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Post by huskergal on Feb 13, 2024 20:58:19 GMT
We need more funding for our southern border, AND the only enforcement presence there should be federal. Funding should cover the additional needed both to house and process asylum seekers and give them their hearings in a timely manner. That funding should be contingent on Greg Abbott ending the campaign stunt debacle that is Operation Lone Star.  I am also strongly in favor of a worker visa permit of some type for those pouring across the border. And while we are at it, can we please have some term limits on the position of Governor of Texas??? I have been saying this for 20 years. We need the workers. Why can't we have a process of vetting those that want to work and giving them a work VISA. When there VISA runs out. They go home and reapply. Employees are responsible for the hiring of the employees and tracking cards. The asylum seekers are a different problem. I don't know what the answer to that one is. |
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Post by carhoch on Feb 13, 2024 21:08:13 GMT
The last dictator we didn’t try to stop in Europe was Hitler and we all know how that went so I believe that we must support Ukraine at all costs.
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Post by sideways on Feb 13, 2024 21:43:51 GMT
We should be giving Ukraine anything they need. Much of it will be spent here in the US anyways, as was already pointed out. Putin has no intention of stopping with Ukraine if he’s allowed, so they should be given anything they need to defend themselves.
Israel shouldn’t be given jack shit. I’m so pissed that they’re being allowed to murder innocent people. Spare me any “But, Hamas…” comments. Any money that is being given to that region should be in the form of aid to Palestinian civilians. If anyone wants to call me anti-Semitic because I find what Israel is doing is abhorrent, that’s fine. It wouldn’t be the first time.
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Post by purplebee on Feb 13, 2024 21:51:16 GMT
Agree that the aid issues and the border issues need to be completely separate.
We need to continue to help Ukraine. If Putin wins, it will be the beginning of a situation that the US does not want to be a part of. As the mom of a 28 year old son, the thought of this is terrifying to me.
We need to continue our efforts to effect a two-state solution with Israel and Palestine. Funding for Israel should hinge on stopping the slaughter of innocent Palestine citizens. Hamas is not Palestine.
TFG cannot be allowed to be elected again. If he is, all of the above will be a moot point. He will give Putin whatever he wants, and will give Netanyahu free rein.
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Post by katiekaty on Feb 13, 2024 22:32:55 GMT
These three are separate issues and all have different issues and needs and cannot be lumped. There are also many issues on our own home front that needs to be-we have hungry, starving impoverished families and many others that including elderly, ex-military that have poor housing, health and many other needs. Judicious respect for our own plus the support of outside international needs need to be a balanced issue. It sickens me to see how much these bills propose to spend!
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Post by dewryce on Feb 13, 2024 23:32:24 GMT
This poll is flawed just as badly as morecowbell’s Why combine Ukraine and Israel into one poll? How is anyone supposed to answer how they feel about two topics when you can only choose one answer? Did you read my responses about my intentions with the poll vs how it ended up? Do you have any helpful ideas on how to change the poll now because I don’t see how it can be edited. Not to mention, yours isn’t intentionally designed to get the responses you want, you are obviously sincere in your desire for a real discussion on the issues. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 14, 2024 0:51:00 GMT
. "The whole idea of Israel as a Jewish nation state was based on the idea of ethnic cleansing and that hasn’t gone well."
When I read those ignorant and hateful words I was disgusted. I have nothing more to say. I'm so upset that I just can't believe that was written. I'm not going to argue or offer my opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian crisis, but I will always call out an anti-semetic comment when I see one.
But what else can you call it? With what is going on currently, and what went on in the 1940s and 1960s, is just that. Israel is taking out Palestinians and Palestine. What they have done goes way beyond war ethic codes. When the UN and countries and others are calling for a cease fire because there is no turning back, the situation is very grave. No side is right here but Israel is doing way more harm to Palestine. Israel is trying to justify their actions. There is no justifying what they have done. There is nothing anti-semetic about it. It's calling Israel out for their horrific war crimes. Palestinians have no home. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 14, 2024 0:57:16 GMT
I want to add that my anger isn't directed as Israelis. It is directed at Netanyahu and the government and the leaders who are doing what they are to Palestinians.
