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Post by morecowbell on Feb 9, 2024 4:00:16 GMT
The special counsel investigating Biden’s handling of classified material said:
Mr Biden's memory also appeared to have significant limitations.... In his interview with our office, Mr. Biden's memory was worse. He did not remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview when his term ended ("if it was 2013 - when did I stop being Vice President?"), and forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began ("in 2009, am I still Vice President?"). He did not remember, even within several years, when his son Beau died. And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan debate that was once so important to him. Among other things, he mistakenly said he "had a real difference" of opinion with General Karl Eikenberry, when, in fact, Eikenberry was an ally whom Mr. Biden cited approvingly in his Thanksgiving memo to President Obama.
This calls for it's own thread.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 9, 2024 4:01:13 GMT
In a case where the government must prove that Mr. Biden knew he had possession of the classified Afghanistan documents after the vice presidency and chose to keep those documents, knowing he was violating the law, we expect that at trial, his attorneys would emphasize these limitations in his recall.
The report said a jury would find Biden "a well meaning, elderly man with a poor memory" That it would be "difficult to convince a jury that they should convict him --by then a former president well into his eighties-- of a serious felony that requires a mental state of willfullness."
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Post by arielsmom on Feb 9, 2024 13:47:42 GMT
All positions should have an age cap. We know there are declines after age 75.
It is challenging to remember dates. In my life, I rewind to "before covid" or since.
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 9, 2024 14:20:17 GMT
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Post by 950nancy on Feb 9, 2024 16:15:24 GMT
I'd still take 81 over 91.
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 9, 2024 20:48:20 GMT
I would be more concerned if President Biden forgot he had a son that died or that he was ever VP.
People forget dates for things all the time. But they remember the important stuff like the person or the event.
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 9, 2024 20:56:17 GMT
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 9, 2024 21:13:47 GMT
I would be more concerned if President Biden forgot he had a son that died or that he was ever VP. People forget dates for things all the time. But they remember the important stuff like the person or the event. "I dont remember the date of that meeting." or "I remember it was either (this specific year or that specific year, but I don’t remember exactly which one it was that we started this policy (or whatever). " Is VASTLY different than: " He did not remember when he was vice president" "He did not remember, EVEN WITHIN SEVERAL YEARS, when his son Beau died."
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Post by onelasttime on Feb 9, 2024 21:19:46 GMT
I would be more concerned if President Biden forgot he had a son that died or that he was ever VP. People forget dates for things all the time. But they remember the important stuff like the person or the event. "I dont remember the date of that meeting." or "I remember it was either (this specific year or that specific year, but I don’t remember exactly which one it was that we started this policy (or whatever). " Is VASTLY different than: " He did not remember when he was vice president" "He did not remember, EVEN WITHIN SEVERAL YEARS, when his son Beau died."No they are not. And just because you use large/capital letters and bold them does not make it so. That is the equivalent to a toddler stamping their feet in a tantrum.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 9, 2024 21:22:57 GMT
I’d be hard pressed to tell you the year my daughter broke her arm. She was three or four. I clearly remember the day, but the year didn’t stick in my memory. Every time I update my resume, I have to look up the dates I worked at which organizations. I can’t even tell you without looking the year I got my degrees. I think those who dislike Biden will make much of this report, while continuing to downplay Mitch McConnell glitching on live tv and Trump suggesting bleach injections as a treatment for covid.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 9, 2024 21:45:32 GMT
The choice will be between Trump and Biden. Trump hasn't picked a VP. Based on his past experience of "picking only the best", I feel confident in voting for the current president again. I am 100% okay with a president Harris if something should happen. The report wasn't great, but let's not forget the current Donald Trump senile moments.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 21:46:34 GMT
Thank you for posting. I think it's also appropriate to include the White House response to the report and some information on Hur's background. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/08/statement-from-president-joe-biden-5/The Special Counsel released today its findings about its look into my handling of classified documents. I was pleased to see they reached the conclusion I believed all along they would reach – that there would be no charges brought in this case and the matter is now closed. This was an exhaustive investigation going back more than 40 years, even into the 1970s when I was a young Senator. I cooperated completely, threw up no roadblocks, and sought no delays. In fact, I was so determined to give the Special Counsel what they needed that I went forward with five hours of in-person interviews over two days on October 8th and 9th of last year, even though Israel had just been attacked on October 7th and I was in the middle of handling an international crisis. I just believed that’s what I owed the American people so they could know no charges would be brought and the matter closed. Over my career in public service, I have always worked to protect America’s security. I take these issues seriously and no one has ever questioned that.
