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Post by hopemax on Oct 1, 2024 17:03:55 GMT
Who is this supposed to help though? Voters get mad at the President in charge, so is this supposed to help Trump? The person, with a team that wants to bust all unions except for the cops? Making people angry at unions so they vote for the union busters? It’s not a strong play for the Longshoremen, long term.
To be honest, I don’t know enough to make specific comments but I get the sense that time and progress are coming for those particular types of jobs, in the manner they have been performed for generations. It happens. The union recognizes they are on the edge of being made obsolete and are using what they have as best they can. And the timing for their contract renewal is a detriment to their goals. Compounded by the Helene disaster. I think it will end up working as well as it did for the coal miners, long term.
Not everything is a conspiracy.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 1, 2024 17:07:19 GMT
Once again we are reminded that we rely on other countries for too many of our goods.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2024 17:13:40 GMT
And he thinks TFG will help him? x.com/BrotherMikeyX/status/1840770964314820647Who does he think gave corporations major tax cuts? Who does he think let Covid spread? Who does he think will have their backs. 50% raise not good enough? Show more: In a recent interview, Harold explains the impact of what will transpire when his workers go on strike at ports across the East and Gulf Coasts of the US. "When my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas, every single port locked down. You know what's going to happen? I'll tell you. First week, be all over the news every night, boom, boom, second week. Guys who sell cars can't sell cars, because the cars ain't coming in off the ships. They get laid off. Third week, malls are closing down. They can't get the goods from China. They can't sell clothes. They can't do this. Everything in the United States comes on a ship. They go out of business. Construction workers get laid off because the materials aren't coming in. The steel's not coming in. The lumber's not coming in. They lose their job. Everybody's hating the longshoremen now because now they realize how important our jobs are." Iessence, Harold is demanding that his workers receive higher wages and assurances that their jobs will be safe from automation and AI. President Biden has recently stated he does not intend to impose the Taft-Hartley Act, which would require longshoremen to go back to work for 90 days. As of now, the strike is set to begin on October 1st. Watch the clip and let me know what you're doing to prepare for such an impact on the US economy. And a whole lot more... |
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Post by Merge on Oct 1, 2024 17:18:29 GMT
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 1, 2024 17:19:37 GMT
And he thinks TFG will help him? x.com/BrotherMikeyX/status/1840770964314820647Who does he think gave corporations major tax cuts? Who does he think let Covid spread? Who does he think will have their backs. 50% raise not good enough? Show more: In a recent interview, Harold explains the impact of what will transpire when his workers go on strike at ports across the East and Gulf Coasts of the US. "When my men hit the streets from Maine to Texas, every single port locked down. You know what's going to happen? I'll tell you. First week, be all over the news every night, boom, boom, second week. Guys who sell cars can't sell cars, because the cars ain't coming in off the ships. They get laid off. Third week, malls are closing down. They can't get the goods from China. And a whole lot more... Thats just it. TFG is anti union so why does he think TFG will help him. He just bragged that he didn’t pay overtime but brought other people in. Not to mention all the times he never even paid people he owed. How anyone can think he is for the little guy and the worker is beyond me. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2024 17:30:17 GMT
Ah.... Long relationship with TFG.. Did he get paid while the workers did not? He believes what TFG promises? Minnesota Foxcom ring any bells? Ila President Daggett enjoys a long relationship with Donald Trump going back decades in New York City. Both Trump and Daggett are the same age and were both from Queens, New York. In late November 2023, former President Trump invited the ILA president to meet with him in Florida at Mar-a-Lago, “We had a wonderful, productive 90-minute meeting where I expressed to President Trump the threat of automation to American workers,” said ILA President Harold Daggett. “President Trump promised to support the ILA in its opposition to automated terminals in the U.S. Mr. Trump also listened to my concerns about Federal “Right To Work” laws which undermines unions and their ability to represent and fight for its membership.”ilaunion.org/ila-president-harold-daggett-asks-ila-members-to-pray-for-former-president-donald-trump-and-victims-at-saturdays-pennsylvania-rally-recalls-productive-meeting-last-november-with-trump/Thanks Merge |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 1, 2024 17:32:57 GMT
That guy even sounds like TFG in his wording. Maybe it is to help him the country be damned. If it is I really hope that gets out.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 1, 2024 17:41:12 GMT
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 1, 2024 17:52:45 GMT
^^^.......^^^.......^^^
The show more:
Oh they also could have done this in a month, but their leader loves Trump.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 1, 2024 17:54:22 GMT
Well damn. More and more coming out.