So there is no anti-semetic words. There is zero discrimination. I can have anger towards Israel and what they are doing without being prejudice to Jews.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 14, 2024 1:00:55 GMT
. "The whole idea of Israel as a Jewish nation state was based on the idea of ethnic cleansing and that hasn’t gone well."
When I read those ignorant and hateful words I was disgusted. I have nothing more to say. I'm so upset that I just can't believe that was written. I'm not going to argue or offer my opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian crisis, but I will always call out an anti-semetic comment when I see one.
But what else can you call it? With what is going on currently, and what went on in the 1940s and 1960s, is just that. Israel is taking out Palestinians and Palestine. What they have done goes way beyond war ethic codes. When the UN and countries and others are calling for a cease fire because there is no turning back, the situation is very grave. No side is right here but Israel is doing way more harm to Palestine. Israel is trying to justify their actions. There is no justifying what they have done. There is nothing anti-semetic about it. It's calling Israel out for their horrific war crimes. Palestinians have no home. Exactly. Scrapmaven may have deleted that comment because I don't see it now. The idea of a Jewish nation sounds like a good plan, except that there were people already living there, and at the time Jewish people were not the majority. That had to change somehow. That happened in part by pushing the others out and not allowing them to come back to their homes (and subsequently changing laws to give Jews more rights, etc) and bringing more Jews in. I consider that to be ethnic cleansing but am curious what others would call it. ETA that that statement also does not mean that I hate all Jews, or that I support Hamas. I can understand why Palestinians would want to fight back, but Hamas has not been helpful at all for their cause or for Palestinians as a whole. Palestinians have not been innocent in getting things to where they are today. I strongly believe that both sides are going to have to recognize and acknowledge where things have gone wrong--and their roles in it--in order to move forwards. Right now, though, the situation in Gaza is dire and It needs to stop. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 14, 2024 1:14:44 GMT
But what else can you call it? With what is going on currently, and what went on in the 1940s and 1960s, is just that. Israel is taking out Palestinians and Palestine. What they have done goes way beyond war ethic codes. When the UN and countries and others are calling for a cease fire because there is no turning back, the situation is very grave. No side is right here but Israel is doing way more harm to Palestine. Israel is trying to justify their actions. There is no justifying what they have done. There is nothing anti-semetic about it. It's calling Israel out for their horrific war crimes. Palestinians have no home. Exactly. Scrapmaven may have deleted that comment because I don't see it now. The idea of a Jewish nation sounds like a good plan, except that there were people already living there, and at the time Jewish people were not the majority. That had to change somehow. That happened in part by pushing the others out and not allowing them to come back to their homes (and subsequently changing laws to give Jews more rights, etc) and bringing more Jews in. I consider that to be ethnic cleansing but am curious what others would call it. Yup because it is. When America pushed Native Americans to settle in small areas of land that we "gave" them...ethic cleansing. The Holocaust was ethnic cleansing. Armenian Genocide was ethnic cleansing |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 14, 2024 4:41:24 GMT
One thing that I read (I think in a comment from Adam kinzinger) is that the money for Ukraine isn’t just cash. It is putting a dollar amount on the weapons and other items that we are giving them. Most of which are older and being phased out, and that are/were made in the US. So the $$ that we see are a little misleading. I also think that there is a benefit to us in helping Ukraine. Someone on tv said recently that it was the best defense strategy we have had in a long time, and I agree with that. This is why I am not against sending more money. We need to upgrade our planes and such snd this way they aren’t going to waste. At the same time it shows Putin that we support them. I think it’s even more important after TFG making comments about encouraging Putin to do whatever the hell he wants just days after he mentioned Poland 30 times in his interview with Carson and blamed them for WWII. Nothing like blaming the victim but then again he did the same thing with Ukraine. I’m not sure what to think about Israel at this point. We have to stand strong though snd not just abandon our allies. China, Russia and north Korea are paying attention to how we respond after TFGs comments. I just keep hoping that it will change people’s minds but I think it resonates with his base even though it’s so ironic that he says they need to pay their bills when it’s known that he doesn’t and hasn’t for some time and that the Republican Party is paying his bills and even his family’s legal bills. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 14, 2024 4:46:53 GMT
