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Post by littlemama on Oct 15, 2024 18:36:19 GMT
I dont disagree that many states are requiring ID. Im saying that voter ID requirements have been ruled to be a poll tax in the past. And it is unnecessary to require ID at the polls as you provide a signature when you register that can be compared if needed just as they would need to do if there were a question about an absentee ballot Clearly you have never signed for someone else. No, I have never signed someone else's voter registration application nor their ballot application. What an odd thing to say |
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Post by mich5481 on Oct 15, 2024 23:35:49 GMT
Clearly you have never signed for someone else. No, I have never signed someone else's voter registration application nor their ballot application. What an odd thing to say You were saying that checking signatures is all that is needed to prove someone is who they say they are - it is easy to forget a signature, so that's why IDs are needed. |
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Post by littlemama on Oct 16, 2024 0:05:57 GMT
No, I have never signed someone else's voter registration application nor their ballot application. What an odd thing to say You were saying that checking signatures is all that is needed to prove someone is who they say they are - it is easy to forget a signature, so that's why IDs are needed. No, they arent. They have the signature on the voter reg application and the signature on the request for ballot. Unless you think people are playing the long game and forging the voter reg application and then coming back years later and forging the ballot request. Quite frankly, that is a little crazy. |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 16, 2024 0:46:55 GMT
Colorado peas,
If you haven't voted already and need information on No on 80, I'd love to chat.
Tag me or peamail me.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 16, 2024 2:59:31 GMT
Just talked to him.. he's not voting. hip hip hooray... I told him I would drive it to him and he was indifferent.. and said naw, not voting. He joked and told me to fill it out for him... Ummm NO. ------------------- So my husband who will vote for Trump (even if he knows he is off his rocker) but will NOT vote for Harris.. travels for work. Well on Saturday or sometime last week (we were on vacation) our ballots came in. I sorted the mail and put it on the table in PLAIN view. I didn't mention what was in the mail. Which I never do anyways since I'm the one that pays the bills. But DH left for out of town and won't be back before the election. Oops, he didn't see the mail OR ask about it. I kinda forgot... Is this really bad? Am I going to hell for this? He never asked. If he opened his eyes they were RIGHT there..  Edited to add: He would have gotten a text saying it was mailed. In Colorado they will send an email and text letting you know. He would have received that. Also we even talked about it. I totally forgot. I love this about Colorado. It is like voting for Idiots (okay, that doesn't sound good) BUT they tell you when it is coming, when they receive it and that your vote has been counted. Super convenient. We also have a lot of ballot boxes in our city now. Just generally a really good way to vote. I used to have to go to a high school in a less than safe part of town after dark. Hated that. I know of several previous Trump supporters that are not voting. |
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Post by samantha25 on Oct 16, 2024 3:04:48 GMT
Colorado peas, If you haven't voted already and need information on No on 80, I'd love to chat. Tag me or peamail me. I got a text from Yes on 80 group that describes diversity for all students. I know nothing about it, but will do some reading, or link some info. TIA |
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 16, 2024 3:13:13 GMT
Colorado peas, If you haven't voted already and need information on No on 80, I'd love to chat. Tag me or peamail me. I sent you a peamail  |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 16, 2024 3:28:46 GMT
As of April 2024, 35 states required voters to present identification in order to vote at the polls on Election Day. Of these states, 24 required voters to present identification containing a photograph, and 11 accepted other forms of identification. The remaining 15 states did not require voters to present identification in order to vote at the polls on Election Day. ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_stateI dont disagree that many states are requiring ID. Im saying that voter ID requirements have been ruled to be a poll tax in the past. And it is unnecessary to require ID at the polls as you provide a signature when you register that can be compared if needed just as they would need to do if there were a question about an absentee ballot Just wanted to echo this. Voter ID laws are a form of voter suppression. Republicans passed voter ID laws as a solution to a non-existent problem. Cases of actual voter fraud are very low. As many as 11 % of eligible voters or approximately 29 million people do not have a government issued ID for one reason or another. The elderly, people who live in cities, people who can't afford a car and people experiencing homelessness may not have a driver's license. Eligible voters should not be prevented from voting because they don't have a non-expired government issued photo ID. Voter ID laws create very real barriers to voting. |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 16, 2024 3:42:34 GMT
Colorado peas, If you haven't voted already and need information on No on 80, I'd love to chat. Tag me or peamail me. I got a text from Yes on 80 group that describes diversity for all students. I know nothing about it, but will do some reading, or link some info. TIA Here is a link to the no on 80 site. www.protectpublicschools.co/You can also check 9 news and a couple other stations for their take |
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 16, 2024 3:44:52 GMT
