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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2024 20:07:54 GMT
Page 8 TFG says 'make them riot'
Direct evidence that Pence he told TFG that there was no evidence of fraud...
Weissman calling many bombs in filing...
Sorry when I posted it was not yet online. They were reading live on TV...
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Post by bossymom on Oct 2, 2024 20:25:39 GMT
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Post by jill8909 on Oct 2, 2024 21:06:14 GMT
next:
fat donnie's donations go up.
WTF
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Post by Merge on Oct 2, 2024 21:08:10 GMT
The "party of law and order" will happily vote for the convicted felon and obvious traitor.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 2, 2024 22:13:08 GMT
I really hope this opens some eyes that he knew he lost that there wasn’t significant voter fraud. What I have seen so has been worse than I expected to see. I’m glad this has been released
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 2, 2024 22:13:21 GMT
"Oh, but both sides have issues..."
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2024 22:57:52 GMT
CNN CNN — A federal judge in Washington, DC, has released the most comprehensive narrative to date of the 2020 election conspiracy case against Donald Trump, outlining what special counsel Jack Smith describes as the former president’s “private criminal conduct.” The 165-page document comes from Smith’s office and is the fullest accounting yet of evidence in the election subversion case against Trump. www.cnn.com/2024/10/02/politics/jack-smith-donald-trump-filing/index.html |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2024 23:00:38 GMT
ABC The lengthy filing -- which includes an 80-page summary of the evidence gathered by investigators -- outlines multiple instances in which Trump allegedly heard from advisers who disproved his allegations, yet continued to spread his claims of outcome-determinative voter fraud, prosecutors said. "It doesn't matter if you won or lost the election. You still have to fight like hell," Trump allegedly told members of his family following the 2020 election, the filing said. According to prosecutors, Trump "laid the groundwork for his crimes well before" Election Day, including by sowing doubt among his supporters and planning to declare victory immediately, despite multiple advisers telling him that the results were unlikely to be finalized on Election Day. abc7ny.com/politics/filing-new-allegations-of-trumps-efforts-to-overturn-2020-election/15385394/ |
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Post by Gem Girl on Oct 2, 2024 23:15:50 GMT
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Post by Merge on Oct 2, 2024 23:17:59 GMT
I really hope this opens some eyes that he knew he lost that there wasn’t significant voter fraud. What I have seen so has been worse than I expected to see. I’m glad this has been released It won't matter. The people who are going to vote for him don't care about any of it. They're as sleazy as he is at this point. Rough way to view a significant number of your fellow Americans, but here we all are. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 2, 2024 23:29:13 GMT
Here's a section.. from Marc Elias "I think this is a blockbuster document, but one sentence encapsulates it all," said Elias. "Donald Trump told his family, 'It didn't matter if you won or lost the election, you still have to fight like hell.' He knew he lost. He put the nation through 60-plus lawsuits. When that failed, he organized an insurrection of the nation's Capitol. This man should not be anywhere near the Oval Office." Another "important point," Elias told Wallace, is that the timeline Smith lays out shows Trump was orchestrating the whole plot to overturn the election, in ways that had nothing to do with official actions — the distinction the Supreme Court said determines immunity. "If you go back to a much more mundane part of the post-election, or at the time seemed mundane, Donald Trump wound up placing a call to the state canvassing board members for Wayne County, Michigan," said Elias. "It was kind of an odd thing at the time that you had the President of the United States calling two local canvass board members with the RNC chairwoman trying to pressure them not to certify Detroit." And this, ultimately, led to Trump's infamous phone call to Georgia's Republican secretary of state demanding he "find" extra votes. "We know now he was hands-on in almost every stage of this post-election process for almost everything we are aware of that was done wrong," said Elias. "He is hands-on in trying to pressure Mike Pence. He is hands-on in trying to pressure or to build this January 6th insurrection rally effort. He was involved because he did not want to lose power, and I think a lot of the people around him knew he lost, and others knew he had lost, but were willing to humor him, but was the only one spending 24 hours a day, seven days a week, every moment, trying to figure out a way around leaving office. www.rawstory.com/jack-smith-special-counsel-2669315196/ |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Oct 2, 2024 23:47:45 GMT
I really hope this opens some eyes that he knew he lost that there wasn’t significant voter fraud. What I have seen so has been worse than I expected to see. I’m glad this has been released It won't matter. The people who are going to vote for him don't care about any of it. They're as sleazy as he is at this point. Rough way to view a significant number of your fellow Americans, but here we all are. I’m sure you are right I just keep hoping that they will wake up. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 3, 2024 19:33:08 GMT
If you care to match up the names to the references in the document:  |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 4, 2024 1:11:23 GMT
I need the Cliffs Notes version of this!
