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Post by epeanymous on Feb 9, 2024 23:21:50 GMT
Is Biden too old to be running again for President? Yes. (and I have said this all along). Is Trump and the people he picks to help with his possible next administration a far greater danger to our democracy/economy/reputation in the world than Biden and his administration? Yes. Agreed, and he is really old too! Yes, I would love a Gen X or Millenial president. I would! But here we are with two old dudes, one of whom is an aspiring fascist.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 9, 2024 23:36:54 GMT
The reason they didn't go to a jury to charge him- couldnt charge him is "because his diminished faculties and faulty memory he showed in our interview with him."
So he's too diminished mentally to be charged with a crime, but he's okay to run the country?
Or he's not diminished mentally and he CAN be charged with the crime.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 23:37:30 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 23:39:19 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 23:40:36 GMT
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Post by RosieKat on Feb 10, 2024 0:00:03 GMT
Bottom line: there are two men running for President who were being investigated for having Confidential Documents where they weren't supposed to be: 1 - exonerated and 2 - indicted for his refusal to return them and possibly selling them to the highest bidder, among other things. I'm going with the guy who's not selling the United States of America out to the highest bidder. Yep. I fully concede I'd much rather we be looking at younger people. But we aren't. So, this is just one of the many basic reasons I'll still be voting for Biden.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 10, 2024 0:23:33 GMT
Bottom line: there are two men running for President who were being investigated for having Confidential Documents where they weren't supposed to be: 1 - exonerated and 2 - indicted for his refusal to return them and possibly selling them to the highest bidder, among other things. I'm going with the guy who's not selling the United States of America out to the highest bidder. Yep. I fully concede I'd much rather we be looking at younger people. But we aren't. So, this is just one of the many basic reasons I'll still be voting for Biden. You know, not an evil dictator, believes in democracy and the rule of law, little reasons like that.
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Post by sideways on Feb 10, 2024 0:41:54 GMT
Look what crawled out from under its rock and reared its pathetic head again.
Hur is a partisan hack, as are you.
GFY.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 10, 2024 0:46:20 GMT
Bottom line: there are two men running for President who were being investigated for having Confidential Documents where they weren't supposed to be: 1 - exonerated and 2 - indicted for his refusal to return them and possibly selling them to the highest bidder, among other things. I'm going with the guy who's not selling the United States of America out to the highest bidder. ETA: Perhaps the "yOu OnLY UsEd P@rT 0F tHe CLiP" crowd should've also included the full report in the first place. Not to mention, the President (the one who was exonerated) declined to redact any of it. Could the same be said for the guy still being investigated? You're okay with just making shit up? No one has any problem with that? Joe is currently under investigation for his involvement in just that actual situation. "I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight. And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting or the call with my father."
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 10, 2024 0:52:53 GMT
Look what crawled out from under its rock and reared its pathetic head again. Hur is a partisan hack, as are you. GFY. Yes, I see who did. You really should stay under that rock of yours.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 10, 2024 0:55:20 GMT
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Post by peano on Feb 10, 2024 0:55:28 GMT
I dont think either one of the candidates is a good candidate for President. Well, voting for one of them means you won't be living in autocracy under an insane, sociopathic dictator. Does that make the other sound more appealing?
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Post by peano on Feb 10, 2024 1:00:57 GMT
I’d be hard pressed to tell you the year my daughter broke her arm. She was three or four. I clearly remember the day, but the year didn’t stick in my memory. You can narrow it down to 3 or 4 years old. Biden couldn't narrow it down to "even within several years" of when his son DIED. Not the same as being the vice president of the United States. 2 four year periods. Not the same at all. Recent election years are common knowledge at this point. (especially to politicians) ex. 2016, 2020, 2024 We are in an election year. Does he know that? Does he know what year it is? Your argument seems to allow that he does. So, then it's not hard to go back in 4 year increments. Knowing what years or even time frames for your own self being the vice president is VASTLY different from trying to remember random years of your lifetime of employment history. I did not downplay that. I said it was time for him to go. That is not true. It has been debunked, even by left leaning sources. It has been debunked here. Repeatedly. That is nothing but propaganda. OMG, I heard the bleach press conference with my own ears. Unfortunately, the news you follow is not giving you the facts to base a valid opinion on. Sad.
