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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 7, 2024 13:40:39 GMT
Well I am not a Republican, not even in name only. 😄. But I do have some family, friends, and I am pretty sure coworkers who are Trump supporters…and truthfully no one has even mentioned the election since it ended. I have not cut anyone out of my life because of politics in the past and do not plan on doing so now…but I am a never say never person, so if someone gets too radical or loud I am open to easing out of or limiting those relationships.
Was I better off under Trump. No not at all and I was mentally worse and more stressed. To listen to what were IMO constant lies and rhetoric and trying to parse it all out was very trying, especially when so much of it was verifiable. It just constantly made me anxious and angry that so many people (general people) refused to really listen to and look into some of Trump’s more contentious ramblings. But because of maybe/mostly good luck, always planning and always living well below my means, I feel I have been living pretty consistently through all the administrations.
My biggest fear is his mass round up and deportations of ‘illegal’ immigrants promise. Trump was very lacking on fulfilling his promises in his last term and, IMO, will try to come out swinging and trying to show his power immediately in this one…and I think this is where he will try to do it. However, again IMO, he will try and do it the easy way first which is to go where it is ‘known’ that there are areas of undocumented workers and that is mostly our small farms and in agricultural settings. These are jobs and areas where we can not hire Americans and now there will be even more of an issue - which in turn is going to result in higher produce/fruits/vegetables/food prices. If he was really concerned he would go round up all the criminal and gang members here illegally first. But because those are such low numbers and harder to locate you know he is going for the poor people who are helping to feed us and allow our agriculture industry to survive. And the amount that this is going to cost us is just astronomical. I hope people have really thought this through. I am not advocating for for doing nothing, as something does have to change, but I am fearful Trump will make things much worse instead of better.
I hope that all my fears are for nothing and I will be proven so so very wrong. But after watching and listening to Trump for 40 years and add in people like Stephen Miller, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Jim Jordan, etc, etc I am not so confident. But I am glad for you (and others) that you are feeling optimistic. I only hope Trump does not stomp out that optimism for a better life for the millions of people who do not feel or think his way and that retribution is not part of his and the GOP’s plan.
Hopefully we can all work for a better life for all people and understand that we are all globally tied together now (for better or worse), and that as a country (and most important as human beings) we need to be cognizant of this. We did not become a ‘Superpower’, which we (general)often brag about, by keeping our nose out of other countries business’ and we can’t do a 180 turn now. Sorry for the rambling but sometimes it just feels good to type it all out…and this is where it happened. Feel free to disregard as it is all just my opinion. 😄
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Post by sarahruby on Nov 7, 2024 13:44:12 GMT
Hi, I am a lifelong Democrat but I appreciate this thread. I think the Democratic party needs to do some soul-searching to find out why the nation voted as it did. Part of the soul-searching involves listening respectfully to others. The listening stops when someone bashes me or the people I love. That does not seem to be the case here. I have been despondent since Tuesday night, but I refuse to hate people who are different from me. I think both parties need to do some soul searching and figure out how to put forth actual viable candidates. The last several elections have been voting what I believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. All the people in this country and these were our best choices? Agreed - hopefully choices will improve in the future. |
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Post by guzismom on Nov 7, 2024 13:45:06 GMT
As expected, a couple have now jumped on the thread to show just how inclusive they are. It's fine...don't listen, don't learn, but the people spoke loud and clear on Tuesday. They did...and now they will enjoy their just desserts. I'm glad I'm at the end of my lifespan; I won't have to put up with the shit storm he will create for too long. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Nov 7, 2024 13:45:09 GMT
I think both parties need to do some soul searching and figure out how to put forth actual viable candidates. The last several elections have been voting what I believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. All the people in this country and these were our best choices? Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that trump is the lesser of 2 evils? Can you really look at his behaviour, his crimes, his opinions on women, the disabled, minority groups and say 'yes, he is the best choice'. That's beyond madness or party loyalty imo. Wasn't tagged but I liked her post so replying to you. Didn't vote for Trump. Whole heartedly agree with her post. So many of us have said this. 2020 was which older white dude won't die on us. I did not like Bidden but he was the lesser of 2 evils. 2024 we had a candidate who jumped in 3 or 4 months before the election to try and save the Democratic party. That didn't work out well because she didn't distance herself from Biden enough. Lately it seems like both parties throw in a person just to get their party in the White House, not to actually do good. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 13:49:24 GMT
As expected, a couple have now jumped on the thread to show just how inclusive they are. It's fine...don't listen, don't learn, but the people spoke loud and clear on Tuesday. Do you ever try to listen and learn what WE are saying? We have tried for the last 9 years. |
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Post by Lurkingpea on Nov 7, 2024 13:58:31 GMT
Ok Republicans, I see and hear all the time in the media about how great Trump is and how he keeps his promises and that is why people are excited about him, so I have a question for you.