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 1:42:40 GMT
She's definitely progressive, but I like her perspective and she sums it up pretty well politics girlPoliticsGirl
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 4, 2024 1:55:59 GMT
I was wondering whether Jack Smith felt a bit of schadenfreude, thinking about the recent SC ruling. His team did a stellar job of detailing Trump’s use of private attorneys, private citizens, etc. How could he not?
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 1:58:53 GMT
Interesting prediction about the release, Trump becoming more unhinged and the billionaire evangelical class pressuring Trump to step aside after Vance's performance. Chaos in the Republican Party. I'm all for it, too mayhemBill Madden
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Post by edie3 on Oct 4, 2024 2:17:52 GMT
pressuring Trump to step aside Dear Lord, I have not thought of this. Heaven help us all. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 3:45:06 GMT
pressuring Trump to step aside Dear Lord, I have not thought of this. Heaven help us all. He's too much of a narcissist to ever put the needs of the country or party before his own, so it doesn't seem too likely. But there could definitely be more chaos in the Republican Party. Anything to speed the demise of the party and out of the ashes, maybe, hopefully, a new party will emerge without Trump, Vance or MAGA |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 4, 2024 3:53:59 GMT
Definitely chilling and a huge red flag for this November. An insight into Trump's way of thinking - the details and actual results of the election don't matter. Another exclamation point on the danger he presents to democracy. www.nytimes.com/2024/10/03/us/politics/trump-2020-election-results.htmlBut, one month before Trump is on the ballot again, it also offered new details that paint a chilling picture of the way the former president and current candidate seems to think about elections: as an exercise in which the vote total is entirely beside the point. In his world, adverse election results were an obstacle, not an outcome.
“It doesn’t matter if you won or lost the election,” Trump told family members at one point, according to the filing. “You still have to fight like hell.”
Coming at a time when his allies, including his running mate, Senator JD Vance of Ohio, have tried to downplay Trump’s efforts to hold onto power four years ago, the filing offers a glimpse of Trump’s thinking that makes it difficult to imagine him accepting a loss in November
The filing sheds new light on the way Trump and his advisers viewed the number of votes he had won as little more than a trifling detail. Trump and his allies have argued that he contested the results in any way he could because he genuinely believed they were fraudulent.
The filing lays out the ways Trump dismissed the real numbers. He sidelined advisers who knew that results, as they were, meant he had not won, and relied instead on the counsel of allies like Rudolph Giuliani, the former New York mayor. He ignored or even threatened swing state Republicans who presented him with inconvenient truths, as when a person who appears to be Brad Raffensperger, Georgia’s secretary of state, said the state had found evidence that only two voters who had died had cast ballots — not thousands, as Trump had claimed.
As they looked for ways to gum up the electoral certification process at any level, Trump and his allies knew confusion and conjecture were their most important tools.
“We don’t have the evidence,” a person who appears to be Giuliani told state legislators in Arizona in early December, “but we have lots of theories.”
They also seemed to understand that just the existence of lawsuits would help legitimize Trump’s claims in the minds of the public. That might be why Trump showed so little concern when he was told by an adviser that Giuliani’s false claims of fraud could not be proved in court.
“The details don’t matter,” Trump said.
