pantsonfire
Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
Posts: 6,273
Jun 19, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
|
Post by pantsonfire on Sept 25, 2024 18:36:33 GMT
I have been dealing with lip swelling for 5+ years - working with an allergist that long too. I've done testing, I'm allergic to many non food things. Tested for metals. Nothing. The conclusion at the moment is that certain foods high in histamine trigger this for me and more so if I have an illness or am tired already. I can eat the same meal while feeling fine, nothing and then again the next week with a mild cold and have Mick Jagger lips. I eat 50% or more plant based, 85% vegetarian (occasionally chicken/fish) and 100% gluten free. I hope you find a better answer than mine! Oral allergy! Not necessarily. Dd got swollen lips with strawberries. No allergy marker came back. It's the histamine she reacts to.
|
|
|
Post by Miss Ang on Sept 25, 2024 18:41:06 GMT
My friend recently had this happen and it was narrowed down to a sudden onset of an allergy to mangos. She's eaten mangos all her life and never had a reaction before. Hope you're ok, jeremysgirl
|
|
|
Post by nicolecardella on Sept 25, 2024 19:22:56 GMT
I just don't know why suddenly I'd be developing allergies to everything. The only out of the ordinary thing that happened yesterday is that I had my teeth cleaned. Was it the latex gloves in my mouth? That could be the cause, but it could also be the cleaning itself. They might be using a different kind of paste. Or a new instrument where you might be allergic to the metal used. Or yes, the latex. Although most dental practices use non-latex gloves now due to so many people being allergic to latex. Take some Benadryl and see if that helps. It’s not the metal instruments. Those are surgical grade. Likely either the latex…if they used latex gloves or something in the polishing paste
|
|
|
Post by gillyp on Sept 25, 2024 19:25:57 GMT
There was a NYT article in the past week about peanut allergies - my daughter has one - and how they now think that the guidance to avoid peanuts in young children was likely a cause of more allergies. The rise of peanut allergies after pediatricians started giving this guidance on avoidance is stunningly high. I read of this line of thought a few weeks ago - that they are suggesting exposure to nuts from a young age helps reduce reactions later on. Nut allergies were pretty much unheard of when I was a child and there would have been no nuts around children/babies at that time so I don't understand how that can be the case. Is it the nuts or something in the soil, on the crops etc.??
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 25, 2024 19:28:14 GMT
That could be the cause, but it could also be the cleaning itself. They might be using a different kind of paste. Or a new instrument where you might be allergic to the metal used. Or yes, the latex. Although most dental practices use non-latex gloves now due to so many people being allergic to latex. Take some Benadryl and see if that helps. It’s not the metal instruments. Those are surgical grade. Likely either the latex…if they used latex gloves or something in the polishing paste My sister said nothing had changed since the last time I went for a cleaning. And non-latex gloves too.
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 25, 2024 20:12:18 GMT
There was a NYT article in the past week about peanut allergies - my daughter has one - and how they now think that the guidance to avoid peanuts in young children was likely a cause of more allergies. The rise of peanut allergies after pediatricians started giving this guidance on avoidance is stunningly high. I read of this line of thought a few weeks ago - that they are suggesting exposure to nuts from a young age helps reduce reactions later on. Nut allergies were pretty much unheard of when I was a child and there would have been no nuts around children/babies at that time so I don't understand how that can be the case. Is it the nuts or something in the soil, on the crops etc.?? Gill you didn't have nuts when you were a kid? Peanut butter was a huge staple in my childhood. I assume my mom was feeding it to me when I was toddler.
|
|
|
Post by flanz on Sept 25, 2024 20:32:25 GMT
So sorry you've had such a serious reaction Becky!! ((( hugs )))
I developed several food intolerances starting in my mid 20s: Dairy and oranges wrought havoc on my body
mid 30s: FISH! Now a potentially fatal food for me. I've been instructed to NEVER attempt adding it back in to my diet, and I am extremely careful when I eat out, asking about fish sauce.
mid 40s: coffee, cinnamon and wheat caused asthma symptoms, non-stop coughing, not wheezing
Over the years I have added some of these things gradually back in, sometimes it was ok, sometimes the reactions came rushing back or slightly altered.
I am NEVER going to eat fish or oranges again, super scary results, the oranges causing psychiatric symptoms. Honest.
Am currently eating wheat and cheese (raw dairy far worse for me), this is not lactose intolerance, it's a reaction to the milk protein, and when it is denatures by baking, as in lasagna, it is far more easily accepted by my body.
I hope you figure out the source of your issues so you know what to avoid!! In my experience it's all been trial an error.
xoxo
|
|
samantha25
Pearl Clutcher
Posts: 3,184
Jun 27, 2014 19:06:19 GMT
|
Post by samantha25 on Sept 25, 2024 20:53:49 GMT
Were the eggs real, shell eggs or liquid eggs?
