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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 20:35:54 GMT
I sure the hell hope so because the lunches/processed food that everyone is eating now is disgusting. Do some research on just what is in some of these processed foods if you care about what you eat and what you are feeding your children. I 100% agree with you that the crap that is in our food is beyond ridiculous. I try very hard to eat nothing that comes out of a box or can. Pretty much beans and tomato sauce are all I buy in a can. I've even been making my own pasta. I buy mostly fresh foods and frozen veggies. ETA: I am at a time in my life when I live alone and I can afford to do that. BUT, I do remember years when I was a stay at home mom with 4 kids, and I did the best I could feeding them. I still cooked from scratch a lot, but it was much cheaper to buy a box of hamburger helper, which was often 89 cents back then, than it was to buy all the things to make something similar from scratch. Our problem is that fresh healthy foods are beyond the reaches of many families, not only because of price but because like crimsoncat said, there are many people who live in places where their only choice to buy food is at Dollar General or worse. People do the best they can to feed their family, and I won't shame anyone for what they choose to feed their kids. I also want to remind you that when Obama was president, Michelle's cause she took up was healthy school lunches. OMG...does anyone else remember that??? "Kids won't eat that stuff!!" and worse things were said. You just can't win. Now we have wackadoodle RFK who wants to be in control of our food and health, and everyone is bowing at his feet thinking he is going to fix all that ails us and be the savior of the health of the US. Agree, agree with all of this. Fresh, healthy foods are beyond the reach of many families. Yes. And many families living with poverty are also in food deserts, where grocery stores don't exist. So if they can't make it to the grocery store five miles away and back on the bus before dinner, guess what? We're eating from the corner gas station! Programs that try to combat this issue fall broadly under leftism/socialism, though, so I don't know what anyone thinks Trump is going to do about it. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 20:36:14 GMT
I am hoping RFK will be successful this time around. and just WHY do you think he'll succeed? WHY? Give me a REASON, not just a HOPE. (or a concept of a plan.) I don't know his plan. I am HOPING that he has a good one and will be able to do something good for the country and our food system. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 20:38:35 GMT
I 100% agree with you that the crap that is in our food is beyond ridiculous. I try very hard to eat nothing that comes out of a box or can. Pretty much beans and tomato sauce are all I buy in a can. I've even been making my own pasta. I buy mostly fresh foods and frozen veggies. BUT, I do remember years when I was a stay at home mom with 4 kids, and I did the best I could feeding them. I still cooked from scratch a lot, but it was much cheaper to buy a box of hamburger helper, which was often 89 cents back then, than it was to buy all the things to make something similar from scratch. Our problem is that fresh healthy foods are beyond the reaches of many families, not only because of price but because like crimsoncat said, there are many people who live in places where their only choice to buy food is at Dollar General or worse. People do the best they can to feed their family, and I won't shame anyone for what they choose to feed their kids. I also want to remind you that when Obama was president, Michelle's cause she took up was healthy school lunches. OMG...does anyone else remember that??? "Kids won't eat that stuff!!" and worse things were said. You just can't win. Now we have wackadoodle RFK who wants to be in control of our food and health, and everyone is bowing at his feet thinking he is going to fix all that ails us and be the savior of the health of the US.
We all did that. But now we know what is in the food thanks to social media and we have a chance to make things better and get the garbage and chemicals out of the food system. And I hope that the FDA will have to atone for the lies about food that they have been feeding us (pun intended) for decades. I've done a deep dive and it's really quite appalling. You realize that changing our food requirements will require additional regulations and enforcement for those regulations, right? And that the big corporations that make processed food regularly lobby government to reduce regulations so they can increase profits, right? And that Trump has repeatedly spoken against government regulations for business? So please be specific - what is he going to do? |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 20:54:16 GMT
BUT, I do remember years when I was a stay at home mom with 4 kids, and I did the best I could feeding them. I still cooked from scratch a lot, but it was much cheaper to buy a box of hamburger helper, which was often 89 cents back then, than it was to buy all the things to make something similar from scratch.
