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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 29, 2024 19:11:45 GMT
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Post by naby64 on Apr 29, 2024 19:16:01 GMT
I saw that story last week on TT. My thinking is check your damn bag before flying, before going to another country where their laws may be a bit more strict than your own. Use your head. And don't whine about it when you get caught.
ETA: that reads pretty harsh. I guess it is. He is an adult and I hope he packed his bags. Who has ammo rolling around in a bag. My brother, huge gun freak and ammo person, has his all accounted for. Most likely even cataloged.(sp) I check my bag when I go to my kids for a weekend. Nothing rolling around that I didn't put in there.
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 29, 2024 19:18:10 GMT
Oh well. Shouldn't he have been a responsible gun owner and checked his bags for any ammo?
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 29, 2024 19:20:18 GMT
You should not be allowed to own a firearm or ammo if you can't be responsible enough to keep up with your vast inventory. If you want to own a weapon, it's your responsibility to keep up with it. Throw the freaking book at him and everyone else (since there are multiple who have done this). Oh, sorry, forgot to add: thoughts and prayers.  |
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Post by Linda on Apr 29, 2024 19:22:06 GMT
I have very little sympathy for people who didn't do their due diligence (or did and chose to ignore it) about what can or can't go through customs at their destination and even less for irresponsible gun owners who don't properly secure their ammo
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Post by busy on Apr 29, 2024 19:22:53 GMT
Why the actual fuck isn't TSA catching these bullets when they are passing through US airports???
Zero sympathy. Be responsible with your potentially lethal items and you'll be fine.
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Post by katlady on Apr 29, 2024 19:25:01 GMT
You have to know the laws before you go and check your bags, especially bags you use for hunting. One of the guys is a father with young kids. He said he didn’t know the bullets were in the bag. You have young kids and you don’t know where your bullets are?
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Post by busy on Apr 29, 2024 19:27:18 GMT
white dudes: "I can't possibly be expected to keep track of all my ammunition and firearms, mistakes happen, I shouldn't have any consequences, it's no big deal"
also white dudes: "Whoa whoa whoa, woman, keep your legs closed and you won't get pregnant, but since you did, you need to be responsible and bear the consequences."
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Post by hop2 on Apr 29, 2024 19:29:00 GMT
When you travel to other countries you have to check on the laws and then make a specific effort to not break those laws. A responsible gun owner secures their weapon AND ammo. In addition, it’s not like he was caught with regular chewing gum that is illegal in some countries or something that would be a semi unusual law. IMO anyone traveling with firearms or ammo should do a lot of research before traveling and a lot of bag inspection of their bags.
I can feel sorry for the dude but, it’s on him to have both checked the laws in the Turcs & Caicos and to have checked his luggage for weapons & ammo. Period.
Maybe after he’s convicted they’ll deport him and ban him because it would be costly to keep him I don’t know.
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 29, 2024 19:35:19 GMT
Why the actual fuck isn't TSA catching these bullets when they are passing through US airports??? TSA Guidelines: Travelers may only transport ammunition and unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage. Ammunition and firearms (loaded or unloaded) are prohibited in carry-on baggage. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 29, 2024 19:40:07 GMT
Why does this keep getting marked politics?
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Post by Merge on Apr 29, 2024 19:45:53 GMT
FAFO.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 29, 2024 19:46:20 GMT
There are things I can imagine not knowing were unlawful but guns and ammo should definitely be on the “I should check on that” list. WTH?
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Post by pantsonfire on Apr 29, 2024 19:46:47 GMT
Why does this keep getting marked politics? The usual suspect is bored. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 29, 2024 19:46:52 GMT
Why the actual fuck isn't TSA catching these bullets when they are passing through US airports??? Zero sympathy. Be responsible with your potentially lethal items and you'll be fine. I wondered that as well. On one thread I was reading someone stated (multiple times) that it is legal to bring ammo onto a plane in the US. I looked it up and you can travel with ammo and guns if they are in checked bags and properly stored, but not if they are in a carry on. I was really surprised to read that. You can't bring water through a TSA checkpoint but it's ok for people to have guns and ammo in a checked bag? And the article I read about the one couple said this was a carryon bag. So why didn't TSA find it? I tend to be on the same page as those who say that the ammo should be accounted for in the first place and they broke the law so need to be accountable for that. On the other hand 12 years is a long time. I also wonder if the people who are adamant that this was a terrible mistake also felt that way about Britney Griner's situation. I have also seen some saying that they think the ammo was planted in T and C. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Apr 29, 2024 19:47:45 GMT
-First: US TSA should have caught that on the way out
-Second: 100% his fault, stupid and he should have consequences
-Finally: 12 years seems a bit steep IMO. The country gets to make those choices, but a couple of years? Sure.
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Post by katlady on Apr 29, 2024 19:51:02 GMT
These were loose bullets right? Maybe TSA didn’t know what they were and thought they were lipstick, or chapstick, or a pill container, or  |
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Post by pinklady on Apr 29, 2024 19:54:02 GMT
Same response I had for Brittney Griner. Sucks you were stupid. Our government should exude zero effort helping this man out.
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Post by busy on Apr 29, 2024 20:15:34 GMT
Why the actual fuck isn't TSA catching these bullets when they are passing through US airports??? TSA Guidelines: Travelers may only transport ammunition and unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container as checked baggage. Ammunition and firearms (loaded or unloaded) are prohibited in carry-on baggage. Ammunition rolling around loose in the bottom of bags don't meet this standard. |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 29, 2024 20:18:37 GMT
Play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
I own guns and I cannot fathom any circumstances in which a responsible gun owner would have loose ammo just rolling around in a bag and forget about it.
