uksue
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Post by uksue on May 21, 2024 14:43:12 GMT
Is anyone else watching this crazy trial? I'm not sure if she's guilty or not, but I'm so shocked at the poor quality investigation of the death of a LEO. He deserves so much better, so does his family
Everyone reports different things seen/ heard, crime scene cleared by a leaf blower, bodily fluids in solo cups left in an open brown shopping bag in the sallyport. Owner of the house where the body was found was never interviewed contemporaneously but it's a big law enforcement family who all seem to be covering for one another. Add to that the judge is 'aunt Bev' to many in the group who seem to be covering something up.
Most of them were driving intoxicated that night yet are crushing Karen fur being 'drunk' yet there's no proof of how much she was drinking. She has MS and Crohn's so I would be surprised if she was drunk but who knows.
If Karen is guilty they could be the reason she gets off. I'm not convinced she did it, but if she did there doesn't seem to be any motive or intention. So definitely overcharged .
Shambles!
I have literally never seen anything like it.
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Post by agengr2004 on May 21, 2024 17:25:56 GMT
4th week of trial and they still haven't established how the victim died or anyone that saw what happened. Right now, Karen Read seems the least shady out of the bunch.
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Post by Bridget in MD on May 21, 2024 17:45:49 GMT
There was a thread about this a couple of weeks ago, but damn if I can find it with the search!
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Post by hop2 on May 21, 2024 17:59:09 GMT
4th week of trial and they still haven't established how the victim died or anyone that saw what happened. Right now, Karen Read seems the least shady out of the bunch. ditto what she said. I’ve yet to hear of one shred of evidence that would remove all doubt from my mind about guilt. |
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Post by valincal on May 21, 2024 18:21:12 GMT
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Post by maryannscraps on May 21, 2024 21:22:36 GMT
You can’t avoid the topic in the Boston area. I think Occam’s Razor — she was so drunk she didn’t remember going there. She was so drunk that she was still well over the legal limit many hours later. She ran him over while she was blackout drunk.
All of them were drinking heavily all evening, and none of them seem like the brightest lightbulbs. But that’s what you get in a small town. That crew doesn’t seem bright enough to pull off a coverup.
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Post by uksue on May 22, 2024 10:35:03 GMT
You can’t avoid the topic in the Boston area. I think Occam’s Razor — she was so drunk she didn’t remember going there. She was so drunk that she was still well over the legal limit many hours later. She ran him over while she was blackout drunk. All of them were drinking heavily all evening, and none of them seem like the brightest lightbulbs. But that’s what you get in a small town. That crew doesn’t seem bright enough to pull off a coverup. John's brother walked out in disgust whilst McCabe was being caught in her own lies yesterday. She looked ridiculous- it was like watching Amber Heard all over again with her turning to the jury with exaggerated facial expressions every time she got challenged. I'm outraged for John and his family that his own co-workers allowed this sham of an investigation. He and they deserved so much better. As it is no one will ever know the full truth. Maybe she did get so drunk she ran him over and doesn't remember, maybe he fell after she left and got hit by another car as people left that night or got hit by a plow.His injuries look much more like someone hit by a bumper or plow from a low position than they do from him being knocked down and hit by a tail light. I'm not convinced by the 'beating up' theory either and think that was a mistake by the defence as they will never prove it ( not that they have to), but again we will never know. All it takes is reasonable doubt to clear her, and I feel there is plenty of that. If Read is convicted it answers nothing, and with the Judge being related to the players and with some very biased rulings, I can see a successful appeal. I don't think Lally ever wanted to prosecute this case and his performance has been at best perfunctory. This case would never have got past the crown prosecution service here - it would have been returned to the prosecutor with a 'do better' note! Meanwhile I'm also watching Chad Daybell's children support him in court by disparaging their own dead mother and parroting the same ridiculous nonsense that lead to the death of two adults and 2 children. Hopefully there is zero doubt in the jury's mind about him, especially as Lori Vallow has already been jailed for the same conspiracy! |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 22, 2024 11:25:35 GMT
As Maryannscraps mentioned, in MA, this is everywhere and has been for months. I think she did it, it was an accident, but she's going to be found not guilty. Her defense team is doing a bang up job sowing reasonable doubt. The amount of people, especially cops, involved in this case, all drinking and driving in a damn blizzard, it's shameful.
