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Post by katlady on Aug 2, 2024 19:10:11 GMT
Did any of you see the clip from the Daily Show where they put Obama’s face over Shapiro because they say Shapiro speaks like Obama does. It was pretty funny and he did have a speech mannerism like Obama.
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Post by jill8909 on Aug 2, 2024 20:20:26 GMT
trump's STILL ahead in PA, which is sickening. So I guess she goes with Shapiro because she has to have those votes.
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Post by jill8909 on Aug 2, 2024 20:27:43 GMT
Elizabeth Allen is a former communications person for Obama. Harris is starting to bring in a lot of Obama people. They won with an unknown african american with a funny name and very little experience. So.........good move~~
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 2, 2024 21:51:51 GMT
I’m still hoping for Kelly. I think Shapiro will be polarizing within the party due to his stance on Israel.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 2, 2024 22:07:05 GMT
I’m still hoping for Kelly. I think Shapiro will be polarizing within the party due to his stance on Israel. I worry about this, too especially since the rift in the Democratic Party over Gaza has been partially and temporarily suspended. However, I worry more about losing Kelly's seat in the senate, even though it won't happen for a year or two. |
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Post by MorningPerson on Aug 2, 2024 22:16:06 GMT
I’m still hoping for Kelly. I think Shapiro will be polarizing within the party due to his stance on Israel. I haven’t been able to fact check this, but from what I’ve heard more than once all the top VP contenders have much the same stance on Israel, but Shapiro happens to be the only Jew. 😡 |
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 2, 2024 22:30:17 GMT
Very smart to choose someone from State as a chief of staff. The VP choice will likely need to get up to speed on foreign policy. |
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Post by sunshine on Aug 2, 2024 22:56:04 GMT
Elizabeth Allen is a former communications person for Obama. Harris is starting to bring in a lot of Obama people. They won with an unknown african american with a funny name and very little experience. So.........good move~~ Obama’s getting the band back together, huh? Makes sense since he hand picked her. 🤔🙄 |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 2, 2024 23:16:27 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 3, 2024 0:14:04 GMT
oops on the possible leak
Sounds like some conservatives have not gotten over the fact that President Obama won election not just once but twice. And he had a much higher favorability rating than fat Elvis, the former guy whose glory days are behind him.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 3, 2024 0:21:17 GMT
I’m still hoping for Kelly. I think Shapiro will be polarizing within the party due to his stance on Israel. I haven’t been able to fact check this, but from what I’ve heard more than once all the top VP contenders have much the same stance on Israel, but Shapiro happens to be the only Jew. 😡 I'm not sure this is true. I think Shapiro is more pro-Israel than some of the other candidates. www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2024/08/01/why-walz-s-vp-stock-is-rising-on-the-leftWhere Walz has mostly stayed out of the fray on the Israel-Hamas war, for example, Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro's pro-Israel stances have alarmed some "uncommitted" Democratic voters.
www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/sen-mark-kelly-conditions-aid-israel-appropriate-civilian-death-toll-g-rcna150718Sen. Mark Kelly: Conditions on aid to Israel would be 'appropriate' if civilian death toll in Gaza doesn't drop
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 3, 2024 0:25:46 GMT
I'm happy that the Democrats have a relatively deep field of younger candidates to choose from for VP This isn't 2016 when the Democratic Party locked onto Hillary and didn't really consider other options. ShapiroBrian Tyler Cohen. @briantylercohen
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on Trump's attacks on Harris' race: "It is more of the same from Donald Trump. He attacks other people based on what they look like, who they pray to, who they love, the way they were raised... I think it shows a profound weakness in a leader when they can't sell themselves but instead have to attack other people. And attacking the identity of the VP doesn't at all reflect negatively on VP Harris, but shows a real insecurity about Donald Trump. Listen, this guy is nervous as hell to face Kamala Harris." |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 3, 2024 1:15:10 GMT
If Shapiro is the VP pick, I really hope there's a VP debate. I would love to see him tear Vance apart. Bring it on
Acyn @acyn
Reporter: Vance compared you to a really bad impression of Obama
Shapiro: Barack Obama was probably our most gifted orator of my time, so that’s kind of a weird insult. I’ll say this about JD Vance: it’s really hard being honest with the American people when you’re not being honest with yourself. He is the most inorganic candidate I think I have ever seen. He doesn’t know what he believes, and that is why it is impossible for him to articulate a coherent message to the American people—because he doesn’t believe it. This guy is not exactly off to a good start. It is clear that Trump really has buyer’s remorse. So, if he wants to sling insults in my direction, which I’m not even sure is an insult, let him do it. Bring it on. I’ll be ready for whatever JD Vance throws my direction. |
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 3, 2024 5:05:49 GMT
I’m still hoping for Kelly. I think Shapiro will be polarizing within the party due to his stance on Israel. His stance is no different than the other contenders and Democrats ... and really, the moderate GOP. He's getting push back because he's Jewish. |
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 3, 2024 5:14:48 GMT
If his views are more pro-Isreal he's keeping them to himself as far as I can tell. From what I can find, he's condemned Netanyahu, but supported their right to fight back against Hamas. That's the same stance all the others have taken. There are some illusions to "other" stances, but I haven't seen anything that raises red flags. I think the biggest eyebrow raise for me was cutting State contracts with Ben & Jerry's due to their refusal to sell in the West Bank. |
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Post by littlemama on Aug 3, 2024 10:11:53 GMT
I would love it to be Buttigieg, but since we need PA, I think it has to be Shapiro. DH said he has liked Wahl (?), the guy from MN, but I havent seen much about him.
