20 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 5:40:57 GMT
No, you accuse us all of lying... You are the perfect one along with your perfect great leader!! Where? revirdsuba99 Do not make accusations against me if you're not going back them up.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 5:49:48 GMT
You forgot these: At the beginning of the withdrawal in his interview when Biden was asked about the horrific scenes of people trying to escape and people so desperate they were clinging to the outside of an airplane taking off and falling to their death, he got mad and snapped "That was 5 days ago!" (it was 2 if that even matters in his repugnant unempathetic answer) During the arrival of the flag draped coffins of our 13 soldiers, Biden kept checking his watch. Repeatedly. Disrespectful for sure, but not empathetic. When Biden went to visit the families of those soldiers and they said they were disgusted with him as he kept talking more about his dead son than their sons who died as a result of HIS fucked up withdrawal. That is not empathy. When Biden went to talk to the people of Lahaina who lost everything, including people, in the fire that burned their town to the ground. He said he understands their loss because he had a kitchen fire and he "almost lost his corvette." A fire that the fire cheif said was out in 20 minutes and was not a big deal. That's all pretty disgusting.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 29, 2024 6:09:38 GMT
You forgot these: At the beginning of the withdrawal in his interview when Biden was asked about the horrific scenes of people trying to escape and people so desperate they were clinging to the outside of an airplane taking off and falling to their death, he got mad and snapped "That was 5 days ago!" (it was 2 if that even matters in his repugnant unempathetic answer) During the arrival of the flag draped coffins of our 13 soldiers, Biden kept checking his watch. Repeatedly. Disrespectful for sure, but not empathetic. When Biden went to visit the families of those soldiers and they said they were disgusted with him as he kept talking more about his dead son than their sons who died as a result of HIS fucked up withdrawal. That is not empathy. When Biden went to talk to the people of Lahaina who lost everything, including people, in the fire that burned their town to the ground. He said he understands their loss because he had a kitchen fire and he "almost lost his corvette." A fire that the fire cheif said was out in 20 minutes and was not a big deal. That's all pretty disgusting. Now come up with 4 public acts of compassion by dumpster don. You keep claiming he is compassionate individual so prove it.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 6:15:49 GMT
You forgot these: At the beginning of the withdrawal in his interview when Biden was asked about the horrific scenes of people trying to escape and people so desperate they were clinging to the outside of an airplane taking off and falling to their death, he got mad and snapped "That was 5 days ago!" (it was 2 if that even matters in his repugnant unempathetic answer) During the arrival of the flag draped coffins of our 13 soldiers, Biden kept checking his watch. Repeatedly. Disrespectful for sure, but not empathetic. When Biden went to visit the families of those soldiers and they said they were disgusted with him as he kept talking more about his dead son than their sons who died as a result of HIS fucked up withdrawal. That is not empathy. When Biden went to talk to the people of Lahaina who lost everything, including people, in the fire that burned their town to the ground. He said he understands their loss because he had a kitchen fire and he "almost lost his corvette." A fire that the fire cheif said was out in 20 minutes and was not a big deal. That's all pretty disgusting. Now come up with 4 public acts of compassion by dumpster don. You keep claiming he is compassionate individual so prove it. No, I don't claim that.
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Post by onelasttime on Jan 29, 2024 7:12:20 GMT
Now come up with 4 public acts of compassion by dumpster don. You keep claiming he is compassionate individual so prove it. No, I don't claim that. This is you ranting? Right. “But for you to use a 9 second video clip that cuts Trump off mid sentence in order to push your lie that there is zero compassion in his statement and that he didn’t even manage thoughts and prayers shines a megawatt spotlight on what a liar you are.”That’s you? Your claiming aj2hall lied that there was zero compassion in his statement. Which would mean that you believed he made a compassionate statement and that being the case wouldn’t that make him a compassionate person? If not what? That he just mouthed the words and didn’t what he said/implied? I mean usually when one shows any type of compassion that kind of makes them a compassionate person wouldn’t you say. Personally I think he just mouthed the words and he doesn’t believe one word of what he said. Because I don’t believe he’s compassionate at all.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 7:57:02 GMT
This is you ranting? Right. “But for you to use a 9 second video clip that cuts Trump off mid sentence in order to push your lie that there is zero compassion in his statement and that he didn’t even manage thoughts and prayers shines a megawatt spotlight on what a liar you are.”That’s you? Your claiming aj2hall lied that there was zero compassion in his statement. Which would mean that you believed he made a compassionate statement and that being the case wouldn’t that make him a compassionate person? If not what? That he just mouthed the words and didn’t what he said/implied? I mean usually when one shows any type of compassion that kind of makes them a compassionate person wouldn’t you say. Personally I think he just mouthed the words and he doesn’t believe one word of what he said. Because I don’t believe he’s compassionate at all. Wrong. Calling aj2hall out on her lie does not equate to me "keep claiming he is compassionate individual".
