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Post by Lexica on Apr 30, 2024 23:21:23 GMT
I am watching Little Fires Everywhere on Hulu and Reese Witherspoon’s character and her husband have a schedule where they only have sex on a Wednesday or Saturday. My ex husband’s boss and wife had a Friday Night Only schedule. I found it extremely odd that he would tell people about that.
I personally have never had anything like this and I wonder how happy people with a schedule actually are. Did they set a schedule because they were too busy and seemed to not have sex at all, so the schedule helped them put focus on it? Or is it because the couple were mismatched in their frequency desires and a schedule helped to assure that they fulfilled a compromised and agreed upon number of times?
I made this a poll so that people can answer without divulging their answer, but please feel free to post your thoughts on the subject. Do you know people that stick to a schedule and that it works for them? Why do you think couples set a schedule, other than the two reasons that occurred to me?
I guess I could see how the building up of anticipation might be fun, but overall, it wouldn’t work for me personally.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 30, 2024 23:42:26 GMT
I don't think this should be seen as abnormal. I agree with what Emily Nagoski writes in her book Come Together on this. In long term marriages if you are waiting for lightning to strike both of you at the same time with little to no effort put in to relax you into the mood then you are actually probably having less sex than people who make an honest effort.
She also makes a very good argument in the way of: weren't you "scheduling" sex when you were dating? I mean you went into a Saturday night with a date planned that you shaved your legs for. Was that less sexy? Truth is, most of us in long term relationships would say it actually was hotter.
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Post by ~summer~ on Apr 30, 2024 23:54:53 GMT
I could see how that would work for some people. Me? I’ve never needed it lol.
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Post by dewryce on May 1, 2024 0:03:10 GMT
I chose no, that it would ruin it. But it’s not so much that it would ruin it, more that it wouldn’t ever happen. With my physical issues and both of our mental and hormonal issues we just have to get it while the getting is good. A schedule wouldn’t work at all. And I don’t k ow of anyone that has it on a schedule, but there are very few people that I discuss personal sex with so that’s not surprising. Sex as a concept? Preferences? Sure? But specifics about our sex lives? Next to none.
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Post by ~summer~ on May 1, 2024 0:06:10 GMT
I don't think this should be seen as abnormal. I agree with what Emily Nagoski writes in her book Come Together on this. In long term marriages if you are waiting for lightning to strike both of you at the same time with little to no effort put in to relax you into the mood then you are actually probably having less sex than people who make an honest effort. She also makes a very good argument in the way of: weren't you "scheduling" sex when you were dating? I mean you went into a Saturday night with a date planned that you shaved your legs for. Was that less sexy? Truth is, most of us in long term relationships would say it actually was hotter. I definitely see your point. And we do a lot of date nights - I really enjoy the anticipation- getting dressed up, shaving, (waxing lol), wearing perfume, pretty underwear etc.
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Post by Lexica on May 1, 2024 0:06:14 GMT
I don't think this should be seen as abnormal. I agree with what Emily Nagoski writes in her book Come Together on this. In long term marriages if you are waiting for lightning to strike both of you at the same time with little to no effort put in to relax you into the mood then you are actually probably having less sex than people who make an honest effort. She also makes a very good argument in the way of: weren't you "scheduling" sex when you were dating? I mean you went into a Saturday night with a date planned that you shaved your legs for. Was that less sexy? Truth is, most of us in long term relationships would say it actually was hotter. I can see how you could consider dating to be a sort of schedule. That is why I said the anticipation factor could be fun. But the negative for me personally is that in the movie, the husband tried to initiate sex and she told him it was only Thursday (or whatever day it was) so he had to wait. That is the negative aspect for me. If one or both want to break the schedule and have sex on a non scheduled day, and that wasn’t allowed, that would be extremely irritating for me. And I am sure there are people that insist on daily sex and I suppose that could be considered a schedule too, so it isn’t just limited to two days a week. The movie couple either could not or would not break the schedule, so that is what makes it a definite no for me.
