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Post by 3boysnme on Sept 6, 2024 12:38:28 GMT
I can't believe that he actually thought giving a child an AR15 is a good idea. He should be charged! I had read that he may have bullied his son but not sure how true that is.
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Post by River on Sept 6, 2024 12:45:40 GMT
"In May 2023, law enforcement officials questioned Colt Gray and his father about “online threats to commit a school shooting” that included photos of guns, according to a joint statement from FBI Atlanta and the Jackson County Sheriff’s Office."
I am just completely dumbfounded over this! In May of last year, they were questioned about threats of a school shooting. So then in December of the same year, the dad got his son an AR-15 for Christmas.
This father needs to be thrown under the jail.
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Post by librarylady on Sept 6, 2024 12:48:04 GMT
The boy lived with his father and the siblings with mother. Father moved during the summer and the boy had only attended this school for 1/2 day and returned the next morning with the gun and began shooting.
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Post by scrappinmama on Sept 6, 2024 12:58:00 GMT
Good! That man deserves prison time. He knew his son was a threat to society and not only bought him a gun, but bought him a gun that has been used in every mass shooting. Lock them both up. Let's have some proper gun reform and destroy every last AR-15 in this country. I'm so done with these shootings! What the hell is wrong with this country that politicians value guns over human life?!
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 6, 2024 13:32:21 GMT
Good! He is responsible for this tragedy! He deserves punishment. I hope he spends the rest of his life imprisoned.
Owning and purchasing guns bears with it a big responsibility. If you are gifting guns to youth, it is even a bigger burden, and you as the parent are 100% responsible for that firearm at all times.
I purchased firearms for my kids when they were younger. Shotguns and small caliber rifles and sport rifles that were heirloom type gifts. Never at ANY time would I have even had a firearm of any type in my house if there was even a hint of unstableness or doubt about the safety. Even with zero doubt, the guns were (and still are) kept locked in a safe, with ammunition in a different safe. My kids did not have the combinations to these safes. If they wanted to use their firearms, it was always with our permission only. They were highly trained in the safety and use of the firearms. The minute they brought the firearm in the house, it was properly cleaned and dried and put back in the safe. It never sat in the car, it never was left "until later".
My son participated in timed events, and I had many adults tell me he was one of the safest participants they had ever delt with. He actually left a school event, because he felt that the teachers were not holding high enough safety standards.
We never encouraged or 'talked up' self defense with a weapon. Even toy guns when they will little were treated as deadly. Never ever point any firearm, real or fake at a person. Never swing it around, even a plastic toy that did not have any type of firing mechanism.
That parent did not uphold these standards - he must pay the costs.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 6, 2024 13:47:16 GMT
Good. Maybe if these idiots are held accountable it will send a message to other like minded idiots that giving your troubled kid access to a deadly weapon might not be the best idea. Seriously, WTF was that guy thinking?
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Post by needmysanity on Sept 6, 2024 13:55:26 GMT
I'm glad he is being charged. No teenager needs a gun as a gift, and especially a gun they have access to that easily and extra, especially after being investigated for possibly shooting up a school.
I am not against guns - In fact I carry mine most days. I do think ARs should not be sold, and I'm all for responsible gun laws.
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 6, 2024 14:14:16 GMT
I do think ARs should not be sold, and I'm all for responsible gun laws. Can I ask why you think that? I am not trying to stir the pot at all, I just see the back-lash on "AR" and wonder if it is just the ArmaLite brand and it's appearance? All ArmaLite rifles? What about something like a Ruger Mini-14, which is also semi-auto and uses a .223 round also? But looks more traditional wood stock type rifle? I think the owner of the firearm is responsible for what happens with that firearm!
