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Post by JustCallMeMommy on Jun 3, 2024 20:58:03 GMT
My first reaction was to wonder if he is talking to a group of chefs or people in a cooking contest. While I agree that fresh garlic is better, I find it a pain to deal with, so I keep fresh and jarred ( christine58 - jarlic cracked me up) handy. |
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Post by christine58 on Jun 3, 2024 20:59:31 GMT
My first reaction was to wonder if he is talking to a group of chefs or people in a cooking contest. While I agree that fresh garlic is better, I find it a pain to deal with, so I keep fresh and jarred ( christine58 - jarlic cracked me up) handy. to be honest, the first time I heard that term was on a Facebook video of somebody cooking. so now I use it all the time, the word not the jarlic. Lol |
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Post by peabay on Jun 3, 2024 21:00:17 GMT
Honestly? When I first read that, I was a jarred garlic user and he shamed me enough that I now use real garlic. And I think of him (and that statement) every time I mince garlic myself.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 3, 2024 21:02:04 GMT
First of all, he's a chef. Second, it's no different than all the peas here who turn up their noses at canned soup and shredded or grated cheese and are generally rude about it. (I don't disagree about grated Parmesan, but chicken breasts baked in cream of onion soup topped with crunchy fried onions is easy and tasty and I'll fight you, now what) Anyway, I dislike the jarred garlic and won't use it either, so I guess I get where he's coming from. Plus I always thought he was a bit of a dick (again, he's a chef), so I'm not going to take it personally. I think many of us probably feel slightly snobby inside about things we are passionate about. That is a very good comparison... I'll use my canned of whatever and whenever... lol.... but like before I don't give a crap what anyone says, I'll cook how I like.. I am a very basic cook. Basssssicccc as it gets. I agree fresh is best but like me it would be wasteful most of the time. I hate to cook. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2024 21:28:00 GMT
What if You don't like Garlic  What? Does.not.compute. 😂 |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2024 21:34:04 GMT
workingclassdog said: so I have no reaction to it. I would just be on my merry way. This is the part I find fascinating both where I saw it posted and here. How many people actually have such a negative knee jerk response. I am usually "on my merry way" about damn near everything. 
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2024 21:43:18 GMT
Lexica said: As for Anthony Bourdain’s statement, he should have taken the positive approach rather than the negative and accusatory approach. Did he really though? Was he just being dramatic and humorous about something that is true (fresh garlic being superior)? There are a lot of people in the F-your feelings crowd who say that we as a society have gotten too sensitive. Now I don't usually give them any attention because they want to tell racist or xenophobic things which we can all agree are horrifying. But this statement seems relatively benign. I mean it's garlic. Small potatoes. Why such a visceral reaction to it? I'm not calling your reaction visceral Lexica, I was thinking of other comments I read. But I quoted your post because you think he should have said this more sensitively. (I know you are a sensitive person and I appreciate that.) And I just don't think it rises to offensive level and I was surprised how many people on the social media post thought it did.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2024 21:46:46 GMT
Yes Zee! You said: I think many of us probably feel slightly snobby inside about things we are passionate about. Feels very human to me. I mean I would expect a chef to have strong opinions about that which he devoted his life. Likewise there are things I have strong opinions about too. And I believe, like you said, that everyone else does too. I don't want to stomp that passion out of people. |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2024 21:48:47 GMT
Honestly? When I first read that, I was a jarred garlic user and he shamed me enough that I now use real garlic. And I think of him (and that statement) every time I mince garlic myself. I definitely will too now.  |
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Post by naby64 on Jun 3, 2024 21:55:49 GMT
For those of you that don't like the smell of garlic on your hands after handling it ( lucyg I am lovingly talking to you) you can take your stainless steel knife and run cold water and rub the knife with your hands. No smell!! |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 3, 2024 22:05:06 GMT
What if You don't like Garlic What if you like it but it no longer likes you? I used to be able to tolerate it so much more but now it gives me unpleasant after effects so I avoid dishes with a lot of garlic in them now.  And this: I am so low on the cooking scale that I use garlic powder. He would probably faint at the idea. Because of my aforementioned affliction, we mostly use garlic powder and onion powder now instead in various recipes because they are a lot milder. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jun 3, 2024 22:16:18 GMT
