samantha25
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Post by samantha25 on Aug 23, 2024 1:04:09 GMT
Beyonce, possibly.
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Aug 23, 2024 1:05:49 GMT
Report is that Taylor's jet was at the airport in Chicago.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 23, 2024 1:14:44 GMT
Honestly, if *adults* in the audience had been crying during any of the DNC speeches, I would have thought that was weird, too. Over the top. We’re excited, but not a cult. But leave Walz’s special needs son alone. What is wrong with those people? I think they just can’t imagine a dad who says on TV that they love their family. Trump would never. Eh, I can cry incredibly easily, regardless of the emotions. Most often because I feeling proud, happy, or just overcome with emotion (not as much with sadness). I am sure I would have been crying at some point being in that environment, even if it wasn't someone that I knew personally. Heck, there were times that I started to tear up when I was watching at home. I don't think it is that weird.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 1:46:11 GMT
Kyle Griffin…
”Former Rep. Gabby Giffords describes the aftermath of her shooting: "So many people helped me as I worked hard to recover. Including a decent man from Delaware who always checked in on me. He still does. Thank you, Joe Biden. Thank you. For everything."
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 23, 2024 1:47:23 GMT
Honestly, if *adults* in the audience had been crying during any of the DNC speeches, I would have thought that was weird, too. Over the top. We’re excited, but not a cult. But leave Walz’s special needs son alone. What is wrong with those people? I think they just can’t imagine a dad who says on TV that they love their family. Trump would never. Eh, I can cry incredibly easily, regardless of the emotions. Most often because I feeling proud, happy, or just overcome with emotion (not as much with sadness). I am sure I would have been crying at some point being in that environment, even if it wasn't someone that I knew personally. Heck, there were times that I started to tear up when I was watching at home. I don't think it is that weird. I teared up too. When Pete was talking about his family, I have close family members similar to his. It breaks my heart to think about how not so long ago my family wouldn’t exist the way it does now if it were up to people who think like Trump. Thinking about marriage equality and IVF being taken away scares me. ‘The stories being shared touched me, so I cried. If that makes me weird so be it. I sobbed hearing the stories told by the teacher from Sandy Hook and the mother who lost her daughter at Uvalde.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 23, 2024 1:47:54 GMT
Pink and her daughter, Willow, were amazing.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 2:02:14 GMT
People like this drive me nuts. So these people claim they won’t vote for Harris unless she supports an arms embargo against Israel. I wonder if these folks stopped and considered trump and what he would do about an arms embargo against Israel and his buddy? As to denying their request to allow a Palestinian speaker, there is none from either Ukraine or Israel either. I believe that the parents of an Israeli hostage did speak. abcnews.go.com/Politics/dnc-parents-israeli-american-hostage-make-emotional-plea/story?id=113039754IMO 2 different things. While they may live in Israel, they are Americans who’s son is being held hostage by Hamas. Their only political agenda, if it’s even that, is to urge the cease fire be put into place so they can get their son freed. Which the President is working on. To have a speaker from Palestine or Israel, or Ukraine would make it political at event that is suppose to be about us here not necessarily foreign policy. I understand speakers from Palestine have talked at other DNC events being held this week. Just not at the convention center during prime time. At least that is what I read.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 2:06:10 GMT
Kyle Griffin…
”Rep. Ruben Gallego at the DNC: "We stand united—veterans, Democrats, and patriots—to fight for everyone who served our country. But politicians like Donald Trump—they don't stand with us. They call patriots like Senator McCain losers. John McCain was an American hero. Show some respect. Trump's Project 2025 will slash veteran benefits and force VA hospitals to close across the nation. Show some respect."
”Rep. Gallego is joined on stage by dozens of veterans who now serve in Congress at the end of his speech. Chants of "USA!" break out.”
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 23, 2024 2:07:34 GMT
Just curious because I did not/could not watch the RNC. Was there as much hope and joy and love and smiles at theirs? Or was it filled with gloom and darkness? This tiny clip will give you an idea: x.com/i/status/1826289678770958509I thought this wan an interesting comparison, too www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08/20/opinion/thepoint#democratic-convention-tshirtsBecause I’m an idiot I traveled to Milwaukee for the Republican convention last month with only one T-shirt. After going to the gym I had to get another, and I was stuck within the convention security zone so my challenge was to buy a shirt at the MAGA merch stand that would not get me exiled from my Washington neighborhood — or cause my wife to issue divorce papers.