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Post by ntsf on Sept 6, 2024 15:10:46 GMT
from what has been written, this child was in dire need of adult support and mental health support. a very unfunctional family situation.
sadness all the way around.. and yes, the dad should be charged.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2024 15:58:38 GMT
AR-15, AK-47 type guns are weapons of WAR. They are not good for hunting. They are made to KILL PEOPLE! RIP them into shreds... Destroy their insides/organs!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 6, 2024 16:22:02 GMT
AR-15, AK-47 type guns are weapons of WAR. They are not good for hunting. They are made to KILL PEOPLE! RIP them into sheds... Destroy their insides/organs! Exactly. I can’t see any legitimate need for this type of weapon and think it is disturbing how people think nothing of owning one.
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Post by disneypal on Sept 6, 2024 16:27:32 GMT
ather moved during the summer and the boy had only attended this school for 1/2 day and returned the next morning with the gun and began shooting. Am I reading this correctly? School started around Aug 1st. Does this say he didn't start going to this particular school until Sep 3rd, he went 1/2 day then on Sep 4th, he committed the shootings?
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Post by pilcas on Sept 6, 2024 17:09:07 GMT
I don’t care how safe and responsible you are., Giving a kid or a teenager a gun as a gift seems appalling to me. My question is why? Does it make the owner feel more powerful? Is it an ego thing? So may other possibilities why choose to give something that kills?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2024 17:12:39 GMT
I don’t care how safe and responsible you are., Giving a kid or a teenager a gun as a gift seems appalling to me. My question is why? Does it make the owner feel more powerful? Is it an ego thing? So may other possibilities why choose to give something that kills? It's a life style..
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Post by needmysanity on Sept 6, 2024 17:14:59 GMT
I do think ARs should not be sold, and I'm all for responsible gun laws. Can I ask why you think that? I am not trying to stir the pot at all, I just see the back-lash on "AR" and wonder if it is just the ArmaLite brand and it's appearance? All ArmaLite rifles? What about something like a Ruger Mini-14, which is also semi-auto and uses a .223 round also? But looks more traditional wood stock type rifle? I think the owner of the firearm is responsible for what happens with that firearm! Assault Rifles were created for 1 thing and that's to kill people in mass with a lot of bodily harm. You don't hunt with them because they tear the insides apart. There really isn't a "need" for a gun like this.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 6, 2024 17:16:56 GMT
The boy lived with his father and the siblings with mother. Father moved during the summer and the boy had only attended this school for 1/2 day and returned the next morning with the gun and began shooting. Could you please provide the site where you heard he had only attended school for a half day? Thanks! ETA: info below.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Sept 6, 2024 17:20:51 GMT
The girl who sat next to him said there was a history of him signing for the bathroom pass and not taking it and not coming back to the classroom. He had been in that school for some of period of time .
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Post by MichyM on Sept 6, 2024 17:23:30 GMT
Yup, that’s what I read as well. I think Library lady may have misunderstood what she heard?
ETA: info below.
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Post by dnkmmw on Sept 6, 2024 17:34:38 GMT
Yup, that’s what I read as well. I think Library lady may have misunderstood what she heard? I read something similar about him only being there for a half day prior to the shooting. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/georgia-school-shooting-apalachee-live-updates-rcna169694By NBC News What we know so far Two students and two teachers were killed in the shooting yesterday at Apalachee High School in Winder, Georgia, Nine others were injured and are expected to recover. The 14-year-old suspect, Colt Gray, who used an AR-style weapon in the shooting, surrendered immediately and was taken into custody within minutes. He was charged with four counts of murder today. The suspect's father, Colin Gray, 54, was arrested on four counts of involuntary manslaughter, two counts of second-degree murder and eight counts of cruelty to children, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation said today. Colin Gray gave his son an AR-15 style rifle as a gift, two law enforcement sources said. It's unclear when he gave the gift, but it was after authorities interviewed the father and son last year in connection with threats to carry out a school shooting, The suspect was a new student at Apalachee High, having only been there for a partial day. The day of the shooting was his first full day at the school, Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith said.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation identified the victims killed as Mason Schermerhorn, 14; Christian Angulo, 14; Cristina Irimie, 53; and Richard Aspinwall, 39.