I do feel bad for the workers. I have read the average is 80k to 100k BUT they work 100+ hours a week. That breakdown isn't a good hourly wage, which they are. I believe most are hourly, not contract.
And we should be afraid of automation taking over. But we are the only country to not have it at the ports.
We need progress but at what cost to employees?
I hope this ends quickly. For everyone
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Post by mom on Oct 1, 2024 18:53:10 GMT
Can someone tell me why Biden hasn't used his power to stop the strike? I know he says he believes in collective bargaining, but he's used his powers in the past to stop the railroad strike two years ago. So what's the difference now?
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 1, 2024 19:13:32 GMT
Well damn. More and more coming out. I do feel bad for the workers. I have read the average is 80k to 100k BUT they work 100+ hours a week. That breakdown isn't a good hourly wage, which they are. I believe most are hourly, not contract. And we should be afraid of automation taking over. But we are the only country to not have it at the ports. We need progress but at what cost to employees? I hope this ends quickly. For everyone If that is true that isn’t right. They shouldn’t be working that many hours. 80-100k isn’t unrealistic but not for that many hours. That’s nuts. Maybe automation is needed and then they can have more reasonable hours and continue to make that amount with annual increases. |
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Post by hopemax on Oct 1, 2024 19:27:04 GMT
Longshoring is one of the most dangerous and destructive to the human body jobs there is. Like I said, I don't know a lot, but back in Washington one of our friends lived the longshoreman life. Yes, it paid them well. Yes, it provided stable jobs to themselves, their kids, their grandkids, all the cousins, etc. (they are the longshoreman hereditary job stereotype). But some of them died early, some of them their bodies are so broken down they can't enjoy the other parts of life. It's a hard life.
In these types of manual labor situation, I don't have a problem with automation taking over. One of the benefits of progress is that it allows humans to not have to work in jobs that will kill and harm you. It sucks for the people who are currently living that life, and planned on the hereditary connection to sustain their families. But time waits for no one. Which is why I support more initiatives to transition to other jobs. The problem is a lot of formerly manual labor jobs still exist, but now require advanced tech skills in addition to the remaining manual elements and as a society, we're going to have to do more along those lines to get people qualified to do those jobs.
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 1, 2024 19:34:23 GMT
Can someone tell me why Biden hasn't used his power to stop the strike? I know he says he believes in collective bargaining, but he's used his powers in the past to stop the railroad strike two years ago. So what's the difference now? I wonder if it was because we were still dealing with Pandemic shut down issues and things were still low stock and moving slow on top of it being the holidays. I do wonder if he will step in in a few days if a deal isn't reached. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 1, 2024 19:40:13 GMT
Ok so west coast longshoreman is $39-46 an hour. Average is 40, with a lot of overtime available.
So if 40 hrs that is about 6800 a month before taxes and stuff.
I looked on Indeed.
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Post by Ryann on Oct 1, 2024 19:43:05 GMT
Can someone tell me why Biden hasn't used his power to stop the strike? I know he says he believes in collective bargaining, but he's used his powers in the past to stop the railroad strike two years ago. So what's the difference now? I don't know the answer to your questions, but if I had to guess, it would be that it had to do with the pandemic recovery and inflation/recession concerns. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 1, 2024 19:57:00 GMT
Can someone tell me why Biden hasn't used his power to stop the strike? I know he says he believes in collective bargaining, but he's used his powers in the past to stop the railroad strike two years ago. So what's the difference now? I wonder if it was because we were still dealing with Pandemic shut down issues and things were still low stock and moving slow on top of it being the holidays. I do wonder if he will step in in a few days if a deal isn't reached. Union leader said in that article I linked that, if Biden forces them back to work, they plan to work so slowly that it might as well be a strike. So there's that. |
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Post by hopemax on Oct 1, 2024 20:10:43 GMT