We all did that. But now we know what is in the food thanks to social media and we have a chance to make things better and get the garbage and chemicals out of the food system. And I hope that the FDA will have to atone for the lies about food that they have been feeding us (pun intended) for decades. I've done a deep dive and it's really quite appalling. You realize that changing our food requirements will require additional regulations and enforcement for those regulations, right? And that the big corporations that make processed food regularly lobby government to reduce regulations so they can increase profits, right? And that Trump has repeatedly spoken against government regulations for business? So please be specific - what is he going to do? So please - read the post above this one. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 12, 2024 21:04:44 GMT
BUT, I do remember years when I was a stay at home mom with 4 kids, and I did the best I could feeding them. I still cooked from scratch a lot, but it was much cheaper to buy a box of hamburger helper, which was often 89 cents back then, than it was to buy all the things to make something similar from scratch.
We all did that. But now we know what is in the food thanks to social media and we have a chance to make things better and get the garbage and chemicals out of the food system. And I hope that the FDA will have to atone for the lies about food that they have been feeding us (pun intended) for decades. I've done a deep dive and it's really quite appalling. You realize that changing our food requirements will require additional regulations and enforcement for those regulations, right? And that the big corporations that make processed food regularly lobby government to reduce regulations so they can increase profits, right? And that Trump has repeatedly spoken against government regulations for business? So please be specific - what is he going to do? They could start by keeping our water, soil and air clean but that will be increasingly difficult once Trump guts or abolishes the EPA (and which his SCOTUS picks from his last term have already started to help him do). And I agree with Merge, cleaning up our food supply will require myriad additional regulations on top of what we already have, which TFG seems to be diametrically opposed to. But sure, let’s just put a whackadoodle nutjob on the case straightaway! What could possibly go wrong? |
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2024 21:14:10 GMT
and just WHY do you think he'll succeed? WHY? Give me a REASON, not just a HOPE. (or a concept of a plan.) I don't know his plan. I am HOPING that he has a good one and will be able to do something good for the country and our food system. I'm asking this because I am genuinely curious. Clearly, you are staunchly Republican. I was too during the Obama years. I am curious what your thoughts/opinions were when Michelle Obama made it her mission to make school lunches healthier. Did you ridicule her as many did (I did not, however, and remember having some heated conversations with my mother, who did ridicule her. LOL). Or did you think, this is a great idea even though you didn't like Barack Obama as president. You seem all for it now, so I can't help but wonder what you thought back then. |
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Post by vpohlman on Nov 12, 2024 21:14:31 GMT
I can agree that there should be more done to reduce the amount of chemicals in our food, water and environment. But I also agree that it isn't as simple as it sounds (like pretty much every issue) for the reasons listed above. Does that mean nothing should be done? No. We could start with looking at why we have fewer chemicals on our banned list than Europe does. Why can they make a box of macaroni and cheese without those chemicals for Europe but here we still get the other stuff? Does it taste better? Is it cheaper? However, I also find it ironic that the people who are now jumping all on board with no mandatory vaccines and making radical changes in our food and medicines are the same ones who rebelled against Michelle Obama trying to improve the quality of school lunches and who are ok with eliminating the EPA and regulations that cost corporations money but keep us safer and healthier. Make it make sense. ETA that I do believe that improving our diet and lifestyle can help reduce health issues and symptoms of disease. But I also don't believe that we can or should get rid of all medicines by following Mark Hyman/RFK Jr's recommendation. It is unrealistic to me that some of these people say that you can reverse all disease or look 20 when you are 60 by only changing what you eat. It is definitely important, but not a cure all. THIS!!!! Times a Billion!!! |
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2024 21:16:26 GMT
They could start by keeping our water, soil and air clean but that will be increasingly difficult once Trump guts or abolishes the EPA (and which his SCOTUS picks from his last term have already started to help him do). And I agree with Merge, cleaning up our food supply will require myriad additional regulations on top of what we already have, which TFG seems to be diametrically opposed to. But sure, let’s just put a whackadoodle nutjob on the case straightaway! What could possibly go wrong? I have been thinking of this too. RFK is supposedly going to take on our health and wellness, wants fluoride out of our water, etc. But what of the other crap that will be spewed into our water and air if Trump has his way and gets rid of the EPA, or at the very least, rolls back regulations? How does that make any sense? |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 21:20:44 GMT