And, reading Smith’s court filing now, there are striking parallels between Trump and his allies’ actions in 2020 and certain steps they are taking today — and it’s something Democrats and allies of Vice President Kamala Harris are warning about as they make the case that Trump is a danger to democracy.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 4, 2024 13:21:33 GMT
Dear Lord, I have not thought of this. Heaven help us all. He's too much of a narcissist to ever put the needs of the country or party before his own, so it doesn't seem too likely. But there could definitely be more chaos in the Republican Party. Anything to speed the demise of the party and out of the ashes, maybe, hopefully, a new party will emerge without Trump, Vance or MAGA I think you’re being far too hopeful about the future of the Republican Party. Right now so many in the MAGA hoard are so deeply into the thick of it that sadly I don’t think that it’s going away even after Trump implodes. They’ve been so completely brainwashed that it would almost take an act of God to make that many people change their minds simultaneously. They believe his myriad lies all the way down to the rotten core. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 4, 2024 14:20:11 GMT
I need the Cliffs Notes version of this! Trump & Co knew he lost and still chose to sow discord, break the law, and lie. Highlights include TFG hanging out on Twitter while watching Jan 6 unfold on TV and riling people up (for ove 2 hours), Giuliani texting / leaving VMs for unintended people to overturn the results, and people being too scared of their Orange God to do the right damn thing so as to avoid upsetting the screaming toddler. |
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Post by naby64 on Oct 4, 2024 15:35:19 GMT
Has anyone else had a browser open of the 165 page document? Trying to decide if they want to print it with the cheat codes and just leave on a family member's desk? Anyone? Just me?
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Post by Just T on Oct 4, 2024 15:58:14 GMT
So Trump is screaming "election interference!!" Funny how he didn't think that in 2016 when it was announced a few weeks before the election that Clinton was going to be investigated.
The hypocrisy is real with these folks.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 4, 2024 16:03:08 GMT
Butter emails.
There is some level on which I think that the depth of the corruption hasn't sunk in for a lot of people because it is so unbelievably bad that it is, well, unbelievable.
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2024 16:11:26 GMT
Butter emails. There is some level on which I think that the depth of the corruption hasn't sunk in for a lot of people because it is so unbelievably bad that it is, well, unbelievable. Yes. I know a lot of people who think Trump getting back in would be no big deal because there are supposedly curbs and checks and balances on the power of the presidency. If we’ve learned anything from the SC ruling on immunity and the willingness of Trump to fire everyone who doesn’t do exactly what he wants, it’s that curbs and checks and balances don’t exist for Trump. The corruption will know no bounds. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 4, 2024 16:20:25 GMT
Butter emails. There is some level on which I think that the depth of the corruption hasn't sunk in for a lot of people because it is so unbelievably bad that it is, well, unbelievable. Yes. I know a lot of people who think Trump getting back in would be no big deal because there are supposedly curbs and checks and balances on the power of the presidency. If we’ve learned anything from the SC ruling on immunity and the willingness of Trump to fire everyone who doesn’t do exactly what he wants, it’s that curbs and checks and balances don’t exist for Trump. The corruption will know no bounds. I know people like that too who think that all of the legal cases are made up Democrat witch hunts and that there isn’t any real substance to any of them. Makes you want to shake them by the throat and say, “How could ALL of that be made up, with different grand juries in different states coming to the conclusion that they’re looking at a chargeable offense? That would have to be one hell of a witch hunt.” I say it’s a good thing Halloween is coming because of all the witches they keep finding! 🧙 |
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Post by Merge on Oct 4, 2024 16:50:55 GMT
Yes. I know a lot of people who think Trump getting back in would be no big deal because there are supposedly curbs and checks and balances on the power of the presidency. If we’ve learned anything from the SC ruling on immunity and the willingness of Trump to fire everyone who doesn’t do exactly what he wants, it’s that curbs and checks and balances don’t exist for Trump. The corruption will know no bounds. I know people like that too who think that all of the legal cases are made up Democrat witch hunts and that there isn’t any real substance to any of them. Makes you want to shake them by the throat and say, “How could ALL of that be made up, with different grand juries in different states coming to the conclusion that they’re looking at a chargeable offense? That would have to be one hell of a witch hunt.” I say it’s a good thing Halloween is coming because of all the witches they keep finding! 🧙 They’re the same folks who think Democrats can control the weather and whip up hurricanes. Delusional. On the topic of corruption, people need to remember that there are plenty of red state officials happy to help with the grift:  |
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Post by dawnnikol on Oct 4, 2024 17:47:32 GMT
On the topic of corruption, people need to remember that there are plenty of red state officials happy to help with the grift: I hadn't seen that he was specifically requesting the cheap AF bible. What a dumpster fire. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 4, 2024 18:09:54 GMT
Surprised they won't pass out detailed lesson plans!!
Gideon will donate Bibles. Have an extra booklet for the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, etc to hand out.
In fact, the booklet would be more important!!
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