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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 7, 2024 8:49:41 GMT
Especially things that make us shake our heads now.
One of the biggest ones I think about is how smoking was so widespread and normalized. It happened everywhere, everyday. Didn't matter if kids were right there. Or even nonsmoking adults. In restaurants, malls, in a closed car, everywhere. Smokers always had "the right of way" so to speak.
I remember even as a young adult, when I had my first baby, and having to argue with my elders that, no, they couldn't smoke while holding my infant.
Now our society isn't amenable to people smoking everywhere. And it is a given to not smoke around children.
But back then.... Damn.
What is your It was normal back then?
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2024 8:55:29 GMT
No seat belts in cars. It doesn’t bear thinking about now.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jul 7, 2024 9:10:40 GMT
When I was a student at the University of Chicago it seemed everybody was some kind of interesting, eccentric smoker. It just seems like the thing to do was study organic chemistry or Kant while sucking on a cigarette. I started college in 1993 so we were well past the time when smoking was known to be harmful. We just didn't care. I had dabbled around with it in high school but in college it really became an addiction. One that would plague me for over 30 years. Today is day #83 that I have not had a cigarette. It's hard. It's still hard. I still want to smoke.
I am thinking about how it always seemed my parents didn't want us around. Unless it was raining they were like get outside. No such things as sitting indoors. I felt like they couldn't stand me. I still feel like they can't stand me. But they seemed so absorbed in their own lives, I felt like we were an intrusion. So get outside. Stay outside. They had no fucking clue where we were most of the time.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2024 9:32:24 GMT
As gillyp said - seat belts. We often left to drive to our vacations early in the morning with me and my sister asleep on the back seat with pillows and blankets and so vulnerable! Speaking of blankets - duvets weren't really a high until the 70s I guess. My Nan was advised to start smoking by her doctor as a relaxant to help with the stress of her husband being away in the war and being at home with 3 kids
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2024 9:39:26 GMT
My Nan was advised to start smoking by her doctor as a relaxant to help with the stress of her husband being away in the war and being at home with 3 kids Our GPs used to smoke in the consulting rooms when I was a child!
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2024 9:42:24 GMT
My Nan was advised to start smoking by her doctor as a relaxant to help with the stress of her husband being away in the war and being at home with 3 kids Our GPs used to smoke in the consulting rooms when I was a child! Shaking my head....how times change!
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 7, 2024 10:15:34 GMT
Oh gawd, smoking..... When we were in Year 12, in 1985, we were allowed to smoke at school, but only in the Year 12 block so the younger kids couldn't see us. I mean, we'd been smoking in the toilets and on the oval since Year 8, so I guess the teachers figured it was a losing battle.
Then when I started work, we were allowed to smoke at our desks in the office. Those poor non-smokers! How selfish we were! And my dad would smoke in the car when we were all in the car. Gross! But... it was normal back then.
I don't remember not having to wear a seatbelt. Seatbelts became mandatory in Australia in 1971, when I was only 4yo. We got a new car not long after that, and it had seatbelts. But, when we went to visit our grandparents 7 hours away. I was allowed to sleep in the footwell of the back seat. Mum would set up a little bed there for me. It was awesome!
My best friend and I would head off on our bikes and be gone for hours. Our parents had no idea where we were. We walked to school from Prep (Kinder). I didn't let my daughter walk home from school until about grade 5! And then I told her to be careful when she was walking past the reserve (in case a bogey man was hiding in the bushes I guess).
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2024 10:30:19 GMT
I don't remember not having to wear a seatbelt. Seatbelts became mandatory in Australia in 1971, when I was only 4yo. We got a new car not long after that, and it had seatbelts. But, when we went to visit our grandparents 7 hours away. I was allowed to sleep in the footwell of the back seat. Mum would set up a little bed there for me. It was awesome! Seatbelts didn't become mandatory in the UK until 1983! I was 22 by then! I can remember my Dad being furious about it
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 7, 2024 10:47:12 GMT
My Nan was advised to start smoking by her doctor as a relaxant to help with the stress of her husband being away in the war and being at home with 3 kids Our GPs used to smoke in the consulting rooms when I was a child! A few years ago there was an exhibit in the Smithsonian American History museum about advertisements for smoking, "More Doctors Smoke Camels". It showed ads from back in the smoking era that showed which brands were favored by doctors. I remember going there with my son's stepdaughter when she was maybe 10 or so, and she was totally shocked. "But smoking is disgusting!" she said, and "DOCTORS said it was okay? ?" lol.