I don't know his plan. I am HOPING that he has a good one and will be able to do something good for the country and our food system. I'm asking this because I am genuinely curious. Clearly, you are staunchly Republican. I was too during the Obama years. I am curious what your thoughts/opinions were when Michelle Obama made it her mission to make school lunches healthier. Did you ridicule her as many did (I did not, however, and remember having some heated conversations with my mother, who did ridicule her. LOL). Or did you think, this is a great idea even though you didn't like Barack Obama as president. You seem all for it now, so I can't help but wonder what you thought back then. I was working at a school back then, so I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that I never ridiculed Michelle Obama for trying to make school lunches better. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 21:21:27 GMT
You realize that changing our food requirements will require additional regulations and enforcement for those regulations, right? And that the big corporations that make processed food regularly lobby government to reduce regulations so they can increase profits, right? And that Trump has repeatedly spoken against government regulations for business? So please be specific - what is he going to do? So please - read the post above this one. Right. So please understand that I am a logical person. Can you help me understand what, logically, in Trump's speeches or past acts gives you hope that he has a big plan for fixing everything? |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 21:22:23 GMT
I can agree that there should be more done to reduce the amount of chemicals in our food, water and environment. But I also agree that it isn't as simple as it sounds (like pretty much every issue) for the reasons listed above. Does that mean nothing should be done? No. We could start with looking at why we have fewer chemicals on our banned list than Europe does. Why can they make a box of macaroni and cheese without those chemicals for Europe but here we still get the other stuff? Does it taste better? Is it cheaper? However, I also find it ironic that the people who are now jumping all on board with no mandatory vaccines and making radical changes in our food and medicines are the same ones who rebelled against Michelle Obama trying to improve the quality of school lunches and who are ok with eliminating the EPA and regulations that cost corporations money but keep us safer and healthier. Make it make sense. ETA that I do believe that improving our diet and lifestyle can help reduce health issues and symptoms of disease. But I also don't believe that we can or should get rid of all medicines by following Mark Hyman/RFK Jr's recommendation. It is unrealistic to me that some of these people say that you can reverse all disease or look 20 when you are 60 by only changing what you eat. It is definitely important, but not a cure all. THIS!!!! Times a Billion!!! I’m pretty sure nobody said he was getting rid of all medications. |
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2024 21:24:52 GMT
I'm asking this because I am genuinely curious. Clearly, you are staunchly Republican. I was too during the Obama years. I am curious what your thoughts/opinions were when Michelle Obama made it her mission to make school lunches healthier. Did you ridicule her as many did (I did not, however, and remember having some heated conversations with my mother, who did ridicule her. LOL). Or did you think, this is a great idea even though you didn't like Barack Obama as president. You seem all for it now, so I can't help but wonder what you thought back then. I was working at a school back then, so I can absolutely 100% guarantee you that I never ridiculed Michelle Obama for trying to make school lunches better. That is good to know. My mom works in a school, not in the lunch room, and all she did was bitch and complain about how "stupid" it was. Now, she often complains about the "crap" people feed their kids. LOL Makes no sense. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 21:25:06 GMT
So please - read the post above this one. Right. So please understand that I am a logical person. Can you help me understand what, logically, in Trump's speeches or past acts gives you hope that he has a big plan for fixing everything? I’m not a magician. I don’t know his plans. I don’t know why you think I should or would. I don’t remember Trump ever giving any speeches about what exactly he was going to do for the health department. I’m sure that is something that’s going to be worked on by everyone involved, and it will be an evolving thing. I hope you realize that it’s not going to be fixed one way or another on day one. It might not even be fixed in the next four years. But at least will have a start. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 21:35:06 GMT