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Post by MichyM on Sept 6, 2024 17:38:54 GMT
Wow. Thank you for posting that. I did several searches using different wording each time and came up empty.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Sept 6, 2024 17:46:03 GMT
I don’t care how safe and responsible you are., Giving a kid or a teenager a gun as a gift seems appalling to me. My question is why? Does it make the owner feel more powerful? Is it an ego thing? So may other possibilities why choose to give something that kills? I have never given my teens a gun as a gift. We do own guns but do not keep them on our property; that said, I don't think gifting a hunting rifle to a teen who has grown up hunting and has gone through gun saftey and shooting training is appalling. My boys are 16, and we are going to take a gun safety class from a friend who teaches them once a year. My Dh has shot guns (and is why we own them as he inherited three or four guns), my boys and I have not. No one is planning on buying up guns; we just want to have the knowledge. I live in an area where hunting as a child/teen is common. I didn't choose that for my kids, but I did tell them once they were about 9/10 that I would go through training with them if interested----they really were not (one was a little but didn't want to actually go to class), but I think if a teen does not have any mental health red flags and has been through gun safety, a gun isn't a crazy purchase if they are using it for hunting. But I am totally OK with AR15 style weapons being restricted. I do not think a kid/teenager needs one, ever. I think they should be restricted for adults (I personally have no issue with a ban, but we can start with restrictions for sure).
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Post by fiddlesticks on Sept 6, 2024 17:51:30 GMT
I am glad that the father has been charged. This whole situation is so sad.
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Post by iowgirl on Sept 6, 2024 19:21:38 GMT
I don’t care how safe and responsible you are., Giving a kid or a teenager a gun as a gift seems appalling to me. My question is why? Does it make the owner feel more powerful? Is it an ego thing? So may other possibilities why choose to give something that kills? Why? Tradition, somewhat. Also, my kids were involved in shooting sports like trap and plates. My kids worked at a range long before they actually started shooting competitively. They never kept their own guns, we kept them locked up. They never 'showed them off' to any of their friends. No ego involved. I doubt most of their friends even knew they had guns. None of them really hunt. All have hunted a bit, but really didn't care for it that much. All of them have had to put an animal down. DH came home today for his pistol to euthanize a heifer than had a clot go to her brain. No happiness involved there, it deeply bothers him to do it, but it must be done. No ego. My kids all had their own vehicles at 14 also. They drove legally at 14.5 - and that is another possibly scary situation. But we did not treat that lightly either. They had a great deal of training and experience before they were allowed to drive alone at that age, and they knew the responsibility of it. Were their brains fully developed at that age? Heck no. Parents have to know that and supervise carefully. Assault Rifles were created for 1 thing and that's to kill people in mass with a lot of bodily harm. You don't hunt with them because they tear the insides apart. There really isn't a "need" for a gun like this. An AR15 is an Arma-Lite. It is not automatic and is not categorized as an assault weapon. It is a semi-auto, same as a deer rifle. It would be hard to not to argue that every firearm is an Assault weapon. Even .22 and air rifles can kill. But to be clear - and if you are going to get into a discussion with anyone who knows firearms - AR in the AR15 does not stand for Assault Rifle. It stands for ArmaLite Rifle. The ArmaLite company trademarks are now owned by Colt. AR15 can fire .223 or 5.25. The gun itself does not 'tear the insides apart', but the ammo can. Deer hunters will use hollow point ammunition, or soft point. This is the type of bullet that expand and does tear apart more. So it is used in hunting. I do not know what was used in Georgia, but that kids should not have had anything accessible to him.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 7, 2024 6:13:58 GMT
No, AR -15s were designed with a high muzzle velocity to have a “maximum wound effect”. They do tear the body apart, regardless of the ammunition used. They are much more lethal and capable of inflicting significantly more damage in comparison to a a handgun. First responders have started carrying specially designed kits to treat the battlefield wounds inflicted by AR-15s and other military style weapons. www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ar-15-mass-shootings-60-minutes-2022-05-29/Warning -this simulation and the description are pretty graphic www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/The AR-15 fires bullets at such a high velocity — often in a barrage of 30 or even 100 in rapid succession — that it can eviscerate multiple people in seconds. A single bullet lands with a shock wave intense enough to blow apart a skull and demolish vital organs. The impact is even more acute on the compact body of a small child. “It literally can pulverize bones, it can shatter your liver and it can provide this blast effect,” said Joseph Sakran, a gunshot survivor who advocates for gun violence prevention and a trauma surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital. During surgery on people shot with high-velocity rounds, he said, body tissue “literally just crumbled into your hands.”
