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Post by Merge on May 30, 2024 22:34:48 GMT
I am just so damn proud of the jury! They weren't swayed by the magnitude of this case. They weren't cowed by tfg's supporters. They showed up, did their job, and had a unanimous verdict. WTG!!! I hope the state of New York provides them with protection from Trump’s deranged supporters! |
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Post by withapea on May 30, 2024 22:35:55 GMT
I was very surprised they found him guilty on all counts, I thought they would have to find him guilty of some and let him worm his way out of some of the others. I don’t expect it to change anything but I’m thrilled.
I don’t care what those GOPers do, I’m fresh out of f*&$#s, let them do what they’re going to do. You don’t let criminals off because you’re afraid of the consequences. I’d argue this is how we got here, if Nixon had gotten his just desserts we wouldn’t have presidents assuming they’ll get off if they crime.
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Post by Gennifer on May 30, 2024 22:41:34 GMT
Surely the average normal Republican voter would be unwilling to have a convicted POTUS on the world stage? I would never vote for someone who had been convicted as my countries political leader. I mean… I would have thought that line had been crossed YEARS ago, but clearly it doesn’t matter to some people. I would never vote for someone who had filed for bankruptcy seven times. I would never vote for someone who had cheated on his multiple wives. I would never vote for someone who had been found liable for sexual assault. I would never vote for someone who was caught on a hot mic talking about grabbing women by the pussy. I would never vote for someone who cannot string together a coherent sentence. I would also never vote for a convicted criminal. And yet, here we are. 🤷🏼♀️ |
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Post by pilcas on May 30, 2024 22:43:32 GMT
It appears that convicted felons are not allowed to vote in Florida. Not sure if that applies if the conviction was in a different state. Would be pretty funny if Trump can’t even vote for himself. Watch De Santis change the law! |
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Post by epeanymous on May 30, 2024 22:55:34 GMT
It appears that convicted felons are not allowed to vote in Florida. Not sure if that applies if the conviction was in a different state. Would be pretty funny if Trump can’t even vote for himself. Watch De Santis change the law! I think Florida law is that your out of state conviction is only a bar if it is a bar in your state of conviction; I think NY only bars you when incarcerated. |
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Post by AussieMeg on May 30, 2024 23:06:24 GMT
Ow wow!! It's Friday morning here, and I just turned on the news breakfast show, in time to see the chyron saying that he has been found guilty of 34 charges. And now on the ABC, instead of running the 9am news, they're running a special broadcast about the verdict. They're showing the loser's press conference now, and surprise surprise, he's calling it a rigged and corrupt trial.  |
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Post by peano on May 30, 2024 23:07:00 GMT
Just heard Jen Psaki say that convicted felons are not allowed to hear security briefings
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Post by snyder on May 30, 2024 23:22:45 GMT
It appears that convicted felons are not allowed to vote in Florida. Not sure if that applies if the conviction was in a different state. Would be pretty funny if Trump can’t even vote for himself. I found this; Voting rights can only be restored through an individual petition or application to the government in: Florida, Iowa, Kentucky, and Virginia.
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Post by Merge on May 30, 2024 23:28:10 GMT
I'm so sick of this nonsense and the axe of another Trump presidency hanging over our heads. I want out of this country so bad.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 30, 2024 23:28:14 GMT
Just heard Jen Psaki say that convicted felons are not allowed to hear security briefings Does it matter? The president does not have to pass a security clearance. President title IS the clearance! |
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Post by withapea on May 30, 2024 23:30:54 GMT
Just heard Jen Psaki say that convicted felons are not allowed to hear security briefings Does it matter? The president does not have to pass a security clearance. President title IS the clearance! I think it will at least keep him from getting briefings before the election. |
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Post by edie3 on May 30, 2024 23:31:33 GMT
Boy was there an elephant in the room when my DH got home today.
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Post by dawnnikol on May 30, 2024 23:38:00 GMT
Boy was there an elephant in the room when my DH got home today. Was it orange? :X |
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Post by naby64 on May 30, 2024 23:38:56 GMT
Boy was there an elephant in the room when my DH got home today. we actually had a civil conversation. Especially when I read the Gov Hogan tweet and the trump team response. He actually called that all kinds of wrong. |
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Post by snyder on May 30, 2024 23:39:01 GMT
I honestly didn't see this happening. I figured one count of guilty, but never all of them. That’s what I was afraid would happen holy }%^>. I mean we all know he is guilty and this is the lesser I think if the crimes he has comically but dang. I figured there would be at least a few not guilties, but in some afterward news coverage, they said the charges are not stacked and that all 34 charges were the same, so it was like 1 charge. If they were all the same, then I can then see why they were all guilty. |
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Post by PLurker on May 30, 2024 23:43:15 GMT
Isn't it weird/not weird how in all the politically divided married man/woman households, the man (who has been king of the hill in power, rights and all that jazz for.ever.) is overwhelming on the red side. And those that would take their daughter over the border if needed etc. just highlights the it doesn't matter so much until it hits closer to home. Baffles me as a (probably overly) empathetic person.