I am also strongly in favor of a worker visa permit of some type for those pouring across the border. And while we are at it, can we please have some term limits on the position of Governor of Texas??? I have been saying this for 20 years. We need the workers. Why can't we have a process of vetting those that want to work and giving them a work VISA. When there VISA runs out. They go home and reapply. Employees are responsible for the hiring of the employees and tracking cards. The asylum seekers are a different problem. I don't know what the answer to that one is. Exactly we need the workers snd more than the number that there are permits for now. The number needs to be adjusted. We also need to figure out a way to monitor them like you said. I think this issue is really important but totally separate from Ukraine or Israel. There has to be a way to make this work. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 14, 2024 4:54:52 GMT
Agree that the aid issues and the border issues need to be completely separate. We need to continue to help Ukraine. If Putin wins, it will be the beginning of a situation that the US does not want to be a part of. As the mom of a 28 year old son, the thought of this is terrifying to me. We need to continue our efforts to effect a two-state solution with Israel and Palestine. Funding for Israel should hinge on stopping the slaughter of innocent Palestine citizens. Hamas is not Palestine. TFG cannot be allowed to be elected again. If he is, all of the above will be a moot point. He will give Putin whatever he wants, and will give Netanyahu free rein. I agree. I have a 20 year old and the idea of a war in Europe terrifies me for that and for so many reasons. Putin needs to be stopped. He may say he doesn’t want to expand but he blamed Poland for the war because they didn’t go along with Hitler so it was their fault vs Hitler who invaded. He has basically said the same thing about Ukraine when he is the one who invaded. I don’t understand how people don’t Understand that he is threatening our allies and also that we promised Ukraine when they gave up their nukes years ago that we would protect them. Our NATO allies are all concerned about TFGs comments snd what would happen if we abandoned them. Our enemies are listening and watching how we respond. Sticking together is a larger deterrent to war and safer for us all. |
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Post by lucyg on Feb 14, 2024 19:09:38 GMT
One thing that I read (I think in a comment from Adam kinzinger) is that the money for Ukraine isn’t just cash. It is putting a dollar amount on the weapons and other items that we are giving them. Most of which are older and being phased out, and that are/were made in the US. So the $$ that we see are a little misleading. I also think that there is a benefit to us in helping Ukraine. Someone on tv said recently that it was the best defense strategy we have had in a long time, and I agree with that. As for Israel, I think they should have been held accountable for the way they treated Palestinians decades ago. The whole idea of Israel as a Jewish nation state was based on the idea of ethnic cleansing and that hasn’t gone well. At times I want us to just cut them off completely, but I know that gives the other countries in the region license to attack. But with the current Israeli government and seeing Israelis blocking food and other aid from going to Gaza, I am getting more pissed. I’m not happy that we are supporting them and getting the blame for their actions. Netanyahu is going to take Israel down and the US with him when Trump wins due to biden’s support for Israel. I would be ok with giving them what they need for the iron dome but nothing more. Wait, you think that Israel was “based on the idea of ethnic cleansing”?! WTF have you been reading? Whatever it is, it isn’t any kind of accurate history of the region. I’m kind of shocked others haven’t been calling you out for this crap. And this is just, what, a few weeks? a few months? since you came to the peas saying you knew nothing about the region. Many of us put a lot of time into responding to your questions. Clearly you have done some picking and choosing about whom you’re going to listen to. Anyone who would believe and publicly state such a thing is indeed an anti-Semite. |
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Post by hop2 on Feb 14, 2024 19:57:41 GMT
It is imperative to help Ukraine because Putin does not intend to stop there. He reiterated this in his Tucker interview.
He’s after all Eastern Europe he won’t stop unless he is stopped and Ukraine is doing a decent job if it without manpower from us.
Israel is a trickier question. While yes, Israel has the right to defend themselves, I’m not on board with a genocide of the Palestinian people. I’m not going to dispute Israel’s right to exist or defend itself but I don’t think defending themselves needs to involve mass slaughter & starvation of innocent people.