This turned out to be a serious problem. The available T-shirts had messages like “Ban Idiots, Not Guns,” “These Colors Don’t Run, They Reload” and “If This Flag Offends You, I’ll Help You Pack.”
I felt I was staring straight into the deep MAGA unconscious — the angry defiance, the tough guy machismo, the ethos of pissed-off indignation. Guns have become an all-purpose symbol for: The elites have betrayed us; I’m taking care of myself.
I finally found a T-shirt I could agree with. It said, “America’s Heroes: Corrections, Dispatch, EMS, Nurse, Firefighter, Police, Military.” I can buy into public respect for the proletariat.
But then in Chicago I decided to check out the Democratic merch stands. The T-shirts were more cheerful, if less creative: “Trust Democratic Women,” “Harris: Together We Can Win This,” “Make History Again!” It’s as if somebody laid down an edict: Be peppy! Aspirational! Sell hope!
If you want to get a sense of the emotional tenor of each convention all you have to do is look at the T-shirt stands. Both conventions were happy, but deep down one party thinks the tide of history is running against it and the other thinks the tide of history bends toward justice. You can see it on their chests.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 23, 2024 2:14:03 GMT
This is an excellent comparison of the parties including their tone and message as well as a great explanation for Trump's lies about crime www.nytimes.com/2024/08/22/opinion/kamala-harris-trump-crime.htmlTrump’s crime obsession has been especially longstanding. His 2017 inaugural address said nothing about inflation and less than you’d have expected about immigration. But its most memorable phrase, “American carnage,” was about a crime wave that, then as now, he misleadingly and almost gleefully hypes.
So where’s the crime alarmism coming from? I don’t think it’s just cynical politics.
There’s an element of racism, of course (remember Trump’s 2015 rant about Mexico sending us rapists?). But there’s also an attitude that doesn’t have a standard name, but which I — showing my age, I guess — think of as Rizzoism, after Frank Rizzo, the hard-line mayor of Philadelphia from 1972 to 1980, who was in some ways a proto-Trump.
The essence of Rizzoism, as I see it, is the belief that crime flourishes because we’re too lenient on criminals or people we think might be criminals, and that the way to make our cities safer is to treat criminals as harshly as possible. It leads to the belief that crime must be soaring if politicians aren’t being sufficiently punitive, whatever the numbers may say.
The real difference, I’d argue, is between a party mainly interested in expanding the extent to which the government helps people and a party that, while it talks about American greatness, seems especially motivated by the desire to inflict more punishment on those it deems threats.
And I guess we’re going to find out in November which vision has the greater appeal.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 23, 2024 2:17:07 GMT
IMO 2 different things. While they may live in Israel, they are Americans who’s son is being held hostage by Hamas. Their only political agenda, if it’s even that, is to urge the cease fire be put into place so they can get their son freed. Which the President is working on. To have a speaker from Palestine or Israel, or Ukraine would make it political at event that is suppose to be about us here not necessarily foreign policy. I understand speakers from Palestine have talked at other DNC events being held this week. Just not at the convention center during prime time. At least that is what I read. There are people there who want to speak who are Americans and have family in Gaza as well. I’m not sure that this is the right place for them to speak (although I do agree with their statements about what is happening jn Gaza being a crossroads of issues that democrats claim to care about) but having the Goldberg’s speak muddied the waters imo.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 2:23:02 GMT
Aaron Rupar…
”Kinzinger: Some have questioned why I've taken the stand I have. The answer is simple: We must put country first ... to my fellow Republicans, if you still pledge allegiance to those principles, I suspect you belong here too... vote for our bedrock values & vote for Kamala Harris”
”Kinzinger: The Republican Party is no longer conservative. It has switched it allegiance from the principles that gave it purpose to a man whose only purpose is himself. Donald Trump is a weak man pretending to be strong ... Trump has suffocated the soul of the Republican Party”
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 23, 2024 2:27:24 GMT
Sorry, one more comparison. The conventions really highlight the significant differences between the 2 parties and their vastly different visions for the future. www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/08/22/tim-walz-democratic-convention-speech/The most important passage in Vance’s convention speech last month was the one where he described the country as something physical, rather than an abstraction. “America is not just an idea,” Vance said. “It is a group of people with a shared history and a common future. It is in short, a nation.”
