Biden’s fitness for a second term

Maybe consider how many of your sources may be lying to you, and you don’t bother to check.

My side? Balanced mainstream media? You seem to think that because you get your news from right-wing rag sites that those who disagree with you are getting theirs from the Palmer Report. That is not the case.

Do you really think anyone here needed you to remind them that Biden is old? Mainstream media just wasn’t mentioning it?

Consider who it is that is telling you that mainstream media is wrong. The same people who lied to you about Biden’s proclamation. Who told you, falsely, that crime is down because Democratic cities just aren’t reporting it? Who told you, falsely, that undocumented immigrants are more likely to commit violent crimes than other people?

The entirety of what passes for conservative thought these days (not actual conservative thought) is based on lies and prejudice.

Oh look, the MSM covered this. You were saying?

wapo.st/49qTdGu

The transfer of power that day was uninterrupted. The only people who got anywhere close to the proceedings simply shouted (not death threats) and were removed. At no point did the dais have to be cleared or people have to be rushed off to a secure location. These things are not the same.

Funny, he’s certainly embraced the word bloodbath in several contexts of late. It seems he knew what he meant and it’s closer to our interpretation than yours.

Regardless, mainstream media did indeed report that the meaning of the word in that speech was unclear based on context. But they’ve also reported his continuing use of the word in regard to the border and other things. Has your media reported that?

Did any of your media report that the best evidence the government seemed to have against anti-Trump protestors in 2017 was video from discredited Project Veritas? That’s why almost all were acquitted. There was no reliable evidence.

ETA: when listening to Trump’s rambling, we also have to consider the context of the other times he’s predicted, threatened, or encouraged violence if he doesn’t get his way.

Here’s just one:

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/30/politics/donald-trump-civil-war-impeachment

Relative to the right, we are.

The vast majority of domestic terrorists are from the right.

nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/what-nij-research-tells-us-about-domestic-terrorism

As they should. I don't even have a problem with it all being looking into now after Jan. 6. Clearly it's been looked into. There are people sitting in jail after being sentenced, right?

I guess I am confused by what you think are inconsistencies and what you think is being sold to the public? I mean, I sat glued to my television watching it all unfold in real time that day. As did countless other people. Even if you only watched the whitewashed version on Fox News, surely you have seen at the very least the photos posted on this very thread. So what is inconsistent?? There are were armed people who broke into the capitol building, climbed the outer walls and broke down fences. Ran through the halls with their weapons searching for people to kill. There were hundreds of injuries, death. Shit smeared around. Windows broken. What is inconsistent about any of that?

See, that's the thing with many of these billionaires--it's never enough. MORE tax breaks (the US already has among the lowest in the world). Having more than the neighbors isn't enough--the "lesser-thans" (middle class) must be trampled and enslaved. By the time he's figured out that he's not top tier in Project 2025, it'll be too late--and he'll have asked for it to be brought on, himself.

From the Washington Post….


”Trump says Liz Cheney deleted evidence of Jan. 6 troops. There isn’t any.”

Analysis by Glenn Kessler

1/3/2024

“Why did American Disaster Liz Cheney … ILLEGALLY DELETE & DESTROY most of the evidence, and related items, from the January 6th Committee of Political Thugs and Misfits. THIS ACT OF EXTREME SABOTAGE MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR MY LAWYERS TO PROPERLY PREPARE FOR, AND PRESENT, A PROPER DEFENSE OF THEIR CLIENT, ME. All of the information on Crazy Nancy Pelosi turning down 10,000 soldiers that I offered to to [sic] guard the Capitol Building, and beyond, is gone.”

Former president Donald Trump, in a social media post, Jan. 1

There’s a recurring pattern to Trump’s spreading of false information. First, he repeats a false claim endlessly, no matter how often it is debunked. Then, he elevates it every so often with a dusting of new information, usually a falsehood derived from a modicum of fact.

This New Year’s post on Trump’s Truth Social platform is a good example of the tactic.

Regular readers know we’ve shown, time and again, that Trump and his allies have simply invented the claim that he requested 10,000 troops before the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, twisting an offhand comment into a supposed order to the Pentagon. A Colorado judge recently considered testimony on this point and dismissed a Trump aide’s account as “incredible.”

Now, Trump has seized on House GOP claims that some records are missing from the archives of the House select committee that investigated Jan. 6, including Trump’s actions. The Democratic chair who headed the committee denies anything was lost; instead, he says some sensitive materials were withheld from the House archive to protect witnesses.

But here’s the kicker: The special counsel who is prosecuting Trump for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election — although not for the Capitol insurrection itself — says the withheld materials have already been provided to Trump as part of discovery in the case.

Let’s take a tour through Trump’s morass of misinformation, in which he falsely accuses former congresswoman Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), vice chair of the committee, of destroying documents.

10,000 soldiers’

In 2021, we explored this claim twice and debunked it, each time awarding Four Pinocchios. Then, in late 2022, the Jan. 6 committee released its report and dozens of transcribed interviews that provided new details on the meetings in which Trump claims he requested troops at the Capitol.

