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Post by librarylady on Mar 7, 2024 2:06:32 GMT
It will go into effect soon.
Here is an article about it affecting our health.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 7, 2024 2:21:32 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense.
Be prepared for all the peas telling you that it doesn’t affect them so it isn’t a big deal and implying that the rest of us who hate it are just being ridiculous.
ETA. I understand that staying in DST takes federal government to approve. I also understand that staying in ST requires no such approval. Each state can decide to stay in ST by themselves.
I understand California has voted to be in permanent DST which requires federal approval.
Oregon was voting to stay in Standard Time *if* Oregon and Washington would as well. They would not need federal approval to do that.
All I was saying is that if Oregon had decided to stay in ST I bet Ca and WA would have done the same.
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Post by KiwiJo on Mar 7, 2024 2:44:12 GMT
This seems like a good place to ask something I’ve wondered about - what is the difference between Daylight Savings time adjustment, and crossing a time zone?
If you are adversely affected by DST adjustments, do you find the same problems when you cross into a different time zone?
If you do, is it enough to stop you crossing into a different time zone, or do you put up with it anyway? Do you have strategies when crossing into a different time zone, and do they also work with DST?
If you don’t notice any problems in a different time zone, but you do with DST, what do you think is the difference between them?
It’s not something I can easily judge for myself because our nearest different time zone is 3 hours difference (Australia) and it also takes 3 hours to get there; and so I would love to hear the experiences of people who drive across a border to a one hour different time.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 7, 2024 2:52:38 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense. Be prepared for all the peas telling you that it doesn’t affect them so it isn’t a big deal and implying that the rest of us who hate it are just being ridiculous. The state passed staying in daylight savings time years ago. It is up to the federal government now to give in. So stupid that we have to keep changing time for something no longer needed. Switching in spring doesn't affect me and I look forward to the longer sunshine. While the fall change doesn't affect my mood, it is just annoying to be so dark earlier. I would prefer to stay in daylight savings and be done with the switch 2 times a year.
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Post by Zee on Mar 7, 2024 2:59:59 GMT
This seems like a good place to ask something I’ve wondered about - what is the difference between Daylight Savings time adjustment, and crossing a time zone? If you are adversely affected by DST adjustments, do you find the same problems when you cross into a different time zone? If you do, is it enough to stop you crossing into a different time zone, or do you put up with it anyway? Do you have strategies when crossing into a different time zone, and do they also work with DST? If you don’t notice any problems in a different time zone, but you do with DST, what do you think is the difference between them? It’s not something I can easily judge for myself because our nearest different time zone is 3 hours difference (Australia) and it also takes 3 hours to get there; and so I would love to hear the experiences of people who drive across a border to a one hour different time. Nothing is the difference and every year I wonder if there are people simply incapable of traveling across the country because one hour is just too much to bear. What I do wish, though, is that we didn't have to do it twice a year because I particularly hate driving into the sun (my eyes! And it's dangerous) and you have to go through that FOUR times a year instead of two, as it would be if we never switched. I would prefer it just get left at DST so it stays light later. It gives me more time to get a walk in before having to leave for work.
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Post by pantsonfire on Mar 7, 2024 3:02:52 GMT
This seems like a good place to ask something I’ve wondered about - what is the difference between Daylight Savings time adjustment, and crossing a time zone? If you are adversely affected by DST adjustments, do you find the same problems when you cross into a different time zone? If you do, is it enough to stop you crossing into a different time zone, or do you put up with it anyway? Do you have strategies when crossing into a different time zone, and do they also work with DST? If you don’t notice any problems in a different time zone, but you do with DST, what do you think is the difference between them? It’s not something I can easily judge for myself because our nearest different time zone is 3 hours difference (Australia) and it also takes 3 hours to get there; and so I would love to hear the experiences of people who drive across a border to a one hour different time. Has nothing to do with crossing a time zone. If I were to stay within the continental US, there is at most a 3 hour time different. So I would either loose or gain 3 hours of time. That is easy to adjust to. We either wake up with the sun and have shorter sunny days (standard time) OR we wake up with it darker and have longer sun time during the day. I prefer the sunny mornings with standard time but love the longer sunny days with daylight savings. Neither affect my mood. In my area of the US, the sun sets about 8pm in the summer. The biggest issue many people have with standard time is it being darker earlier. The sun sets about 4-5 hours earlier than with daylight savings time. So when people get home it is dark out. And so people are less active. It isnt as safe to be out in the dark.