Did you use any Burt's Bee lip balm or mascara that has propolis? My lips swelled from Burt's Bee lip balm and many mascaras have propolis as an ingredient.
|
|
|
Post by gillyp on Sept 25, 2024 20:56:52 GMT
I read of this line of thought a few weeks ago - that they are suggesting exposure to nuts from a young age helps reduce reactions later on. Nut allergies were pretty much unheard of when I was a child and there would have been no nuts around children/babies at that time so I don't understand how that can be the case. Is it the nuts or something in the soil, on the crops etc.?? Gill you didn't have nuts when you were a kid? Peanut butter was a huge staple in my childhood. I assume my mom was feeding it to me when I was toddler. Nuts in themselves were too expensive and were only around at Christmas time if then. I don't think peanut butter was a thing here till maybe the late 1970s. I doubt my mother bought a jar in her lifetime, in fact I know she didn't and I don't recall giving it to my kids in the 1980/90s either. The first time I bought a jar was probably within the last 20 years or so.
|
|
|
Post by Scrapper100 on Sept 25, 2024 22:16:52 GMT
Wow this is scary. I hope you figure it out. Twice in three weeks. I hope you are feeling better soon. I’m glad you are getting an epipen just in case. Both of these seem so different from each other.
I have to say this has been an interesting and educational thread. I had no idea so many could develop allergies later in life.
|
|
RedSquirrelUK
Drama Llama
Posts: 6,920
Location: The UK's beautiful West Country
Aug 2, 2014 13:03:45 GMT
|
Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 25, 2024 22:43:17 GMT
jeremysgirl I never thought I had a problem with some foods, until I gave them up for an elimination diet - and when I went back on them again I reacted horribly. I carry an Epipen now too, although I've never needed it. My allergist likened it to a bucket of water. If you eat foods which don't suit you all the time, the water is permanently muddy and you don't notice an extra spoonful of mud. But if you eat only foods which do suit you the water is clean, so if you tip a spoonful of mud in, it shows. It also may not be one food. It could be a combination of several, which makes identification really tricky. Oh, and peri-menopause and menopause can also trigger allergies/sensitivities, especially if you have a family history and/or childhood allergies, eczema/asthma/hay fever. I hope the allergy testing helps you. Hugs
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 25, 2024 23:22:53 GMT
Were the eggs real, shell eggs or liquid eggs? Did you use any Burt's Bee lip balm or mascara that has propolis? My lips swelled from Burt's Bee lip balm and many mascaras have propolis as an ingredient. I don't know about the eggs. Whatever Denny's uses. I rarely ever wear makeup. And the make up I do have is Mary Kay. Which I've been using for a very long time.
|
|
|
Post by kachilyn on Sept 25, 2024 23:29:23 GMT
I have been dealing with lip swelling for 5+ years - working with an allergist that long too. I've done testing, I'm allergic to many non food things. Tested for metals. Nothing. The conclusion at the moment is that certain foods high in histamine trigger this for me and more so if I have an illness or am tired already. I can eat the same meal while feeling fine, nothing and then again the next week with a mild cold and have Mick Jagger lips. I eat 50% or more plant based, 85% vegetarian (occasionally chicken/fish) and 100% gluten free. I hope you find a better answer than mine! Look at low histamine diet. Some people are able to slowly add back certain high histamine foods. Dd was able to add back a little tomato products (ketchup) but not strawberry or pineapple. She also can not have any pepper (bell pepper is especially bad for her). Hers is connected to her Dysautonomia and POTS. Yes, its the histamine. I eat a fairly low histamine diet and take antihistamine+pepcid meds. I suspect mild MCAS but hard to get a diagnoses!
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 25, 2024 23:30:04 GMT
RedSquirrelUK I honestly didn't think much of the reaction a few weeks ago. I do have eczema and psoriasis. The thing is my eczema has been in remission for almost two years now. And I don't know if the plant based diet is the cause but the psoriasis which has been plaguing me is almost completely gone now. I thought maybe the plant based diet had that effect on the psoriasis. I liked how you described that bucket of muddy water. I think I have been eating so well. Like almost totally unprocessed, plant based, clean eating. And then last night I had that sandwich. It's the only thing I ate. Ham, scrambled eggs, cheese on toasted bread that I'm sure was also coated in butter. Now I will say that I have seen in some reading and documentaries that many, many people can't really process dairy. But they don't know it. I have heard many times of people who are vegan trying something dairy and feeling quite sick. So it's possible the body just doesn't like dairy either. And I am thick in perimenopause right now.
