Just T
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2024 22:57:13 GMT
Why would I “admit” that he’s tied to that before having ANY concrete proof? That’s your problem…you panic with what you THINK MIGHT happen. 🙄🙄🙄 It's not proof that he is tied to it, when he is literally a week after the election already hiring people who wrote it??? If he is NOT tied to it, and doesn't want to be, wouldn't he be distancing himself from those who crafted it? |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 12, 2024 23:14:16 GMT
THIS!!!! Times a Billion!!! I’m pretty sure nobody said he was getting rid of all medications. There has been talk of him ending mandates for vaccines in school (or anywhere else). I even had a nurse (who of course had tons of Trump posts on her Facebook profile) arguing with me the other day that she "no longer feels vaccines are for us" because big pharma just tries to get people to stay on medication and stay sick. She said that vaccines don't work and shouldn't be mandated. The nutty people are getting nuttier and more common these days due to Trump and the right's focus on Covid vaccines. I don't think that Covid or Flu vaccines should be mandated at this time unless you work in healthcare. But, it will be catastrophic if RFK ends mandates for other vaccines. Not only will more of these people be encouraged to avoid them, but many people just won't get them out of laziness. And is Trump going to offer everyone a dental plan if they take fluoride out of the water? I can see a lot of push back from corporations if they try to overhaul the food system too much too quickly, but I do think that the vaccine mandates and fluoride removal would be easy to do and likely will happen. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 23:17:04 GMT
I’m pretty sure nobody said he was getting rid of all medications. There has been talk of him ending mandates for vaccines in school (or anywhere else). I even had a nurse (who of course had tons of Trump posts on her Facebook profile) arguing with me the other day that she "no longer feels vaccines are for us" because big pharma just tries to get people to stay on medication and stay sick. She said that vaccines don't work and shouldn't be mandated. The nutty people are getting nuttier and more common these days due to Trump and the right's focus on Covid vaccines. I don't think that Covid or Flu vaccines should be mandated at this time unless you work in healthcare. But, it will be catastrophic if RFK ends mandates for other vaccines. Not only will more of these people be encouraged to avoid them, but many people just won't get them out of laziness. And is Trump going to offer everyone a dental plan if they take fluoride out of the water? I can see a lot of push back from corporations if they try to overhaul the food system too much too quickly, but I do think that the vaccine mandates and fluoride removal would be easy to do and likely will happen. I agree with the nurse. It should ALWAYS and should have always been a choice. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 12, 2024 23:19:47 GMT
I’m pretty sure nobody said he was getting rid of all medications. There has been talk of him ending mandates for vaccines in school (or anywhere else). I even had a nurse (who of course had tons of Trump posts on her Facebook profile) arguing with me the other day that she "no longer feels vaccines are for us" because big pharma just tries to get people to stay on medication and stay sick. She said that vaccines don't work and shouldn't be mandated. The nutty people are getting nuttier and more common these days due to Trump and the right's focus on Covid vaccines. I don't think that Covid or Flu vaccines should be mandated at this time unless you work in healthcare. But, it will be catastrophic if RFK ends mandates for other vaccines. Not only will more of these people be encouraged to avoid them, but many people just won't get them out of laziness. And is Trump going to offer everyone a dental plan if they take fluoride out of the water? I can see a lot of push back from corporations if they try to overhaul the food system too much too quickly, but I do think that the vaccine mandates and fluoride removal would be easy to do and likely will happen. So you are ok with a resurgence of polio, measles, mumps, rubella, smallpox, etc? |
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2024 23:20:18 GMT
I agree with the nurse. It should ALWAYS and should have always been a choice. are you okay with that choice leading to a return of diseases that used to regularly kill children that have all but been eradicated thanks to vaccines? Like Polio, diphtheria, etc? |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2024 23:27:41 GMT
Measles now has a long term resurgence of other problems.. it also can cause assorted after affects: loss of hearing, heart issues etc.
Rubella is very dangerous to fetuses...