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Post by katlady on Mar 7, 2024 3:06:26 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense. It needs Federal approval to be in Daylight Savings time permanently. The State can pass a bill, but it still needs Washington's approval. As for staying in Standard time permanently, I thought that did not need Federal approval. Arizona and Hawaii do not change their clocks. If you don’t notice any problems in a different time zone, but you do with DST, what do you think is the difference between them? So here is what I think is the difference for me. Moving the clock is a "permanent" thing. Your body clock does not get to revert back to its "normal" time for 4-6 months. After a time change, I usually have to go to work on Monday and sit at a desk for 8 hours, staring at a computer. I get very tired the first week after we move the clocks ahead. I can't take a nap or do something outdoorsy in the middle of the day. People say go to bed an hour earlier, but tell my body clock that. It doesn't always follow the man-made clock. And I am a night owl that likes to stay up late. And then the sun rises an hour later, so the 6AM sun won't be hitting my face to wake me up until 7AM. So, yeah, I feel it when we move the clocks up even if it's only an hour. When I go across time zones, it is usually for travel and fun, so time doesn't matter as much. I am constantly doing something and don't feel tired until I go to bed. Going across time zones does not stop me from traveling. I always have a harder time when I come home readjusting because I am no longer having "fun" and doing lots of things. Every body is different and reacts to time changed differently.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 7, 2024 4:09:58 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense. Be prepared for all the peas telling you that it doesn’t affect them so it isn’t a big deal and implying that the rest of us who hate it are just being ridiculous. The state passed staying in daylight savings time years ago. It is up to the federal government now to give in. So stupid that we have to keep changing time for something no longer needed. Switching in spring doesn't affect me and I look forward to the longer sunshine. While the fall change doesn't affect my mood, it is just annoying to be so dark earlier. I would prefer to stay in daylight savings and be done with the switch 2 times a year. If they vote to stay in standard time there is no need for the federal government to agree. That is what Oregon was voting on. I don’t care what time is chosen, but obviously standard time is the best option to stop this nonsense. Arizona and Alaska don’t switch be they just stay on standard time.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Mar 7, 2024 4:13:59 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense. Be prepared for all the peas telling you that it doesn’t affect them so it isn’t a big deal and implying that the rest of us who hate it are just being ridiculous. California voted to stay on daylight savings not standard time. I think we should stay on standard time. It’s a pain in the neck and takes several weeks to get used to.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 7, 2024 4:18:25 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense. It needs Federal approval to be in Daylight Savings time permanently. The State can pass a bill, but it still needs Washington's approval. As for staying in Standard time permanently, I thought that did not need Federal approval. Arizona and Hawaii do not change their clocks. If you don’t notice any problems in a different time zone, but you do with DST, what do you think is the difference between them? So here is what I think is the difference for me. Moving the clock is a "permanent" thing. Your body clock does not get to revert back to its "normal" time for 4-6 months. After a time change, I usually have to go to work on Monday and sit at a desk for 8 hours, staring at a computer. I get very tired the first week after we move the clocks ahead. I can't take a nap or do something outdoorsy in the middle of the day. People say go to bed an hour earlier, but tell my body clock that. It doesn't always follow the man-made clock. And I am a night owl that likes to stay up late. And then the sun rises an hour later, so the 6AM sun won't be hitting my face to wake me up until 7AM. So, yeah, I feel it when we move the clocks up even if it's only an hour. When I go across time zones, it is usually for travel and fun, so time doesn't matter as much. I am constantly doing something and don't feel tired until I go to bed. Going across time zones does not stop me from traveling. I always have a harder time when I come home readjusting because I am no longer having "fun" and doing lots of things. Every body is different and reacts to time changed differently. By Washington do you mean state? They don’t need the states approval. If you mean the Senate or House, then they only need that for staying in DST. Oregon voted on staying on Standard time, but only if Washington or California agreed as well. They had quite a long time to get the two neighboring states to agree. I honestly think if one of the west coast states would just do it the other two would as well. I don’t know why California or Oregon care about each other switching, I highly doubt a lot of people commute from California to Oregon but all the articles I read said there is a lot of commuting from Oregon and Washington. Arizona doesn’t care about their neighbors. I wish California didn’t either. I think for either DST or ST there are likely 50% that prefer one or the other. I prefer ST, but would be fine with DST if we could just stop the switch.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 7, 2024 4:19:52 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense. Be prepared for all the peas telling you that it doesn’t affect them so it isn’t a big deal and implying that the rest of us who hate it are just being ridiculous. California voted to stay on daylight savings not standard time. I think we should stay on standard time. It’s a pain in the neck and takes several weeks to get used to. I understand. I am saying, I bet if Oregon stayed on standard time that California would do the same.