Lexica said: As for Anthony Bourdain’s statement, he should have taken the positive approach rather than the negative and accusatory approach. Did he really though? Was he just being dramatic and humorous about something that is true (fresh garlic being superior)? There are a lot of people in the F-your feelings crowd who say that we as a society have gotten too sensitive. Now I don't usually give them any attention because they want to tell racist or xenophobic things which we can all agree are horrifying. But this statement seems relatively benign. I mean it's garlic. Small potatoes. Why such a visceral reaction to it? I'm not calling your reaction visceral Lexica, I was thinking of other comments I read. But I quoted your post because you think he should have said this more sensitively. (I know you are a sensitive person and I appreciate that.) And I just don't think it rises to offensive level and I was surprised how many people on the social media post thought it did. People really do get their panties in a wad now a days over little things. But then I am like okay why? Well...constant stream of info going at their brains all day. Overloaded with visuals they don't need to see. Never resting. Never sitting and just being so they are on edge and then snap at little things. Anthony B had a passion for food. For allowing food to be food without all the crap Americans love to add to it. Allowing flavors to melt together and bring each other front and center at various bites. Showing people that the best food is when it is food. Not over salted and tossed in sauces to get people to eat it. He taught us how to enjoy its flavors and it's simplicity. That is what I miss about him. And he was a take it or leave it kind of person. I enjoy people like that. True to who they are and how they think That brings me to a new point that so many people seemed to be worried about who they are to us. Their social media presence. Following the crowd. I dono... |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2024 22:40:10 GMT
We have talked about this before pantsonfire and that's why I wanted to discuss this. I have learned some things about myself. I absolutely don't mind at all someone posting their thoughts, a meme, a quote, a picture. Whatever. But the comments just get out of hand. That's exactly the point at which *I* get overwhelmed with social media. And I realized just a little bit of it recently. I removed all newspaper and magazine follows on my Facebook. Not because of the articles, because of the comments. Twitter and Threads just really need to go for me. And the more everyone talks about him, the more I think I ought to read one of his books. |
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Post by hopechest on Jun 3, 2024 22:48:56 GMT
Anthony Bourdain was not exactly known for delivering his thoughts and feelings in a pleasant manner. He said what he said and he meant what he said. . I can only assume he's talking from his privileged status to other privileged people. I can't imagine he would shame for someone just trying to get a meal. His death hit hard for me. I have a been a big fan of his for years. Kitchen Confidential is still one of my favorite books. That being said, I use fresh garlic, grate my own cheese and don't use canned soup 99% of the time. Sometimes life happens. If you like the jarred stuff, do you! It shouldn't matter what Anthony or I think. LOL |
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Post by AussieMeg on Jun 3, 2024 23:11:07 GMT
Without reading a single other post (and wondering how this thread is three pages long!  ), I will answer...... and then go back to read everyone else's thoughts. Garlic is indeed divine, and I use it in just about every meal I make. Fresh garlic is far superior, but yeah, I am too lazy to always peel fresh garlic. There are some dishes that absolutely require fresh garlic, both for taste, and when it needs to be sliced. But for 70% of the dishes I make? I'm going to open the jar of minced garlic in my fridge, and spoon it into the pan. And from now on when I do it, I'm going to shake my spoon in the air and shout "Fuck you Anthony Bourdain!" BTW, I love Anthony Bourdain, and miss his fabulous shows. ❤️ |
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jun 3, 2024 23:15:26 GMT
AussieMeg said: I'm going to open the jar of minced garlic in my fridge, and spoon it into the pan. And from now on when I do it, I'm going to shake my spoon in the air and shout "Fuck you Anthony Bourdain!" Literally choked on my watermelon. 😂
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Post by imkat on Jun 3, 2024 23:51:27 GMT
When I was growing up, the only option we had was Garlic Salt!
In my 20s, I started using garlic cloves and a garlic press, but was too much of a pain to peel the garlic and clean the press.
Now I use jarlic whenever I am cooking something--tastes great to me. But when I'm using it in something uncooked like salad dressing, I try to use fresh garlic whenever possible.