At least if that’s how they want to defend themselves maybe they can do it without my tax dollars.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 14, 2024 22:12:06 GMT
One thing that I read (I think in a comment from Adam kinzinger) is that the money for Ukraine isn’t just cash. It is putting a dollar amount on the weapons and other items that we are giving them. Most of which are older and being phased out, and that are/were made in the US. So the $$ that we see are a little misleading. I also think that there is a benefit to us in helping Ukraine. Someone on tv said recently that it was the best defense strategy we have had in a long time, and I agree with that. As for Israel, I think they should have been held accountable for the way they treated Palestinians decades ago. The whole idea of Israel as a Jewish nation state was based on the idea of ethnic cleansing and that hasn’t gone well. At times I want us to just cut them off completely, but I know that gives the other countries in the region license to attack. But with the current Israeli government and seeing Israelis blocking food and other aid from going to Gaza, I am getting more pissed. I’m not happy that we are supporting them and getting the blame for their actions. Netanyahu is going to take Israel down and the US with him when Trump wins due to biden’s support for Israel. I would be ok with giving them what they need for the iron dome but nothing more. Wait, you think that Israel was “based on the idea of ethnic cleansing”?! WTF have you been reading? Whatever it is, it isn’t any kind of accurate history of the region. I’m kind of shocked others haven’t been calling you out for this crap. And this is just, what, a few weeks? a few months? since you came to the peas saying you knew nothing about the region. Many of us put a lot of time into responding to your questions. Clearly you have done some picking and choosing about whom you’re going to listen to. Anyone who would believe and publicly state such a thing is indeed an anti-Semite. I did word that poorly. The idea of Israel was not based on ethnic cleansing, but ethnic cleansing was a result. As I said, Jewish people were in the minority and needed to have a majority. What is your understanding of how that happened? Have you listened to Palestinians and their stories (now and in the past) regarding how their land was taken, the laws that were created to further Jewish settlements and buying/taking of land, how the IDF makes life difficult for Palestinians in the West Bank and limits the goods that can go into Gaza (before and after October 7)? There are reasons that Israel is said to be an apartheid state by aid groups. On another thread another Jewish pea said that she was struggling with the idea of what Israel is doing vs being told throughout her life that Israel can do no wrong. You can call me an anti-Zionist and I am fine with that. But I refuse the idea that saying anything critical about Israel automatically makes someone anti-Semitic. The world has been pussyfooting around Israel instead of being frank about some of the things they are doing for far too long and that is part of the reason we are where we are today. That needs to stop. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 14, 2024 23:45:08 GMT
You can’t edit a poll after it’s been created. Your only option is to delete the post or end it and start a new one.
When we lived in Belgium, DH worked for NATO. He spent most of COVID planning for the invasion. I’d rather not get into the specifics of his job, but he was part of the senior leadership. Putin is a very, very real threat to the security of Europe and thus the entire world. If Putin sets his sights on a NATO nation, it’s all over and we will be in a global war. We have to do everything we can to avoid this.