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Post by tracylynn on Mar 7, 2024 4:49:28 GMT
I was sad to see that Oregon lost their fight to stay in standard time. I was hoping if they had passed the bill, being contingent on Washington and California it would have gotten California on board and we could stop the nonsense. Be prepared for all the peas telling you that it doesn’t affect them so it isn’t a big deal and implying that the rest of us who hate it are just being ridiculous. ETA. I understand that staying in DST takes federal government to approve. I also understand that staying in ST requires no such approval. Each state can decide to stay in ST by themselves. I understand California has voted to be in permanent DST which requires federal approval. Oregon was voting to stay in Standard Time *if* Oregon and Washington would as well. They would not need federal approval to do that. All I was saying is that if Oregon had decided to stay in ST I bet Ca and WA would have done the same. Washington has voted to stay in DST, like California. That happened in 2019. Our Legislature has tried to push through to stay in ST, but they never have the votes. Which honestly, is fine with me. If we aren't gonna change, I'd rather stay in DST.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 7, 2024 15:18:49 GMT
This seems like a good place to ask something I’ve wondered about - what is the difference between Daylight Savings time adjustment, and crossing a time zone? If you are adversely affected by DST adjustments, do you find the same problems when you cross into a different time zone? If you do, is it enough to stop you crossing into a different time zone, or do you put up with it anyway? Do you have strategies when crossing into a different time zone, and do they also work with DST? If you don’t notice any problems in a different time zone, but you do with DST, what do you think is the difference between them? It’s not something I can easily judge for myself because our nearest different time zone is 3 hours difference (Australia) and it also takes 3 hours to get there; and so I would love to hear the experiences of people who drive across a border to a one hour different time. Crossing one or even two time zones for a week isn’t too bad, usually because it’s for a vacation where it matters less what time you go to bed or when you get up. Especially for me, because if I’m traveling I generally don’t have dogs with me and they will wake me up in the morning whether I’m ready to roll out of bed or not. If I’m in a hotel room with room darkening curtains or blinds, I can sleep as long as I want. At home, not so much. All the stupid switching does mess me up every time, sometimes for as much as two weeks in either direction, so I hate it. I wouldn’t really care too much which one was picked as long as I wouldn’t have to keep switching. Since it seems like standard time is most aligned with our natural circadian rhythms, that would probably be the best choice. I don’t really need it to be light outside until almost 10 pm in the summer.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 7, 2024 15:35:23 GMT
I live in the part of Washington that would be greatly affected by having to change time zones if Oregon sticks with standard time and Washington does not. Around 50,000 people from Washington cross the border to go to work everyday in Portland. DH doesn't because he works from home, but his actual work building is in Oregon. Half his co-workers would be on Oregon time, and half would be on Washington time, it could get very confusing... half of the year.
I wish they'd just pick one and stop changing. I LOVE the part of the year where I wake up at 4 am for no reason [sarcasm].
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Post by Tearisci on Mar 7, 2024 15:37:03 GMT
I hate the time change and hate getting up when it's dark outside. I'd rather stay on standard time as it throws my schedule and the dog's waking schedule off.
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Post by Susie_Homemaker on Mar 7, 2024 15:44:59 GMT
In general, I know that when we travel to different time zones my body will still function on the home time. It works out well for me because we live in the Eastern time zone, which is the latest time zone in the US. We gain an hour or more anytime we travel in the US. When we went to CA it was actually very nice. I could wake up at an earlier time and not feel like it was "early". I'm not a morning person, so I don't like getting up early. We'd go to bed at an earlier time than at home, but that was okay because all of our activities were during daylight hours anyway.