My daughter bought fresh peeled garlic cloves in the produce section, which seems like a great compromise.
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Post by Lexica on Jun 4, 2024 0:09:27 GMT
Lexica said: As for Anthony Bourdain’s statement, he should have taken the positive approach rather than the negative and accusatory approach. Did he really though? Was he just being dramatic and humorous about something that is true (fresh garlic being superior)? There are a lot of people in the F-your feelings crowd who say that we as a society have gotten too sensitive. Now I don't usually give them any attention because they want to tell racist or xenophobic things which we can all agree are horrifying. But this statement seems relatively benign. I mean it's garlic. Small potatoes. Why such a visceral reaction to it? I'm not calling your reaction visceral Lexica, I was thinking of other comments I read. But I quoted your post because you think he should have said this more sensitively. (I know you are a sensitive person and I appreciate that.) And I just don't think it rises to offensive level and I was surprised how many people on the social media post thought it did. I didn’t find it offensive in any way, and I certainly didn’t have a strong reaction to it. I just prefer a positive statement to a negative one, especially when comparing two things. Build up the qualities of one and let people draw from that that you don’t like the other product. Both achieve the same goal. I just prefer positivity since there is more than enough negativity around. I believe it affects people when they deal with so many negative statements coming at them. Especially when a positive one would accomplish the same goal. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Jun 4, 2024 4:10:16 GMT
I'm Italian. There must be three forms of garlic available at any time in my kitchen. Clove, jar, and in the freezer in pesto cubes.
Each has a sacred place in my heart.
Edited to add: always always buy fresh garlic where you can see some of the roots below. The other is possibly from China and has bleach and other chemicals added. *not all garlic without roots is Chinese, but if there are roots- it's not Chinese.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 4, 2024 8:04:10 GMT
Getting off topic a bit... I mostly use fresh garlic and buy it when I need it, but I do keep powdered and garlic salt in the spice rack as well. But this one time I was shopping with my mother and I was about to buy garlic and they had 4 different types of bulbs based on where it was grown, and I joking said to my mother "so many types of garlic! I don't know what the difference is" and this other lady overheard and said "sorry for interrupting, but I heard you talking about the garlic, I was in China recently and saw it being grown and they were fertilizing it with human sewerage...that thought you'd like to know"  OK, yes thank-you, that's important information! so the much more expensive garlic grown in Australia became the obvious choice. I think that piece of information might have swayed Bourdain's opinion of fresh ALWAYS being better... |
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Post by SallyPA on Jun 4, 2024 12:49:15 GMT
I totally agree and you may use fresh. But, if I am not cooking, other people can use whatever they like- jarlic is better than no garlic!
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Post by worrywart on Jun 4, 2024 13:27:49 GMT
I love this quote and this conversation because it just reminds me that words on a screen (or text) can come across differently than possibly intended. I would love to find a video of Anthony actually saying this to see if he had a twinkle in his eye or an angry look! I think that there actually may be more to the quote which softens it a bit.
Garlic is divine. Few food items can taste so many distinct ways, handled correctly. Misuse of garlic is a crime...Please, treat your garlic with respect...Avoid at all costs that vile spew you see rotting in oil in screwtop jars. Too lazy to peel fresh? You don't deserve to eat garlic.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 4, 2024 13:29:59 GMT
We have talked about this before pantsonfire and that's why I wanted to discuss this. I have learned some things about myself. I absolutely don't mind at all someone posting their thoughts, a meme, a quote, a picture. Whatever. But the comments just get out of hand. That's exactly the point at which *I* get overwhelmed with social media. And I realized just a little bit of it recently. I removed all newspaper and magazine follows on my Facebook. Not because of the articles, because of the comments. Twitter and Threads just really need to go for me. And the more everyone talks about him, the more I think I ought to read one of his books. you should read at least one of his books, and try to find his show somewhere. He was so passionate about food, travel, and talking with the people who cooked / ate local foods. Not just 'restaurant' and 'chef' food, but LOCAL people and food. One of the episodes that comes to mind is Spain, I think? or somewhere in South America... (somewhere they eat a lot of meat, that I do remember.) He's out in the country, and they're grilling onions over an open fire. And eating them- such a SIMPLE thing, but SOOO tasty. You could just see it - the passion- in his conversations with people, whether it was street food in the middle of the night in a Japanese city, or a restaurant meal cooked by a famous chef. His death hit me hard, too, and I don't even like to cook myself- I just really enjoyed watching his show, both the traveling and the passions he shared with the people to whom he spoke. ETA: to the original quote- knowing it was him, that is just how he was. Being controversial was sort of his stock in trade. I use both fresh and jarred, but more often jarred or powder, because I don't like how sticky fresh garlic is. And I agree with you about comments on articles- I don't bother reading them, unless it's specifically for the enjoyment or to roll my eyes and remind myself how sh!tty people can be when they're behind a keyboard. |
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Post by RosieKat on Jun 4, 2024 14:44:27 GMT
It's textbook Bourdain, IMO.