Harris cannot pick anyone where the end result could be losing a seat in the Senate at this time, so I think it will be a governor
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 3, 2024 13:09:01 GMT
If his views are more pro-Isreal he's keeping them to himself as far as I can tell. From what I can find, he's condemned Netanyahu, but supported their right to fight back against Hamas. That's the same stance all the others have taken. There are some illusions to "other" stances, but I haven't seen anything that raises red flags. I think the biggest eyebrow raise for me was cutting State contracts with Ben & Jerry's due to their refusal to sell in the West Bank. I’m not crazy about how he handled the campus protests or the Ben and Jerry’s situation. Kelly at least said that it would be appropriate to look at putting conditions on aid If the civilian casualties didn’t go down (that was in May). How that actually looks when/if they were in power is hard to say. I wish someone with Bernie’s views on Israel was running. |
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Post by withapea on Aug 3, 2024 13:59:11 GMT
I’m rooting for Walz. I think he’d be great. Bashear is my number two. Shapiro hasn’t been governor for very long, Kelley has the Senate seat. Love Pete but I like him for the cabinet. I think we’re lucky to have a number of good choices.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 3, 2024 14:52:45 GMT
Pro- Palestinian groups are targeting Shapiro, but I think they went too far when they called him Genocide Josh. Without a doubt, some of the objections to him are rooted in anti-semitism. For the most part, he’s taken a middle of the road approach, condemning Netanyahu, mourning the loss of life in Gaza but standing by Israel’s right to self defense. Maybe what separates Shapiro from the other candidates is that he has not been as critical of the Israeli government? Here are some of the comments he’s made mostly about the campus protests that in my opinion, are more pro-Israel than the other candidates. Regrettably, there was antisemitism among the campus protests but making an analogy to the KKK seems a little excessive. Shapiro is still my first choice, but I do think if she picks him, it will stir up and highlight the rift in the Democratic Party over the Israeli- Palestinian conflict. www.nytimes.com/2024/05/11/us/politics/josh-shapiro-pennsylvania.htmlAsked if he considered himself a Zionist, he said that he did. When Iran attacked Israel last month, he wrote on social media that Pennsylvania “stands with Israel.”
When the University of Pennsylvania’s president struggled before Congress to directly answer whether calling for the genocide of Jews violated the school’s rules, Mr. Shapiro said she had failed to show “moral clarity.” (She later resigned.) When opponents of the Gaza war picketed an Israeli-style restaurant in Philadelphia known for its falafel and tahini shakes, Mr. Shapiro called the demonstration antisemitic and showed up for lunch.
“I am pro-Israel,” he said. “I am pro-the idea of a Jewish homeland, a Jewish state, and I will certainly do everything in my power to ensure that Israel is strong and Israel is fortified and will exist for generations.”
He also supports a two-state solution, is a longtime critic of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and said he mourned “the loss of life in Gaza.”
That approach is common among elected Democrats. But it is clearly at odds with the campus protests, which are often explicitly anti-Zionist.