That report underscored how Trump has little basis to make this claim, saying that he brought up the issue on at least three occasions but in such vague and obtuse ways that no senior official regarded his words as an order.

Trump, as usual, in his most recent post yet again claims that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) rejected his request for troops. But the evidence shows Trump did not issue any formal request — so there was nothing for Pelosi to heed. The committee report said it found “no evidence” to support the claim that he ordered 10,000 troops.

Moreover, the committee said that when he referenced so many troops, it was not because he wanted to protect the Capitol. He “floated the idea of having 10,000 National Guardsmen deployed to protect him and his supporters from any supposed threats by left-wing counter protesters,” the report said.

In November, Denver District Judge Sarah B. Wallace evaluated the 10,000-troops claim when she considered arguments that Trump should be removed from the Colorado ballot because he inspired an insurrection. She concluded that Trump engaged in an insurrection through incitement but said a president was not covered by the 14th Amendment and so Trump could remain on the ballot — a ruling that was celebrated by the Trump campaign at the time.

In her ruling, Wallace rejected testimony about Trump’s supposed troop order from a fervent Trump supporter, Kash Patel, who was chief of staff to the acting secretary of defense on Jan. 6.

The Court finds that Mr. Patel was not a credible witness,” Wallace wrote. “His testimony regarding Trump authorizing 10,000-20,000 National Guardsmen is not only illogical (because Trump only had authority over about 2,000 National Guardsmen) but completely devoid of any evidence in the record.”

In a footnote, she elaborated: “Trump, as commander of the D.C. National Guard, only had direct authority over around 2,000 Guardsmen. To mobilize 10,000-20,000 Guardsmen, he would have had to contact the Governors of other States and they would have had to then give orders, or he would have had to federalize the Guardsmen from those States. In either case, there would have been significant official action taken. No record of such action was produced at the Hearing.”

(The Colorado Supreme Court in December removed Trump from the ballot, saying he was covered by the 14th Amendment. Trump this week plans to appeal the ruling.)

Illegally delete & destroy most of the evidence’

Trump is seizing on House GOP claims that the committee archive is missing some records. Not only is that claim rejected by the chair of the Jan. 6 committee, Rep. Bennie G. Thompson (D-Miss.), but not even Republicans have claimed “most” of the documents are missing. Instead, we are talking about videos and some sensitive materials — and there is no indication any of these materials concerned the alleged troop order.

First, the committee did not include raw videos as part of the permanent records, but instead provided official transcripts of the video interviews.
“Based on guidance from House authorities, the Select Committee determined that the written transcripts provided by nonpartisan, professional official reporters, which the witnesses and Select Committee staff had the opportunity to review for errata, were the official, permanent records of transcribed interviews,” Thompson wrote in a July letter to Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.), who has raised questions about the completeness of the committee archive. In other words, the text of any video interview is still available for review.

Thompson also said that some materials gathered by the committee contained “law enforcement sensitive operational details and private, personal information that, if released, could endanger the safety of witnesses.” That material was sent to the White House and the Department of Homeland Security for archival purposes because the Jan. 6 committee dissolved before a full review of the sensitivity of this material was completed, Thompson wrote.

However, according to special counsel Jack Smith, who is prosecuting Trump, those sensitive materials from the White House and the Secret Service were provided to Trump months ago as part of pretrial discovery.

When Trump claimed in a filing that the materials were missing, the special counsel countered that they were already in his possession. “Prior to filing the present motion, the defendant did not seek additional information or clarification regarding the Government’s production of these materials, nor did he ask whether the production included the sensitive, non-public Select Committee interview transcripts that he now seeks — which it did,” Smith said in an October filing.

Judge Tanya Chutkan in November denied Trump’s request to subpoena members of the Jan. 6 select committee in an effort to find the allegedly missing materials.

Cheney, in a tweet Tuesday, dismissed Trump’s claims, telling the former president “you and your lawyers have had the J6 cmttee materials (linked below) plus the grand jury info & much more for months. Lying about the evidence in all caps won’t change the facts. A public trial will show it all.”
A spokesman for Trump and a spokesman for Loudermilk did not respond to requests for comment.

The Pinocchio Test

Despite this fact check, we are resigned to the fact that we’ll spend the next 10 months listening to Trump falsely claiming he offered 10,000 troops — and that members of the committee like Cheney destroyed evidence that would exonerate him. But be forewarned — neither claim is true, no matter how often Trump says it is.

Four Pinocchios

 

OMG you lost me where you said “trump is not the one lying”.  That is all he does is lie lie lie and then lies some more.  And to quote Fox News?  They’re almost as big of a liar that trump is.

The simple fact ie that because of all the lies trump, Republican members of Congress, Fox News, & Newsmax tells on a daily basis they have a major creditability problem.  

Now you are going to huff and puff and scream “the other side does it to”.   To a degree yes, but the truth is that on their worst day of being less than honest they don’t come anywhere near the lies and deliberate spreading of misinformation trump and company do on a daily basis.  And that’s a fact.