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Post by Lurkingpea on May 30, 2024 23:53:33 GMT
Sentencing July 11th 10:00 am Putting it on my calendar. So happy to hear this news. Shocked, but happy. |
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Post by Merge on May 31, 2024 0:05:58 GMT
Welp, so far I’ve been threatened by two MAGAs on Twitter for simply existing as a liberal. So things are going well.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 31, 2024 0:11:35 GMT
Welp, so far I’ve been threatened by two MAGAs on Twitter for simply existing as a liberal. So things are going well. Some of them are unhinged. I do worry about the judge and the jurors. |
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Post by monklady123 on May 31, 2024 0:19:38 GMT
Ow wow!! It's Friday morning here, and I just turned on the news breakfast show, in time to see the chyron saying that he has been found guilty of 34 charges. And now on the ABC, instead of running the 9am news, they're running a special broadcast about the verdict. They're showing the loser's press conference now, and surprise surprise, he's calling it a rigged and corrupt trial. Of course it was rigged and corrupt. Orchestrated by Biden. Because he (trump) is "very innocent". As opposed to just plain "innocent"....? What does "very innocent" even mean? lol. It's like how you can't be "a little bit pregnant" -- either you are or you are not. Anyway, that's just how trump talks, as we all know. I'm surprised he didn't get the word "tremendous" into his statement somewhere.  |
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Post by Merge on May 31, 2024 0:20:40 GMT
Welp, so far I’ve been threatened by two MAGAs on Twitter for simply existing as a liberal. So things are going well. Some of them are unhinged. I do worry about the judge and the jurors. In all seriousness, I do, too. We are dealing with some extra crazy out there. |
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Post by Merge on May 31, 2024 0:20:47 GMT
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Post by sabrinae on May 31, 2024 0:23:50 GMT
That’s what I was afraid would happen holy }%^>. I mean we all know he is guilty and this is the lesser I think if the crimes he has comically but dang. I figured there would be at least a few not guilties, but in some afterward news coverage, they said the charges are not stacked and that all 34 charges were the same, so it was like 1 charge. If they were all the same, then I can then see why they were all guilty. . They’re not all the same but they all involve the same course of conduct. Each charge corresponds to a falsified document all falsified to cover up the payments made to Stormy McDaniels. So all the charges depended on the same finding of intent and the same underlying crime, but each separate document is it’s own criminal act. |
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Post by PLurker on May 31, 2024 0:23:58 GMT
Years ago I was on a jury where they were charging a kid for distribution as well as simple possession. because he shared his pot with people at an outdoor concert. He had a small bag less than an ounce. The prosecuting attorney pointed out that you don't have to be making money to be charged with distribution. The kid and his defense said that he just brought it for personal use but spur of the moment shared it with people in the audience. The kid faced some real jail time for the distribution part.
In the closing argument this young prosecutor said bringing that much pot for his personal use would be like bringing "a whole beer truck" for personal use.
In the jury room they all clinged to that one statement. That's true, we have no choice but to convict. It's like bringing a whole beer truck. Me: You can't fit a beer truck in your pocket or sock!!! Also, any one here smoke? Less than a pack a day? Yeah? Why do you bring the whole pack along.
Yep, I was the one holdout that wasn't letting the kid go down for something that a good percent of the crowd was also doing.
Point being, they took that one catch phrase like thing to heart, were running with it and weren't much into critical thinking.
In the end the kid got simple possession, but that experience left a bad taste in my mouth in juries. They don't always get it right or further think things through. Many of mine just wanted to go home, screw the kid.
So yes, I had my doubts, especially in this case but in the end, the system worked. In both cases. Thank goodness.
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Post by mich5481 on May 31, 2024 0:37:19 GMT
It appears that convicted felons are not allowed to vote in Florida. Not sure if that applies if the conviction was in a different state. Would be pretty funny if Trump can’t even vote for himself. It's crazy that convicted felons can run for any office but not vote. It's because it would be an unconstitutional test of office. That's why welfare recipients can be drug tested, but elected officials and candidates cannot. |
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Post by quiltz on May 31, 2024 0:43:32 GMT
Just heard Jen Psaki say that convicted felons are not allowed to hear security briefings Convicted felons are not able to enter Canada & possibly other countries. |
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Post by snyder on May 31, 2024 0:48:31 GMT
I figured there would be at least a few not guilties, but in some afterward news coverage, they said the charges are not stacked and that all 34 charges were the same, so it was like 1 charge. If they were all the same, then I can then see why they were all guilty. . They’re not all the same but they all involve the same course of conduct. Each charge corresponds to a falsified document all falsified to cover up the payments made to Stormy McDaniels. So all the charges depended on the same finding of intent and the same underlying crime, but each separate document is it’s own criminal act. I guess I didn't say that quite right. Sorry for the confusion. I knew they were different, but not as far as the charge and consequence. Like forgery on this day for this offense, forgery on another day for same offense and the like. As you say, different. |
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Post by imkat on May 31, 2024 1:06:03 GMT
Lovely, but the online experts say it’s unlikely he’ll see jail time. Instead, he’ll continue to campaign on how abused and mistreated he is, and his cult members will lap it up. I have real concerns that this is going to help his campaign. I saw a poll on CNN this morning of likely Trump voters. 7 percent said that they would not vote for Trump if convicted. The number may be different once he was actually convicted this afternoon. |
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Post by Lexica on May 31, 2024 1:07:47 GMT
My neighbor has hung his American flag upside down. That is awful and disrespectful. My new house has a huge tall flagpole in the front yard. The previous owner was not displaying a flag so it must have been a homeowner before her. I don’t have a flag and don’t really have any plans to order one, but this verdict has actually made me think that if I did own one, I would put it up now. And the proper way, of course. Why do we not have any rule prohibiting a convicted felon from serving as our president? And that is regardless of which party that felon would be from. I think it is time we got one. |
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Post by mollycoddle on May 31, 2024 1:18:24 GMT
So MAGATs are, of course, taking this badly. I understand that, even though I completely disagree.
Here’s what I don’t get. The cries of “It was rigged!” And “The fix was in!”
Really? Every outcome that you guys don’t like is “rigged.” It’s getting old. In 2020, Republicans claimed that the Biden win was “rigged.” But the House outcome, since Republicans won the majority, was apparently just fine.
Come on. Your team has gone to the “rigged” well a few too many times.
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