We can say that we should be spending money on our border, on our social issues, on the US. And I agree we should be taking care of those in need. But the reality is that if Putin marches across Europe, none of that is going to matter. We are all in jeopardy.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 15, 2024 0:09:48 GMT
I’m sorry and you probably don’t realize this but this whole post reads like it was written by someone who got their entire education about Israel and Palestine on TikTok. If you are really interested in understanding, get off the internet and go to the library. I don’t intend for that to read as mean or snarky but genuinely - historians, diplomats and political scientists have devoted entire careers to explaining this conflict to people. Please do not become someone of who thinks you “get it” because of what you saw on social media. Wait, you think that Israel was “based on the idea of ethnic cleansing”?! WTF have you been reading? Whatever it is, it isn’t any kind of accurate history of the region. I’m kind of shocked others haven’t been calling you out for this crap. And this is just, what, a few weeks? a few months? since you came to the peas saying you knew nothing about the region. Many of us put a lot of time into responding to your questions. Clearly you have done some picking and choosing about whom you’re going to listen to. Anyone who would believe and publicly state such a thing is indeed an anti-Semite. I did word that poorly. The idea of Israel was not based on ethnic cleansing, but ethnic cleansing was a result. As I said, Jewish people were in the minority and needed to have a majority. What is your understanding of how that happened? Have you listened to Palestinians and their stories (now and in the past) regarding how their land was taken, the laws that were created to further Jewish settlements and buying/taking of land, how the IDF makes life difficult for Palestinians in the West Bank and limits the goods that can go into Gaza (before and after October 7)? There are reasons that Israel is said to be an apartheid state by aid groups. On another thread another Jewish pea said that she was struggling with the idea of what Israel is doing vs being told throughout her life that Israel can do no wrong. You can call me an anti-Zionist and I am fine with that. But I refuse the idea that saying anything critical about Israel automatically makes someone anti-Semitic. The world has been pussyfooting around Israel instead of being frank about some of the things they are doing for far too long and that is part of the reason we are where we are today. That needs to stop. |
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Post by elaine on Feb 15, 2024 1:48:13 GMT
One thing that I read (I think in a comment from Adam kinzinger) is that the money for Ukraine isn’t just cash. It is putting a dollar amount on the weapons and other items that we are giving them. Most of which are older and being phased out, and that are/were made in the US. So the $$ that we see are a little misleading. I also think that there is a benefit to us in helping Ukraine. Someone on tv said recently that it was the best defense strategy we have had in a long time, and I agree with that. As for Israel, I think they should have been held accountable for the way they treated Palestinians decades ago. The whole idea of Israel as a Jewish nation state was based on the idea of ethnic cleansing and that hasn’t gone well. At times I want us to just cut them off completely, but I know that gives the other countries in the region license to attack. But with the current Israeli government and seeing Israelis blocking food and other aid from going to Gaza, I am getting more pissed. I’m not happy that we are supporting them and getting the blame for their actions. Netanyahu is going to take Israel down and the US with him when Trump wins due to biden’s support for Israel. I would be ok with giving them what they need for the iron dome but nothing more. Wait, you think that Israel was “based on the idea of ethnic cleansing”?! WTF have you been reading? Whatever it is, it isn’t any kind of accurate history of the region. I’m kind of shocked others haven’t been calling you out for this crap. And this is just, what, a few weeks? a few months? since you came to the peas saying you knew nothing about the region. Many of us put a lot of time into responding to your questions. Clearly you have done some picking and choosing about whom you’re going to listen to. Anyone who would believe and publicly state such a thing is indeed an anti-Semite. Thank you, Lucy. I keep wanting to come back to the pod and every time I check in, I come across another shit-I-listened-to-a-podcast post by Kristin and I leave again. Coming from a person who posts multiple “help-woe-is-me me” threads when her son has a broken arm, or her dog pees on the floor, or she can’t sleep for the anxiety that owning a pet causes her. Everything little piddling inconvenience that the rest of the world lives through and copes with send her to a variety of sources for help with, no matter how trivial the concern. I can’t imagine her life if her family members were in a war zone or served in any military - even the USA’s. No regard for people who have family members in Israel, including serving in the army. Fuck that. iamkristinl16 , you have become a raving anti-Semite, don’t kid yourself, grasping for any straw that you think you understand and then rushing back here for support. I’m back out again for a long time. |
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Post by lucyg on Feb 15, 2024 2:45:47 GMT