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Post by uksue on May 22, 2024 14:06:28 GMT
As Maryannscraps mentioned, in MA, this is everywhere and has been for months. I think she did it, it was an accident, but she's going to be found not guilty. Her defense team is doing a bang up job sowing reasonable doubt. The amount of people, especially cops, involved in this case, all drinking and driving in a damn blizzard, it's shameful. They've definitely overcharged her, haven't they? I've just been watching more Jen on cross- she's just as combative as yesterday and is still eyeballing the jury wildly. Suggesting noone has given her advice which is something, I suppose. Id really ike to know why Brian Albert and Higgins quickly fell out a month after this happened... |
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Post by SweetieBsMom on May 22, 2024 14:40:13 GMT
As Maryannscraps mentioned, in MA, this is everywhere and has been for months. I think she did it, it was an accident, but she's going to be found not guilty. Her defense team is doing a bang up job sowing reasonable doubt. The amount of people, especially cops, involved in this case, all drinking and driving in a damn blizzard, it's shameful. , haven't they? I've just been watching more Jen on cross- she's just as combative as yesterday and is still eyeballing the jury wildly. Suggesting noone has given her advice which is something, I suppose. Id really ike to know why Brian Albert and Higgins quickly fell out a month after this happened... Yes, they definitely overcharged her. Jen HAD to know this was coming. Honestly I wish I could watch vs. read about it but I'd get nothing done at work  |
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Post by jamieson on May 23, 2024 2:57:42 GMT
Oh my gosh, I'm so glad you started this thread, I've been going crazy watching this on NBC10. I had to stop watching Court tv because the commentary is almost as stupid as the people involved in this crime!
Today's takeaway for me was when the prosecution interviewed the former girlfriend of John O'Keefe's Boston Police Dept. Partner. She was pregnant when her boyfriend committed suicide, and John, who seems to have been such a kind man, made sure to support her and make sure she had the help she needed through the pregnancy. The girlfriend eventually married and named John the godfather of her child, and he continued to be included in family get togethers.
During a family/friend annual trip to Bermuda where John took Karen, Karen had words with this woman's sister. The sister didn't think highly of Karen.
The bottom line is that the sister was also called to the stand, despite the judge ordering the jury to disregard this as a reflection of Karen Read's character (yeah, right!).
The weird thing is, after John's death, Trooper Proctor (one of many who bungled this investigation) visited each sister to take statements from them. WTH did they have to do with anything when they weren't at the crime scene or at the pre-crime bar hopping?
The whole situation is beyond belief. I hope someone who does a good townie character and Boston accent like Ben Affleck is working on a screenplay!
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Post by jamieson on May 23, 2024 3:01:35 GMT
As Maryannscraps mentioned, in MA, this is everywhere and has been for months. I think she did it, it was an accident, but she's going to be found not guilty. Her defense team is doing a bang up job sowing reasonable doubt. The amount of people, especially cops, involved in this case, all drinking and driving in a damn blizzard, it's shameful. I thought so at first also, but the physical scene doesn't add up. Those curbs are high, so she would've caused significant damage to her car if she'd backed up over them in reverse. Also, she would've had to catapult his body a long distance from the driveway to in front of the flagpole. Not to mention that none of his injuries are consistent with being run over. So strange. |
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Post by jamieson on May 23, 2024 3:04:10 GMT
You can’t avoid the topic in the Boston area. I think Occam’s Razor — she was so drunk she didn’t remember going there. She was so drunk that she was still well over the legal limit many hours later. She ran him over while she was blackout drunk. All of them were drinking heavily all evening, and none of them seem like the brightest lightbulbs. But that’s what you get in a small town. That crew doesn’t seem bright enough to pull off a coverup. I love you, Maryannscraps, but I know some too bright bulbs living very close to these people in this crazy arse town! |
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Post by agengr2004 on May 23, 2024 12:19:38 GMT
I can't imagine what the jury is thinking at this point. I've been a juror in two different trials and you constantly feel like you aren't getting the whole story, but if I was on this, I'd be wondering why I'm there at all.
