Gem Girl
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Jun 29, 2014 19:29:52 GMT
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Post by Gem Girl on May 31, 2024 22:03:00 GMT
So apparently there's a site where you can donate to trump, and it has crashed due to the heavy traffic. What is wrong with these cultists that they're prepared to donate money to a millionaire grifting criminal? I bet most of them earn well under $100k pa, and this is what they're spending their hard earned money on? We have only their word that the heavy traffic is the reason. Since he lies about everything, I'm not inclined to think much of it. Besides, they have to be pretty much tapped out / well has run dry.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 31, 2024 22:20:10 GMT
Besides, they have to be pretty much tapped out / well has run dry. You'd think, wouldn't you? The post I saw was from a guy who'd just donated $200, and was calling on all his like-minded cultists to follow suit.
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Gem Girl
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Post by Gem Girl on May 31, 2024 22:22:26 GMT
Besides, they have to be pretty much tapped out / well has run dry. You'd think, wouldn't you? The post I saw was from a guy who'd just donated $200, and was calling on all his like-minded cultists to follow suit. Yeesh. I think one would have to be insane to send money to a guy who has his own airliner.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 31, 2024 22:27:38 GMT
And then the FEC determines that people have donated too much and TFG campaign has to issue refunds..
Those dollars do add up!!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 1, 2024 1:54:35 GMT
DH was talking to one of his Trumper friends on speaker today and he asked what his friend thought about Trump getting 34 guilty verdicts, and the dude was like, “Whatever. They’re just going to appeal it and in six months it will all go away. The whole thing was a sham and there was no way it wasn’t going to be a guilty verdict where they held that trial.” Um, okay dude. Then he continued on about the Dems “forgiving all those student loans” and DH corrected him saying, “You do realize that the loans that were forgiven was the excessive interest people still owed long after they had already paid back the principal amount plus some interest?” His response to that was, “Yeah but the taxpayers are going to end up footing that bill regardless.” 🙄 It’s so not worth even arguing with people who are running with their own predetermined set of “facts” ugh.
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Post by jill8909 on Jun 1, 2024 2:50:06 GMT
I don't think it will matter. I think he's getting elected and we are doomed.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 1, 2024 4:43:19 GMT
Some people who have been defendants who have appeared in Judge Merchan's courtroom... The Daily Beast recently interviewed several past defendants who Merchan sentenced in previous trials, and virtually all of them agreed that the judge who presided over Trump's first criminal trial was tough, but fair and even-keeled. One defendant was Andrew Rossig, who was sentenced over a BASE jumping incident in which he parachuted from the top of the One World Trade Center building in lower Manhattan (built over the original site of the Twin Towers) in 2013. While Rossig and his two co-defendants were acquitted of felony burglary charges, they were found guilty of two misdemeanor charges of reckless endangerment. Merchan said the men "sullied the memories" of 9/11 victims, who jumped to their deaths on September 11, 2001 "not for sport but because they had to." While prosecutors asked for 60 days incarceration, Merchan said jailing the men wouldn't "serve the best interests of our community" and sentenced Rossig to 200 hours of community service. "I, myself, was pretty quiet and just tried to keep my mouth shut and be apologetic," Rossig told the Beast. "It seemed to me that [Merchan] was like, if you at least seem apologetic for the crime you did, he would be more lenient. I don’t ever remember saying to myself, ‘This judge is ridiculous and I‘m going to jail for the rest of my life.’ It was more like, ‘Treat him with respect and he’ll be fair.’" "“I didn't feel any bias in there, like he took it personally or anything,” he added. “He wasn’t like, ‘Oh you guys were so reckless and you deserve to be punished for what you did. There was none of that. It was ‘just the facts.’” *** Defendant Anna Gristina (also known as the "Soccer Mom Madam") was sentenced to five years of probation and time served — she had already spent four months in New York City's Rikers Island jail — for felony promotion of prostitution, even though the charge carried a maximum sentence of seven years. Whole Gristina said she wasn't personally a fan of Merchan and that the ordeal left her "emotionally drained and financially drained," that the sentence was also "the first vacation [she]'d had in 40 years." www.rawstory.com/merhcan-defendants-toughness-sentencing-depends-respect/
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naby64
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Jun 25, 2014 21:44:13 GMT
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Post by naby64 on Jun 1, 2024 13:23:05 GMT
New person snoozed this morning. Why you ask? They posted a meme "do you remember how you felt when the second plane hit? That's what you should feel now." I've tried to stay away and not comment on anyone's posts. This one did me in. I jumped right on and said nope, not even close! People lost their lives in the towers. Nobody died from this conviction. Yet. Then promptly snoozed her.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Jun 1, 2024 13:45:14 GMT
New person snoozed this morning. Why you ask? They posted a meme "do you remember how you felt when the second plane hit? That's what you should feel now." I've tried to stay away and not comment on anyone's posts. This one did me in. I jumped right on and said nope, not even close! People lost their lives in the towers. Nobody died from this conviction. Yet. Then promptly snoozed her. I bet this person once joked about drinking liberal tears. Remember when those "hilarious" jokes were all the rage with MAGA crowd? I can't believe anyone could even make that comparison. His followers all need psychiatric help.