Right. So please understand that I am a logical person. Can you help me understand what, logically, in Trump's speeches or past acts gives you hope that he has a big plan for fixing everything? I’m not a magician. I don’t know his plans. I don’t know why you think I should or would. I don’t remember Trump ever giving any speeches about what exactly he was going to do for the health department. I’m sure that is something that’s going to be worked on by everyone involved, and it will be an evolving thing. I hope you realize that it’s not going to be fixed one way or another on day one. It might not even be fixed in the next four years. But at least will have a start. But like, what about him makes you hope that he has a plan of any kind, even if you don't know what it is? |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 21:39:50 GMT
I’m not a magician. I don’t know his plans. I don’t know why you think I should or would. I don’t remember Trump ever giving any speeches about what exactly he was going to do for the health department. I’m sure that is something that’s going to be worked on by everyone involved, and it will be an evolving thing. I hope you realize that it’s not going to be fixed one way or another on day one. It might not even be fixed in the next four years. But at least will have a start. But like, what about him makes you hope that he has a plan of any kind, even if you don't know what it is? I’m hoping they have a good plan because I think things need to change. That’s all I got. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 12, 2024 21:40:26 GMT
Right. So please understand that I am a logical person. Can you help me understand what, logically, in Trump's speeches or past acts gives you hope that he has a big plan for fixing everything? I’m not a magician. I don’t know his plans. I don’t know why you think I should or would. I don’t remember Trump ever giving any speeches about what exactly he was going to do for the health department. I’m sure that is something that’s going to be worked on by everyone involved, and it will be an evolving thing. I hope you realize that it’s not going to be fixed one way or another on day one. It might not even be fixed in the next four years. But at least will have a start. So… he basically has a concept of a plan. Got it. 🤪 Actually, a quick Google search brought up this light read compliments of Project 2025. Here’s the chapter on Health & Human Services: static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-14.pdf |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 21:41:55 GMT
I’m not a magician. I don’t know his plans. I don’t know why you think I should or would. I don’t remember Trump ever giving any speeches about what exactly he was going to do for the health department. I’m sure that is something that’s going to be worked on by everyone involved, and it will be an evolving thing. I hope you realize that it’s not going to be fixed one way or another on day one. It might not even be fixed in the next four years. But at least will have a start. So… he basically has a concept of a plan. Got it. 🤪 Actually, a quick Google search brought up this light read compliments of Project 2025. Here’s the chapter on Health & Human Services: static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_CHAPTER-14.pdfI’m not interested in reading about project 2025 because it’s not trumps plan. Every plan starts with a concept of a plan. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 21:54:22 GMT
I’m not interested in reading about project 2025 because it’s not trumps plan. Every plan starts with a concept of a plan. Weird how he keeps adding its authors to his new staff then. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 12, 2024 22:00:02 GMT
I’m not interested in reading about project 2025 because it’s not trumps plan. Every plan starts with a concept of a plan. Keep telling yourself that. You know who wrote Project 2025? The Heritage Foundation, JD Vance and lots of Trump advisors from his first term. As soon as Trump takes over, he will implement as much as possible in the first 100 days. Starting with firing a significant number of federal service employees and replacing them with ones who will be loyal to Trump. They already complied a list of 10,000 potential employees. There's a lot of overlap between Trump's agenda 47 from his own website and project 2025. From their own website www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/The project is the effort of a broad coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government.The 2025 Presidential Transition Project is being organized by The Heritage Foundation and builds off Heritage’s longstanding “Mandate for Leadership,” which has been highly influential for presidential administrations since the Reagan era. Most recently, the Trump administration relied heavily on Heritage’s “Mandate” for policy guidance, embracing nearly two-thirds of Heritage’s proposals within just one year in office.www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/22/us/politics/project-2025-trump-heritage-foundation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ZU4.jdSl.KWYh3nzmIKwv&smid=url-shareThe people behind Project 2025 are no strangers to the former president. The Heritage Foundation’s president, Kevin D. Roberts, and a co-founder, Edwin J. Feulner, have each personally met with Mr. Trump. And the analysis of the Project 2025 playbook and its 307 authors and contributors revealed that well over half of them had been in Mr. Trump’s administration or on his campaign or transition teams.