Any bullet can kill, and instantly, when it hits a vital organ. The higher speed of a bullet from an AR-15 causes far more damage after it hits the body and drastically reduces a person’s chances of survival. “As that bullet slows down,” said trauma surgeon Babak Sarani, an authority on casualties from mass killings, “that energy is so massive it has to go someplace, and your body will literally tear apart.”
Many states do not allow AR-15s for hunting. Or, if they do, there are restrictions. They’re semi- automatic but have been used in a significant number of the most deadly mass shootings including Uvalde, Parkland, Buffalo, Las Vegas and Orlando. Even without a bump stock, AR -15s can fire up to 60 rounds per minute. AR-15s were originally designed for the military then Colt started selling and marketing a civilian version. The gun industry has rebranded them as “modern sporting rifles” but they were originally designed as weapons of war.
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Post by camcas on Sept 7, 2024 8:49:57 GMT
I cannot get my head around any argument that requires kids or adults to have guns I guess if you live on a farm or in the wilderness where you might need to defend yourself against polar bears but other than that…..no I suspect this will be an unpopular opinion on this mostly American board,but that’s my opinion
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Post by dinkle on Sept 7, 2024 12:39:10 GMT
No, AR -15s were designed with a high muzzle velocity to have a “maximum wound effect”. They do tear the body apart, regardless of the ammunition used. They are much more lethal and capable of inflicting significantly more damage in comparison to a a handgun. First responders have started carrying specially designed kits to treat the battlefield wounds inflicted by AR-15s. www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ar-15-mass-shootings-60-minutes-2022-05-29/Warning -this simulation and the description are pretty graphic www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/The AR-15 fires bullets at such a high velocity — often in a barrage of 30 or even 100 in rapid succession — that it can eviscerate multiple people in seconds. A single bullet lands with a shock wave intense enough to blow apart a skull and demolish vital organs. The impact is even more acute on the compact body of a small child. “It literally can pulverize bones, it can shatter your liver and it can provide this blast effect,” said Joseph Sakran, a gunshot survivor who advocates for gun violence prevention and a trauma surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital. During surgery on people shot with high-velocity rounds, he said, body tissue “literally just crumbled into your hands.” Any bullet can kill, and instantly, when it hits a vital organ. The higher speed of a bullet from an AR-15 causes far more damage after it hits the body and drastically reduces a person’s chances of survival. “As that bullet slows down,” said trauma surgeon Babak Sarani, an authority on casualties from mass killings, “that energy is so massive it has to go someplace, and your body will literally tear apart.” Many states do not allow AR-15s for hunting. Or, if they do, there are restrictions. They’re semi- automatic but have been used in a significant number of the most deadly mass shootings including Uvalde, Parkland, Buffalo, Las Vegas and Orlando. Even without a bump stock, AR -15s can fire up to 60 rounds per minute. AR-15s were originally designed for the military then Colt started selling and marketing a civilian version. The gun industry has rebranded them as “modern sporting rifles” but they were originally designed as weapons of war. I really do dislike not providing the whole truth( not you but the authors of the articles quoted) “Many states do not allow ARs for hunting” True because it will not effectively kill large game( deer, elk, bear) to be considered ethnically humane. “High muzzle velocity” depends on two factors Barrel length and the bullet. Longer the barrel= higher velocity to a point Two different bullets can have vastly different speeds. .220swift bullet has 4,000fps .556 has 2,700fps The fps matters for effective killing based on distance. Hand guns lower fps due to distance of target (victim) Long rifles were meant for distance shooting this the need for increased velocity. As far as the arrival stating that first responders are carrying specially designed kits for winds inflicted by AR-15 is again half truth. They are carrying kit at that contain multiple of each item needed