used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 13, 2024 4:35:42 GMT
So my daughter’s university new low is a fraternity injecting women with a hypodermic needle at parties (the same needle for all victims) to drug them, instead of spiking drinks. Nothing in the news yet but it’s all over campus and the parents Facebook groups and geez how does anyone even combat this?
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garcia5050
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Post by garcia5050 on Feb 13, 2024 6:14:57 GMT
Thats horrible. What school is this? I’m sure the news will eventually trickle nationwide, but it may take a bit of time.
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Post by compeateropeator on Feb 13, 2024 12:27:43 GMT
Horrible. Hopefully they will shutdown whatever Frats are found to be doing this and prosecute those members involved. It so sucks that kids just want to go to college and enjoy the normal college ‘things’ and events but instead have to be extremely vigilant and watchful about everything.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Feb 13, 2024 13:25:34 GMT
Don't go to frat parties.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 13, 2024 13:37:20 GMT
Don't go to frat parties. This is 100% my first reaction. I wouldn't be putting myself in the situation. Granted they need to be caught and prosecuted.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 13:49:10 GMT
One hopes that not only will the perpetrators be prosecuted, but that this chapter of whatever fraternity will be shut down immediately. That needs to be a zero tolerance issue.
I remain grateful that neither of my girls was interested in Greek life or fraternity parties. Even in my college days, frat parties were often unsafe for women. I was groped/assaulted at one, and more importantly - almost every girl I knew had the same experience at some point.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 13, 2024 13:52:08 GMT
It's "all over campus" screams gossip to me. (Not saying it isnt happening, but Im not seeing a lot of facts in the post)
She should call the University police and find out if there is a basis in fact or if it is rumor.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 13, 2024 17:05:10 GMT
Don't go to frat parties. Yes, girls, parties and social events on campus are not for you. You need to stay in your dorm or the library where it won’t be your fault if boys will be boys.
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Post by Laurie on Feb 13, 2024 17:44:13 GMT
Don't go to frat parties. Yes, girls, parties and social events on campus are not for you. You need to stay in your dorm or the library where it won’t be your fault if boys will be boys. Just stay in the kitchen to make sandwiches for your man like a good little woman.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 17:47:53 GMT
Don't go to frat parties. Yes, girls, parties and social events on campus are not for you. You need to stay in your dorm or the library where it won’t be your fault if boys will be boys. She didn’t say don’t go to parties.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 13, 2024 17:49:41 GMT
So not going to known predatory parties which have a bad reputation is somehow saying just stay in your dorm room. It is absolutely the fault of the men in the frats, but why risk being a victim?
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Post by huskergal on Feb 13, 2024 17:54:52 GMT
I also didn't say it was a girl's fault if something happened to her at a frat party. These are not policed parties. These are not parties with adults in attendance. Not all frats are bad. Know your frats. If rumors like this are going around campus, you are taking a risk going to a party. No, it isn't your fault if something happens, but something might happen. You have to ask yourself if the risk is worth the reward.
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Post by Laurie on Feb 13, 2024 17:56:33 GMT
So not going to known predatory parties which have a bad reputation is somehow saying just stay in your dorm room. It is absolutely the fault of the men in the frats, but why risk being a victim? I understand that. However, to be fair not all frat parties are predatory though either. At any rate sounds like a good time to remind your dd to be aware of her surroundings. My dd is in college and I am sure she is tired of me telling her that when she goes out she always need to be cognizant of what is going on around her. ETA your post above wasn't there when I posted.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 13, 2024 18:09:14 GMT
So not going to known predatory parties which have a bad reputation is somehow saying just stay in your dorm room. It is absolutely the fault of the men in the frats, but why risk being a victim? I understand that. However, to be fair not all frat parties are predatory though either. At any rate sounds like a good time to remind your dd to be aware of her surroundings. My dd is in college and I am sure she is tired of me telling her that when she goes out she always need to be cognizant of what is going on around her. ETA your post above wasn't there when I posted. You have to know your frats. There is a reason some have a reputation. Believe the reputation. Some of the frats are perfectly safe.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2024 19:01:15 GMT
I understand that. However, to be fair not all frat parties are predatory though either. At any rate sounds like a good time to remind your dd to be aware of her surroundings. My dd is in college and I am sure she is tired of me telling her that when she goes out she always need to be cognizant of what is going on around her. ETA your post above wasn't there when I posted. You have to know your frats. There is a reason some have a reputation. Believe the reputation. Some of the frats are perfectly safe. Sure, but this smacks of the "not all men" trope. Not all men are predators, but since we can't know at a glance which ones are and which ones aren't, we teach our girls never to walk alone at night, to carry pepper spray or mace, never run with both earbuds in, etc. Not all fraternities collectively prey on their female guests, but since we can't know which ones might or might not, we teach our girls either to avoid those kinds of parties or to exercise extreme caution when attending (i.e., not engage in regular party behavior like drinking).
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Post by Zee on Feb 13, 2024 19:25:07 GMT
First: this sounds like those stories about sex trafficking at Walmart in the dressing room. Like, maybe based on an actual incident, but wildly overblown.