I dont disagree that many states are requiring ID. Im saying that voter ID requirements have been ruled to be a poll tax in the past. And it is unnecessary to require ID at the polls as you provide a signature when you register that can be compared if needed just as they would need to do if there were a question about an absentee ballot Just wanted to echo this. Voter ID laws are a form of voter suppression. Republicans passed voter ID laws as a solution to a non-existent problem. Cases of actual voter fraud are very low. As many as 11 % of eligible voters or approximately 29 million people do not have a government issued ID for one reason or another. The elderly, people who live in cities, people who can't afford a car and people experiencing homelessness may not have a driver's license. Eligible voters should not be prevented from voting because they don't have a non-expired government issued photo ID. Voter ID laws create very real barriers to voting. Colorado requires an ID to vote in person, but the definition is very broad including bills, bank statements, group home residents in addition to licenses, passports, and other forms |
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Post by mich5481 on Oct 16, 2024 5:01:45 GMT
I dont disagree that many states are requiring ID. Im saying that voter ID requirements have been ruled to be a poll tax in the past. And it is unnecessary to require ID at the polls as you provide a signature when you register that can be compared if needed just as they would need to do if there were a question about an absentee ballot Just wanted to echo this. Voter ID laws are a form of voter suppression. Republicans passed voter ID laws as a solution to a non-existent problem. Cases of actual voter fraud are very low. As many as 11 % of eligible voters or approximately 29 million people do not have a government issued ID for one reason or another. The elderly, people who live in cities, people who can't afford a car and people experiencing homelessness may not have a driver's license. Eligible voters should not be prevented from voting because they don't have a non-expired government issued photo ID. Voter ID laws create very real barriers to voting. You can get an ID for free in NC, I'm sure that's true in other states as well. www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/identification/Pages/default.aspx |
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Post by mich5481 on Oct 16, 2024 5:05:01 GMT
You were saying that checking signatures is all that is needed to prove someone is who they say they are - it is easy to forget a signature, so that's why IDs are needed. No, they arent. They have the signature on the voter reg application and the signature on the request for ballot. Unless you think people are playing the long game and forging the voter reg application and then coming back years later and forging the ballot request. Quite frankly, that is a little crazy. You could forge a family member's signature and vote for them, so that's not playing a long game. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 16, 2024 11:41:46 GMT
Just wanted to echo this. Voter ID laws are a form of voter suppression. Republicans passed voter ID laws as a solution to a non-existent problem. Cases of actual voter fraud are very low. As many as 11 % of eligible voters or approximately 29 million people do not have a government issued ID for one reason or another. The elderly, people who live in cities, people who can't afford a car and people experiencing homelessness may not have a driver's license. Eligible voters should not be prevented from voting because they don't have a non-expired government issued photo ID. Voter ID laws create very real barriers to voting. You can get an ID for free in NC, I'm sure that's true in other states as well. www.ncdot.gov/dmv/license-id/identification/Pages/default.aspxThat's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. |
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Post by mich5481 on Oct 16, 2024 14:55:48 GMT
That's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. County elections offices also offer a form of ID that can be used to vote. I'm sorry, but voting is also a privilege- if you can't put in the effort to get an ID (which is needed for so many facets of everyday life and people don't even question it), are you really putting in the effort to be educated about the candidates and issues at stake? |
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Post by mich5481 on Oct 16, 2024 14:58:38 GMT
That's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. You can still vote without a photo ID in NC. I will tell you, the first time I voted in NC, after having voted in FL my entire life, I thought it was bonkers that they didn't ask for my ID. I could have been anyone claiming to be me, as I just needed to tell them my address and maybe my birthday. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Oct 16, 2024 15:10:39 GMT
That's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. 100% this. I just looked for my state and the initial cost for someone under 65 is about $35. The only ones getting an ID for free are homeless youths age 24 and under. And what’s stupid about that is they mail it to you in 4-6 weeks. How does that work if you’re homeless? |
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Post by cycworker on Oct 16, 2024 15:37:43 GMT
DH is not voting for Trump and he refuses to vote for a Democrat. In the primaries, I did not hand him his ballot and a pen and remind him to vote, and then stick his ballot in the mailbox at the last minute for him like I usually do... My 19-year-old managed to do all these things without me saying anything, so why can't DH? It's been months, it's probably still sitting on his desk... For once, our ballots did not cancel each other out  Our ballots for this election are not here yet, otherwise mine would already be in the mailbox on the way to be counted. If your ballots haven't arrived yet can you do anything to check as to why? I would think they should've arrived by now. Can you vote advanced in person? |
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Post by cycworker on Oct 16, 2024 15:40:12 GMT