to treat a gunshot wound due to the likelihood good a victim will have multiple shoots not because they were shoot by a .556 round. This is is not a wound kit for AR-15 but for a mass shooting. Then there is the “inflict mass damage” statement, an AR-15 that s no mare deadly than an other long rifle on its own. It will be the type of ammunition you choose that will determine the damage it can inflict, some bullets are specifically made to shatter upon impact sending fragments into surrounding tissue. Others are designed to mushroom. Why don’t we address the true point of why the AR-15 is really the prefers choice for these shootings and it is the same reason the military uses them. They are reliable and simple to troubleshoot during a vital timeframe. Has built in (google s.p.o.r.t.s as I don’t feel like trying all of that out.) But the ability to clear a jam in the rifle within seconds allowed a shooter to continue with firing the weapon. Cost of AR style- cheap in comparison to other weapons that can do more damage. The length allows an aggressor to pray and spray. By using two hands at waist level it allows for more accuracy rather than handguns. Wanted to point out that them being a semi automatic means nothing as all hand guns are also. Semi auto matrix is just the next bullet automatically advancing rather than manually having to be( bolt action) But I think that the biggest elephant in the room I have not seen no one has mention is that mass shooting seem to be all white males. Disclaimer: there may be spelling errors
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Sept 7, 2024 13:30:02 GMT
No, AR -15s were designed with a high muzzle velocity to have a “maximum wound effect”. They do tear the body apart, regardless of the ammunition used. They are much more lethal and capable of inflicting significantly more damage in comparison to a a handgun. First responders have started carrying specially designed kits to treat the battlefield wounds inflicted by AR-15s. www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ar-15-mass-shootings-60-minutes-2022-05-29/Warning -this simulation and the description are pretty graphic www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/The AR-15 fires bullets at such a high velocity — often in a barrage of 30 or even 100 in rapid succession — that it can eviscerate multiple people in seconds. A single bullet lands with a shock wave intense enough to blow apart a skull and demolish vital organs. The impact is even more acute on the compact body of a small child. “It literally can pulverize bones, it can shatter your liver and it can provide this blast effect,” said Joseph Sakran, a gunshot survivor who advocates for gun violence prevention and a trauma surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital. During surgery on people shot with high-velocity rounds, he said, body tissue “literally just crumbled into your hands.” Any bullet can kill, and instantly, when it hits a vital organ. The higher speed of a bullet from an AR-15 causes far more damage after it hits the body and drastically reduces a person’s chances of survival. “As that bullet slows down,” said trauma surgeon Babak Sarani, an authority on casualties from mass killings, “that energy is so massive it has to go someplace, and your body will literally tear apart.” Many states do not allow AR-15s for hunting. Or, if they do, there are restrictions. They’re semi- automatic but have been used in a significant number of the most deadly mass shootings including Uvalde, Parkland, Buffalo, Las Vegas and Orlando. Even without a bump stock, AR -15s can fire up to 60 rounds per minute. AR-15s were originally designed for the military then Colt started selling and marketing a civilian version. The gun industry has rebranded them as “modern sporting rifles” but they were originally designed as weapons of war. I really do dislike not providing the whole truth( not you but the authors of the articles quoted) “Many states do not allow ARs for hunting” True because it will not effectively kill large game( deer, elk, bear) to be considered ethnically humane. “High muzzle velocity” depends on two factors Barrel length and the bullet. Longer the barrel= higher velocity to a point Two different bullets can have vastly different speeds. .220swift bullet has 4,000fps .556 has 2,700fps The fps matters for effective killing based on distance. Hand guns lower fps due to distance of target (victim) Long rifles were meant for distance shooting this the need for increased velocity. As far as the arrival stating that first