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Post by compeateropeator on Jan 29, 2024 9:11:30 GMT
Well I will give you kudos on being persistent on your calling out of the perceived lies. Many might say you are paying more attention to the literal meaning of each individual word as opposed to meaning of the entire comment. But many also say words matter, so I give you props on being such an advocate for that.
I am not saying you are “literally” wrong, but isn’t that also part of your issue with how some people take Trump’s word and comments? How many times have people come back and said that about something Trump said…the old that isn’t what he meant and you know it type comments?
Now you need to work as hard advocating for or defending those that are saying Trump is doing the same thing in his TV ads. I am not sure if you have seen the two that stand out in my mind? The first being that Nikki Haley wants to eliminate social security for 82% of those receiving it. The second one being about the border. There is a crap load of “lying” in those using your litmus test.
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Post by morecowbell on Jan 29, 2024 9:51:29 GMT
Well I will give you kudos on being persistent on your calling out of the perceived lies. Many might say you are paying more attention to the literal meaning of each individual word as opposed to meaning of the entire comment. But many also say words matter, so I give you props on being such an advocate for that. I am not saying you are “literally” wrong, but isn’t that also part of your issue with how some people take Trump’s word and comments? How many times have people come back and said that about something Trump said…the old that isn’t what he meant and you know it type comments? Now you need to work as hard advocating for or defending those that are saying Trump is doing the same thing in his TV ads. I am not sure if you have seen the two that stand out in my mind? The first being that Nikki Haley wants to eliminate social security for 82% of those receiving it. The second one being about the border. There is a crap load of “lying” in those using your litmus test. No.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2024 14:00:14 GMT
Regrettably and depressingly, I think he has a valid point about Trump supporters. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/29/donald-trump-americans-us-culture-republican?People at the extrinsic end of the spectrum are more attracted to prestige, status, image, fame, power and wealth. They are strongly motivated by the prospect of individual reward and praise. They are more likely to objectify and exploit other people, to behave rudely and aggressively and to dismiss social and environmental impacts. They have little interest in cooperation or community. People with a strong set of extrinsic values are more likely to suffer from frustration, dissatisfaction, stress, anxiety, anger and compulsive behaviour. Trump exemplifies extrinsic values. From the tower bearing his name in gold letters to his gross overstatements of his wealth; from his endless ranting about “winners” and “losers” to his reported habit of cheating at golf; from his extreme objectification of women, including his own daughter, to his obsession with the size of his hands; from his rejection of public service, human rights and environmental protection to his extreme dissatisfaction and fury, undiminished even when he was president of the United States, Trump, perhaps more than any other public figure in recent history, is a walking, talking monument to extrinsic values.
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Post by aj2hall on Jan 29, 2024 14:24:59 GMT
This should concern anyone who cares about women’s rights and abortion rights. www.nytimes.com/2024/01/29/opinion/biden-trump-abortion-election.htmlWhat is plausible is that, returned to the White House, Donald Trump would seek to use his executive power — power that his allies are aiming to increase on his behalf — to further curtail abortion access. This election is the most consequential for reproductive rights in half a century — a referendum on whether voters continue to be the ones to decide on this issue, or whether instead conservatives in the executive branch will decide for them. A second Trump administration could still try to eliminate access to the drug nationwide even if the court sides against the anti-abortion plaintiffs in Alliance for Hippocratic Medicine. The road map created by Project 2025 calls on the F.D.A. to limit access to mifepristone and ultimately withdraw it from the market as a drug “proven to be dangerous to women and by definition fatally unsafe for unborn children.” The choice in this election is not simply between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. The choice is between the status quo — or a chance for more protection for reproductive rights — and the possibility of an effective abortion ban that would be all but impossible to achieve using democratic means. A Supreme Court transformed by Mr. Trump promised that with the demise of Roe, it would be up to the voters of each state to decide on the future of reproductive rights. If plans for institutionalizing Trumpism come to fruition, the future of American reproductive rights may not be up to the voters of each state for much longer. It may be up to Donald Trump.
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Post by smasonnc on Jan 29, 2024 15:14:09 GMT
So are you. As usual. And you all think that continuing to rant at one another is going to change anyone's mind? That's adorable. So are you. And you think you continuing to try to silence me is going to change MY mind? That's adorable. 🙄 Why would I try to silence you? This is the funniest $#*t I've seen all week. Think I'll go vote for Trump now. Well done.
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