Wait, you think that Israel was “based on the idea of ethnic cleansing”?! WTF have you been reading? Whatever it is, it isn’t any kind of accurate history of the region. I’m kind of shocked others haven’t been calling you out for this crap. And this is just, what, a few weeks? a few months? since you came to the peas saying you knew nothing about the region. Many of us put a lot of time into responding to your questions. Clearly you have done some picking and choosing about whom you’re going to listen to. Anyone who would believe and publicly state such a thing is indeed an anti-Semite. I did word that poorly. The idea of Israel was not based on ethnic cleansing, but ethnic cleansing was a result. As I said, Jewish people were in the minority and needed to have a majority. What is your understanding of how that happened? Have you listened to Palestinians and their stories (now and in the past) regarding how their land was taken, the laws that were created to further Jewish settlements and buying/taking of land, how the IDF makes life difficult for Palestinians in the West Bank and limits the goods that can go into Gaza (before and after October 7)? There are reasons that Israel is said to be an apartheid state by aid groups. On another thread another Jewish pea said that she was struggling with the idea of what Israel is doing vs being told throughout her life that Israel can do no wrong. You can call me an anti-Zionist and I am fine with that. But I refuse the idea that saying anything critical about Israel automatically makes someone anti-Semitic. The world has been pussyfooting around Israel instead of being frank about some of the things they are doing for far too long and that is part of the reason we are where we are today. That needs to stop. Thanks, I guess. Your idea of ethnic cleansing differs from mine. Hamas and similar organizations, which have consistently been supported by many everyday Palestinians and egged on by other Middle Eastern countries, have been trying since 1948 to erase Israel and every Jew who lives there. That they haven’t succeeded is a credit to Israel itself and to its support from the U.S. and other Western nations. Are you aware there was a ceasefire in place when Hamas invaded Israel on October 7th? Are you aware there’s always been a ceasefire in place, every time they’ve attacked? And yet, it’s still always Israel’s fault. Netanyahu sucks and there are certainly things wrong with how Israel deals with its Palestinian neighbors. (Please note, its Palestinian *citizens* are completely equal members of Israeli society.) It’s clear that nothing any of us went to pains to explain to you last time has made the slightest impression on your belief system. But yeah. Nothing you’ve added has made enough sense to change my opinion. Thanks anyway. ETA I take back what said about you ignoring what people told you about the founding of Israel. I went and found the thread I was thinking of, and it was about a different aspect of Judaism. I guess what I’m thinking of was written somewhere else or on a different thread. Now I need to figure out where it is. Anyway, my apologies for accusing you of something specific that didn’t happen. |
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Post by MichyM on Feb 15, 2024 17:51:21 GMT
Wait, you think that Israel was “based on the idea of ethnic cleansing”?! WTF have you been reading? Whatever it is, it isn’t any kind of accurate history of the region. I’m kind of shocked others haven’t been calling you out for this crap. And this is just, what, a few weeks? a few months? since you came to the peas saying you knew nothing about the region. Many of us put a lot of time into responding to your questions. Clearly you have done some picking and choosing about whom you’re going to listen to. Anyone who would believe and publicly state such a thing is indeed an anti-Semite. I did word that poorly. The idea of Israel was not based on ethnic cleansing, but ethnic cleansing was a result. As I said, Jewish people were in the minority and needed to have a majority. What is your understanding of how that happened? Have you listened to Palestinians and their stories (now and in the past) regarding how their land was taken, the laws that were created to further Jewish settlements and buying/taking of land, how the IDF makes life difficult for Palestinians in the West Bank and limits the goods that can go into Gaza (before and after October 7)? There are reasons that Israel is said to be an apartheid state by aid groups. On another thread another Jewish pea said that she was struggling with the idea of what Israel is doing vs being told throughout her life that Israel can do no wrong. You can call me an anti-Zionist and I am fine with that. But I refuse the idea that saying anything critical about Israel automatically makes someone anti-Semitic. The world has been pussyfooting around Israel instead of being frank about some of the things they are doing for far too long and that is part of the reason we are where we are today. That needs to stop. That was me. The only thing I want to add to this conversation is that gentiles don’t get to decide if what they are saying is anti semitic or not. Just like a white person who spews racist remarks does not get to decide that they are not racist. Or a man who behaves poorly around women doesn’t get to decide if he’s a misogynist or not. And on and on… Please think about that. A general “you.” |
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Post by MichyM on Feb 15, 2024 17:52:13 GMT
Also, Elaine, it’s nice to know that you’re still around-ish ❤️
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Post by pilcas on Feb 15, 2024 18:52:00 GMT
So what you are saying MichyM is that any criticism of the State of Israel is anti Semitic? I am truly curious. I disagree with the concept that only Jews can determine what is and is not anti Semitic and I have seen that term thrown at people way too often and in very unjust ways. No country nor its leaders should ever be excempt of criticism just because.