It's an unfortunate fact of biology that we will always be potential victims, not fair sure but using common sense isn't a bad thing. Add alcohol to raging testosterone and you don't always get a good result. I've never been to a frat party, never was real fond of drunk frat boys in bars either.
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Feb 21, 2024 20:09:58 GMT
It's "all over campus" screams gossip to me. (Not saying it isnt happening, but Im not seeing a lot of facts in the post) She should call the University police and find out if there is a basis in fact or if it is rumor. The information was put out by the university.
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Post by 3boysnme on Feb 21, 2024 20:29:17 GMT
Don't go to frat parties. Yes, girls, parties and social events on campus are not for you. You need to stay in your dorm or the library where it won’t be your fault if boys will be boys. "boys will be boys"?!? I hope you are using sarcasm.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 22, 2024 2:26:50 GMT
Yes, girls, parties and social events on campus are not for you. You need to stay in your dorm or the library where it won’t be your fault if boys will be boys. "boys will be boys"?!? I hope you are using sarcasm. Yes, definitely sarcasm. I find the “don’t go to frat parties” advice to girls so offensive. Like rape just is a natural expected occurence at a frat party and the rapist can’t be held accountable. And it’s so ingrained in society that we say it with a shrug and don’t even see how unhelpful and dangerous it is. I think we all need to do better at considering how our words are interpreted. Myself included, because I thought the sarcasm was clear and I’m sorry it wasn’t.
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Post by seaexplore on Feb 22, 2024 5:56:44 GMT
Don't go to frat parties. Man, I had some great times at frat parties and hanging out at the house when I was at San Jose State! The guys all looked out for me and made sure I was safe. ❤️. Would I want my DD going to frat parties with guys she didn’t know? Heck no! Make friends with them and they’ll be like your big brother.
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Post by 3boysnme on Feb 22, 2024 12:01:50 GMT
"boys will be boys"?!? I hope you are using sarcasm. Yes, definitely sarcasm. I find the “don’t go to frat parties” advice to girls so offensive. Like rape just is a natural expected occurence at a frat party and the rapist can’t be held accountable. And it’s so ingrained in society that we say it with a shrug and don’t even see how unhelpful and dangerous it is. I think we all need to do better at considering how our words are interpreted. Myself included, because I thought the sarcasm was clear and I’m sorry it wasn’t. Okay, that's good. I totally agree with you. I thought it was sarcasm but wasn't sure. It's so hard to imagine that in this day and age, the male species would still think doing something like injecting drugs into women is okay. Or slipping it in their drinks. Or saying "well, if you didn't go to that party, it wouldn't have happened" bs.
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Post by busy on Feb 22, 2024 13:37:52 GMT
It's "all over campus" screams gossip to me. (Not saying it isnt happening, but Im not seeing a lot of facts in the post) She should call the University police and find out if there is a basis in fact or if it is rumor. The information was put out by the university. What university? This sounds like urban myth.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 22, 2024 14:48:42 GMT
Don't go to frat parties. Man, I had some great times at frat parties and hanging out at the house when I was at San Jose State! The guys all looked out for me and made sure I was safe. ❤️. Would I want my DD going to frat parties with guys she didn’t know? Heck no! Make friends with them and they’ll be like your big brother. So if you knew that a frat had a bad rap, you would still go to a party at that frat house? I think you can be discerning about where you choose to go. I didn't say don't go to any frat parties. If a frat has been reported for drugging girls, I wouldn't go to the party. I wouldn't blame the girls if something happened. I would blame the frat. But I don't knowingly put myself into situations where I might be in danger.