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Post by ~summer~ on May 1, 2024 0:07:21 GMT
I don't think this should be seen as abnormal. I agree with what Emily Nagoski writes in her book Come Together on this. In long term marriages if you are waiting for lightning to strike both of you at the same time with little to no effort put in to relax you into the mood then you are actually probably having less sex than people who make an honest effort. She also makes a very good argument in the way of: weren't you "scheduling" sex when you were dating? I mean you went into a Saturday night with a date planned that you shaved your legs for. Was that less sexy? Truth is, most of us in long term relationships would say it actually was hotter. I can see how you could consider dating to be a sort of schedule. That is why I said the anticipation factor could be fun. But the negative for me personally is that in the movie, the husband tried to initiate sex and she told him it was only Thursday (or whatever day it was) so he had to wait. That is the negative aspect for me. If one or both want to break the schedule and have sex on a non scheduled day, and that wasn’t allowed, that would be extremely irritating for me. And I am sure there are people that insist on daily sex and I suppose that could be considered a schedule too, so it isn’t just limited to two days a week. The movie couple either could not or would not break the schedule, so that is what makes it a definite no for me. well that’s her character in the movie - she is extremely rigid.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 1, 2024 0:11:03 GMT
I don't think this should be seen as abnormal. I agree with what Emily Nagoski writes in her book Come Together on this. In long term marriages if you are waiting for lightning to strike both of you at the same time with little to no effort put in to relax you into the mood then you are actually probably having less sex than people who make an honest effort. She also makes a very good argument in the way of: weren't you "scheduling" sex when you were dating? I mean you went into a Saturday night with a date planned that you shaved your legs for. Was that less sexy? Truth is, most of us in long term relationships would say it actually was hotter. I definitely see your point. And we do a lot of date nights - I really enjoy the anticipation- getting dressed up, shaving, (waxing lol), wearing perfume, pretty underwear etc. Well Emily Nagoski is a sex researcher. She has access to a lot of not just heterosexual couples. I can't see the poll because I'm on my phone but I'm quite concerned about the same thing she is. That telling people spontaneous sex is better than planned intimacy is a reinforcement of shame. Her motive is to improve sexual intimacy.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 1, 2024 0:15:35 GMT
I don't think this should be seen as abnormal. I agree with what Emily Nagoski writes in her book Come Together on this. In long term marriages if you are waiting for lightning to strike both of you at the same time with little to no effort put in to relax you into the mood then you are actually probably having less sex than people who make an honest effort. She also makes a very good argument in the way of: weren't you "scheduling" sex when you were dating? I mean you went into a Saturday night with a date planned that you shaved your legs for. Was that less sexy? Truth is, most of us in long term relationships would say it actually was hotter. I can see how you could consider dating to be a sort of schedule. That is why I said the anticipation factor could be fun. But the negative for me personally is that in the movie, the husband tried to initiate sex and she told him it was only Thursday (or whatever day it was) so he had to wait. That is the negative aspect for me. If one or both want to break the schedule and have sex on a non scheduled day, and that wasn’t allowed, that would be extremely irritating for me. And I am sure there are people that insist on daily sex and I suppose that could be considered a schedule too, so it isn’t just limited to two days a week. The movie couple either could not or would not break the schedule, so that is what makes it a definite no for me. I'm glad you explained but again whatever this show is is coming from a place of shaming those who need to plan time, effort, and anticipation. I encourage you to read this book. I spoke out like I did specifically because I could see this entire thread devolving into how spontaneously wonderful all the commenters sex lives are because "society" has told us spontaneity is the way to be. Not realizing that there are a lot of long term marriages out there that the approach needs to change in order for both partners to find it satisfying
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Post by busy on May 1, 2024 0:44:35 GMT
We sometimes plan, because our schedules are crazy and I travel a lot, so we just want to be sure to set aside time. And the anticipation can be extra fun, especially when one of us is coming home from a trip. But that doesn't mean it's never spontaneous. More often than not, it is. I think couples should do whatever works for them, but for me, personally - I see benefits in scheduling but can't imagine saying "nope, not tonight, it's not on the calendar." In my world, it's a "tool" for more sex, not less.