The issue is virtually certain to divide Democrats on future presidential debate stages.
www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/us/politics/shapiro-vp-israel.htmlBut Palestinian rights activists see someone different, the public face of intransigent support for Israel. They point to Mr. Shapiro’s suggestion in April that people would not tolerate “people dressed up in K.K.K. outfits or K.K.K. regalia,” and thus should not tolerate antisemitism on campuses either, as a comparison of pro-Palestinian demonstrators to the Ku Klux Klan. |
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Post by jill8909 on Aug 3, 2024 16:27:39 GMT
The votes that matter are the independents (whatever that means now), the truly undecided, and only in battleground states. Then there are the "I would have voted Dem but I'm not voting because of Gaza or another issue."
It's the latter that concern me especially in a place like Michigan. I still think Shapiro will be the pick and he will learn to state his views (or adopt new ones) to be consistent with Harris.
Harris is still getting away without having to say too much about Gaza. This isn't going to last.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2024 4:44:47 GMT
Tell me again why he shouldn’t be the VP pick? People keep thinking this election is like any other election so the same rules apply when fact they don’t. Believe trump when he says people only have to vote this one time and then won’t have to vote again because they will ‘fix it”. The job of the voters is to make sure trump is not re-elected which means all hands on deck. And it doesn’t matter who her VP is. The Democrats are lucky in that all her potential choices are more than qualified. I just happen to think Pete is a little bit better. www.instagram.com/reel/C-NkNlNuzcH/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 4, 2024 4:57:35 GMT
Pete is very convincing, he does a great job of pushing back on Republicans and Fox News. But, that doesn't mean that he is the most strategic choice for VP. It does matter who Harris chooses for VP. She needs to choose someone that she can work well with for 4 years. More importantly, she needs to choose someone who will help her win. Kelly could help deliver AZ, Shapiro could help deliver PA, Walz could help with midwest states. All of those states are critical to winning the election. Bottom line, the most important thing this year is beating Trump. Not a great analogy, but Pete is kind of like the cow. Why buy the cow when you're already getting the milk? Pete will campaign for Harris regardless of who she chooses for VP. Democrats are already getting the benefit of him campaigning as part of the administration.
I have a lot of respect for Pete, Raphael Warnock, Chris Murphy, Gretchen Whitmer and Corey Booker. I hope all of them will have a place in a future administration or as presidential/ VP candidates. But, this is not their year.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 4, 2024 5:05:04 GMT
I watched this video of Raphael Warnock and was truly inspired, he is a really gifted speaker. He has a way of touching hearts and connecting with people. His overall message was full of promise, hopeful, optimistic, inclusive and about bringing people together. He reminds me a lot of the excitement for President Obama in 2008. Warnock's message was such a sharp contrast ro Trump who is divisive, full of hate and full of negativity. The tone and vibe is so completely different. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl1joi_Jyic |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 4, 2024 17:15:47 GMT
Pete is very convincing, he does a great job of pushing back on Republicans and Fox News. But, that doesn't mean that he is the most strategic choice for VP. It does matter who Harris chooses for VP. She needs to choose someone that she can work well with for 4 years. More importantly, she needs to choose someone who will help her win. Kelly could help deliver AZ, Shapiro could help deliver PA, Walz could help with midwest states. All of those states are critical to winning the election. Bottom line, the most important thing this year is beating Trump. Not a great analogy, but Pete is kind of like the cow. Why buy the cow when you're already getting the milk? Pete will campaign for Harris regardless of who she chooses for VP. Democrats are already getting the benefit of him campaigning as part of the administration. I have a lot of respect for Pete, Raphael Warnock, Chris Murphy, Gretchen Whitmer and Corey Booker. I hope all of them will have a place in a future administration or as presidential/ VP candidates. But, this is not their year. So are you suggesting he can’t work well with Harris? Really? Since I disagree with what you said, we are going to have to agree to disagree. |
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 4, 2024 17:21:54 GMT
Pete is very convincing, he does a great job of pushing back on Republicans and Fox News. But, that doesn't mean that he is the most strategic choice for VP. It does matter who Harris chooses for VP. She needs to choose someone that she can work well with for 4 years. More importantly, she needs to choose someone who will help her win. Kelly could help deliver AZ, Shapiro could help deliver PA, Walz could help with midwest states. All of those states are critical to winning the election. Bottom line, the most important thing this year is beating Trump. Not a great analogy, but Pete is kind of like the cow. Why buy the cow when you're already getting the milk? Pete will campaign for Harris regardless of who she chooses for VP. Democrats are already getting the benefit of him campaigning as part of the administration. I have a lot of respect for Pete, Raphael Warnock, Chris Murphy, Gretchen Whitmer and Corey Booker. I hope all of them will have a place in a future administration or as presidential/ VP candidates. But, this is not their year. So are you suggesting he can’t work well with Harris? Really? Since I disagree with what you said, we are going to have to agree to disagree. Did you purposely not read the rest of her post? I don't think anyone thinks she can't work with Pete. But she needs to pick someone who can help win States that are considered a tossup. As has been said, the most important thing right now is beating Trump. PlI love Pete. Most Democrats do no doubt. But there are better rolls for him right now. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 4, 2024 19:40:23 GMT