samantha25 i don't usually vote because I truly believe my vote does not matter... based on where i live and the people who surround me.... there are not enough blues in this area to ever make a difference... and that is true all the way down to the local school board level... its just the truth of where i live... I will vote but i honestly only registered to vote for Hillary Clinton wayyy back.... didnt matter then... wont matter now but i will go do it... But i have never believed in the saying you have to vote to complain... thats the beauty of freedom of speech.... voter or not... everyone can voice their dissatisfaction I'm glad you're voting. I do believe that people CAN, over time, change the results. Look at Georgia going purple. My province in Canada has always been NDP orange.. until it wasn't. Don't let them make you defeatist. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 16, 2024 16:33:10 GMT
That's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. County elections offices also offer a form of ID that can be used to vote. I'm sorry, but voting is also a privilege- if you can't put in the effort to get an ID (which is needed for so many facets of everyday life and people don't even question it), are you really putting in the effort to be educated about the candidates and issues at stake? That’s great that NC offers that, but not every state does. The requirements for every state are different. Some are a lot stricter with what ID they will accept. It’s not a question of people not willing to put in the effort to vote, ID requirements cost money and may not be possible for everyone to meet because of lack of transportation or lack of documents. Voter ID laws are a barrier to voting. Especially for people in lower income brackets and minorities |
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Post by breetheflea on Oct 16, 2024 17:21:48 GMT
DH is not voting for Trump and he refuses to vote for a Democrat. In the primaries, I did not hand him his ballot and a pen and remind him to vote, and then stick his ballot in the mailbox at the last minute for him like I usually do... My 19-year-old managed to do all these things without me saying anything, so why can't DH? It's been months, it's probably still sitting on his desk... For once, our ballots did not cancel each other out Our ballots for this election are not here yet, otherwise mine would already be in the mailbox on the way to be counted. If your ballots haven't arrived yet can you do anything to check as to why? I would think they should've arrived by now. Can you vote advanced in person? They aren't mailed until the 18th. We should have them on Monday. |
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Post by scrapngranny on Oct 16, 2024 19:23:31 GMT
I could have live with a Trump supporter. Anyone who could whitewash everything Trump has said and done, would give send a big red flag that person and I have nothing to build a marriage on.
if you are not in a swing state, his vote be worth wouldn’t much anyway.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 16, 2024 19:32:46 GMT
That's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. County elections offices also offer a form of ID that can be used to vote. I'm sorry, but voting is also a privilege- if you can't put in the effort to get an ID (which is needed for so many facets of everyday life and people don't even question it), are you really putting in the effort to be educated about the candidates and issues at stake? Tell me you know nothing about the US Constitution without telling me you know nothing about the US Constitution. This country is doomed. |
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 16, 2024 19:44:41 GMT
Colorado peas, If you haven't voted already and need information on No on 80, I'd love to chat. Tag me or peamail me. Not a Colorado voter, but just thought I'd add the League of Women Voters to your information list. I always check them out for California Props. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 16, 2024 19:59:28 GMT
That's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. County elections offices also offer a form of ID that can be used to vote. I'm sorry, but voting is also a privilege- if you can't put in the effort to get an ID (which is needed for so many facets of everyday life and people don't even question it), are you really putting in the effort to be educated about the candidates and issues at stake? Truly curious which facets of everyday life you need ID for. The only times I ever have to procure my ID anymore is if I'm buying alcohol or flying someplace. Not being able to afford an official ID, not being able to get yourself to someplace it provides an official ID, not being able to procure the official documents required for an official ID does not mean that I cannot make an intelligent vote. W. hat an incredibly ignorant and privileged statement you made. I don't need to be able to read to know the Trump isn't fit to be President. I don't need to be able to write to know that Trump is unfit for president. I don't need to know where my official birth certificate or social security card is to know Trump is unfit. I don't need to have a penny to my name or a home to live in to know that Trump is unfit for office. My God the hoops I had to go through to change my name when I got married was insane and expensive. These official documents I had to procure from around the world was incredibly difficult and time-consuming. I happen to have had the time and the finances to be able to do that. I understand my privilege. I also understand they're a hell of a lot of people that aren't as privileged as I am l, but you know what? I still think they are entitled to vote. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 16, 2024 20:53:03 GMT