Large portions of the “Mandate for Leadership,” the driving document behind Project 2025, were written by longtime Trump loyalists who were advisers to Mr. Trump during his first term.
Eighteen of the 40 authors and editors who worked on the document served in the first Trump administration:
One worked on Mr. Trump’s first presidential transition team:
Twelve worked both in Mr. Trump’s first administration and on one of his transition or campaign teams:
Of the 267 additional contributors to the Project 2025 playbook, at least 144, highlighted in the list below, also worked in Mr. Trump’s administration or on his campaign or transition teams:While Mr. Trump has publicly disavowed Project 2025, there is significant overlap between the playbook and the plans Mr. Trump has articulated in campaign speeches and in his current campaign agenda, Agenda 47.
Dennis Dean Kirk co-wrote the chapter in this section on central personnel agencies. Mr. Kirk was involved with the adoption of Schedule F, which Mr. Trump has pledged to immediately reinstate in a second term.
In addition to Mr. Kirk, three other authors of the document’s first section served in Mr. Trump’s administration:
Here is how 182 out of 307 authors, editors and contributors to Project 2025’s playbook are tied to Mr. Trump:
www.propublica.org/article/project-2025-trump-campaign-heritage-foundation-paul-dans |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 22:06:49 GMT
I’m not interested in reading about project 2025 because it’s not trumps plan. Every plan starts with a concept of a plan. Keep telling yourself that. You know who wrote Project 2025? The Heritage Foundation, JD Vance and lots of Trump advisors from his first term. As soon as Trump takes over, he will implement as much as possible in the first 100 days. Starting with firing a significant number of federal service employees and replacing them with ones who will be loyal to Trump. They already complied a list of 10,000 potential employees. There's a lot of overlap between Trump's agenda 47 from his own website and project 2025. From their own website www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/The project is the effort of a broad coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government.The 2025 Presidential Transition Project is being organized by The Heritage Foundation and builds off Heritage’s longstanding “Mandate for Leadership,” which has been highly influential for presidential administrations since the Reagan era. Most recently, the Trump administration relied heavily on Heritage’s “Mandate” for policy guidance, embracing nearly two-thirds of Heritage’s proposals within just one year in office.www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/22/us/politics/project-2025-trump-heritage-foundation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ZU4.jdSl.KWYh3nzmIKwv&smid=url-shareThe people behind Project 2025 are no strangers to the former president. The Heritage Foundation’s president, Kevin D. Roberts, and a co-founder, Edwin J. Feulner, have each personally met with Mr. Trump. And the analysis of the Project 2025 playbook and its 307 authors and contributors revealed that well over half of them had been in Mr. Trump’s administration or on his campaign or transition teams.
Large portions of the “Mandate for Leadership,” the driving document behind Project 2025, were written by longtime Trump loyalists who were advisers to Mr. Trump during his first term.
Eighteen of the 40 authors and editors who worked on the document served in the first Trump administration:
One worked on Mr. Trump’s first presidential transition team:
Twelve worked both in Mr. Trump’s first administration and on one of his transition or campaign teams:
Of the 267 additional contributors to the Project 2025 playbook, at least 144, highlighted in the list below, also worked in Mr. Trump’s administration or on his campaign or transition teams:While Mr. Trump has publicly disavowed Project 2025, there is significant overlap between the playbook and the plans Mr. Trump has articulated in campaign speeches and in his current campaign agenda, Agenda 47.
Dennis Dean Kirk co-wrote the chapter in this section on central personnel agencies. Mr. Kirk was involved with the adoption of Schedule F, which Mr. Trump has pledged to immediately reinstate in a second term.