responders are carrying specially designed kits for winds inflicted by AR-15 is again half truth. They are carrying kit at that contain multiple of each item needed to treat a gunshot wound due to the likelihood good a victim will have multiple shoots not because they were shoot by a .556 round. This is is not a wound kit for AR-15 but for a mass shooting. Then there is the “inflict mass damage” statement, an AR-15 that s no mare deadly than an other long rifle on its own. It will be the type of ammunition you choose that will determine the damage it can inflict, some bullets are specifically made to shatter upon impact sending fragments into surrounding tissue. Others are designed to mushroom. Why don’t we address the true point of why the AR-15 is really the prefers choice for these shootings and it is the same reason the military uses them. They are reliable and simple to troubleshoot during a vital timeframe. Has built in (google s.p.o.r.t.s as I don’t feel like trying all of that out.) But the ability to clear a jam in the rifle within seconds allowed a shooter to continue with firing the weapon. Cost of AR style- cheap in comparison to other weapons that can do more damage. The length allows an aggressor to pray and spray. By using two hands at waist level it allows for more accuracy rather than handguns. Wanted to point out that them being a semi automatic means nothing as all hand guns are also. Semi auto matrix is just the next bullet automatically advancing rather than manually having to be( bolt action) But I think that the biggest elephant in the room I have not seen no one has mention is that mass shooting seem to be all white males. Disclaimer: there may be spelling errors White males (apparently women also) are also typically the ones who fetishize guns.
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Post by PLurker on Sept 7, 2024 13:35:01 GMT
Not to pick in iowgirl or anyone else in particular but whenever I see 'because tradition' or similar it makes me a tad crazy. Or at least question that as an answer to why questions. Many a tradition have been abandoned as archaic and outdated and some simply wrong. Some actually outlawed as should be. Tradition when used an an excuse for something is weird to me, as no further thought give, in many cases. 'I'll continue to xxx simply because we always have.' Weird and sometimes hurtful or even dangerous, to me.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 7, 2024 14:26:19 GMT
I recognize that AR-15s have been politicized and have become the symbol for gun rights defenders as well as a symbol of what's wrong for advocates for gun safety. Handguns and traditional hunting rifles are simply not capable of inflicting the same casualties in a short time span like AR-15s and other military style weapons. Any comparison between handguns and AR-15s is really a false one, like comparing apples and oranges. In terms of half truths and under reporting, there are a lot of facts left out regarding AR-15s and other military style weapons. The media frequently leaves out the gory, gruesome and graphic details of mass shootings. In the Uvalde shooting, the slower velocity rounds of ammunition, 5.56 were used but it did not spare the lives of the 19 children. Warning - graphic details In the aftermath of Uvalde, parents were asked to submit DNA, in part because some of the faces of the children may have been unrecognizable. www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/us/texas-shooting-parents-dna-victims.htmlThe request suggests that some of the 19 children who were killed may have been so severely wounded and grouped so closely together that they were difficult to identify, according to experts in medical forensics.“A high-powered firearm can cause very devastating injuries and can make identification challenging from a visual point of view,” Dr. James R. Gill, Connecticut’s chief medical examiner, said in an interview on Wednesday. www.npr.org/2022/05/31/1102097583/a-uvalde-coroner-is-haunted-by-identifying-the-bodies-of-children-and-an-old-friThe AR-15, which is the weapon used by the gunman at Robb Elementary, is designed to blow targets apart. It's a weapon built for war. And when fired into a human adult body, its bullets travel with such fierce velocity that they can decapitate a person, or leave a body looking "like a grenade went off in there," as Peter Rhee, a trauma surgeon at the University of Arizona, told Wired. The carnage the weapon leaves behind has become a signature of school shootings and other mass shootings across the country.