There's just too many coincidences in this for them to actually be coincidences. Everyone is butt dialing, the timing of phone trade ins, all the "unanswered" calls, deleted texts/phone calls/google searches, rehoming the dog, selling the house, it's too much. The optics of this aren't great.
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Post by maryannscraps on May 23, 2024 12:32:09 GMT
I can't imagine what the jury is thinking at this point. I've been a juror in two different trials and you constantly feel like you aren't getting the whole story, but if I was on this, I'd be wondering why I'm there at all. There's just too many coincidences in this for them to actually be coincidences. Everyone is butt dialing, the timing of phone trade ins, all the "unanswered" calls, deleted texts/phone calls/google searches, rehoming the dog, selling the house, it's too much. The optics of this aren't great. Can I clarify just a bit after reading some more about the case? The dog was rehomed after biting several people months later. There’s no evidence at all that the dog bit John O’Keefe. The house was sold more than a year later, after the family was being stalked and harassed. I just don’t think there’s anything sinister in selling a house or getting rid of a biting dog. All of these people seem to text and call each other waaaaaaay more than I do, so I can’t even follow how that works. I understand how trials work, but the defense is trying to nitpick and parse their words from three years ago, in a chaotic situation with Karen Read screaming in the background and EMTs trying to work on John O’Keefe. It seems like everyone involved had 5-10 drinks in them from the night before. Yeah, the optics are terrible. |
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Post by maryannscraps on May 23, 2024 12:35:17 GMT
You can’t avoid the topic in the Boston area. I think Occam’s Razor — she was so drunk she didn’t remember going there. She was so drunk that she was still well over the legal limit many hours later. She ran him over while she was blackout drunk. All of them were drinking heavily all evening, and none of them seem like the brightest lightbulbs. But that’s what you get in a small town. That crew doesn’t seem bright enough to pull off a coverup. I love you, Maryannscraps, but I know some too bright bulbs living very close to these people in this crazy arse town! Love you right back. Sorry, re-reading what I wrote made it sound like I was saying all the people in the town were dim, but I just meant the crew of all those drunken families from that night. They all grew up together and they all seem to have gone into police work together. |
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Post by agengr2004 on May 23, 2024 13:26:47 GMT
I can't imagine what the jury is thinking at this point. I've been a juror in two different trials and you constantly feel like you aren't getting the whole story, but if I was on this, I'd be wondering why I'm there at all. There's just too many coincidences in this for them to actually be coincidences. Everyone is butt dialing, the timing of phone trade ins, all the "unanswered" calls, deleted texts/phone calls/google searches, rehoming the dog, selling the house, it's too much. The optics of this aren't great. Can I clarify just a bit after reading some more about the case? The dog was rehomed after biting several people months later. There’s no evidence at all that the dog bit John O’Keefe. The house was sold more than a year later, after the family was being stalked and harassed. I just don’t think there’s anything sinister in selling a house or getting rid of a biting dog. All of these people seem to text and call each other waaaaaaay more than I do, so I can’t even follow how that works. I understand how trials work, but the defense is trying to nitpick and parse their words from three years ago, in a chaotic situation with Karen Read screaming in the background and EMTs trying to work on John O’Keefe. It seems like everyone involved had 5-10 drinks in them from the night before. Yeah, the optics are terrible. Good points. There is so much "other" in this case. But FFS if after 4 weeks you still haven't put the victim at the scene of the crime? We know every detail about these people that has absolutely no relevance to the crime, and everything else is just speculation. I'm waiting for the smoke.... |
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Post by agengr2004 on May 23, 2024 13:31:03 GMT
I just read that the CW submitted new discovery two days ago that includes medical records for Brian Higgins. That testimony should be interesting.
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