Literally speaking, this is not debatable; America exists, it is a nation and it has a history. But Vance isn’t being literal. He is articulating the central idea that animates all forms of nationalism (including the white variety), as well as the Trump movement. He is arguing that there is such thing as a common American culture, with its own language (English), its own religious ethos (Judeo-Christian) and its own concept of family (heterosexual, with naturally conceived children). Of course there’s room for immigration and racial diversity in Vance’s worldview; his own wife is of Indian descent. But in his view of America, the outsider becomes American by adopting a set of cultural norms — living here “on our terms,” as he put it in his speech. In this way, he sees America as no different, really, from France or Russia or any other country with common ethnic heritage. The price of admission is cultural conformity.
What Walz articulates — about as clearly as anyone has in the party since Barack Obama arrived on the scene 20 years ago — is a competing view that says, no, actually America is very much an idea. Alone among nations, we have from the very start been a collection of immigrants and outsiders, bound together not by any common origin or culture, but rather by a common set of laws and values and institutions — what Abraham Lincoln called our “political religion.” (This is the liberal version of “American Exceptionalism” — the thing that makes us different from everyplace else.)
In the America Walz described in his convention speech, it doesn’t matter what language you speak at home or what god (if any) you worship, or whether you have kids (naturally or otherwise). Because as long as you believe in the American promise of liberty and adhere to its laws, you’re just as American as anyone else, and anybody who doesn’t like it should “mind their own damn business.” Community, in Walz’s telling, isn’t defined by somebody’s idea of cultural norms, but rather by your connection to your neighbors. If you’re willing to help out with a stranded car or a bake sale, then he doesn’t care if you’re an atheist or a cat-owner (or, God forbid, both).
In a campaign season that may already feel small and shallow, this is a very big disagreement, and I would argue that it’s more important than any one policy having to do with the price of groceries or the tax code. It is an argument that will shape the way we govern ourselves for years to come — whether we conceive of American liberty as something that exists chiefly to protect White, Christian Americans from having their culture trampled, or whether we understand liberty to mean the freedom to choose whatever culture you like, as long as you respect the Constitution while you do it.
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 23, 2024 3:07:10 GMT
I really like these perspectives on Gus Walz. #Team Gus! a good guyInside with Jen Psaki @insidewithpsaki jrpsaki gets emotional after Governor Walz's speech: "Watching his kids react to him, as a mom, you know he's a good guy... it was also an incredibly powerful, joyful message to the public after years of being downtrodden by the world of Trump." good person/ candidateAndrew—Author of America Rises On Substack @amoneyresists America, as a mental health professional, please allow me to let you in on a secret for how you can differentiate a good person/candidate from a bad one:
They have profound love for their spouse and their children. And their spouse/children reciprocate that love for them 100%.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 23, 2024 3:07:57 GMT
Kamala is amazing. I wish we could fast forward to November right now. I want to vote right this minute.
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Post by smasonnc on Aug 23, 2024 3:12:55 GMT
Conservative author Ann Coulter lashed out at the son of Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Walz for becoming emotional during his dad's speech at the Democratic National Convention (DNC). As his father spoke on the third day of the convention, Gus Walz could be seen crying and saying, "That's my dad." *** The following day, Coulter mocked Gus Walz's tears on X (formerly Twitter). "Talk about weird," she wrote. God, would someone just throw water on her, already? I can't wait to see her melt.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 3:14:45 GMT
IMO 2 different things. While they may live in Israel, they are Americans who’s son is being held hostage by Hamas. Their only political agenda, if it’s even that, is to urge the cease fire be put into place so they can get their son freed. Which the President is working on. To have a speaker from Palestine or Israel, or Ukraine would make it political at event that is suppose to be about us here not necessarily foreign policy. I understand speakers from Palestine have talked at other DNC events being held this week. Just not at the convention center during prime time. At least that is what I read. There are people there who want to speak who are Americans and have family in Gaza as well. I’m not sure that this is the right place for them to speak (although I do agree with their statements about what is happening jn Gaza being a crossroads of issues that democrats claim to care about) but having the Goldberg’s speak muddied the waters imo. I see it as two separate things. 1. An American is being held hostage by a terrorist group in Gaza. 2. Palestinians who live in this country watch what is happening in Gaza and want to trash Israel for their behavior in Gaza on a big televised event like a political convention that is getting all kind of coverage. So what about Israel? Do they get a chance to respond in a similar setting? There is always 2 sides to every story. And both sides should get a chance to tell theirs. So what is suppose to be forum of what is important to Americans in America become a foreign policy nightmare. I’m not saying both sides shouldn’t have their say, they should, just not at the DNC convention. And I’m never going to be a fan of one issue voters especially when it’s involving foreign policy. IMO
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 23, 2024 3:28:05 GMT
Did everyone notice that ALL of her last candidates for VP spoke at the convention to support her! Walz of course was picked.