Pete is very convincing, he does a great job of pushing back on Republicans and Fox News. But, that doesn't mean that he is the most strategic choice for VP. It does matter who Harris chooses for VP. She needs to choose someone that she can work well with for 4 years. More importantly, she needs to choose someone who will help her win. Kelly could help deliver AZ, Shapiro could help deliver PA, Walz could help with midwest states. All of those states are critical to winning the election. Bottom line, the most important thing this year is beating Trump. Not a great analogy, but Pete is kind of like the cow. Why buy the cow when you're already getting the milk? Pete will campaign for Harris regardless of who she chooses for VP. Democrats are already getting the benefit of him campaigning as part of the administration. I have a lot of respect for Pete, Raphael Warnock, Chris Murphy, Gretchen Whitmer and Corey Booker. I hope all of them will have a place in a future administration or as presidential/ VP candidates. But, this is not their year. So are you suggesting he can’t work well with Harris? Really? Since I disagree with what you said, we are going to have to agree to disagree. I'm sure Pete and Harris could work together just fine, that's not what I said at all. I recognize that you think people should vote for who is most qualified. But, that's not reality. People vote for candidates for a million different reasons. Like it or not, elections are a personality contest. Effective candidates need to be good speakers, likable, personable, charming etc. Pete is all of that but he is not the most tactical choice. Democrats need to win AZ, PA and the midwest states. Shapiro, Walz or Kelly are the Democrats' best chances of winning in November. Right now, all of them bring more to the ticket that Pete. There is too much at stake to choose a VP based on anything other than strategy. Democrats need to choose someone who has the most appeal to moderates and independents in the swing states. It's important for Harris to pick a VP for with those voters in mind. It doesn't help to choose a favorite of the Democrats, she already has those votes. She needs the votes of independents and moderates in the swing states. Who is in the best position to win the most votes? Someone from the key states with a high favorability rating - Shapiro, Kelly or Walz. Democrats need one of those 3 on the ticket more than they need Pete. Democrats also need to chose the best candidate for right now, where we are, not where we want the country to be. Democrats need to consider how Americans actually vote, not an ideal for how you or anyone else thinks people should vote. I hope Pete continues to have a role in the administration. I would love to see him do something with foreign policy or be the VP in 2028 or 2032. Right now, the best place for him is in the administration. Democrats will benefit from his campaigning regardless of whether he is on the ticket or not. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 4, 2024 20:07:54 GMT
Pete has been making the rounds lately -- late night TV, interviews + also sightings in NYC. I think he is still a strong contender. He does a great job promoting Biden or Harris. I hope that he continues to campaign, even if he's not on the ticket. I hope so to. He is just tells the truth And points out the lies. He seems so effortless. I love hearing him and have seen him multiple times in the last week. |
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 5, 2024 1:08:50 GMT
So are you suggesting he can’t work well with Harris? Really? Since I disagree with what you said, we are going to have to agree to disagree. I'm sure Pete and Harris could work together just fine, that's not what I said at all. I recognize that you think people should vote for who is most qualified. But, that's not reality. People vote for candidates for a million different reasons. Like it or not, elections are a personality contest. Effective candidates need to be good speakers, likable, personable, charming etc. Pete is all of that but he is not the most tactical choice. Democrats need to win AZ, PA and the midwest states. Shapiro, Walz or Kelly are the Democrats' best chances of winning in November. Right now, all of them bring more to the ticket that Pete. There is too much at stake to choose a VP based on anything other than strategy. Democrats need to choose someone who has the most appeal to moderates and independents in the swing states. It's important for Harris to pick a VP for with those voters in mind. It doesn't help to choose a favorite of the Democrats, she already has those votes. She needs the votes of independents and moderates in the swing states. Who is in the best position to win the most votes? Someone from the key states with a high favorability rating - Shapiro, Kelly or Walz. Democrats need one of those 3 on the ticket more than they need Pete. Democrats also need to chose the best candidate for right now, where we are, not where we want the country to be. Democrats need to consider how Americans actually vote, not an ideal for how you or anyone else thinks people should vote. I hope Pete continues to have a role in the administration. I would love to see him do something with foreign policy or be the VP in 2028 or 2032. Right now, the best place for him is in the administration. Democrats will benefit from his campaigning regardless of whether he is on the ticket or not. Let me get this straight, Harris who is a moderate, needs one of the “chosen” above to be on the ticket to get moderates and independents to vote for her? Are you talking about Democratic or Republican moderates along with left leaning or right leaning independents? |