ETA: for what it's worth, we started scheduling a loooong time ago, when DS was young, and DH worked most evenings, and I worked days... and if we didn't schedule then, it wouldn't happen because our sleep schedules weren't in sync, etc. And then as life has changed, how we used scheduling changed.
I'm in total agreement with jeremysgirl that there shouldn't be a stigma to scheduling - spontaneous isn't de facto better. What matters is a couple and each individual getting what they want out of their sex lives, not how they ensure that happens.
"but can't imagine saying "nope, not tonight, it's not on the calendar." In my world, it's a "tool" for more sex, not less."
I don't really know why that feels different to me than saying no if one of us is in the mood and the other isn't, which definitely happens. But it would, to me. Again, every couple gets to set their own norms so I really couldn't care less if someone thinks our choices are weird and I'm not judging anyone else's choices. Just commenting on what does or doesn't resonate with me.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 1, 2024 0:48:14 GMT
I spoke out like I did specifically because I could see this entire thread devolving into how spontaneously wonderful all the commenters sex lives are because "society" has told us spontaneity is the way to be. Not realizing that there are a lot of long term marriages out there that the approach needs to change in order for both partners to find it satisfying I knew I could count on you jeremysgirl to bring a different perspective to the table <ahem> bed. I have seen so many of these discussions, both here and elsewhere, devolve into something that almost seems to shame people if they're having anything other than raunchy spontaneous sex every time.
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Post by pantsonfire on May 1, 2024 1:02:02 GMT
I spoke out like I did specifically because I could see this entire thread devolving into how spontaneously wonderful all the commenters sex lives are because "society" has told us spontaneity is the way to be. Not realizing that there are a lot of long term marriages out there that the approach needs to change in order for both partners to find it satisfying I knew I could count on you jeremysgirl to bring a different perspective to the table <ahem> bed. I have seen so many of these discussions, both here and elsewhere, devolve into something that almost seems to shame people if they're having anything other than raunchy spontaneous sex every time. Yes. And it hurt way back when. My counselor had dh and I schedule it when the kids were younger and ds was very ill. I had so much going on on top of continually being needed and being touched all day pretty much by ds (he had extremely bad Colic to where I had to wear him and then due to sensory needs and Autism I was his and dd's safe space) so I wanted nothing to do with sex. Scheduling it on the weekend when dh was here to help and I could get a break helped. And it wasn't just sexual intercourse at first. It was a gradual step. Snuggle and talk for a few weeks. Snuggle and kiss. Snuggle, kiss, fondle Etc etc etc This helped me ease into intimacy and being vulnerable with my overworked body. Sex is a 2 way street and both parties need to be respected and if that takes scheduled days, cool. Do what makes your marriage happy and you both happy
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 1, 2024 1:06:46 GMT
I read a loooot. I am always interested in social science researchy things. To be honest AussieMeg I can barely commit to flossing on a daily basis. So there's no way I can go Tuesday & Friday are my get freaky days. But we do engage in non- sexual intimacy daily. And after years of trying it spontaneously, we have decided that (while sometimes non-sexual intimacy leads to something spontaneously) most of the time, we just go, hey, Saturday at 2, meet you in bed?
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Post by 950nancy on May 1, 2024 2:28:22 GMT
I had a coworker who had a husband who kept a calendar in the bedroom. He kept red heart stickers next to it and she was expected to put three heart stickers on the calendar per week. He held her to that schedule. He said she got to pick the nights and he got to pick how often. I had another coworker who said they always went grocery shopping Thursdays. After they came home they were in the mood. And then on Friday, Saturday and Sunday because it was the weekend. But never on Tuesdays. Couples should do what works for them.