Having said that, he's not really wrong.
And having said that, I use both. Some recipes it doesn't seem to matter as much, so if I'm in a hurry or having an "I don't feel like cooking" night, I'll use the jarred. If it matters, or if I'm not in a rush, I use fresh. And fresh is definitely better.
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Post by anaterra on Jun 5, 2024 0:04:10 GMT
My reaction when i 1st clicked on was ehhh so i didn't comment because i didn't have a strong reaction either way....
Now i had to come back to see why it's 3 pages and what the controversy is...
Im not a fan of bourdain... i use fresh cloves of garlic... i use minced jarlic... but mine is in a squeeze bottle not jar.. lol i also use garlic powder...
Still ehhh about that quote.... but i do think it's funny that in will probably think about this every single time i use any garlic!!! Lmao
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 5, 2024 18:42:58 GMT
I could not care less how people use garlic. I'm not a chef. Not a hill for me to die on.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 5, 2024 19:10:31 GMT
(3) I’m a lazy cook and no matter how many of you claim it’s faster to peel and smash fresh than open the refrigerator door … yeah, no. 1000% agree. I have arthritis issues. I'm not going to waste my energy peeling and smashing garlic.
Did he really though? Was he just being dramatic and humorous about something that is true (fresh garlic being superior)? I know nothing about Anthony Bordain besides he was a chef who died. I thought it sounded snobbish but that was his expertise. I can understand how he could feel passionate about that subject but I dismissed the comment.
I removed all newspaper and magazine follows on my Facebook. Not because of the articles, because of the comments. I removed myself from Facebook because of the comments. I realized the issue was me. I let the negativity get to me and couldn't find a balance. |
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Post by busy on Jun 5, 2024 19:25:59 GMT
And the more everyone talks about him, the more I think I ought to read one of his books. I liked Medium Raw the best. Which I don't think is a popular choice but I enjoyed the more mature and reflective (but still irreverent) Bourdain. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jun 5, 2024 19:52:53 GMT
We have talked about this before pantsonfire and that's why I wanted to discuss this. I have learned some things about myself. I absolutely don't mind at all someone posting their thoughts, a meme, a quote, a picture. Whatever. But the comments just get out of hand. That's exactly the point at which *I* get overwhelmed with social media. And I realized just a little bit of it recently. I removed all newspaper and magazine follows on my Facebook. Not because of the articles, because of the comments. Twitter and Threads just really need to go for me. And the more everyone talks about him, the more I think I ought to read one of his books. A lot of it too is click bait. They know they are going to ruffle feathers and post to get traffic to their page (Twitter and IG are the worst). I check FB maybe once a day. I go straight to my Le Creuset group and that is it. I may post a photo every so often or look through my FB memories. But I am on FB for no more than 5 minutes. I have done a lot of blocking on IG and have weeded out follows. My time has really been limited there too. I still post occasionally and more for memories. I haven't joined threads. I do enjoy TT but I go straight to my Following section and it is either cooking or dog content. So it is a very controlled happy. |
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Post by melanell on Jun 5, 2024 22:21:09 GMT
I've never used garlic in a jar, so I have no idea if he's right or not, but it's certainly a quote I could see people taking as judgmental, even if it was meant to be read in more a humorously sarcastic vibe. So for me it's a "meh" that leans towards it being not necessary to have said it, if that makes any sense.
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