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 5, 2024 1:31:21 GMT
I'm sure Pete and Harris could work together just fine, that's not what I said at all. I recognize that you think people should vote for who is most qualified. But, that's not reality. People vote for candidates for a million different reasons. Like it or not, elections are a personality contest. Effective candidates need to be good speakers, likable, personable, charming etc. Pete is all of that but he is not the most tactical choice. Democrats need to win AZ, PA and the midwest states. Shapiro, Walz or Kelly are the Democrats' best chances of winning in November. Right now, all of them bring more to the ticket that Pete. There is too much at stake to choose a VP based on anything other than strategy. Democrats need to choose someone who has the most appeal to moderates and independents in the swing states. It's important for Harris to pick a VP for with those voters in mind. It doesn't help to choose a favorite of the Democrats, she already has those votes. She needs the votes of independents and moderates in the swing states. Who is in the best position to win the most votes? Someone from the key states with a high favorability rating - Shapiro, Kelly or Walz. Democrats need one of those 3 on the ticket more than they need Pete. Democrats also need to chose the best candidate for right now, where we are, not where we want the country to be. Democrats need to consider how Americans actually vote, not an ideal for how you or anyone else thinks people should vote. I hope Pete continues to have a role in the administration. I would love to see him do something with foreign policy or be the VP in 2028 or 2032. Right now, the best place for him is in the administration. Democrats will benefit from his campaigning regardless of whether he is on the ticket or not. Let me get this straight, Harris who is a moderate, needs one of the “chosen” above to be on the ticket to get moderates and independents to vote for her? Are you talking about Democratic or Republican moderates along with left leaning or right leaning independents? Yes, because whether YOU believe it or not, plenty believe she is farther left. She needs a moderate on the ticket with her. It's the only way to persuade some of the undecided and moderates. Like she said, this is about strategy and winning right now. Not about the perfect ticket in the perfect circumstances. |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 5, 2024 1:43:57 GMT
I'm sure Pete and Harris could work together just fine, that's not what I said at all. I recognize that you think people should vote for who is most qualified. But, that's not reality. People vote for candidates for a million different reasons. Like it or not, elections are a personality contest. Effective candidates need to be good speakers, likable, personable, charming etc. Pete is all of that but he is not the most tactical choice. Democrats need to win AZ, PA and the midwest states. Shapiro, Walz or Kelly are the Democrats' best chances of winning in November. Right now, all of them bring more to the ticket that Pete. There is too much at stake to choose a VP based on anything other than strategy. Democrats need to choose someone who has the most appeal to moderates and independents in the swing states. It's important for Harris to pick a VP for with those voters in mind. It doesn't help to choose a favorite of the Democrats, she already has those votes. She needs the votes of independents and moderates in the swing states. Who is in the best position to win the most votes? Someone from the key states with a high favorability rating - Shapiro, Kelly or Walz. Democrats need one of those 3 on the ticket more than they need Pete. Democrats also need to chose the best candidate for right now, where we are, not where we want the country to be. Democrats need to consider how Americans actually vote, not an ideal for how you or anyone else thinks people should vote. I hope Pete continues to have a role in the administration. I would love to see him do something with foreign policy or be the VP in 2028 or 2032. Right now, the best place for him is in the administration. Democrats will benefit from his campaigning regardless of whether he is on the ticket or not. Let me get this straight, Harris who is a moderate, needs one of the “chosen” above to be on the ticket to get moderates and independents to vote for her? Are you talking about Democratic or Republican moderates along with left leaning or right leaning independents? Yes, she needs a moderate to win over all of those voters in swing states. Democrats can't win with just our party. Harris needs to win over independents and moderate Republicans in Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Arizona. Right now, Harris and Trump are about even in Pennsylvania. Michigan and Wisconsin look more encouraging but Nevada and Arizona are leaning slightly towards Trump. Without Pennsylvania, the Democrats will lose. |
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