Hur is a Republican, he clerked for conservative William Rehnquist, worked for Trump's deputy attorney general and was appointed by Trump to lead Maryland US attorney's office. Hardly impartial. Also a lawyer and in no way qualified to talk about Biden's mental capabilities. Way outside the scope of the investigation and a completely subjective observation that never should have been included. www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/01/12/special-counsel-robert-hur-biden-classified-documents/Hur is a registered Republican, according to Maryland voter records. In 2022, he contributed $500 to the unsuccessful Senate GOP primary bid of former Vermont U.S. attorney Christina Nolan, and in 2008, he donated $201 to the presidential campaign of John McCain, the late Arizona senator, records show.
Hur’s previous stints with the Justice Department included jobs at the agency’s headquarters as well as years as a prosecutor in Maryland. He worked as the principal associate deputy attorney general, serving as the top aide to Rod J. Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general under President Donald Trump. Before that, he had also been special assistant to Christopher A. Wray, who was leading the Justice Department’s criminal division at the time and went on to become the FBI director.
Then in 2017, Trump tapped him to lead the Maryland U.S. attorney’s office, one of the busiest in the country and the place where Hur had spent seven years as an assistant U.S. attorney.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 21:47:26 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 9, 2024 21:48:48 GMT
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Post by Merge on Feb 9, 2024 21:49:17 GMT
Better just senile than senile and fascist.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 9, 2024 21:49:34 GMT
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 9, 2024 21:52:17 GMT
And I'll end with four more.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 21:55:42 GMT
A reminder that recently Donald Trump:
- Confused a photo of his rape victim for his ex-wife during a deposition - Confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi 4 times in a row - Said Jeb Bush sent our troops to the Middle East - Thought he ran against and is currently running against Barack Obama - Said President Biden started World War II - Said that Viktor Orban is the leader of Turkey - Said you need voter ID to buy bread - Said windmills are causing whales to wash up on shore - Confused North Korea and China - Implied Dallas is in another country - Had to be reminded of where he was during a speech in Sioux City - Claimed Hungary borders Russia
And that’s before you get to, you know, all the fascism, fraud, and sexual abuse.
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Post by refugeepea on Feb 9, 2024 21:59:58 GMT
Also, much more is at stake if Trump wins. He has not been shy about telling the truth. It will be for retribution. He will weaponize the government against his enemies.
The same people who fund the Heritage Foundation are the same people who fund Moms for Liberty, School Choice, PragerU, and quite a few more institutions/foundations/whatever with racist and Fascist ties. They also funded the January 6th insurrection.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 22:05:43 GMT
Hur's comments were inappropriate, gratuitous, out of line, unprofessional and a cheap political shot. Also, eerily similar to James Comey in 2016.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 22:12:50 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 22:16:15 GMT
Jasmine Crockett @jasmineforus
Finally, let’s address this memory ish… I was just with the President a few hours ago… HIS memory is fine. He remembers that the world is whack without Roe. He remembers what Democracy is and won’t stand for Autocracy. He also remembers that even in a booming economy, people are still hurting and there is more work to do! And finally, he remembers his first wife and his current 🤷🏾♀️.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 22:21:03 GMT
And this is probably the best response of all to questions about Biden's memory
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Post by mom on Feb 9, 2024 22:23:58 GMT
I dont think either one of the candidates is a good candidate for President.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 22:46:31 GMT
Biden is not an ideal choice. And Trump is a terrible choice for the Republican Party. (At this point, the only reason I care about the Republican Party is the need for a functioning party in our 2 party system.)