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Post by mom on Feb 10, 2024 1:11:33 GMT
I dont think either one of the candidates is a good candidate for President. Well, voting for one of them means you won't be living in autocracy under an insane, sociopathic dictator. Does that make the other sound more appealing? I know which way I will vote. But it's a sad for America that these two old fuckers are the best candidates that we can scrounge up for the office of the Presidency.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 10, 2024 1:15:29 GMT
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Post by Merge on Feb 10, 2024 1:16:53 GMT
Well, voting for one of them means you won't be living in autocracy under an insane, sociopathic dictator. Does that make the other sound more appealing? I know which way I will vote. But it's a sad for America that these two old fuckers are the best candidates that we can scrounge up for the office of the Presidency. Agree 100%. Would love to see some new blood. But here we all are. Republicans acting like Trump is meaningfully younger and in better health than Biden is pretty funny, though. They’re both old guys, full stop. They both make gaffes in speeches. But only one of them wants to be a dictator.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 10, 2024 1:34:03 GMT
You can narrow it down to 3 or 4 years old. Biden couldn't narrow it down to "even within several years" of when his son DIED. Not the same as being the vice president of the United States. 2 four year periods. Not the same at all. Recent election years are common knowledge at this point. (especially to politicians) ex. 2016, 2020, 2024 We are in an election year. Does he know that? Does he know what year it is? Your argument seems to allow that he does. So, then it's not hard to go back in 4 year increments. Knowing what years or even time frames for your own self being the vice president is VASTLY different from trying to remember random years of your lifetime of employment history. I did not downplay that. I said it was time for him to go. That is not true. It has been debunked, even by left leaning sources. It has been debunked here. Repeatedly. That is nothing but propaganda. OMG, I heard the bleach press conference with my own ears. Unfortunately, the news you follow is not giving you the facts to base a valid opinion on. Sad. You heard what you wanted to hear. And fell for the propaganda. Many Left leaning sources gave me the facts.
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Post by arielsmom on Feb 10, 2024 1:58:07 GMT
Better just senile than senile and fascist. Don't forget rapist on that list. Rapists belong in jail, not the white house. I'd put that sign in my yard if someone printed them!
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 10, 2024 2:06:35 GMT
You can narrow it down to 3 or 4 years old. Biden couldn't narrow it down to "even within several years" of when his son DIED. Not the same as being the vice president of the United States. 2 four year periods. Not the same at all. Recent election years are common knowledge at this point. (especially to politicians) ex. 2016, 2020, 2024 We are in an election year. Does he know that? Does he know what year it is? Your argument seems to allow that he does. So, then it's not hard to go back in 4 year increments. Knowing what years or even time frames for your own self being the vice president is VASTLY different from trying to remember random years of your lifetime of employment history. I did not downplay that. I said it was time for him to go. That is not true. It has been debunked, even by left leaning sources. It has been debunked here. Repeatedly. That is nothing but propaganda. OMG, I heard the bleach press conference with my own ears. Unfortunately, the news you follow is not giving you the facts to base a valid opinion on. Sad. I was just going to say, I watched it myself and actually rewound it bc I wanted to make sure I heard it right. It was on ABC nightly news. I don't really consider that a skewed channel but YMMV.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 10, 2024 2:07:10 GMT
Better just senile than senile and fascist. Don't forget rapist on that list. Rapists belong in jail, not the white house. I'd put that sign in my yard if someone printed them! Both Trump and Biden accused of being senile and a rapist. So Biden belongs in jail right besideTrump. By your own standards. This is the shit we're being served as Americans. And expected to vote for.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 10, 2024 2:08:12 GMT
So he said disinfectant, not bleach. Would you want Lysol injected into your body or any other disinfectant?