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Post by tincin on Feb 15, 2024 19:00:46 GMT
I think that we need to spend more on the southern border. I am not against money to Ukraine and Israel but not in the quantities in the proposed bill. It had like 60 B to Ukraine, 17 to Israel and only 20 for our southern border Talk to the GOP they voted it down. |
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Post by tracylynn on Feb 15, 2024 19:01:05 GMT
I think we need to continue sending aid to Ukraine. Putin cannot win. One of these days he'll run out of people to send I think. I mean, he's sending inmates at this point for crying out loud.
I think we need to step away from Israel until they stop committing war crimes. I get Hamas is a huge part of the problem, but the innocent Palestinians are the ones who are being hurt in the process.
I think a bigger problem in this Country (yes, bigger than the Southern Border) is homelessness (and along with that, mental health).
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 15, 2024 19:49:49 GMT
There are a lot of big feelings about this topic and it's good to have an open discussion about it. But if we start attacking people for asking questions and not understanding and then getting things wrong, no one will ever post anything other than what to make for dinner and their medical woes (guilty of both myself!) If someone is questioning the party line, we want them to ask questions, to seek knowledge. And if they get it wrong, there are lots here to give factual answers as to why it's wrong.
Yes, we all should be better educated on this topic. When those more knowledgeable than myself post on these threads, I always appreciate it because I've learned something from someone that I respect. Thank you to those who take the time to educate us.
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Post by pantsonfire on Feb 15, 2024 19:57:38 GMT
So what you are saying MichyM is that any criticism of the State of Israel is anti Semitic? I am truly curious. I disagree with the concept that only Jews can determine what is and is not anti Semitic and I have seen that term thrown at people way too often and in very unjust ways. No country nor its leaders should ever be excempt of criticism just because. This. And to add to what you said, calling one anti-semetic should not be used to force the end of a discussion. It shouldn't be thrown out because (general) you don't agree with another person's perspective. |
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Post by MichyM on Feb 16, 2024 1:08:50 GMT
So what you are saying MichyM is that any criticism of the State of Israel is anti Semitic? I am truly curious. I disagree with the concept that only Jews can determine what is and is not anti Semitic and I have seen that term thrown at people way too often and in very unjust ways. No country nor its leaders should ever be excempt of criticism just because. Please reread my post. That is not what I said. You’re implying intent that is not there. Criticize the Israeli government all you’d like. |
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Post by sideways on Feb 16, 2024 1:36:36 GMT
That was me. The only thing I want to add to this conversation is that gentiles don’t get to decide if what they are saying is anti semitic or not. Just like a white person who spews racist remarks does not get to decide that they are not racist. Or a man who behaves poorly around women doesn’t get to decide if he’s a misogynist or not. And on and on… Please think about that. A general “you.” So, a non-Jew can’t criticize the state of Israel for killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, many of them children, in their retaliation against Hamas, which are a handful of people in comparison the entire population of Palestinians, otherwise we’re anti-Semitic? A non-Jew can’t criticize Israel for going way fucking overboard? In the age we’re in, I’ve seen videos of dying and dead kids. If saying the government that did that to them is anti-Semitic, then I guess I am. I’d feel the same way if Jews were the ones being indiscriminately bombed over the last four months. I’d criticize whomever is doing it to them. Just like I found the attack perpetrated by Hamas on Jews abhorrent, the attacks on Palestinians by Israel is abhorrent. I’m just fucking pro-humanity. FFS. |
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 16, 2024 20:47:19 GMT
I deleted my post, because I realize I typed when I was really upset. I don't argue with antisemitism, because it's a waste of my good energy. I'm just as upset today. When I see a friend leave due to antisemitism I can't stay silent. Op, if you would just openly tell us that you hate Jess I'd respect your honesty. You are not a nice person and I have no use for anything you say. elaine, don't let ignorance and hatred drive you away. Stand strong with those of who are fighting against hate. I'm Jewish. I'm not the devil. |
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I am also strongly in favor of a worker visa permit of some type for those pouring across the border. And while we are at it, can we please have some term limits on the position of Governor of Texas???