In addition to Mr. Kirk, three other authors of the document’s first section served in Mr. Trump’s administration:
Here is how 182 out of 307 authors, editors and contributors to Project 2025’s playbook are tied to Mr. Trump:
www.propublica.org/article/project-2025-trump-campaign-heritage-foundation-paul-dansI didn’t realize that you were part of his cabinet plan, and that you knew all these things. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 12, 2024 22:11:23 GMT
How much more evidence do you need that Project 2025 will be Trump's playbook? Project 2025 is the agendaNow that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda. Lolwww.heritage.org/press/heritage-foundation-president-congratulates-president-trumpwww.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/08/trump-administration-project-2025“Now that the election is over I think we can finally say that yeah actually Project 2025 is the agenda,” said Matt Walsh, a popular podcaster, commentator and author, on X, adding: “Lol”.
On Friday, the Guardian reported on a forthcoming book, introduced by JD Vance, the Ohio senator and vice-president-elect, in which Kevin Roberts, the Heritage president, advocates “burning” institutions including the FBI and the Department of Education, as part of a campaign against “those who seek to abolish the existing order in the name of emancipation, freedom, and progress”.
Authors of chapters in the Mandate for Leadership seen as contenders for jobs in the new administration include Chris Miller, who was acting defense secretary during the January 6 Capitol attack; Ken Cuccinelli, formerly acting deputy secretary of homeland security; Russell Vought, Trump’s chair of the Office of Management and Budget; Peter Navarro, a trade adviser who, like Bannon, went to prison for contempt of Congress related to investigations of Trump’s election subversion; and Roger Severino, formerly a senior official at the Department of Health and Human Services.
Still, key players in Project 2025 continue to celebrate their win.
In a statement greeting Trump’s election victory, Roberts, of the Heritage Foundation, said: “We look forward to this historic term, during which President Trump has an opportunity to make America great, healthy, safe, and prosperous once again.
“The entire conservative movement stands united behind him as he prepares to secure our wide-open border, restore the rule of law, put parents back in charge of their children’s education, restore America to its proper place as a leader in manufacturing, put families and children first, and dismantle the deep state.”
The “deep state” conspiracy theory holds that a permanent government of bureaucrats, intelligence operatives and progressives exists to thwart Trump. Bannon is among its chief propagators. Nonetheless, he has said it is “for nut cases”. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 12, 2024 22:13:06 GMT
Keep telling yourself that. You know who wrote Project 2025? The Heritage Foundation, JD Vance and lots of Trump advisors from his first term. As soon as Trump takes over, he will implement as much as possible in the first 100 days. Starting with firing a significant number of federal service employees and replacing them with ones who will be loyal to Trump. They already complied a list of 10,000 potential employees. There's a lot of overlap between Trump's agenda 47 from his own website and project 2025. From their own website www.project2025.org/about/about-project-2025/The project is the effort of a broad coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government.The 2025 Presidential Transition Project is being organized by The Heritage Foundation and builds off Heritage’s longstanding “Mandate for Leadership,” which has been highly influential for presidential administrations since the Reagan era. Most recently, the Trump administration relied heavily on Heritage’s “Mandate” for policy guidance, embracing nearly two-thirds of Heritage’s proposals within just one year in office.www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/22/us/politics/project-2025-trump-heritage-foundation.html?unlocked_article_code=1.ZU4.jdSl.KWYh3nzmIKwv&smid=url-shareThe people behind Project 2025 are no strangers to the former president. The Heritage Foundation’s president, Kevin D. Roberts, and a co-founder, Edwin J. Feulner, have each personally met with Mr. Trump. And the analysis of the Project 2025 playbook and its 307 authors and contributors revealed that well over half of them had been in Mr. Trump’s administration or on his campaign or transition teams.
Large portions of the “Mandate for Leadership,” the driving document behind Project 2025, were written by longtime Trump loyalists who were advisers to Mr. Trump during his first term.
Eighteen of the 40 authors and editors who worked on the document served in the first Trump administration:
One worked on Mr. Trump’s first presidential transition team:
Twelve worked both in Mr. Trump’s first administration and on one of his transition or campaign teams:
Of the 267 additional contributors to the Project 2025 playbook, at least 144, highlighted in the list below, also worked in Mr. Trump’s administration or on his campaign or transition teams:While Mr. Trump has publicly disavowed Project 2025, there is significant overlap between the playbook and the plans Mr. Trump has articulated in campaign speeches and in his current campaign agenda, Agenda 47.