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Post by peano on Feb 10, 2024 2:09:18 GMT
OMG, I heard the bleach press conference with my own ears. Unfortunately, the news you follow is not giving you the facts to base a valid opinion on. Sad. You heard what you wanted to hear. And fell for the propaganda. Many Left leaning sources gave me the facts. How do you know I heard what I wanted to hear? Do you have evidence? Were you in the room with me when "I heard what I wanted to hear"? Can it be that you are projecting and it is YOU who heard what you wanted to hear? And I suppose I saw what I wanted to see too. From Politico 4/23/21: ...Quickly, however, came a hint at how loose the guardrails were that day. Trump introduced Bill Bryan, head of science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security. “He’s going to be talking about how the virus reacts in sunlight,” the president said. “Wait ‘til you hear the numbers.”
As Bryan spoke, charts were displayed behind him about surface temperatures and virus half-lives. He preached, rather presciently, for people to “move activities outside” and then detailed ongoing studies involving disinfectants. “We tested bleach,” he said at one point. “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes.”
Standing off to the side, Trump clasped his hands in front of his stomach, nodded and looked out into the room of gathered reporters. When Bryan was done, he strode slowly back to the lectern.
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world,” Trump began, clearly thinking the question himself, “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”...
Here, I'm just going to head you off at the pass, because you are going to say DT never said bleach, he said disinfectant, because you are very literal that way. However his response was in response to Bryan the DHS guy saying they performed studies using disinfectants, namely bleach. For those of us who can extrapolate, bleach = disinfectant.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 10, 2024 2:36:12 GMT
Suggesting that we test the injection of disinfectant into the body is irresponsible and reckless. No spinning that.
And bringing light inside the body through skin is just ridiculous and stupid.
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Post by dewryce on Feb 10, 2024 2:48:17 GMT
You heard what you wanted to hear. And fell for the propaganda. Many Left leaning sources gave me the facts. How do you know I heard what I wanted to hear? Do you have evidence? Were you in the room with me when "I heard what I wanted to hear"? Can it be that you are projecting and it is YOU who heard what you wanted to hear? And I suppose I saw what I wanted to see too. From Politico 4/23/21: ...Quickly, however, came a hint at how loose the guardrails were that day. Trump introduced Bill Bryan, head of science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security. “He’s going to be talking about how the virus reacts in sunlight,” the president said. “Wait ‘til you hear the numbers.”
As Bryan spoke, charts were displayed behind him about surface temperatures and virus half-lives. He preached, rather presciently, for people to “move activities outside” and then detailed ongoing studies involving disinfectants. “We tested bleach,” he said at one point. “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes.”
Standing off to the side, Trump clasped his hands in front of his stomach, nodded and looked out into the room of gathered reporters. When Bryan was done, he strode slowly back to the lectern.
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world,” Trump began, clearly thinking the question himself, “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”...
Here, I'm just going to head you off at the pass, because you are going to say DT never said bleach, he said disinfectant, because you are very literal that way. However his response was in response to Bryan the DHS guy saying they performed studies using disinfectants, namely bleach. For those of us who can extrapolate, bleach = disinfectant. I think we can all agree that he is, in fact, very stupid and medical science is not a strong suit amongst all that stupid. And, we can probably agree, as the leader of our country that when he speaks he should be exceedingly careful in what he says because people look up to him and believe him. So he shouldn’t go off spouting nonsense because people will take him at his word, and make inferences. I don’t remember, was this before or after the Invermectin debacle where people were taking it against medical advice? Anyway, anyone who can hear/read the bolded, and also not acknowledge the similarities in their age, health statuses, and lapses while speaking publicly…and then still try and win an argument about it on a technicality obviously isn’t interested in a real conversation on the subject matter. And they are way past the drinking the koolaid stage and can’t see how they’ve been manipulated and are basically part of a cult. In all truthfulness, I feel like psychological help is probably needed at this point to break away from that mindset and any attempt at sincere conversation is pretty pointless. But I do think it’s important to point out their false arguments for others reading who may not be that deeply entrenched in the cult so they can start to see reason.
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 10, 2024 2:53:10 GMT
The choice will be between Trump and Biden. Trump hasn't picked a VP. Based on his past experience of "picking only the best", I feel confident in voting for the current president again. I am 100% okay with a president Harris if something should happen. The report wasn't great, but let's not forget the current Donald Trump senile moments.
I feel this way too. Do I wish there had been more options for Democrats? Sure. But I also feel like Biden has a set of intelligent, thoughtful people around him that will be fine if anything happens to him. Trump won't even pick/announce a VP, and there are quite a few people he picked for the last administration that ended up going to jail, so I am not counting on him to make a good decision for the country. He'll pick a yes man (or woman).