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Post by Zee on May 1, 2024 4:18:08 GMT
I had a coworker who had a husband who kept a calendar in the bedroom. He kept red heart stickers next to it and she was expected to put three heart stickers on the calendar per week. He held her to that schedule. He said she got to pick the nights and he got to pick how often. I had another coworker who said they always went grocery shopping Thursdays. After they came home they were in the mood. And then on Friday, Saturday and Sunday because it was the weekend. But never on Tuesdays. Couples should do what works for them. I'm horrified by the stickers but then again I knew a woman whose spouse was very controlling and abusive and he demanded sex from her every single day no matter how she was feeling or if she was sick or any other thing. I can't imagine letting someone tell me how often I would be having sex, regardless if I'm choosing the dates and times. I would never allow someone else to dictate how often they get to use my body. Gross. That's biggest turn-off I've ever heard.
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Post by scrappert on May 1, 2024 12:38:47 GMT
We do more of when it is convenient as apposed to spontaneity. With an 18 year old at home often, we have to pick the times when she is not around. Our house is too small now that she older. And we often spend time in the basement.
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Post by huskergal on May 1, 2024 14:26:12 GMT
Do what works for you. Helping co-parent a 3 year old and age have really cut down on our sex life. We are tired. Right now I would take scheduled or unscheduled activity.
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Post by FrozenPea on May 1, 2024 15:46:00 GMT
We haven't scheduled sex but I did put "Make out Session" on the calendar every night at 9 with an alarm for 3 weeks. I realized that we weren't "making out" & touching like we used to. Life & being tired & stressed and pain (mine) gets in the way. Say a huge difference it made in our relationship. More talking, touching and just being together. Now when either one of us feels distant or out of sorts, we schedule a make out session. And bonus, it often led to great sex.
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Post by Katie on May 1, 2024 15:49:30 GMT
Jeremy’s girl, thank you for sharing that point of view. DH and I will rarely ever be in the spontaneous mood at the same time, and because of that our frequency has dwindled BIG time. I am one who loves the anticipation, too, so honestly a schedule would work well for me.
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Post by Lexica on May 1, 2024 16:39:34 GMT
This has been very interesting. I know that circumstances change as you start building a family and there doesn’t seem to be the same energy as when you first married. With my husband, he as my first real boyfriend and first sexual partner so I had nothing to compare it with. We met in junior high and married right out of high school. I started out extremely enthusiastic, but as time went on, I was not so interested. His idea of foreplay was to ask if I felt like F’ing as we were walking up the stairs. Uh, no, not yet. How about putting a little effort into it? He also wasn’t so interested in whether or not I was enjoying myself, it was all about him. I had tried to have talks with the ex early in the marriage, but he just got angry and made me feel guilty for bringing it up.
After we divorced and I began a relationship with a great guy, my enthusiasm returned and I realized it wasn’t that I didn’t enjoy sex, it was all about compatibility and having a partner that cared about how you were enjoying yourself. And after we divorced, he married the much younger girl he was cheating with as soon as our divorce was final. It wasn’t too long before she came to me to ask if my ex was alway that selfish in bed. She confronted him and told him that his behavior wasn’t going to cut it. So what did he do? He yelled at me for not telling him! I reminded him that I had tried to initiate conversations multiple times and he just got mad at me. 😳. He said I should have tried harder.
I learned that compatibility was crucial for a good sex life, whether you opted for a schedule or not.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 1, 2024 17:02:40 GMT
How about putting a little effort into it? I appreciate you sharing a little. And I'm not meaning to pick on you, but you made the argument that it needed to be spontaneous for you. So you needed to feel in the mood at the very same time he felt in the mood. That part of the effort would need to be done before even stepping into the bedroom. When you schedule *both* people need to put in the effort. And both people understand that because they aren't waiting for spontaneous engine revving to happen. They are openly making it a priority and committing to giving each other pleasure. Just from my personal background, I have found that when you are operating under the spontaneous framework, there is a much greater potential that one partner takes for granted just how far along in the turn on process another is and then it does, in fact, affect the level of effort and thereby the quality of the interaction.