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 7, 2024 10:55:39 GMT
Just off the top of my head: -- smoking -- no seatbelts -- we used to put a bunch of kids in the back of a station wagon and drive off -- no safety things at playgrounds -- no mulch or the "rubbery" stuff that cushions underneath the various equipment today. In Pittsburgh we had "blue slide park" and we used to FLY down that slide with only concrete on either side of it all the way down the hill. (google it, it's a well-know playground but now of course it has safety in mind, even though the original blue slide is still there) -- kids allowed to be gone all day with no contact with parents -- in the summer we used to make a cheese sandwich (with slices of American cheese, on white bread) or PB&J, and head off. We would hang out in Frick Park (see my blue slide park just above), sometimes deep in the woods, on our own. No such thing as cell phones back then so we were completely out of touch with any adult. -- as kids, carrying a nickel in our shoe in case we needed a pay phone -- clunky metal roller skates, with the key around our neck -- no air conditioning -- winters with real snow, several feet of it regularly
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Post by Tearisci on Jul 7, 2024 11:03:51 GMT
Riding in the back of pickup trucks. No helmets when riding bikes or skates. Roaming around the neighborhood for hours to "blow the stink off" as my dad would say.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2024 11:14:04 GMT
Climbing the ropes to the ceiling of the school gym with no mats under us!
Definitely roaming around all day and arriving back home when we thought it was dinner time.
Sticking my head out of the window of a train. My mother let me wander all over the train by myself. Likewise the ferry boat.
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Post by dawnnikol on Jul 7, 2024 11:19:58 GMT
Today is day #83 that I have not had a cigarette. Just wanted to highlight that this is such an accomplishment. My Dad says he's been smoking "since he was 4". He quit for a 12 year stretch and then started back again and hasn't quit. It makes it hard to be around him sometimes, honestly, because the smoke smell triggers headaches for me. My parents were young when they had me and car seats weren't a thing. They smoked everywhere they went. I had no boundaries of places to go/stay when I was out on my bike until the streetlights came on.
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Post by disneypal on Jul 7, 2024 12:12:28 GMT
They allowed kids to smoke at our high school. There was a designated spot in the back of the school, it was like a covered deck. Your parents had to sign a permission slip, but no one checked them if you were out back smoking. I didn’t smoke but my brother did (parents did sign the slip) so we sometimes hung out back there. Your age didn’t matter, because there wasn’t an age restriction on buying them back then. Hard to believe they’d let kids do that now.
We neighborhood kids used to walk up to a convenience store when we were in elementary school. It was about a mile away. Our parents would give us a dollar or two & we’d buy candy and/or Icee’s. Sometimes my neighbor’s dad would give her extra money to buy him a pack of cigarettes (she was like 8 years old). She’d buy them along with her candy cigarettes and no one thought a thing about it. Once a pick up drove by and the guy flashed us. We called the cops when we got home, but I remember we were still allowed to walk to the store - guess the police and our parents didn’t think the guy lived in the area so it would be ok. Luckily we were.
Not only did we not wear seatbelts. My sister would stand up in the front seats between my parents and I would often lay on the back dash of the car to work on my tan as we would ride.
Speaking of tans, we’d slather up with baby oil & lie in our backyard in the hottest part of the day on our silver reflective blankets to get tans. Sometimes our moms would lie out there with us. I remember my neighbor’s mom using that Hawaiian Tropic oil because we loved the smell.
The neighborhood kids would all hang out all day in the summer & after we finished homework during the school year. All the parents knew all the kids and depending were we were, we’d go inside each others houses to get some water & cool off a little. We drank Kool-aid water from the faucet because the only bottled water then was Perrier and no one bought water then. Heck, sometimes we didn’t want to go inside so we drank water from the hose outside.
We’d play games like Red Rover, Mother May I & 1-2-3 Red Light. Or we’d all ride bikes, skate or ride skateboards (no helmets, no elbow or knee pads). Kids were out playing all the time.
I never see kids outside playing in the neighborhood now, I don’t know if the kids really even know each other now, it’s kind of sad that they miss out. If they do play outside, it’s because their parents took them to the park. I have never seen kids riding bikes in my neighborhood where I now live.
Our parents all knew each other & socialized (cook outs, trips to the lake to ride in one of their boats, or sit outside in lawn chairs & smoke while watching the kids play in the sprinklers or play lawn darts. Seems they don’t do things like that now, at least not in my neighborhood.