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Post by peano on Feb 10, 2024 2:55:55 GMT
How do you know I heard what I wanted to hear? Do you have evidence? Were you in the room with me when "I heard what I wanted to hear"? Can it be that you are projecting and it is YOU who heard what you wanted to hear? And I suppose I saw what I wanted to see too. From Politico 4/23/21: ...Quickly, however, came a hint at how loose the guardrails were that day. Trump introduced Bill Bryan, head of science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security. “He’s going to be talking about how the virus reacts in sunlight,” the president said. “Wait ‘til you hear the numbers.”
As Bryan spoke, charts were displayed behind him about surface temperatures and virus half-lives. He preached, rather presciently, for people to “move activities outside” and then detailed ongoing studies involving disinfectants. “We tested bleach,” he said at one point. “I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes.”
Standing off to the side, Trump clasped his hands in front of his stomach, nodded and looked out into the room of gathered reporters. When Bryan was done, he strode slowly back to the lectern.
“A question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world,” Trump began, clearly thinking the question himself, “So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous — whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light — and I think you said that that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said, supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way, and I think you said you’re going to test that, too. It sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that.”...
Here, I'm just going to head you off at the pass, because you are going to say DT never said bleach, he said disinfectant, because you are very literal that way. However his response was in response to Bryan the DHS guy saying they performed studies using disinfectants, namely bleach. For those of us who can extrapolate, bleach = disinfectant. I think we can all agree that he is, in fact, very stupid and medical science is not a strong suit amongst all that stupid. And, we can probably agree, as the leader of our country that when he speaks he should be exceedingly careful in what he says because people look up to him and believe him. So he shouldn’t go off spouting nonsense because people will take him at his word, and make inferences. I don’t remember, was this before or after the Invermectin debacle where people were taking it against medical advice? Anyway, anyone who can hear/read the bolded, and also not acknowledge the similarities in their age, health statuses, and lapses while speaking publicly…and then still try and win an argument about it on a technicality obviously isn’t interested in a real conversation on the subject matter. And they are way past the drinking the koolaid stage and can’t see how they’ve been manipulated and are basically part of a cult. In all truthfulness, I feel like psychological help is probably needed at this point to break away from that mindset and any attempt at sincere conversation is pretty pointless. But I do think it’s important to point out their false arguments for others reading who may not be that deeply entrenched in the cult so they can start to see reason. Yes, exactly the reason I typically scroll on by, because my time is too precious to get embroiled in a non-serious conversation. And exactly the reason why I jumped on that post. But I've said my piece. I'm done.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 10, 2024 5:04:17 GMT
The choice will be between Trump and Biden. Trump hasn't picked a VP. Based on his past experience of "picking only the best", I feel confident in voting for the current president again. I am 100% okay with a president Harris if something should happen. The report wasn't great, but let's not forget the current Donald Trump senile moments.
I feel this way too. Do I wish there had been more options for Democrats? Sure. But I also feel like Biden has a set of intelligent, thoughtful people around him that will be fine if anything happens to him. Trump won't even pick/announce a VP, and there are quite a few people he picked for the last administration that ended up going to jail, so I am not counting on him to make a good decision for the country. He'll pick a yes man (or woman). This exactly. Elise Stefanik is a likely candidate and just this week she said that if she had been Pence, she would not have certified the vote on Jan 6
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 10, 2024 5:07:45 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 10, 2024 5:09:36 GMT
Trump is making mistakes almost daily and somehow gets a free pass?
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 10, 2024 5:37:28 GMT
White House counsel's remarks today www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2024/02/09/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-spokesman-for-the-white-house-counsels-office-ian-sams-february-9-2024/I want to start by talking about a few things that I think are important for you all to hear and for the American people to hear.
The President spoke powerfully about this last night. After a long investigation that turned over every stone and explored every theory, the special counsel decided that there was no case there.
Notably, he said this would be true whether President Biden was president or a private citizen.
The special counsel’s assignment when he was appointed was to determine whether any criminal conduct occurred. He found it didn’t. That was the finding.