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Post by gracieplusthree on Jun 1, 2024 15:11:10 GMT
I just wish I thought he'd actually do any time behind bars. And really wish he no longer could run for President.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 1, 2024 15:53:45 GMT
They had an isolation trailer ready for him out on Rikers... Easily secured with he in one bed room, secret service in another, both attached to a smallish 'interrogation' type room, table and chairs, to be used for whatever!!
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seaexplore
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Post by seaexplore on Jun 2, 2024 23:48:54 GMT
My DH said that he saw a meme on fb that said - “He was wrongly convicted but I still follow Jesus and this is the same.” I was like - oh I know where this meme is going 😂
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 16, 2024 0:49:46 GMT
That’s what I was afraid would happen holy }%^>. I mean we all know he is guilty and this is the lesser I think if the crimes he has comically but dang. I figured there would be at least a few not guilties, but in some afterward news coverage, they said the charges are not stacked and that all 34 charges were the same, so it was like 1 charge. If they were all the same, then I can then see why they were all guilty. Not exactly. The charges are related but there were 34 separate charges. There were 11 individual checks, so 11 charges for the checks alone. The AP article has the information on each of the 34 charges. The convictions on all of the charges is more likely a reflection of the amount of evidence provided - documents, witnesses etc. www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-countsInvoices for legal services Guilty on 11 of 11 charges Checks paid for legal services Guilty on 11 of 11 charges Ledger entries for legal expenses Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
apnews.com/the-charges-against-donald-trump-0000018fc468d0cbad8fcdfc93480000Invoice TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2017 Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust Guilty The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.
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snyder
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Post by snyder on Jun 16, 2024 1:02:39 GMT
I figured there would be at least a few not guilties, but in some afterward news coverage, they said the charges are not stacked and that all 34 charges were the same, so it was like 1 charge. If they were all the same, then I can then see why they were all guilty. Not exactly. The charges are related but there were 34 separate charges. There were 11 individual checks, so 11 charges for the checks alone. The AP article has the information on each of the 34 charges. The convictions on all of the charges is more likely a reflection of the amount of evidence provided - documents, witnesses etc. www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-countsInvoices for legal services Guilty on 11 of 11 charges Checks paid for legal services Guilty on 11 of 11 charges Ledger entries for legal expenses Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
apnews.com/the-charges-against-donald-trump-0000018fc468d0cbad8fcdfc93480000Invoice TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2017 Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust Guilty The defendant, in the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.I realize that and clarified in another post I did not necessarily word my first post correctly. All counts were for the same thing, but as mention on 34 different occasions. But I still stick with what I posted.
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 16, 2024 1:11:56 GMT
Just one opinion, but a fairly convincing one from someone who attended the trial on why Trump was convicted on all counts. evidence
Lisa Rubin @lawofruby ICYMI, FIRST to @msnbc Think Trump was convicted without sufficient evidence? Think again. The Manhattan DA’s closing argument slides highlight just how much evidence of Trump’s guilt the DA compiled & presented:
www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/manhattan-da-bragg-closing-slides-trump-rcna157057Rather, it’s because the evidence collected and then presented at trial by the DA was not only extensive, but was interwoven together by the DA’s team to devastating effect.
How do I know? In part, it’s because I attended the trial all day, every day. But more importantly, it’s because I have now obtained — and am sharing with you — the 400-plus slides that the Manhattan DA’s office used in its hourslong closing argument to the jury.
From his own words, whether written or recorded, and his signature, on the one hand, to his pattern of phone calls right as other significant developments and communications unfolded, it was the weight and quality of the evidence that did Trump in with the 12 jurors.
Collectively, the slides illustrate the breadth and depth of the DA’s evidence. From his own words, whether written or recorded, and his signature, on the one hand, to his pattern of phone calls right as other significant developments and communications unfolded, it was the weight and quality of the evidence that did Trump in with the 12 jurors.
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 16, 2024 1:26:05 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 16, 2024 1:27:58 GMT
At least we would know his 'running mate' would be reasonably vetted!!
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 16, 2024 1:30:15 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Jun 16, 2024 1:35:33 GMT
She does a great job of putting events in a historical perspective and really zeroes in on the significance. She's written a lot more about Trump's 34 guilty charges, but here's one highlight. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/may-30-2024Republican senators could have convicted Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors in 2021. In that year, the House impeached him after he tried to seize the presidency by instigating an attack on the U.S. Capitol and trying to rig the count of the electoral vote after Americans had elected Democrat Joe Biden.
Republican senators could have convicted Trump, but they acquitted him.
Today, twelve ordinary Americans did what Republican senators refused to do. They protected the rule of law and held Trump accountable for his attempt to rig an election.
Trump stared blankly ahead as the verdict was read. “Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty. Guilty.”
Trump has managed to escape accountability from the political system, but in a court of law, where prosecutors brought facts, witnesses were under oath, and jurors did not need him to keep them in positions of power, he lost.
Tonight, for the first time in our history, a former president of the United States is a convicted felon.
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