Can someone tell me why Biden hasn't used his power to stop the strike? I know he says he believes in collective bargaining, but he's used his powers in the past to stop the railroad strike two years ago. So what's the difference now? From what I have just Googled. The blocking of the railroad strike was subject to legislation passed by Congress. It passed in the House 290-137, and in the Senate 80-15. These are veto-proof thresholds, I think. What Biden did is sign the legislation, and not force a veto override. Also, 8 of the 12 involved unions had already agreed to the negotiated agreement. What people are asking for now, doesn't go through Congress but is a Presidential power granted by the Taft-Hartley Act, and there is no basic agreement. |
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Post by hopemax on Oct 3, 2024 23:21:45 GMT
3 month agreement reached for a wage hike for now. They will return in January to discuss everything else. I’m guessing Helene changed the calculus here. And maybe the workers didn’t want to help Trump.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 3, 2024 23:50:55 GMT
And the union president has an interesting life... Union boss who threatened to ‘cripple’ economy lives in luxe, 7,000-square-foot mansionBy Ariel Zilber Published Oct. 2, 2024 Updated Oct. 2, 2024, 4:50 p.m. ET Harold Daggett — the union boss who has vowed to “cripple” the US economy if ports don’t ban automation and raise dockworkers’ wages sharply — had a Bentley convertible parked outside his sprawling mansion in New Jersey this week, exclusive photos obtained by The Post reveal. Photos taken by drone on Tuesday show the British luxury car parked with its top up outside what appears to be a five-car garage that’s connected to his 7,136-square-foot, Tudor-style home by a covered skyway. *** The hulking, two-story mansion — located on a 10-acre property in Sparta, a leafy enclave 50 miles west of New York City — encircles a spacious backyard patio with an amoeba-shaped pool. *** The posh compound is nestled in a picturesque section of the Garden State near the Delaware Water Gap, where five-bedroom homes list for as much as $6 million, according to Zillow. *** One realtor who spoke to The Post said Daggett put the four-bedroom, six-and-a-half-bathroom property on the market in 2004 at a listing price of $3.1 million before reducing it to $2.9 million. He eventually took it off the market. Daggett, who fought back federal accusations of having Mafia ties, became president of the International Longshoremen’s Association in 2011, a job that comes with a salary of $728,000 annually on top of an additional $173,000 from ILA-Local 1804-1. nypost.com/2024/10/02/business/harold-daggetts-sprawling-nj-mansion-has-bentley-5-car-garage-and-guest-house/ |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2024 0:02:47 GMT
This relates to the above piece.. The strike has been suspended until Jan 15.. Political observers and experts are raising alarms about the International Longshoreman's Association union strike, which has seen dockworkers suspend their duties unloading cargo at ports along the East and Gulf Coasts — speculating whether the head of the union is attempting economic sabotage in favor of former President Donald Trump.USMX, the key guild of maritime employers, offered the ILA upwards of 60 percent salary increases in their new contracts. The ILA, however, is demanding even higher increases, as well as the continuation of exorbitant fees to handle shipping containers — a practice so expensive, according to maritime journalist John Konrad, that U.S. ports frequently ship freight over roads hundreds of miles at ten times the expense to consumers rather than transport containers onto secondary barges at a fraction of the price to consumers — as well as a total ban on any new technology to automate ports, which industry experts have warned could destroy the competitiveness of U.S. *** The extreme nature of the demands has caused speculation among observers that the whole thing might be a ploy to get Trump elected.*** Authoritarianism expert Ruth Ben-Ghiat had similar concerns to Bunch: "Economic sabotage to create conditions for public to think democracy is failing and accept unlawful removal of a progressive government has been part of the right-wing playbook for many decades. It prepared the public to accept a coup in Chile in 1973." There is no evidence that Daggett's labor demands are meant to influence the presidential election; the ILA has not endorsed a candidate for president, although Daggett was photographed with Trump shortly after the former president survived an assassination attempt in Pennsylvania. For now, both President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, whose administration has aggressively pursued pro-labor policies, have spoken in support of the ILA dockworkers' ongoing demands. www.rawstory.com/ila-port-strike-heads-explode/ |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 1:00:00 GMT
OK, clearly I was overly optimistic and wrong. I'm relieved they reached an agreement without too much disruption. I think I read somewhere that for every day the ports were closed, it would take 6 days to recover. I hope the workers get the pay and agreement on automation that they're seeking. The union president seems a little shady. |
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Post by mom on Oct 4, 2024 1:05:36 GMT
Yeah, I am going to go ahead and note on my calendar for Jan 14. I will be shocked if this resolves itself in 3 months.