Dennis Dean Kirk co-wrote the chapter in this section on central personnel agencies. Mr. Kirk was involved with the adoption of Schedule F, which Mr. Trump has pledged to immediately reinstate in a second term.
In addition to Mr. Kirk, three other authors of the document’s first section served in Mr. Trump’s administration:
Here is how 182 out of 307 authors, editors and contributors to Project 2025’s playbook are tied to Mr. Trump:
www.propublica.org/article/project-2025-trump-campaign-heritage-foundation-paul-dansI didn’t realize that you were part of his cabinet plan, and that you knew all these things. Did you read the article? The article clearly lays out the connections between Project 2025 and advisors to Trump. The NYT writers looked at the actual document and the authors and connected the dots to Trump's advisors. I don't need to be part of his cabinet to see the connections. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 22:23:40 GMT
I didn’t realize that you were part of his cabinet plan, and that you knew all these things. Did you read the article? The article clearly lays out the connections between Project 2025 and advisors to Trump. The NYT writers looked at the actual document and the authors and connected the dots to Trump's advisors. I don't need to be part of his cabinet to see the connections. That’s an opinion piece from left leaning sources. It’s not gospel. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 12, 2024 22:30:20 GMT
Did you read the article? The article clearly lays out the connections between Project 2025 and advisors to Trump. The NYT writers looked at the actual document and the authors and connected the dots to Trump's advisors. I don't need to be part of his cabinet to see the connections. That’s an opinion piece from left leaning sources. It’s not gospel. It's not an opinion piece. It's fact based on the published list of authors for project 2025 and the resumes for Trump's advisors, information that is widely available. I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but here are more sources regarding the connections. www.npr.org/2024/09/05/nx-s1-5099253/project-2025-was-made-by-loyalists-and-allies-of-trump-hes-tried-to-distance-himselfWell, I mean, it is true that this is not Trump's plan, but it is a plan for Trump. I mean, one way I look at it is it's taking Trump's policy goals - the one he talks about on the stump all the time - and creates a legal roadmap to execute them.www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-warnings-from-democrats-about-project-2025-and-donald-trumpHowever, Project 2025 contributors include a number of high-ranking officials from Trump’s first administration, including former White House adviser Peter Navarro and former Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson.
A recently released recording of Russell Vought, a Project 2025 author and the former director of Trump’s Office of Management and Budget, showed Vought saying Trump’s “very supportive of what we do.” He said Trump was only distancing himself because Democrats were making a bogeyman out of the document. |
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2024 22:32:43 GMT
That’s an opinion piece from left leaning sources. It’s not gospel. Could be true. However, at some point you all are going to have to admit that Trump is tied to Project 2025, even though supposedly the name has now been changed. Two of his future cabinet members, including Stephen Miller, who has already been named his Deputy Chief of Staff for POLICY, are authors of Project 2025. So you really think that when someone who is an author of Project 2025, who will be Trumps person in charge of policy, that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? That makes zero sense. And what about Tom Homan, who Trump has named as his border czar, who is also one of the authors of Project 2025? How can you really believe that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? If he truly does not, as he claimed while he was campaigning, why is he already, a week in, hiring people who are prominent contributors to it? |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 12, 2024 22:38:57 GMT
Mass deportations are one of Trump's campaign promises and a major part of Project 2025. Tom Homan, Trump's new border czar, contributed to Project 2025. None of that is a coincidence or an opinion. These are hard facts. www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trump-begins-to-name-appointees-who-could-oversee-his-mass-deportation-plansHoman is a — was a supporter of the first-term effort to separate families, that zero tolerance policy at the border, Amna, which ended up separating some 5,500 families.