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Post by melanell on May 1, 2024 17:51:30 GMT
I never really thought about it, except for once when we decided to try to have sex every night for a month, which was fun, but really tiring at that point in our lives, and so we didn't actually make it happen 30 nights in a row. But we did have more sex in those 30 days than we would have had otherwise, no doubt about that. And with that in mind, I could definitely see how for some people a schedule means more sex than they might have otherwise. Basically, I figure if people having sex together are happy with the "when"s & "how"s, then it's great, no matter if those same "when"s & "how"s would work for me or not. And I definitely agree that in a way dating or date nights are a lot like scheduling it, or at least setting up a favorable environment. If you've gone out for a nice meal & some activity you both enjoy, and you come home and already have things all settled at home ahead of time, (had a babysitter who put any young kids to bed), then you've arranged an encouraging framework by giving yourselves an opportunity where nothing is screaming for your time and your attention is already on your partner. Now, on the flip side, I agree that rigidly sticking to a schedule to the point of opting out on any other night based only on the schedule could certainly be an issue, but I also think that's more of a personality issue than a "scheduled sex" issue. In other words, anyone can take what could be a helpful tool and cause harm with it instead. So yeah, long story short, if scheduling intimate time together increases your intimacy at any given time in your lives, then why not? It's not like anyone is forcing everyone to try it. It reminds me of the sleeping in separate beds/bedroom discussions. There are always those who act as if couples who opt not to sleep together are headed for ruin or something. If it works for you, it works, and that's good! We all want the important things in our lives to work well for us. If it's not for you, then don't do it. Easy peasy.
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Post by 950nancy on May 1, 2024 18:53:27 GMT
I had a coworker who had a husband who kept a calendar in the bedroom. He kept red heart stickers next to it and she was expected to put three heart stickers on the calendar per week. He held her to that schedule. He said she got to pick the nights and he got to pick how often. I had another coworker who said they always went grocery shopping Thursdays. After they came home they were in the mood. And then on Friday, Saturday and Sunday because it was the weekend. But never on Tuesdays. Couples should do what works for them. I'm horrified by the stickers but then again I knew a woman whose spouse was very controlling and abusive and he demanded sex from her every single day no matter how she was feeling or if she was sick or any other thing. I can't imagine letting someone tell me how often I would be having sex, regardless if I'm choosing the dates and times. I would never allow someone else to dictate how often they get to use my body. Gross. That's biggest turn-off I've ever heard. I felt that way about it too, but she didn't act put out by it. He's a lawyer and she was a teacher. He told her she earned less so she could do all of the housework. She also left him for 6 months and I think that helped him figure out he didn't run the show.
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Post by ~summer~ on May 1, 2024 19:55:58 GMT
I'm horrified by the stickers but then again I knew a woman whose spouse was very controlling and abusive and he demanded sex from her every single day no matter how she was feeling or if she was sick or any other thing. I can't imagine letting someone tell me how often I would be having sex, regardless if I'm choosing the dates and times. I would never allow someone else to dictate how often they get to use my body. Gross. That's biggest turn-off I've ever heard. I felt that way about it too, but she didn't act put out by it. He's a lawyer and she was a teacher. He told her she earned less so she could do all of the housework. She also left him for 6 months and I think that helped him figure out he didn't run the show. it’s amazing that your coworker would share those details…
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Post by Lexica on May 1, 2024 20:52:34 GMT
How about putting a little effort into it? I appreciate you sharing a little. And I'm not meaning to pick on you, but you made the argument that it needed to be spontaneous for you. So you needed to feel in the mood at the very same time he felt in the mood. That part of the effort would need to be done before even stepping into the bedroom. When you schedule *both* people need to put in the effort. And both people understand that because they aren't waiting for spontaneous engine revving to happen. They are openly making it a priority and committing to giving each other pleasure. Just from my personal background, I have found that when you are operating under the spontaneous framework, there is a much greater potential that one partner takes for granted just how far along in the turn on process another is and then it does, in fact, affect the level of effort and thereby the quality of the interaction. Actually, I didn’t say that spontaneous was the only way for me. What I said was the scheduled way they depicted in the show, with the wife refusing