Regrettably, President Biden and Trump are the candidates that we have. We have a choice between decency and democracy vs. hate, retribution and authoritarianism. A man with integrity, honor and empathy vs a narcissistic man only looking to line his own pockets and minimize his legal problems. Biden supports abortion rights and gun safety. Trump supports the NRA and appointed 3 justices that led to undoing Roe v Wade. Biden is trying to create safe, legal pathways for migrants and Trump calls them vermin and accuses them of being rapists, murderers, drug smugglers who are poisoning the blood of our country. Trump plans a massive effort to round up undocumented people, deport them or detain them in sprawling camps. One candidate is trying to make the government work for everyday Americans, the other is trying to dismantle the government and pass tax cuts for billionaires. Easy choice.
Also this
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Post by morecowbell on Feb 9, 2024 23:00:39 GMT
I’d be hard pressed to tell you the year my daughter broke her arm. She was three or four. I clearly remember the day, but the year didn’t stick in my memory. You can narrow it down to 3 or 4 years old. Biden couldn't narrow it down to "even within several years" of when his son DIED. Not the same as being the vice president of the United States. 2 four year periods. Not the same at all. Recent election years are common knowledge at this point. (especially to politicians) ex. 2016, 2020, 2024 We are in an election year. Does he know that? Does he know what year it is? Your argument seems to allow that he does. So, then it's not hard to go back in 4 year increments. Knowing what years or even time frames for your own self being the vice president is VASTLY different from trying to remember random years of your lifetime of employment history. I did not downplay that. I said it was time for him to go. That is not true. It has been debunked, even by left leaning sources. It has been debunked here. Repeatedly. That is nothing but propaganda.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 23:03:45 GMT
Even Republicans agree Hur was out of line with his comments. And the more significant part of the report, that Biden was exonerated, is getting lost in all of the talk abut President Biden's memory. Hur probably planned this and did it intentionally, knowing that the memory comments would overshadow the news that there was no wrongdoing and will be no prosecution.
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 9, 2024 23:08:39 GMT
Bottom line: there are two men running for President who were being investigated for having Confidential Documents where they weren't supposed to be: 1 - exonerated and 2 - indicted for his refusal to return them and possibly selling them to the highest bidder, among other things.
I'm going with the guy who's not selling the United States of America out to the highest bidder.
ETA:
Perhaps the "yOu OnLY UsEd P@rT 0F tHe CLiP" crowd should've also included the full report in the first place. Not to mention, the President (the one who was exonerated) declined to redact any of it. Could the same be said for the guy still being investigated?
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Post by lisae on Feb 9, 2024 23:09:36 GMT
Is Biden too old to be running again for President? Yes. (and I have said this all along).
Is Trump and the people he picks to help with his possible next administration a far greater danger to our democracy/economy/reputation in the world than Biden and his administration? Yes.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 9, 2024 23:17:39 GMT
One day, President Biden is the head of a crime family, a criminal mastermind engaged in international bribery and extortion. He rigged or stole the 2020 and election, he's interfering in the 2024 election and he's weaponizing the Justice Department. He also faked a global pandemic to help his re-election. The White House faked an entire set and used a body double when President Biden received his covid vaccine. The next day the narrative flips to Biden is suffering a mental decline.
The reality is that President Biden has a busy schedule, especially compared to Trump's last month when he had "many phone calls and many meetings" and played golf while plotting an insurrection.
Biden outmaneuvered the Republicans on the spot during the last State of the Union. And he potentially outmaneuvered them on the border bill. He called their bluff, agreed to their demands and the House Republicans made themselves look incompetent.
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