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Post by smasonnc on Feb 22, 2024 15:11:06 GMT
Not all men are predators, but since we can't know at a glance which ones are and which ones aren't, we teach our girls never to walk alone at night, to carry pepper spray or mace, never run with both earbuds in, etc. This perfectly sums up how guys don't understand that we have to worry about things they don't even think about. I went to frat parties all the time and never worried about anything more than a hangover from grain alcohol in the punch. Now, my girls toss out a drink if they even turn their backs on it in a public place. The predatory behavior is mental. Sadly, the fact that there are guys like that is the world we live in. I hate blaming the victim or excusing the perpetrator, but I also don't want to suffer the consequences of ignoring the warnings. If a frat has been reported for drugging girls, I wouldn't go to the party. If a frat has been reported, they shouldn't still be on campus. That's something that gets you shut down and your charter revoked. If not, the university should be held liable. DS's fraternity got banned from having parties for a semester because they made pledges act as designated drivers and somebody's family sued because it was "harsh." Poor baby was tired.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 22, 2024 15:30:12 GMT
Man, I had some great times at frat parties and hanging out at the house when I was at San Jose State! The guys all looked out for me and made sure I was safe. ❤️. Would I want my DD going to frat parties with guys she didn’t know? Heck no! Make friends with them and they’ll be like your big brother. So if you knew that a frat had a bad rap, you would still go to a party at that frat house? I think you can be discerning about where you choose to go. I didn't say don't go to any frat parties. If a frat has been reported for drugging girls, I wouldn't go to the party. I wouldn't blame the girls if something happened. I would blame the frat. But I don't knowingly put myself into situations where I might be in danger. I think a lot of 18-19 year old kids can be pretty naive and don’t really consider how dangerous certain situations can be, or they think that the bad stuff will never happen to them. As a result they can do some pretty stupid things, especially if they are trying to find ways to fit in or to be with the in crowd. Back in the day when I was young and dumb, on occasion I did some pretty foolish things even though I considered myself to be fairly intelligent and risk averse. I was just really lucky that nothing bad happened as a result. Some of my older siblings did some even dumber things that did have a bad outcome, which acted as something of a warning to me to not do THOSE things, LOL.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 22, 2024 16:28:16 GMT
Not all men are predators, but since we can't know at a glance which ones are and which ones aren't, we teach our girls never to walk alone at night, to carry pepper spray or mace, never run with both earbuds in, etc. This perfectly sums up how guys don't understand that we have to worry about things they don't even think about. I went to frat parties all the time and never worried about anything more than a hangover from grain alcohol in the punch. Now, my girls toss out a drink if they even turn their backs on it in a public place. The predatory behavior is mental. Sadly, the fact that there are guys like that is the world we live in. I hate blaming the victim or excusing the perpetrator, but I also don't want to suffer the consequences of ignoring the warnings. If a frat has been reported for drugging girls, I wouldn't go to the party. If a frat has been reported, they shouldn't still be on campus. That's something that gets you shut down and your charter revoked. If not, the university should be held liable. DS's fraternity got banned from having parties for a semester because they made pledges act as designated drivers and somebody's family sued because it was "harsh." Poor baby was tired. This is one of the reasons I hate frats and sororities. The mentality of treating pledges like crap, getting off on making them do things and then if they say they are too tired to drive (which is legit, we have a mountain of evidence proving how dangerous fatigued driving is) grown adults mock them as poor babies.
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Post by nightnurse on Feb 22, 2024 16:31:03 GMT
I think what angers me is that the public discourse, even from women, always centers around what women should do to avoid dangerous situations and mitigate risk. We don’t even bother to talk about what men should do. I was just reading about a campus rape where the school Suggested women not be out after dark. The correct response would’ve been to say men can’t be out after dark alone until the rapist is caught. That way, the campus police can just stop and question any man, since being out after dark is just asking for it. Feel offended that men would all be judged and limited for the actions of one person? Why don’t you feel offended when women are limited and restricted?
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Post by huskergal on Feb 22, 2024 16:31:53 GMT
So if you knew that a frat had a bad rap, you would still go to a party at that frat house? I think you can be discerning about where you choose to go. I didn't say don't go to any frat parties. If a frat has been reported for drugging girls, I wouldn't go to the party. I wouldn't blame the girls if something happened. I would blame the frat. But I don't knowingly put myself into situations where I might be in danger. I think a lot of 18-19 year old kids can be pretty naive and don’t really consider how dangerous certain situations can be, or they think that the bad stuff will never happen to them. As a result they can do some pretty stupid things, especially if they are trying to find ways to fit in or to be with the in crowd. Back in the day when I was young and dumb, on occasion I did some pretty foolish things even though I considered myself to be fairly intelligent and risk averse. I was just really lucky that nothing bad happened as a result. Some of my older siblings did some even dumber things that did have a bad outcome, which acted as something of a warning to me to not do THOSE things, LOL. I know kids make stupid decisions. So do adults. I have made my fair share. However, if my daughter was on a campus where the university issued a warning about a frat drugging women, I would tell my daughter not to go to the party.
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Post by ~summer~ on Feb 22, 2024 16:41:56 GMT
The university said that a fraternity is using a single hypodermic needle and drugging girls? I really find that hard to believe.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 22, 2024 18:37:42 GMT
I think a lot of 18-19 year old kids can be pretty naive and don’t really consider how dangerous certain situations can be, or they think that the bad stuff will never happen to them. As a result they can do some pretty stupid things, especially if they are trying to find ways to fit in or to be with the in crowd. Back in the day when I was young and dumb, on occasion I did some pretty foolish things even though I considered myself to be fairly intelligent and risk averse. I was just really lucky that nothing bad happened as a result. Some of my older siblings did some even dumber things that did have a bad outcome, which acted as something of a warning to me to not do THOSE things, LOL. I know kids make stupid decisions. So do adults. I have made my fair share. However, if my daughter was on a campus where the university issued a warning about a frat drugging women, I would tell my daughter not to go to the party. I agree if it’s a known thing you can tell your kid not to do it. The thing is, there has to be a first time for those kinds of things to happen in order for a warning to be issued. Kids hear about stupid stuff like that from other kids on TikTok or discord all the time and then think it might be a cool thing to do. Just look at all the idiotic “challenges” on social media these kids get sucked into. How would you warn your kid of things that maybe haven’t happened at their school YET, especially when parents are usually the last ones to know that this stuff is going on?
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