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Post by Laurie on Oct 4, 2024 2:43:38 GMT
Yeah, I am going to go ahead and note on my calendar for Jan 14. I will be shocked if this resolves itself in 3 months. Same here. Unfortunately when I first read your OP a couple of weeks ago I didn’t plan accordingly at work so I view this as giving me 3 months to make sure I have worked on acquiring adequate raw materials for critical customers. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 4, 2024 10:45:35 GMT
Ok so west coast longshoreman is $39-46 an hour. Average is 40, with a lot of overtime available. So if 40 hrs that is about 6800 a month before taxes and stuff. I looked on Indeed. From the NYT: “A 62 percent increase would raise the top longshoremen’s wage to just over $63 per hour at the end of a new six-year contract, from today’s $39 per hour. And at $63 an hour, the wages of East and Gulf Coast longshoremen would slightly exceed those that will be earned by West Coast longshoremen, who belong to a different union, at the end of their contract in 2027.” I am surprised at how much $$ they make. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 4, 2024 13:02:43 GMT
Ok so west coast longshoreman is $39-46 an hour. Average is 40, with a lot of overtime available. So if 40 hrs that is about 6800 a month before taxes and stuff. I looked on Indeed. From the NYT: “A 62 percent increase would raise the top longshoremen’s wage to just over $63 per hour at the end of a new six-year contract, from today’s $39 per hour. And at $63 an hour, the wages of East and Gulf Coast longshoremen would slightly exceed those that will be earned by West Coast longshoremen, who belong to a different union, at the end of their contract in 2027.” I am surprised at how much $$ they make. It is one of the most dangerous labor jobs and they are kind of essential for us. I am glad they got their raise. Majority work 100 hours a week to make ends meet. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 4, 2024 14:41:15 GMT
From the NYT: “A 62 percent increase would raise the top longshoremen’s wage to just over $63 per hour at the end of a new six-year contract, from today’s $39 per hour. And at $63 an hour, the wages of East and Gulf Coast longshoremen would slightly exceed those that will be earned by West Coast longshoremen, who belong to a different union, at the end of their contract in 2027.” I am surprised at how much $$ they make. It is one of the most dangerous labor jobs and they are kind of essential for us. I am glad they got their raise. Majority work 100 hours a week to make ends meet. That’s a LOT of hours. 😳 |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 4, 2024 21:27:37 GMT
It is one of the most dangerous labor jobs and they are kind of essential for us. I am glad they got their raise. Majority work 100 hours a week to make ends meet. That’s a LOT of hours. 😳 It really is. It sounds like they need more employees or some automation with raised wages for the hours worked. No one should have to work 100 hours a week. I know they don’t want automation but you would think there could be some compromise along with higher wages to offset things. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Oct 4, 2024 22:14:45 GMT
It really is. It sounds like they need more employees or some automation with raised wages for the hours worked. No one should have to work 100 hours a week. I know they don’t want automation but you would think there could be some compromise along with higher wages to offset things. I think it's easy to get that because of how a lot of their shifts are. 8 hours on, 8 off, 8 on. So you could easily pull 16 hr days. I heard from a few on TT that a lot want the overtime and gladly take it. |
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Post by hop2 on Oct 5, 2024 10:12:54 GMT
Well damn. More and more coming out. I do feel bad for the workers. I have read the average is 80k to 100k BUT they work 100+ hours a week. That breakdown isn't a good hourly wage, which they are. I believe most are hourly, not contract. And we should be afraid of automation taking over. But we are the only country to not have it at the ports. We need progress but at what cost to employees? I hope this ends quickly. For everyone If that is true that isn’t right. They shouldn’t be working that many hours. 80-100k isn’t unrealistic but not for that many hours. That’s nuts. Maybe automation is needed and then they can have more reasonable hours and continue to make that amount with annual increases. $80-$100k is an unrealistic salary to support a family in NY, NJ,MA & MD in todays economy. When rent is avg $2000/ month. Deduct taxes, medical ins, union dues from that gross figure and what left will not support a family now, not to mention their contracts are 10 years long! They are bargaining for what they’ll be paid in 2033! They aren’t getting a 66% raise tomorrow. If they’re working 80-100 hours a week who is caring for their family? Those hours sincerely limits the persons partner from what hours they could work. ( I say that as the former partner of someone who worked 70 hours a week ) child care is high cost as well. ( and rightly so as childcare worker could not live on what they were being paid prepandemic. ) Without getting too far into internal union politics on a public forum. I’m sure the union president is just fine with his $800k a year salary, he does come off like a jerk in interviews though. And as far as union leadership supporting Trump, well yeah if they make $800k a year aren’t they part of the 5% & they don’t want higher taxes on their investments? Although gop voters frequently vote against their own interests so that shouldn’t surprise us either. |
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