In response to mass shootings, doctors launched a program called Stop the Bleed to teach people how to stop bleeding in a severely injured person. www.stopthebleed.orgThe evolution of the STOP THE BLEED® program was also influenced by world events. In 2012, 20 children and eight adults were casualties from a tragic mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, CT. A concerned local trauma surgeon who was the Chair of the Connecticut State Committee on Trauma and an ACS Regent, Lenworth M. Jacobs, Jr., MD, FACS, convened a panel of national experts to evaluate the response to such emergencies.The group met several times and developed expert recommendations on how to improve survival for people with severe bleeding. Because two of these early meetings were held in Hartford, their recommendations became known as the Hartford Consensus (pictured below).From the Hartford Consensus, a national emergency response goal emerged to improve victim survival following mass shootings and other intentional acts of mass violence by empowering trained bystanders to take life-saving action if quickly needed—regardless of the situation or cause of severe bleeding. STOP THE BLEED® , a national public awareness campaign, was launched shortly thereafter, in October of 2015 by the White House, with a call to action to begin training more people to become immediate responders until professional help arrives.*Since then, the STOP THE BLEED® program has continued to grow as we continue to witness or experience unexpected violence and injuries in our daily lives—on the highway, in the workplace, at schools, and in other public places where we should be able to gather with an expectation of safety. The ACS Committee on Trauma first publicly introduced bleeding control training courses for its members in October 2016, and since then thousands of other medical professionals have trained to become course instructors. Today, those instructors are focused on training people in all walks of life to become immediate responders through the STOP THE BLEED® course.Yes, the battlefield kit that first responders carry was designed to treat mass shooting victims. The paramedic in the 60 minutes article who responded to the Parkland shooting referred to them as "active killer kits". Whether they were designed to treat wounds from AR-15s or other military style weapons is kind of irrelevant and missing the forest for the trees. The important part is that ambulances and other first responders are now routinely carrying battlefield kits to treat battlefield injuries from mass shootings. Let me repeat that - mass shootings have become so common that first responders are now carrying specialized kits to treat the victims. And civilians are being taught how to treat severe bleeding. AR-15s are part of the problem. Not the only problem, but a significant part of the problem of gun violence and mass shootings. AR 15s were used in many of the deadliest shootings in the US including Uvalde, Parkland, Boulder, Buffalo, El Paso, Sutherland Springs and Las Vegas. Arguing about the different types of ammunition is really just semantics and a distraction/ deflection. Military style weapons and the availability of them are the reason our children are dying in school shootings and people are dying in churches, night clubs, movie theaters and grocery stores.www.congress.gov/117/meeting/house/115244/documents/HHRG-117-JU08-20221215-SD007.pdfwww.ems1.com/mass-casualty-incidents-mci/articles/fla-medical-director-on-60-minutes-we-all-need-to-learn-stop-the-bleed-bLUgR7O0Lxa9J14S/CBS News reported that AR-15s have been the weapon of choice in some of the worst mass shootings in the history of the United States, such as the recent shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh and the mass shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Broward County, Florida, earlier this year.
Antevy and paramedic Laz Ojeda sat down with Pelley to explain how emergency medical response has changed in light of the wounds inflicted by a weapon like an AR-15.
Ojeda said part of the reason he was able to save student Maddy Wilford after the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting was because Broward County EMS had recently equipped itself with the proper tools to treat “battlefield” wounds.
“We carry active-killer kits in our rescues,” Ojeda said. “That is a kit that has five tourniquets, five decompression needles, five hemostatic agents, five emergency trauma dressings.”
Antevy said today’s wounds demand a new kind of training.
“Everything we do is based on what the military has taught us,” he said. “We never used to carry tourniquets. We never used to carry chest seals.”
He said everything changed for EMS after the 2012 Sandy Hook mass shooting that killed 26.
Antevy said as mass casualty events become more common, it highlights the importance of civilian training, such as “Stop the Bleed.” Over the last three years, nearly 30,000 classes have been conducted for civilians"We have to have the general public understand that they are the first line of defense,” Antevy says. “And every city, every community in this country needs to roll out those bleeding kits, or these active killer kits… And every child has to learn how to do it.”
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