Traveling to different time zones doesn't bother me, I just adapt for the week or less that we're there. The DST change does effect me though. I know that I'll be more tired than usual next week. I wish we didn't do DST.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Mar 7, 2024 16:36:04 GMT
I hate the time change and hate getting up when it's dark outside. I'd rather stay on standard time as it throws my schedule and the dog's waking schedule off. This is the way I feel too. I'm in Michigan so at the very western edge of the Eastern Time Zone. Plus, north, of course. Right now, the sun is coming up around 7 am, which is a huge improvement from deep winter when it can be after 8:30. After this weekend, it will be pushed to 8 am again. I am a morning person, I would rather have daylight at 6 am to walk my neighborhood than at 8 pm. Plus in the thick of summer, it is light out here until almost 10 pm. We go to bed between 8-9 pm. I couldn't care less about having daylight at 9 pm. I want daylight to begin my day, not end it. We are already a sleep deprived society, DST makes it worse. Just go to bed, people. LOL! Wake up an hour earlier and enjoy your daylight in the morning. Hahaha... (Please before I get handslapped, I do recognize that not everyone's internal clock works the same. I am stating what is *my* preference and that is daylight in the morning.)
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Post by snow4197 on Mar 7, 2024 18:09:59 GMT
The time change has never effected me. Could be because I’ve never had good sleep patterns with not sleeping through the night. So my brain health is already messed up 🤷🏻♀️
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Post by iowgirl on Mar 7, 2024 20:17:04 GMT
For us - it just makes for a much longer work day. I would much prefer to stay on standard time. DH works until it is dark out, not what the clock says. If you are adversely affected by DST adjustments, do you find the same problems when you cross into a different time zone? Times zones were created to balance the sunrise times. It regulates day/night across the globe. I went to Florida last month, and I woke up with the sun usually, so I woke up when the sun was rising. The time difference really didn't affect me that much. The biggest issue many people have with standard time is it being darker earlier. T he sun sets about 4-5 hours earlier than with daylight savings time. So when people get home it is dark out. And so people are less active. It isnt as safe to be out in the dark. Sunset times change with the season, but it would be 1 hour difference between staying on standard time vs. daylight savings time. I think I get what you mean though? As the spring and summer days get longer, the sun is up longer. The sun would set only 1 hour earlier on the clock with standard time, not 4-5 hours. The sun sets tonight about 6:17 and next week that will be 7:25 - but that is only a difference of 8 minutes on our circadian clock. The longest day is June 20, and that sunset will be 8:59 DST... taking into account time change, that would be 7:59 standard. So the sun sets only 1 hour and 42 minutes later on June 20 than it will tonight (although - since times changes it would appear to be 2 hours and 42 minutes on a physical clock, but it's only 1:42 on our circadian clock. -- my times are reported at Central Time. Also note - sunset doesn't mean it's dark by any stretch The further north of the equator, the later true night comes.
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Post by Linda on Mar 7, 2024 21:23:05 GMT
I would prefer to stay on standard time but my biggest preference is to pick a time and stick with it.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 7, 2024 21:33:28 GMT
The time change has never effected me. Could be because I’ve never had good sleep patterns with not sleeping through the night. So my brain health is already messed up 🤷🏻♀️ This is me as well, my circadian rhythm is off, and easily changed in ways that don’t benefit me. What does affect me is more sunlight during my waking hours. Yuck. I’m much more active in the winter than I am the summer.
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Post by mellyw on Mar 7, 2024 21:47:25 GMT
The time change has never effected me. Could be because I’ve never had good sleep patterns with not sleeping through the night. So my brain health is already messed up 🤷🏻♀️ This is me as well, my circadian rhythm is off, and easily changed in ways that don’t benefit me. What does affect me is more sunlight during my waking hours. Yuck. I’m much more active in the winter than I am the summer. This is so me. I’ve been on the receiving end of many strange looks when I try to explain this, or that too many sunny days depresses me. It’s pretty much the opposite of Seasonal Effective Disorder. I learned after moving to Japan to use quality blackout curtains, cause land of the rising sun is apt there. So much daylight 🧐
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Post by littlemama on Mar 7, 2024 21:59:04 GMT
If we stayed on daylight time, it would be dark until 9am in the winter. If we stayed on standard time, we would lose those long summer nights after work in favor of it being light out at 5am, when most people are still trying to sleep.