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Post by lisae on Jul 7, 2024 12:13:56 GMT
Not only was there no seat belt use but we used to ride short distances in the back of the pickup. Sometimes my dad would pick me up at the neighbors and go the short distance to our house with me sitting on the back tailgate, my feet dangling off.
Also we had a van, like a VW but a different brand, that had part of the engine in a compartment between the 2 front seats. My seat was on that compartment. I sat cross legged on this yellow detached cushion, absolutely nothing to hold me in place. If we had had an accident, that cushion would have been a flying carpet sailing me right through the windshield.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2024 12:18:15 GMT
Clackers! Those hard plastic balls with cord that joined them to a central ring to be clacked around your wrist. Until there was one too many broken wrist bones 😊
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Post by compeateropeator on Jul 7, 2024 12:21:18 GMT
Yes this. It was go outside and play. Mine was mostly at my babysitters because I was an only child for 10 years and we lived on a dirt road with no other kids close. But we definitely were outside unless the weather was bad. We had to come back for lunch or whatever, but were way more free range than most kids are these days.
It was was same with highschool. We were out running the roads and doing whatever with no cellphones, trackers, etc. Once we left with the car no one knew where we went unless you ran into people who knew you. Of course the downside of a small town, someone always knew you and always saw you when you were where you shouldn’t be. 😄😆
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Post by buddysmom on Jul 7, 2024 12:31:17 GMT
When I was young, probably under five, I wouldn't be able to see outside the windshield of the car while in the back seat. So I stood on the hump to look out while my parents were driving at 60 mph. No seatbelts then. I'm not sure if they had them (mid 60's) but probably most people didn't use them.
In the early 70's (?) we would hook the seatbelts in back of us instead of using them to protect us. I probably started using seatbelts in the early/mid 80s. About a week after, I was rear-ended slightly. I was not hurt but I had just bought a big unfired ceramic vase to paint. It was in my trunk and was basically just crumbs after that.
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Post by compeateropeator on Jul 7, 2024 12:54:18 GMT
There are so many and the older I get the more there are. 😆. My niece and nephew love to let me know we are no longer in the olden days.
- no helmets skiing. You had your skis strapped onto your leg. When you wiped out and your bindings released they were flailing all round hitting you as you were bouncing/sliding over the snow…without the helmet. Skiing (or should I say falling) wasn’t for the faint of heart.
- no bike helmets
- You could get your drivers permit at 15, had to drive with someone over 18. You could get your license at 16. You were immediately fully licensed…No restrictions.
- Drinking age was 18. For our graduation there was one big party in a field with a generator, band, kegs, pig roast, and police. People stayed over. It was attended by past, current , and future graduates…1 big big party for all.
-Cash. Everything was cash. I didn’t get my own credit card or checking account until I went to college. There were no such things as debit cards. You got a paper paycheck that you had to go to the bank and cash.
We could go back and forth across the Canadian border with just our regular liscense.
Games were all board/cards/dice, or physical. To play video games you had to go to the arcade.
Media news was done by listening on the radio, seeing it on TV, reading it in a paper or magazine, or hearing about it at school. We had 3 channels and a 2 PBS stations.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 7, 2024 13:18:55 GMT
-Cash. Everything was cash. I didn’t get my own credit card or checking account until I went to college. There were no such things as debit cards. You got a paper paycheck that you had to go to the bank and cash. Women couldn’t open a bank account in their own name here until 1975!! I was married, was a joint home owner, could vote but not allowed a bank account in my own name!
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Post by Linda on Jul 7, 2024 13:21:04 GMT
Oh gawd, smoking..... When we were in Year 12, in 1985, we were allowed to smoke at school, but only in the Year 12 block so the younger kids couldn't see us. I mean, we'd been smoking in the toilets and on the oval since Year 8, so I guess the teachers figured it was a losing battle. We had a smoking patio for students in my high school (I graduated in 1988). I do always remember using seatbelts - although my father refused to (he had survived a wreck in Korea by being thrown free) he did require us to use them. I do know they took me home from the hospital in a carry cot not a car seat though. But I have photos of me in a carseat from 1972. I also have pictures of my sister in a "carseat" in 1975 - in my American Granny's car - it was just a little seat that hooked over the back of the front seat. My parents let me travel from the US to England by myself at 16 - I did have relatives to stay with but they didn't supervise me (they provided a bed - in fact my sister was actually in Germany much of my visit) and I rode buses and trains and walked all over the place by myself. I had a wonderful time. No cell phones, no credit cards, I had travellers cheques.