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 23:29:24 GMT
Why would I “admit” that he’s tied to that before having ANY concrete proof? That’s your problem…you panic with what you THINK MIGHT happen. 🙄🙄🙄 but... but- you're the 'having a plan means it WILL happen' person, aren't you? at least when it came to a Pandemic Playbook, that is... why is Project 2025 different?!? hmm?? hmm?? And do you even realize how freakin' stupid it is, to say to NOT plan for a possible eventuality? Isn't that how (RESPONSIBLE) people go through life? Planning? Or maybe you don't have insurance, or a retirement plan, or any of those other PLANNING things. Or maybe you're being purposefully obtuse, or you're just that ignorant. Are you capable of posting a comment that isn’t nasty or name calling??? I have managed to post on all of these threads without being nasty or calling one person a name. I can’t speak for sarcasm, but there’s that.🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 23:30:39 GMT
I agree with the nurse. It should ALWAYS and should have always been a choice. are you okay with that choice leading to a return of diseases that used to regularly kill children that have all but been eradicated thanks to vaccines? Like Polio, diphtheria, etc? There will be enough people that will vaccinate their kids and themselves that that won’t be a problem. After Covid, it should be a choice and now it will be hopefully. |
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Post by hopemax on Nov 12, 2024 23:32:57 GMT
The thing I would like to see explained. All the things that RFK and like-minded people want to ban... employ Americans. It's domestic manufacturing
Like Kellogg's employees 33,000 people, Frito-Lay employs 55,000 people, Best Foods / Hellman's (since RFK includes mayonnaise on the bad list) 44,000.
What happens to those folks when they can no longer produce their products?
For this economic reason, I hope people understand this stuff won't be banned. But if he gets an appointment, he may make things difficult by banning ingredients. Which means scarcity, and higher production costs due to reformulations, and therefore higher prices on the shelf.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2024 23:33:36 GMT
There are children who cannot get some vaccines. And that's GOP approved pro-birth, let the kids fall by the wayside..
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Post by Just T on Nov 12, 2024 23:35:13 GMT
There will be enough people that will vaccinate their kids and themselves that that won’t be a problem. After Covid, it should be a choice and now it will be hopefully. While I agree that the Covid vaccine should be a choice, just like the flu or shingles vaccine. But these childhood diseases? That is just insane to me. If there are children who can't have them for whatever reason, sure, don't get them. But how do you know that enough people will vaccinate their kids that it won't be a problem? People I know with babies are spreading their vaccines out more, and I am okay with that. But not getting them at all, just because you don't want to and don't think you should have to is crazy. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 23:35:33 GMT
There are children who cannot get some vaccines. And that's GOP approved pro-birth, let the kids fall by the wayside.. Every kid can get a vaccine if their parents take them to the dr or health department. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2024 23:35:36 GMT
The thing I would like to see explained. All the things that RFK and like-minded people want to ban... employ Americans. It's domestic manufacturing Like Kellogg's employees 33,000 people, Frito-Lay employs 55,000 people, Best Foods / Hellman's (since RFK includes mayonnaise on the bad list) 44,000. What happens to those folks when they can no longer produce their products? For this economic reason, I hope people understand this stuff won't be banned. But if he gets an appointment, he may make things difficult by banning ingredients. Which means scarcity, and higher production costs due to reformulations, and therefore higher prices on the shelf. True enough, but they don't care... |
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Post by hopemax on Nov 12, 2024 23:36:31 GMT
Measles now has a long term resurgence of other problems.. it also can cause assorted after affects: loss of hearing, heart issues etc. Rubella is very dangerous to fetuses... Unfortunately, I think people are going to look at the scale and therefore not care. Someone posted a graphical representation of before and after the measles. But I immediately looked at the axis. People didn't care about a million people dying due to covid. They aren't going to care if 1000 - 4000 kids in their state die from Measles If you haven't seen the graph |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 23:37:59 GMT
There will be enough people that will vaccinate their kids and themselves that that won’t be a problem. After Covid, it should be a choice and now it will be hopefully. While I agree that the Covid vaccine should be a choice, just like the flu or shingles vaccine. But these childhood diseases? That is just insane to me. If there are children who can't have them for whatever reason, sure, don't get them. But how do you know that enough people will vaccinate their kids that it won't be a problem? People I know with babies are spreading their vaccines out more, and I am okay with that. But not getting them at all, just because you don't want to and don't think you should have to is crazy. Choice is choice. With some vaccine injuries, it should be a choice. |
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 23:42:28 GMT
