Edited- It could get worse but now Biden has Covid

Fuck the polls and the media.

From Mueller:

Exactly. Polls mean literally nothing these days. I will not answer an email, text message or Facebook post about who am I voting for or if I support anyone. The one time I did, I got bombarded by emails and texts. So I refuse to answer them now. If they didn't require my email or phone number, then maybe. But they've all required it that I've seen.

My DH also.  His current stance is he just won't vote.   

Polls have been proven to be ineffective in determining who the leader is. Just look at Clinton Vs Trump. She was leading. Republicans want us feeling hopeless. Hopeless people stay home and don't vote. I am voting Democrat, whether it's Biden or someone else. I would be perfectly fine with a Harris/Buttigieg ticket if it came to that. I would also be fine with whoever ended up as the Democratic nominee. I will never, NEVER vote Republican. And a 3rd party candidate favors Trump so hell no to that.

We are voting to protect our democracy, not voting for a candidate. If you want to protect our democracy and life as we know it, then vote Democrat. If you read Project 2025 and like what you see, then by all means vote Republican or 3rd party. But don't bitch about it when you see how horrible that decision was.

Genuine question …. Better to vote 3rd party or not vote at all?  To me it seems like one in the same?

We live in a blue state (WA) so it's not going to matter either way. If we lived in a swing state or one that split the electoral votes it would be different.   

But as good as any of them might be, they’d still be coming in very late to the game considering Trump has been literally fundraising for the last 3+ years already. And then what happens to the millions already committed to Biden’s campaign? Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve read only Harris can use it and only if she’s at the top of the ticket. If someone else is the presidential nominee it’s a whole new campaign and those funds can’t be easily funneled to it.

He is okay with Trump winning.  That's what a protest vote means. "I don't care enough about one of the possible outcomes to do whatever it takes to *prevent* it from happening." So to be fair, he would also be okay with the Democrat winning. Which tells me primarily, he doesn't believe his life will be affected by who wins or loses; there is no personal consequences to this protest. And what might happen to other people, doesn't matter either.  Even people close to him, like you, since all sorts of women's issues and basic healthcare will be impacted.  Not nice to hear, but we've all read enough around here about non-political situations where a person's close friend or family don't "get" their suffering, and how they should react.

Chris Hayes is now on MSNBC, but 20 years ago during the Bush / Kerry campaign he was just a freelancer and wrote about undecided voters he experienced while canvassing, and the takeaway for me is how disconnected undecideds are from the world at large.  Cause and effect; big picture type stuff.  And an extreme pessimism, which we often hear.  But given what's happened since, a whole ton of metrics can improve, not by a little but by a lot, and it's all reframed as statistical lies and didn't really happen. That goes beyond pessimism, and back to the "disconnection."

Here's an archived link to his old blog post. The blog still exists, but it gives a security error because it was written before the https protocol.

archive.is/V3sbx

Although, at this point... definitely one of his conclusions, Democrats need to be more focused on values and character, I think has been proven to be false. While some people say character matters, when push comes to shove, it was simply an excuse to justify what they wanted for other reasons.  The second, get people to care about issues again... well that's where the reaction to Project 2025 comes in.  For these "undecideds" I don't think even this will resonate, unless someone is really upset that the NOAA weather reports about hurricanes and other big weather events would cease.  Make it extremely personal.  Otherwise, they will simply retreat into their "nothing ever really changes" worldview, which means all of this is reacting over something that will never actually happen.  It may be resonating with people who weren't paying attention at all, and didn't realize they wrote it all down, and are actually quite serious about these proposals; not just stump speeches.  But until we start seeing a lot more movement in things like voter registration, and some polling... people get upset about lots of things without ever being motivated to prevent it.

So while there is such a thing as an undecided voter, the way the media and campaigns fawn over them as some sort of bastion of moderate, rational virtue, IMO is entirely underserved.  Our future is way to important to leave it to the extremely pessimistic and disconnected sliver of humanity.

Which is exactly why I don’t put much faith in polls. A poll can be skewed in a hundred different ways based on how the questions are worded, who chooses to respond (or not), etc. I choose to look at what has happened in recent elections. Democrats have prevailed, abortion rights measures that make it to the ballot are passing, etc. Those are things that give me a little hope because they are concrete, measurable data.

It must suck to have covid while being repeatedly stabbed in the back.

The dems don’t play around.

^Truth

Listen, typically Biden isn't on my side of the aisle. However, I feel it shameful how he is being treated at the moment.  It makes me incredibly sad.

As we are talking about polls, etc, let me tell you what is happening in my household. I am a democrat, and I keep getting Trump texts..I AM DONALD TRUMP AND I WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN. FEAR NOT.. STAND WITH ME TODAY. Caps are from the text, not from me.

My brother who is a Republican gets stuff from Biden, not daily, but multiple times a day. So, why are they wasting their breath sending to the people who in a million years won’t vote for them?

I received a text from trump's team, and I wrote back that "trump is a crap weasel." Never heard back from them.

I have friends posting this...