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Post by melanell on Jul 7, 2024 13:27:00 GMT
No seat belts in cars. It doesn’t bear thinking about now. And children/infant car seats as well. My parents did their best and used to tie down a plastic baby feeding chair to the car seat when we were little, (or try to run a belt around/through it somehow once we had cars with belts) and they put the baby in there, as opposed to carrying them on a lap, but in a crash--well, it would not have been a good situation. Kind of seat I mean, in case anyone can't picture it: My dad was a volunteer firefighter, EMT, & drove ambulances for awhile, so as soon as we had cars with belts we had to wear them. He'd seen too many accidents in his time. BUT, in a contradictory move, on long trips we were always allowed to have one or two kids just sitting/lying down in the "back-back" of the vehicle--whether it was a station wagon, or my dad's preferred vehicle for many, many years--the Jeep Wagoneer. So if you sat in an actual seat--wear that belt! But otherwise it was fine to bump all around the back of the vehicle like a piece of luggage.
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Post by GiantsFan on Jul 7, 2024 13:30:57 GMT
Today is day #83 that I have not had a cigarette. It's hard. It's still hard. I still want to smoke. Yay!
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Post by melanell on Jul 7, 2024 13:34:11 GMT
Today is day #83 that I have not had a cigarette. It's hard. It's still hard. I still want to smoke. I can remember how hard it was for my dad when he quit smoking. It took him several attempts, but I was just thinking yesterday about how many decades it's now been since he smoked, and how much healthier he probably is today because he kept trying to do so. I wish you the best!
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Post by smasonnc on Jul 7, 2024 13:44:45 GMT
They allowed kids to smoke at our high school. There was a designated spot in the back of the school, it was like a covered deck. We debated whether or not we should support this in the County Council of Student Councils (AKA Palm Beach County Nerdfest) because school bathrooms were so filled with smoke. Unless it was raining they were like get outside. We were feral, roaming the neighborhood all day and going to anyone's house without our parents having a clue. It was perfectly fine for guys to make pervy comments about women's bodies. My boss used to say, "Don't strain your boobies," and passed me over for a promotion in favor of a part-time guy because I was married. The assistant superintendent of schools said I had nice t*ts.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 7, 2024 14:03:48 GMT
When seat belts became an option, I didn't wear one, until the day I saw a coworker in an accident on the way to work. After that, I ALWAYS have a seat belt on.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 7, 2024 14:06:57 GMT
Latch key kids. In the late 70s I was walking home from school in first grade and home by myself for a few hours before my parents got home from work.
Now kids don’t play in the front yard without parents watching.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 7, 2024 14:15:56 GMT
When I was a student at the University of Chicago it seemed everybody was some kind of interesting, eccentric smoker. It just seems like the thing to do was study organic chemistry or Kant while sucking on a cigarette. I started college in 1993 so we were well past the time when smoking was known to be harmful. We just didn't care. I had dabbled around with it in high school but in college it really became an addiction. One that would plague me for over 30 years. Today is day #83 that I have not had a cigarette. It's hard. It's still hard. I still want to smoke. I am thinking about how it always seemed my parents didn't want us around. Unless it was raining they were like get outside. No such things as sitting indoors. I felt like they couldn't stand me. I still feel like they can't stand me. But they seemed so absorbed in their own lives, I felt like we were an intrusion. So get outside. Stay outside. They had no fucking clue where we were most of the time.I remember this as a young child, even. Like, 7 years old.
During summer, the second it was 7:00 AM, my younger brother and I would meet up with my best friend and her sister, walk five miles along busy roads to a community pool, swim until 3 pm when the pool closed for adult laps, and walked the five miles back home. We usually didn't have any money, or just some change between us. We would drink water from the free water fountain, but skip lunch.
But it was totally normal then. Everyone in my neighborhood was either like that, or they had helicopter parent/grandparent watching them and weren't barely allowed outside other than to be taken to their competitive, expensive sports and/or dance classes.
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Post by gar on Jul 7, 2024 14:16:56 GMT
Latch key kids. In the late 70s I was walking home from school in first grade and home by myself for a few hours before my parents got home from work. Now kids don’t play in the front yard without parents watching. And the question is always - is there really more danger nowadays or were we just not as aware of it because no internet etc?
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 7, 2024 14:31:58 GMT
No bike helmets No internet. No mobile phones DUI laws were much more lax
In the summer, our parents expected us to go outside and stay there. There were no official sports teams. If a bunch of kids decided to play softball, 2 kids were chosen as captains, and they picked their teams. If you weren’t good, you were picked last. My poor dad spent hours tossing a ball to me until I could slam it.
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