The thing I would like to see explained. All the things that RFK and like-minded people want to ban... employ Americans. It's domestic manufacturing Like Kellogg's employees 33,000 people, Frito-Lay employs 55,000 people, Best Foods / Hellman's (since RFK includes mayonnaise on the bad list) 44,000. What happens to those folks when they can no longer produce their products? For this economic reason, I hope people understand this stuff won't be banned. But if he gets an appointment, he may make things difficult by banning ingredients. Which means scarcity, and higher production costs due to reformulations, and therefore higher prices on the shelf. True enough, but they don't care... These companies made things crappy, they can make them better. Did you know that until 1990, McDonald’s cooked their fries in beef tallow? There should be 3 ingredients in French fries, potatoes, salt and oil. Now there are 19 ingredients in McDonald’s fries. 19 ingredients!!! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 12, 2024 23:54:58 GMT
Measles infections pose far more risks than most realize
The virus can cause “immune amnesia,” leaving patients more vulnerable to other infections.Feb. 18, 2024, 7:00 AM EST By Liz Szabo Erica Finkelstein-Parker planned her daughter’s 8th birthday party with love. Because Emmalee adored airplanes, Finkelstein-Parker chose the theme “Flying High with Emmalee.” Finkelstein-Parker filled nearly two dozen brightly colored goody bags for Emmalee’s friends — one for every child in her class, so no one would feel left out. Months later, the treat bags remained unopened in Finkelstein-Parker’s bedroom, reminders of a birthday party that was never held. Emmalee, who developed a rare complication of measles that can strike years after infection, spent her 8th birthday in hospice care at her family’s home. Her parents adopted Emmalee from an orphanage in India when she was 2 ½ years old. The orphanage staff didn’t tell them she had been infected with measles. “There are some things that a parent should never have to do,” said Finkelstein-Parker, of Littlestown, Pennsylvania. “I had to call the birthday venue and explain that we were canceling the party because our daughter was dying.” Emmalee died on Jan. 2, 20 *** Measles is so contagious that even one case is considered an outbreak. Each measles patient infects an average of 12 to 18 people who lack immunity from vaccines or natural infection. In comparison, each Covid-19 patient infects about two other people, said Dr. Paul Offit, the director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. *** Although two doses of the measles vaccine protect 97% of children, the airborne virus spreads so quickly that 95% of children in a community need to be vaccinated in order to stop outbreaks. About 93% of children were up to date on the measles vaccine in 2022-23, according to the CDC www.nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/measles-infection-symptoms-longterm-risks-rcna138583hopemax
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 13, 2024 0:00:06 GMT
Not all kids can get vaccines due to health problems. And once again, we are back to the selfishness that we saw during Covid. People who think the vaccines are too dangerous yet rely on other people to take the risk to protect them. I swear some people can’t learn from history and just need to suffer themselves. If only they and their kids were the only ones who would have to face the consequences.
I’ll be curious to see how much RFK and others push for this when they are the ones actually making the decisions and who would also be responsible for the ramifications, vs when they are just spouting off on their soapbox with their agenda.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 13, 2024 0:07:21 GMT
The thing I would like to see explained. All the things that RFK and like-minded people want to ban... employ Americans. It's domestic manufacturing Like Kellogg's employees 33,000 people, Frito-Lay employs 55,000 people, Best Foods / Hellman's (since RFK includes mayonnaise on the bad list) 44,000. What happens to those folks when they can no longer produce their products? For this economic reason, I hope people understand this stuff won't be banned. But if he gets an appointment, he may make things difficult by banning ingredients. Which means scarcity, and higher production costs due to reformulations, and therefore higher prices on the shelf. I would be interested to know how the cost compares for products that are sold in the US and in other countries with different formulations. |
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Post by hopemax on Nov 13, 2024 0:08:49 GMT
True enough, but they don't care... These companies made things crappy, they can make them better. Did you know that until 1990, McDonald’s cooked their fries in beef tallow? There should be 3 ingredients in French fries, potatoes, salt and oil. Now there are 19 ingredients in McDonald’s fries. 19 ingredients!!! Pop Quiz: Why did McDonald's stop using beef tallow? For the record, I think there are too many preservatives, fillers, etc. in our food vs the rest of the world. But businesses will do everything they can to protect their profit margins. There are costs with reformulating foods, supply chain changes, production line changes, that will show up in our pocket books. If they keep the product. If they don't, and "streamline" job loss should be expected. And it needs to be part of the calculation at how all of this will be great! |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 13, 2024 0:09:01 GMT
There are children who cannot get some vaccines. And that's GOP approved pro-birth, let the kids fall by the wayside.. Every kid can get a vaccine if their parents take them to the dr or health department. No, thats not how that works. That's not how any of this works. There are kids that have allergies to ingredients in the vaccine, chronic health conditions, a compromised immune system or for other medical reasons can't get the vaccine. Rules vary by state by most states have procedures in place to request exemptions from school vaccines for religious, medical or personal reasons. www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/should-not-vacc.html |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 13, 2024 0:10:41 GMT