He was also a contributor to Heritage Foundation's Project 2025. And Homan is expected to work alongside Stephen Miller, who, as we just said, is expected to be named the deputy chief of staff for policy. And Miller is going to also be overseeing immigration policy. He was known as one of the architects of that family separation agenda during Trump's first term.And he is someone who supports very harsh immigration policy, recently saying at the Madison Square Garden rally that America is for America and Americans only. And sources close to Trump world told me that Homan and Stephen Miller approach things a little bit differently. Homan is seen more as a cop, someone who very much wants to enforce the law and is less ideological than Stephen Miller, whose positions, whose anti-immigrant positions are based on culture and identity.www.bbc.com/news/live/c2e7jdjdmplt?page=3The make-up of his new administration is gradually taking shape. As we reported earlier, Tom Homan, 62, will serve as Trump's "border tsar", having previously served as the returning president's acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (Ice). |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 22:42:49 GMT
That’s an opinion piece from left leaning sources. It’s not gospel. Could be true. However, at some point you all are going to have to admit that Trump is tied to Project 2025, even though supposedly the name has now been changed. Two of his future cabinet members, including Stephen Miller, who has already been named his Deputy Chief of Staff for POLICY, are authors of Project 2025. So you really think that when someone who is an author of Project 2025, who will be Trumps person in charge of policy, that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? That makes zero sense. And what about Tom Homan, who Trump has named as his border czar, who is also one of the authors of Project 2025? How can you really believe that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? If he truly does not, as he claimed while he was campaigning, why is he already, a week in, hiring people who are prominent contributors to it? Why would I “admit” that he’s tied to that before having ANY concrete proof? That’s your problem…you panic with what you THINK MIGHT happen. 🙄🙄🙄 |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 22:43:04 GMT
But like, what about him makes you hope that he has a plan of any kind, even if you don't know what it is? I’m hoping they have a good plan because I think things need to change. That’s all I got. Perhaps you can see how your hopes for a Trump presidency are based on no evidence whatsoever, while our fears are based on his past actions and specifically stated intentions. |
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 22:44:55 GMT
Could be true. However, at some point you all are going to have to admit that Trump is tied to Project 2025, even though supposedly the name has now been changed. Two of his future cabinet members, including Stephen Miller, who has already been named his Deputy Chief of Staff for POLICY, are authors of Project 2025. So you really think that when someone who is an author of Project 2025, who will be Trumps person in charge of policy, that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? That makes zero sense. And what about Tom Homan, who Trump has named as his border czar, who is also one of the authors of Project 2025? How can you really believe that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? If he truly does not, as he claimed while he was campaigning, why is he already, a week in, hiring people who are prominent contributors to it? Why would I “admit” that he’s tied to that before having ANY concrete proof? That’s your problem…you panic with what you THINK MIGHT happen. 🙄🙄🙄 No. We fear what he has specifically said he will do, which is being validated by the people he’s appointing to his staff. YOU on the other hand, have no basis whatsoever for your hopes. As you have admitted/. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 12, 2024 22:47:08 GMT
Could be true. However, at some point you all are going to have to admit that Trump is tied to Project 2025, even though supposedly the name has now been changed. Two of his future cabinet members, including Stephen Miller, who has already been named his Deputy Chief of Staff for POLICY, are authors of Project 2025. So you really think that when someone who is an author of Project 2025, who will be Trumps person in charge of policy, that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? That makes zero sense. And what about Tom Homan, who Trump has named as his border czar, who is also one of the authors of Project 2025? How can you really believe that Trump has nothing to do with Project 2025? If he truly does not, as he claimed while he was campaigning, why is he already, a week in, hiring people who are prominent contributors to it? but... but- you're the 'having a plan means it WILL happen' person, aren't you? at least when it came to a Pandemic Playbook, that is... why is Project 2025 different?!? hmm?? hmm?? And do you even realize how freakin' stupid it is, to say to NOT plan for a possible eventuality? Isn't that how (RESPONSIBLE) people go through life? Planning? Or maybe you don't have insurance, or a retirement plan, or any of those other PLANNING things. Or maybe you're being purposefully obtuse, or you're just that ignorant. |
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