Beshear Buttigieg Cooper Kelly Shapiro Whitmer
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 3:40:42 GMT
It seems someone didn’t like what Kamala had to say. 😀
Aaron Rupar…
Fox anchors struggle to end the interview as Trump rants and raves”.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 3:45:42 GMT
trump…
”There will be no future under Comrade Kamala Harris, because she will take us into a Nuclear World War III! She will never be respected by the Tyrants of the World!
Donald Trump Truth Social 11:13 PM EST 08/22/24 @realdonaldtrump”
I was not aware we had 2 previous nuclear wars….
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Post by ellen on Aug 23, 2024 4:11:11 GMT
She was outstanding. My hope is that there are persuadable Republicans out there. It feels like this team/campaign could bring them in.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 4:21:27 GMT
Norman Ornstein…
”Harris, young. Trump, old. Harris, smart. Trump, addled. Harris, empathetic. Trump, narcissist. Harris, substantive. Trump, ignorant. Harris, honest. Trump, pathological liar. Harris, resolute. Trump, utterly unreliable. Harris, moral. Trump, grifter. Harris, patriot. Trump, traitor. Harris, democrat. Trump, autocrat. Harris, warm. Trump, sociopath. Harris, presidential. Trump, unpresidential. I could go on, but you get the drift.
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Post by onelasttime on Aug 23, 2024 4:28:35 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 23, 2024 4:34:44 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 23, 2024 4:45:00 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 23, 2024 6:08:07 GMT
Coulter is making it worse... Ann Coulter tried to explain her attack on Gov. Tim Walz's neurodivergent son in a post that platformed speech against the 17-year-old. *** "I took it down as soon as someone told me he’s austistc [sic]," Coulter wrote. "But it’s Democrats who go around calling everyone weird thinking it’s hilariously funny." *** Coulter's response did not impress Republicans with the never-Donald Trump group The Lincoln Project. x.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1826760819788710009www.rawstory.com/ann-coulter-tim-walz/
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huskergal
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Post by huskergal on Aug 23, 2024 13:55:29 GMT
I am so optimistic right now!
Watching Trump melt down is the best.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 23, 2024 14:11:07 GMT
I am so optimistic right now! Watching Trump melt down is the best. It really is, isn't it? I cannot wait for the debates.
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Post by jill8909 on Aug 23, 2024 14:15:13 GMT
I'm hopeful, but honestly I STILL cannot forget that awful searing moment in Nov 2016 when it became clear that trump was going to become president. i had hoped he would grow up and out of himself, but he got worse as the years went on. He's gone from insulting a POW (unforgivable) to insulting anyone except himself. He is responsible for many Covid deaths, the Dobbs decision, and so much more. All why he enriched his pockets.
yet this POS is tied in the polls. There is a sickness in our society. he pulled away the curtain and gave it sunlight. Obama once said that he thought his presidency helped Trump get elected because it fueled a sense of grievance in many white people. I think he was right.
So yes I'm hopeful, but very worried. This last month has been 100% positive for Harris. That won't last.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Aug 23, 2024 14:47:33 GMT
I'm hopeful, but honestly I STILL cannot forget that awful searing moment in Nov 2016 when it became clear that trump was going to become president. i had hoped he would grow up and out of himself, but he got worse as the years went on. He's gone from insulting a POW (unforgivable) to insulting anyone except himself. He is responsible for many Covid deaths, the Dobbs decision, and so much more. All why he enriched his pockets. yet this POS is tied in the polls. There is a sickness in our society. he pulled away the curtain and gave it sunlight. Obama once said that he thought his presidency helped Trump get elected because it fueled a sense of grievance in many white people. I think he was right. So yes I'm hopeful, but very worried. This last month has been 100% positive for Harris. That won't last. I agree. I will not feel secure until the inauguration of a Democratic President is done. We cannot be complacent at all. I too remember going to bed sick to my stomach in 2016. I kept thinking that when I woke up for sure the news would be that Trump lost and it was a mistake. It was awful. I don’t take any stock in polls, there are way too many variables and they change day to day. We just have to do our best to encourage amd remind people to vote. If you can- volunteer to help people get to their polling places, make phone calls, volunteer your time, donate, what ever-it
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