I do agree that the US has too many additives in their food, but RFK, Jr. is not the right person to lead the department. It is said that he will have a hard time being confirmed by the Senate to lead a department. His best chance is acting as an advisor. Actually, eating right/healthy, losing weight, and exercising have shown to decrease or even eliminate symptoms of a lot of the conditions you mentioned. It’s not misinformation if it’s a fact. It is true for some, but it is not true for everyone. Some people have a genetic disposition towards certain things. A friend has had high cholesterol since his early twenties. Diet and exercise does not help. He is slim and outwardly looks very healthy. He has been taking medication since his twenties. High blood pressure and diabetes is also hereditary. My daughter has MS. Healthy and eating will help her body stay strong, but without medication, she will get irrevocable nerve damage and end up in a wheelchair or die. There is nothing she could do to prevent it. Most people take medications to control conditions that cannot be cured or cannot be controlled with just diet and exercise. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 13, 2024 0:16:19 GMT
I come from a time of no vaccines except small pox. I was a teenager when we got the Salk polio vaccine. I had friend who had had polio, some didn't make it others had lifetime disabilities, some were fine, some suffered a resurgence as adults. Fortunately I didn't know anyone who liver their life in an iron lung.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Nov 13, 2024 0:16:26 GMT
I agree with the nurse. It should ALWAYS and should have always been a choice. are you okay with that choice leading to a return of diseases that used to regularly kill children that have all but been eradicated thanks to vaccines? Like Polio, diphtheria, etc? My Mother in law had polio pre-vaccine as a child. She’s lucky she came away with a limp, a hand that does not quite work right, and partial paralysis of her face. She is a beautiful 91 year old woman whose eye droops a bit and who has had a partial smile since she was 9. She likes vaccines. |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 13, 2024 0:17:09 GMT
True enough, but they don't care... These companies made things crappy, they can make them better. Did you know that until 1990, McDonald’s cooked their fries in beef tallow? There should be 3 ingredients in French fries, potatoes, salt and oil. Now there are 19 ingredients in McDonald’s fries. 19 ingredients!!! Fast food restaurants should be closed. There is nothing at a fast food restaurant that is healthy. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 13, 2024 0:28:53 GMT
My dad and an aunt and uncle (all from different families) had polio as well and had lifelong issues because of it.
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Post by pilcas on Nov 13, 2024 0:33:02 GMT
I agree with the nurse. It should ALWAYS and should have always been a choice. are you okay with that choice leading to a return of diseases that used to regularly kill children that have all but been eradicated thanks to vaccines? Like Polio, diphtheria, etc? And babies, don’t forget those babies who would die from those vaccines. Oh, I forgot, prolife is only until birth. |
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 13, 2024 0:38:47 GMT
I do agree that the US has too many additives in their food, but RFK, Jr. is not the right person to lead the department. It is said that he will have a hard time being confirmed by the Senate to lead a department. His best chance is acting as an advisor. It is true for some, but it is not true for everyone. Some people have a genetic disposition towards certain things. A friend has had high cholesterol since his early twenties. Diet and exercise does not help. He is slim and outwardly looks very healthy. He has been taking medication since his twenties. High blood pressure and diabetes is also hereditary. My daughter has MS. Healthy and eating will help her body stay strong, but without medication, she will get irrevocable nerve damage and end up in a wheelchair or die. There is nothing she could do to prevent it. Most people take medications to control conditions that cannot be cured or cannot be controlled with just diet and exercise. I am the healthiest person you know. Work out daily. Eat so well. I have a chronic illness that, with medical care, still has a 50% chance of killing me before I am 60. In my 20s, pre-ACA, the terror I lived with was that if I ever lost health insurance, those odds went to more like 100%. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 13, 2024 0:39:12 GMT
are you okay with that choice leading to a return of diseases that used to regularly kill children that have all but been eradicated thanks to vaccines? Like Polio, diphtheria, etc? There will be enough people that will vaccinate their kids and themselves that that won’t be a problem. After Covid, it should be a choice and now it will be hopefully. Wait-are you saying that vaccines for polio, measles, diphtheria, etc, for kids should be a choice? That is batshit crazy. I am old, so I got measles, mumps, and chicken pox like just about everyone else born in the 50s.And I was exposed to TB, which is luckily walled off in my lungs. None of these are casual illnesses. A lot of people my age have “pox scars” from picking at the chicken pox scabs. My mom put gloves on me and watched me like a hawk because she didn’t want scars-which look like shallow holes-on my face. When I got mumps, my neck swelled so that it was almost even with my shoulders. Don’t get the Covid or flu shots if you don’t want to. But I am here to tell you that you are a fool if you do not get young children vaccinated. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 13, 2024 1:24:13 GMT
While I was young I missed measles and mumps. Had chicken pox, whooping cough, scarlet fever quarantine signs and all. Measles at 20, very sick, Rubella at 22, not so sick. Never caught mumps although I was with my cousin the whole time she had them.
I know my DS had chicken pox and Rubella, don't remember what else.
Vaccines are life savers!
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