|
|
peabay
Prolific Pea
Posts: 9,940
Jun 25, 2014 19:50:41 GMT
|
Post by peabay on Sept 25, 2024 23:34:39 GMT
RedSquirrelUK I honestly didn't think much of the reaction a few weeks ago. I do have eczema and psoriasis. The thing is my eczema has been in remission for almost two years now. And I don't know if the plant based diet is the cause but the psoriasis which has been plaguing me is almost completely gone now. I thought maybe the plant based diet had that effect on the psoriasis. I liked how you described that bucket of muddy water. I think I have been eating so well. Like almost totally unprocessed, plant based, clean eating. And then last night I had that sandwich. It's the only thing I ate. Ham, scrambled eggs, cheese on toasted bread that I'm sure was also coated in butter. Now I will say that I have seen in some reading and documentaries that many, many people can't really process dairy. But they don't know it. I have heard many times of people who are vegan trying something dairy and feeling quite sick. So it's possible the body just doesn't like dairy either. And I am thick in perimenopause right now. I don't have an allergy but my gut really doesn't like dairy. I feel so, so, so much better when I avoid it completely. I hope you find out what's plaguing you!
|
|
pantsonfire
Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
Posts: 6,273
Jun 19, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
|
Post by pantsonfire on Sept 25, 2024 23:46:08 GMT
Look at low histamine diet. Some people are able to slowly add back certain high histamine foods. Dd was able to add back a little tomato products (ketchup) but not strawberry or pineapple. She also can not have any pepper (bell pepper is especially bad for her). Hers is connected to her Dysautonomia and POTS. Yes, its the histamine. I eat a fairly low histamine diet and take antihistamine+pepcid meds. I suspect mild MCAS but hard to get a diagnoses! Did you know there is a new genetic test for it? Instead of testing tryptase, it uses genetics. We are working to get it covered for myself and dd through insurance. Our tryptase have spiked but never been over the low limit threshold.
|
|
|
Post by gillyp on Sept 26, 2024 7:29:47 GMT
Now I will say that I have seen in some reading and documentaries that many, many people can't really process dairy. But they don't know it. I have heard many times of people who are vegan trying something dairy and feeling quite sick. So it's possible the body just doesn't like dairy either. And I am thick in perimenopause right now. Dairy can cause lots of inflammation in the body. I never thought it was affecting me but before I became plant based I had bad arthritis in my hands; I couldn’t curl my fingers down to touch my palms. I’ve not had cows milk, as such, for over 5 years and my hands have been flexible in that time. On the odd occasion I eat ice cream or something mainly milky my hands start stiffening again, get really painful and I can’t bend them. I can tolerate cheese and will have that if there’s nothing else available. My mother suffered really badly with arthritis and milky coffee was her choice of drink. I wonder now if that exacerbated her condition. This thread shows what a fine balance our bodies truly are.
|
|
wellway
Prolific Pea
Posts: 9,073
Jun 25, 2014 20:50:09 GMT
|
Post by wellway on Sept 26, 2024 7:42:36 GMT
Hope you are feeling much better today.
Your comment about make-up reminded me that my mum had a terrible reaction to eyeshadow, this was years ago, I was young and my mum rarely wore make-up so I noticed when she did. That night her eyelids reacted really badly, turns out fish scales were, and are possibly still, used to give a shimmer effect.
Probably explains why I never experimented with make-up.
|
|
RedSquirrelUK
Drama Llama
Posts: 6,920
Location: The UK's beautiful West Country
Aug 2, 2014 13:03:45 GMT
|
Post by RedSquirrelUK on Sept 26, 2024 8:07:25 GMT
Hope you are feeling much better today. Your comment about make-up reminded me that my mum had a terrible reaction to eyeshadow, this was years ago, I was young and my mum rarely wore make-up so I noticed when she did. That night her eyelids reacted really badly, turns out fish scales were, and are possibly still, used to give a shimmer effect. Probably explains why I never experimented with make-up. YES! My father was a pharmacist and ran his own shop. I got the old testers and damaged makeup, so I tried them out in my teens. My eyes swelled shut. But my allergy - proper histamine/anaphylactic reaction rather than intolerance or sensitivity - is to some fish. I discovered decades ago about the fish scales in eye shadow. I have no idea whether they still use it, but another of my sensitivities is corn, and they almost certainly use corn starch in these eye shadows and blushers so I avoid them. Still, if I cheek-kiss someone wearing lots of makeup, that side of my face will come out in hives.