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Post by KiwiJo on Mar 7, 2024 23:36:42 GMT
Gosh, it’s all so interesting isn’t it. The posts in this thread show perfectly how there is no way of managing the times that sunrise and sunset happens that will suit everyone. Some people would prefer DST all the time, while others would dislike that and prefer Standard Time all year, and there are others that prefer DST changes twice a year as the most practical way to try to standardise sunrise & sunset times.
I hadn’t considered the issue of dogs waking owners up an hour earlier or later depending on the DST change - that must be so annoying. Many dairy farmers here complain about it because when the cows are ready to be milked doesn’t suddenly change when the clocks do.
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Post by Tearisci on Mar 7, 2024 23:40:01 GMT
I hadn’t considered the issue of dogs waking owners up an hour earlier or later depending on the DST change My dog wakes me up 2 hours before work and I'm afraid it will be even worse with the change.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 8, 2024 0:05:26 GMT
I’ve read before that ST is better for your brain. I wish that they would just pick one; I prefer ST, but mainly just want to stop switching. I adjust quickly, but I guess that some folks have a rough time adjusting.
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Post by dewryce on Mar 8, 2024 0:40:10 GMT
This is me as well, my circadian rhythm is off, and easily changed in ways that don’t benefit me. What does affect me is more sunlight during my waking hours. Yuck. I’m much more active in the winter than I am the summer. This is so me. I’ve been on the receiving end of many strange looks when I try to explain this, or that too many sunny days depresses me. It’s pretty much the opposite of Seasonal Effective Disorder. I learned after moving to Japan to use quality blackout curtains, cause land of the rising sun is apt there. So much daylight 🧐 These are the exact words I use to describe it all the time! Every blind is our house is closed 24/7. Haven’t decided if we’re doing curtains for our bedroom, if we do they’ll be blackout. Until then? A weighted sleep mask is my savior, there is one in my suitcase at all times.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 8, 2024 2:22:34 GMT
Neuro-divergent children don't like time changes either... I probably tell this story every time the subject comes up on here.
When my oldest was in 1st or 2nd grade, we sprang forward like usual. The next day, I drove her to school but had forgotten to change the clock in my car. DD freaked out and refused to get out when I got to the front of the carpool lane, and was convinced I was trying to trick her into going to school at the wrong time... I had to park and spend 5 minutes convincing her to get out of the car...
So, the next time we messed with the clocks, I changed them before anyone woke up, including in our cars and didn't say anything. DD went to school, and came home, so proud because "everyone in my class changed their clocks yesterday but not us because we're special!"
This whole thing could be solved by springing forward half an hour instead of an hour, and then never touching the clock ever again... I think.
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Post by purplebee on Mar 8, 2024 2:23:28 GMT
My main objection to DST is returning to darkness at 6:30 am which is when I drive to work. Fortunately I have a short commute, but driving in the dark is anxiety-provoking for me and I avoid it whenever I can. I was just getting used to it being light enough to see on my am commute, now it will be dark for a month or so. I do like the lighter evenings with DST.
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Post by paulao on Mar 8, 2024 14:53:39 GMT
This is so me. I’ve been on the receiving end of many strange looks when I try to explain this, or that too many sunny days depresses me. It’s pretty much the opposite of Seasonal Effective Disorder. I learned after moving to Japan to use quality blackout curtains, cause land of the rising sun is apt there. So much daylight 🧐 These are the exact words I use to describe it all the time! Every blind is our house is closed 24/7. Haven’t decided if we’re doing curtains for our bedroom, if we do they’ll be blackout. Until then? A weighted sleep mask is my savior, there is one in my suitcase at all times. Me three. It’s called reverse seasonal affective disorder. Too much sun and heat affect those who have it. Mi’m 66 and have never enjoyed summer/longer daylight. I spend more time inside during summer than I do in winter.
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