if it wasn’t a Wednesday or Saturday would not work for me. I guess I should have clarified that I didn’t think a rigid schedule would work for me. Especially like the other pain patient peas, I never know when my Fibromyalgia will flare up to the point that nothing can touch my skin without severe pain. When I am dealing with a severe Fibro flare, even the elastic on loose pjs is extremely painful so if I was trying to schedule sex and I had a fibro flare that day, I couldn’t do it. My inability to predict or control my body would prohibit having a schedule. And with my ex, just the question of do you feel like F’ing was all I ever got from him in the way of effort. He was not a romantic or tender guy at all. He was very selfish and after trying to express to him that I wanted to talk about our sex life and his getting angry at me for that, I admit that I did lose interest. I wanted to tell him a few things that would help us, or I guess help me to be in the mood, but I realized he just didn’t care. Sex with him was all about him and when he was finished, it was over. And schedule or no schedule, I don’t think it would have mattered for us. I hope I am not giving the impression that I think having a schedule is a terrible thing. And I like that thinking of it as a date night to build the anticipation and make it appealing. Terribly for me would be if the schedule is totally rigid like the show depicted. There was a scene where the husband attempted to initiate late one night on an approved day and she looked at her watch. It was like two minutes after midnight, so therefore it was the next day and she shut it down. As melanell said, that makes a helpful tool harmful instead.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 1, 2024 21:21:24 GMT
Lexica I'm trying to share what I learned from the book on long term marriage. I'm not trying to pick on anyone. I picked up her book specifically because I am interested in hearing from an expert on these things because I'm open to change if something is to our benefit. I read your post combined with your poll (2 options with a preference for and explanation of spontaneous sex with no similar reference to not enjoying spontaneous sex at all) I sensed bias and criticism. It did not read clear to me that you were only talking about in the case where a schedule is so strict and communication is so lacking that the marriage probably isn't good, the sex is the least of their worries. I don't have a problem with anything you said BTW. You weren't rude. You're entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else is. Maybe I have misunderstood but that's how all of this read to me. Having recently read that book, I thought it was very well done, I walked away thinking differently about some things, and I think if you are interested in this topic, you might enjoy it. Anyone in a long term marriage might benefit. All in all I think this was a good topic of discussion. I apologize if I came across critical. I did not mean to. I have a real habit of getting excited to talk about topics I've read about because I don't often get that in my real life. Peas seem so much more open to a lot of good discussions.
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Post by 950nancy on May 2, 2024 20:10:35 GMT
I felt that way about it too, but she didn't act put out by it. He's a lawyer and she was a teacher. He told her she earned less so she could do all of the housework. She also left him for 6 months and I think that helped him figure out he didn't run the show. it’s amazing that your coworker would share those details… We took a roadtrip together with several coworkers for a four day set of concerts. Her husband had us followed by a private investigator and she was pissed. I was the only one not drinking and very aware of our surroundings. I think she had just had enough and started talking.
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Post by Zee on May 3, 2024 12:54:26 GMT
it’s amazing that your coworker would share those details… We took a roadtrip together with several coworkers for a four day set of concerts. Her husband had us followed by a private investigator and she was pissed. I was the only one not drinking and very aware of our surroundings. I think she had just had enough and started talking. The poor dear probably needed to share with someone. It certainly wasn't her disgusting husband she could turn to. Blecchh
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Post by mom on May 3, 2024 13:37:06 GMT
We took a roadtrip together with several coworkers for a four day set of concerts. Her husband had us followed by a private investigator and she was pissed. I was the only one not drinking and very aware of our surroundings. I think she had just had enough and started talking. The poor dear probably needed to share with someone. It certainly wasn't her disgusting husband she could turn to. Blecchh I was thinking that exact thing and/or if he was controlling enough to send a PI to follow her, he probably had isolated her from her close female friends.
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Post by littlemama on May 3, 2024 15:15:32 GMT
I think when you have adult issues to deal with, it can take some planning to ensure everyone gets what they need. Do we have a schedule? No. Do we plan for times when ds is out with friends or working? Yes. Does that plan always work out? Nope!
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