The case is closed.
I want to read you something from none other than Ken Starr — who most people in this room will remember is the independent counsel who investigated former President Clinton. After that investigation, here is what he said to Congress: Quote, “What I see the conclusion as being is just a determination that no criminal charges would be brought. Period. Full stop. That is it. It is all over at that stage,” end quote.
That rings true here.
The Special Counsel report goes on at length about the President’s unprecedented cooperation in this case. I want to share a few things about that because I think it’s very important.
One, when the classified documents were found, it was self-reported. The President directed his team to ensure that any classified documents were returned immediately.
Why did he do that? Because the President takes classified information seriously. He always has. He did not intentionally take classified documents. He understands documents like that belong with the government. He never, never made any attempt to obstruct.
Two, he took unprecedented action to get the special counsel what he needed.
He opened up every room in his family home and his beach house for comprehensive FBI searches — a first time in history. He sat for two days of interviews — an interview that, I’ll add — and the President talked about this last night — took place the day after the brutal attack on Israel. The President was managing an intensive international crisis. You just heard the Vice President talk about this.
He answered dozens of follow-up questions to the special counsel in writing.
Three, he didn’t exert executive privilege over any contents of the report. He was transparent. He had nothing to hide. There was a long, intensive, and, in many ways, yes, excessive investigation.
But for context, you should all remind — remember, in the case of former Vice President Mike Pence — who had a very, very similar incident occur right after President Biden — the case was closed within a few months. It was a brief, one-page letter to Mike Pence.
But in this case, there was a 15-month investigation. The Special Counsel interviewed 150 witnesses. He sought and obtained 7 million pages of documents, down to emails about moving trucks during the transition in 2016 and 2017. He spent more than three and a half million taxpayer dollars exploring every possible theory that he could.
And what was the result? He reached the inevitable conclusion based on the facts and the evidence that there was no case here.
And this is important to think about in context of how this report is being viewed and, by many of you, being covered. This is the first special counsel investigation ever that hasn’t indicted anyone. Every theory was explored. But the facts and the evidence disputed them. The decision was that there was no case to be made.
In that reality, we also need to talk about the environment that we are in. For the past few years, Republicans in Congress and elsewhere have been attacking prosecutors who aren’t doing what Republicans want politically. They have made up claims of a two-tiered system of justice between Republicans and Democrats. They have denigrated the rule of law for political purposes.
That reality creates a ton of pressure. And in that pressurized political environment, when the inevitable conclusion is that the facts and the evidence don’t support any charges, you’re left to wonder why this report spends time making gratuitous and inappropriate criticisms of the President.
Over the past 24 hours, we’ve actually seen legal experts and former prosecutors come out and give their analysis. Former Attorney General Eric Holder said the report, quote, “contains way too many gratuitous remarks and is flatly inconsistent with longstanding DOJ traditions.”
The former Acting FBI Director said he had overseen many cases like this, and, quote, “You have — you have to have explicit evidence of willful retention of those documents, and that is just not present in this case.”
The former FBI General Counsel, who I’ll add is als- — was also lead prosecutor in the Special Counsel Mueller investigation, said, it was, quote, “exactly what you’re not supposed to do, which is putting your thumb on the scale that could have political repercussions.”
That’s the assessment of seasoned professional law enforcement officials and prosecutors with deep experience at the Department of Justice.
Unfortunately, the gratuitous remarks that the former Attorney General talked about have naturally caught headlines and all of your attention. They’re wrong, and they’re inaccurate. And they obscure a very simple truth that I want to repeat one last time, since I know it’s is hard to wade through 400 full pages.
One, the report lays out example after example of how the President did not willfully take classified documents. The report lays out how the President did not share classified documents with anyone. The report lays out how the President did not knowingly share classified information with anyone.
On page 2, which I know you all read, the report argues the President willfully retained materials. But buried way later, on page 215, the report says, and I quote, “there is in fact a shortage of evidence on these points.” Two hundred pages later.
Put simply, this case is closed because the facts and the evidence don’t support the theories here. The gratuitous comments that respected experts saying is out of line are inappropriate. And they shouldn’t distract from the fact that the case is closed, and the facts and evidence show that they reached the right conclusion.
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