That's great that NC offers that, but very few states are giving out government issued ID cards. Also, it's not just the cost of a license that's problematic for some people. People experiencing homelessness and others may not have access to birth certificates, social security cards etc needed to get an ID. It may also require time off work and transportation to get to a DMV. For rural voters, DMV locations could be as far as an hour away. County elections offices also offer a form of ID that can be used to vote. I'm sorry, but voting is also a privilege- if you can't put in the effort to get an ID (which is needed for so many facets of everyday life and people don't even question it), are you really putting in the effort to be educated about the candidates and issues at stake? Thankfully, there's nothing in the constitution that requires people to put in an effort to vote. Also, thankfully, there's no longer anything requiring people to be educated (or to be able to read) in order to vote. Voting is a right that servicemembers have given their lives fighting for. And there should not be obstacles or hurdles to voting - Voter ID requirements or literacy tests. Buying alcohol, driving a car, flying on a plane, renting a hotel room, opening a bank account and anything else that you might need a government ID for are not constitutionally granted rights. |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 16, 2024 21:03:18 GMT
Just an example of the voter ID requirements Republicans are trying to pass. Again, there is very little evidence of voter fraud. Non-citizens voting in elections is a complete falsehood that Republicans are pushing. This is a solution in search of a non-existent problem. NH is not very diverse, so Republicans have decided to target out of state college students. The new law requires anyone registering to vote to have a birth certificate or passport. How many college age students have either of those documents with them? The law also eliminates affidavits and other exceptions that voters can use instead of a government ID. These are more unnecessary hurdles and barriesr to voting. www.npr.org/2024/09/19/nx-s1-5111890/new-hampshire-voting-citizenship-requirements-law |
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 16, 2024 23:49:47 GMT
Kudos to Ct for expanding voting. Every state should be expanding voting and making it easier to vote, not harder. CT early voting |
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 17, 2024 3:50:19 GMT
County elections offices also offer a form of ID that can be used to vote. I'm sorry, but voting is also a privilege- if you can't put in the effort to get an ID (which is needed for so many facets of everyday life and people don't even question it), are you really putting in the effort to be educated about the candidates and issues at stake? Truly curious which facets of everyday life you need ID for. The only times I ever have to procure my ID anymore is if I'm buying alcohol or flying someplace. Just chiming in on when you need a driver's license or ID. I pull out my DL all the time it seems. I'm not debating whether or not you need an ID to vote.. just stating what I need my license for. Driving (obviously) Booze purchase Pot (of course that is a thing in CO..lol) Flying Renting a Car Hotel stays Sometimes at small boutique stores will ask for additional IDs when using a credit card, especially in tourist towns. Loans Passport College (where I work you have to have a government ID to attend school) I would assume all colleges are the same. Bank transactions |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Oct 17, 2024 4:42:06 GMT
Truly curious which facets of everyday life you need ID for. The only times I ever have to procure my ID anymore is if I'm buying alcohol or flying someplace. Just chiming in on when you need a driver's license or ID. I pull out my DL all the time it seems. I'm not debating whether or not you need an ID to vote.. just stating what I need my license for. Driving (obviously) Booze purchase Pot (of course that is a thing in CO..lol) Flying Renting a Car Hotel stays Sometimes at small boutique stores will ask for additional IDs when using a credit card, especially in tourist towns. Loans Passport College (where I work you have to have a government ID to attend school) I would assume all colleges are the same. Bank transactions But those are all things that have privilege attached. You technically should have id to drive, but you can drive without it. I drink but am not always asked for id. Flying, of course, that was one of my listed items, but obviously a very privileged act. Renting a car, I have never in my life down that, but again, only privileged people rent cars. Hotel, privileged Small boutique stores, privileged goes without saying. Loans, obviously privileged Passport, college, privileged. Bank account, probably it’s the only thing on your list that might not be privileged but I could make argument that it is, but is not a necessity. Certainly doesn’t fall under the facet of everyday life. My point was it not having an ID doesn’t mean you suffer daily. Many people exist quite well without having an ID. I honestly believe the last time I pulled out my ID was when I flew almost a year ago. it is certainly not a daily necessity for existence in the US. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Oct 17, 2024 12:15:06 GMT
Just talked to him.. he's not voting. hip hip hooray... I told him I would drive it to him and he was indifferent.. and said naw, not voting. He joked and told me to fill it out for him... Ummm NO. ------------------- So my husband who will vote for Trump (even if he knows he is off his rocker) but will NOT vote for Harris.. travels for work. Well on Saturday or sometime last week (we were on vacation) our ballots came in. I sorted the mail and put it on the table in PLAIN view. I didn't mention what was in the mail. Which I never do anyways since I'm the one that pays the bills. But DH left for out of town and won't be back before the election. Oops, he didn't see the mail OR ask about it. I kinda forgot... Is this really bad? Am I going to hell for this? He never asked. If he opened his eyes they were RIGHT there.. Edited to add: He would have gotten a text saying it was mailed. In Colorado they will send an email and text letting you know. He would have received that. Also we even talked about it. I totally forgot. I used to have to go to a high school in a less than safe part of town after dark. Hated that. I know of several previous Trump supporters that are not voting. Maryland too! My son is in Alabama, and I think it is so important to be able to track his ballot. |
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