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 26, 2024 10:07:17 GMT
Hope you are feeling much better today. Your comment about make-up reminded me that my mum had a terrible reaction to eyeshadow, this was years ago, I was young and my mum rarely wore make-up so I noticed when she did. That night her eyelids reacted really badly, turns out fish scales were, and are possibly still, used to give a shimmer effect. Probably explains why I never experimented with make-up. I did not know that about eyeshadow. I do not wear it. On the occasions I do wear makeup, it is limited to mascara, a light foundation, and lipstick. It could totally have been the makeup that caused this reaction. I have not worn make up in a very long time. But I did have a job interview Tuesday and I did put it on. But I wore it all day with no reaction and then I washed it off before bed.
|
|
|
Post by peasapie on Sept 26, 2024 10:41:22 GMT
Four years ago I developed, out of nowhere, an allergy to regular toothpaste. My lips swelled up so much my husband thought I’d gotten lip filler. I have no idea why, nor do I know what it is in toothpaste that causes the reaction. I can only use Tom’s of Maine toothpaste.
I didn’t develop other allergies, just that one, but it sounds like you might be reacting to a few different things. Carry antihistamines and see an allergist. You might need an epi pen just in case.
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 26, 2024 10:41:48 GMT
My upper lip is a little swollen again this morning. And I have a patch of hives on my arm.
I'm going to wash my sheets today. With just detergent. No fabric softener, scent beads or dryer sheets. Because I'm wondering if that could be causing the reactions.
I ate all plant based yesterday.
|
|
peppermintpatty
Pearl Clutcher
Refupea #1345
Posts: 3,990
Jun 26, 2014 17:47:08 GMT
|
Post by peppermintpatty on Sept 26, 2024 12:06:41 GMT
Not necessarily. Dd got swollen lips with strawberries. No allergy marker came back. It's the histamine she reacts to. Yeah, it's the histamine mixed with certain fruits/veggies at certain times of the year. Strawberries in winter probably wouldn't elicit a reaction but other times it does.
|
|
pantsonfire
Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
Posts: 6,273
Jun 19, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
|
Post by pantsonfire on Sept 26, 2024 12:51:07 GMT
Not necessarily. Dd got swollen lips with strawberries. No allergy marker came back. It's the histamine she reacts to. Yeah, it's the histamine mixed with certain fruits/veggies at certain times of the year. Strawberries in winter probably wouldn't elicit a reaction but other times it does. Dd's reaction was in January.
|
|
pantsonfire
Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
Posts: 6,273
Jun 19, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
|
Post by pantsonfire on Sept 26, 2024 12:59:40 GMT
My upper lip is a little swollen again this morning. And I have a patch of hives on my arm. I'm going to wash my sheets today. With just detergent. No fabric softener, scent beads or dryer sheets. Because I'm wondering if that could be causing the reactions. I ate all plant based yesterday. Could be. Also severe reactions can do that. Did you stop taking the Benadryl? It can sometimes take up to several weeks to get better. It took me a solid 2 weeks to get over the severe anaphylaxis reaction I had to cherries. Make sure to write down what you ate and see if any are high histamine foods. And write down detergent and whatever else is used.
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 26, 2024 13:03:57 GMT
Did you stop taking the Benadryl? I took it yesterday and then again this morning. My lip swelling has gone down since taking it this morning. It can sometimes take up to several weeks to get better. I did not know that. Thank you for sharing so I don't feel like I should be totally fine now.
|
|
pantsonfire
Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
Posts: 6,273
Jun 19, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
|
Post by pantsonfire on Sept 26, 2024 13:06:46 GMT
Did you stop taking the Benadryl? I took it yesterday and then again this morning. My lip swelling has gone down since taking it this morning. It can sometimes take up to several weeks to get better. I did not know that. Thank you for sharing so I don't feel like I should be totally fine now. It can take awhile for your body to heal. Also did the mention not got water for showers? Luke warm is best. Heat can trigger the hives. Cold compresses can help too. Loose clothing, not right. Gentle lotion, gentle cleansers on hives/rash.
|
|
pantsonfire
Drama Llama
Take a step back, evaluate what is important, and enjoy your life with those who you love.
Posts: 6,273
Jun 19, 2022 16:48:04 GMT
|
Post by pantsonfire on Sept 26, 2024 13:07:51 GMT
I forgot the medical name but those who have severe or anaphylaxis reactions can get a second one. I have always been warned to look out for certain things when I am discharged from the ER.
|
|
|
Post by jeremysgirl on Sept 26, 2024 13:55:32 GMT
Also did the mention not got water for showers? Luke warm is best. Heat can trigger the hives. The good news is that I actually don't like hot showers. LOL!
|
|
|
Post by kachilyn on Sept 26, 2024 14:05:57 GMT
Yes, its the histamine. I eat a fairly low histamine diet and take antihistamine+pepcid meds. I suspect mild MCAS but hard to get a diagnoses! Did you know there is a new genetic test for it? Instead of testing tryptase, it uses genetics. We are working to get it covered for myself and dd through insurance. Our tryptase have spiked but never been over the low limit threshold. Oh! I did not know! I will ask my allergist at my December appt. My ANA titers are always up (have celiac but eat GF soooo) but my tryptase have been fine in the past. I already take the first level of meds they would use to treat MCAS.
|
|