Is the marine or army guy who wanted sympathy for doing this same thing still locked up in Mexico or was he released?
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Post by busy on Apr 29, 2024 20:18:52 GMT
These were loose bullets right? Maybe TSA didn’t know what they were and thought they were lipstick, or chapstick, or a pill container, or I'm believe metal shows up differently on the scans than any of those other options. And I am pretty sure TSA's policy is not supposed to be "it's ok to go through if we don't know what it is." |
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Post by workingclassdog on Apr 29, 2024 20:19:34 GMT
-First: US TSA should have caught that on the way out -Second: 100% his fault, stupid and he should have consequences -Finally: 12 years seems a bit steep IMO. The country gets to make those choices, but a couple of years? Sure.  I thought the punishment was on the harsh side. I mean don't condone what he did and sounds like a mistake, but dude you have to have some sort of punishment. What if the next guy 'forgets' and kills 10 people? |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 29, 2024 20:19:39 GMT
Why the actual fuck isn't TSA catching these bullets when they are passing through US airports??? Zero sympathy. Be responsible with your potentially lethal items and you'll be fine. I wondered that as well. On one thread I was reading someone stated (multiple times) that it is legal to bring ammo onto a plane in the US. I looked it up and you can travel with ammo and guns if they are in checked bags and properly stored, but not if they are in a carry on. I was really surprised to read that. You can't bring water through a TSA checkpoint but it's ok for people to have guns and ammo in a checked bag? And the article I read about the one couple said this was a carryon bag. So why didn't TSA find it? I tend to be on the same page as those who say that the ammo should be accounted for in the first place and they broke the law so need to be accountable for that. On the other hand 12 years is a long time. I also wonder if the people who are adamant that this was a terrible mistake also felt that way about Britney Griner's situation. I have also seen some saying that they think the ammo was planted in T and C. You were surprised that people can check guns? You’ve never seen gun cases on the baggage claim or being checked in line ahead of you? How do you think people go on hunting trips? |
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Post by katlady on Apr 29, 2024 20:21:17 GMT
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Post by jenb72 on Apr 29, 2024 20:30:01 GMT
I can't remember if it mentioned if they flew in to their port location or if they drove. Obviously, if they drove, the TSA thing doesn't come into play. If they flew, then yes, TSA should have caught it. And not only that, when they didn't, the cruise line should have caught it, even for a carry-on bag, because you have to send those through a scanner, too, as you board the boat. But either way, none of that excuses this. It's not up to them to "catch" your mistake, and if they do, you most likely will not be traveling at that point anyway. Any time you are traveling it is incumbent upon you to do your due diligence and read up on the rules of the place you're traveling to, and this is especially important when going to a foreign country, even on a cruise. And you should always, always check your bags, especially if you know you use that same bag for hunting trips.  Jen |
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 29, 2024 20:37:33 GMT
Ammunition rolling around loose in the bottom of bags don't meet this standard. I agree, but they can travel with it in the US. I have also seen some saying that they think the ammo was planted in T and C. What are the chances they target them and they have the same ammo at home though? I haven't investigated the other stories except the idiot in OK. When you travel, it is your responsibility to understand the laws for where you are traveling and do your own due diligence. Clearly some dudes who aren't used to actual consequences need to be given a lesson. If the US does get involved for these chuckleheads, I hope part of the plea deal is that the dudes have to have their guns confiscated. |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 29, 2024 20:42:13 GMT
Ammunition rolling around loose in the bottom of bags don't meet this standard. I agree, but they can travel with it in the US. I have also seen some saying that they think the ammo was planted in T and C. What are the chances they target them and they have the same ammo at home though? I haven't investigated the other stories except the idiot in OK. When you travel, it is your responsibility to understand the laws for where you are traveling and do your own due diligence. Clearly some dudes who aren't used to actual consequences need to be given a lesson. If the US does get involved for these chuckleheads, I hope part of the plea deal is that the dudes have to have their guns confiscated. It is NOT allowed in carry on luggage though and TSA admits that their officers missed the bullets when the man boarded his plane in OKC. |
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Post by myshelly on Apr 29, 2024 20:42:50 GMT
I can't remember if it mentioned if they flew in to their port location or if they drove. Obviously, if they drove, the TSA thing doesn't come into play. If they flew, then yes, TSA should have caught it. And not only that, when they didn't, the cruise line should have caught it, even for a carry-on bag, because you have to send those through a scanner, too, as you board the boat. But either way, none of that excuses this. It's not up to them to "catch" your mistake, and if they do, you most likely will not be traveling at that point anyway. Any time you are traveling it is incumbent upon you to do your due diligence and read up on the rules of the place you're traveling to, and this is especially important when going to a foreign country, even on a cruise. And you should always, always check your bags, especially if you know you use that same bag for hunting trips. Jen He flew. TSA admits their officers missed the bullets when he boarded his flight in OKC. |
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on Apr 29, 2024 20:53:25 GMT
Darwin strikes again.
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Post by Rhondito on Apr 29, 2024 20:59:09 GMT
Did any of you watch the video linked in the OP? The wife says, "None of this would've happened if our TSA essentially had done everything possible and scanned all of the bags appropriately."
Um, none of this would've happened if your husband had looked through his bag before packing it.
Geez. I had been feeling a bit sorry for them, one report I saw basically said if he is kept there for even a few months they'll lose their home. But... I don't know. They seem like dumbasses who should've done their due diligence.
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I thought the punishment was on the harsh side. I mean don't condone what he did and sounds like a mistake, but dude you have to have some sort of punishment. What if the next guy 'forgets' and kills 10 people?