What exactly and specifically are you excited that Trump is going to do?
Is it the dismantling of the Education system?
Mass deportations?
Abortion ban?
Put RFK in charge of health?
Eliminate ACA?
Pulling out of NATO?
Tariffs?
Eliminating overtime pay?
I am seriously asking. Those are the things I heard him say he is going to do, so what are you most excited about? Or is there something else?
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Post by gar on Nov 7, 2024 14:04:12 GMT
As expected, a couple have now jumped on the thread to show just how inclusive they are. It's fine...don't listen, don't learn, but the people spoke loud and clear on Tuesday. Well to be honest, all I'm able to garner from your politics since 2016 is that a large portion of Americans are happy to elect an undeniably racist, misogynistic, sneering lying criminal as their president. I hope it doesn't come back to bite you too badly. |
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Post by lesley on Nov 7, 2024 14:16:54 GMT
I think it will be interesting to see how many complain about the leopards eating their faces over the next four years.
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Post by lbp on Nov 7, 2024 14:21:58 GMT
I am usually a Republican but I have written in a name for the last 3 elections because I can't support anyone who has run in those elections. Why out of 300 million people in the US did we end up with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. We can do better than this!
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Post by kristi521 on Nov 7, 2024 14:30:23 GMT
I think both parties need to do some soul searching and figure out how to put forth actual viable candidates. The last several elections have been voting what I believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. All the people in this country and these were our best choices? Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that trump is the lesser of 2 evils? Can you really look at his behaviour, his crimes, his opinions on women, the disabled, minority groups and say 'yes, he is the best choice'. That's beyond madness or party loyalty imo. You can see a couple of messages above my reply that I am NOT a Trump Republican. I do NOT think that he is lesser of 2 evils. |
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Nov 7, 2024 14:37:46 GMT
I'm a lifelong Republican, but not a fan of Trump. I'm reserved, I've posted a few bi-partisan statement/threads and were attacked. No one wants to be open-minded or kind to those that don't feel the same way they do.
I feel that the choices in this and all recent elections are so poor. I do fear for our country and grandkids future.
One of my biggest concerns is the astonishingly high debt this nation is carrying. Someday, someway, somehow this has to be fixed. We can't continue to print money, promise this and than and not think about where it is coming from. Yes, my bottom line is what matters to me( Cost of groceries, gas, taxes,etc) however, it isn't all about ME, Who is going to pay back this debt that continues to accumulate. I feel that Republicans are marginally more fiscally responsible.
That's my 2 cents.
Thank you for starting this thread and acknowledging that there are still Republicans here. :-)
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 7, 2024 14:42:27 GMT
I am usually a Republican but I have written in a name for the last 3 elections because I can't support anyone who has run in those elections. Why out of 300 million people in the US did we end up with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. We can do better than this! so who else? Kamala is a great choice, oh, but she's a woman. |
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Post by needmysanity on Nov 7, 2024 14:44:23 GMT
2. Are they afraid to be ostracized in this community? I consider myself a moderate and typically do not align with either political party. I’ve noticed that the moment I mention I’m considering voting for Trump, people turn against me. I witnessed this on the message boards, particularly in the thread discussing why anyone would vote for him. I’m not uninformed; I follow politics closely, and I make my own voting decisions, independent of my husband's choices. However, the way people react can be quite aggressive when politics come up, so I tend to avoid the topic. I don’t understand the level of divisiveness that some exhibit, particularly when someone suggests I should divorce my husband over his vote. While Democrats often label Trump as hateful and racist, I find that some of their own actions can be just as ugly. You'll rarely see me comment or post about politics, as I know I won’t change anyone's mind, nor will I be swayed by discussions here. Therefore, I choose to live in a world where people can respect each other's decisions and maintain civility. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 7, 2024 14:48:24 GMT
1. Is it because Republicans are more reserved? 2. Are they afraid to be ostracized in this community? That is not my experience AT ALL!!! They certainly are not reserved, and they are proud and loud, wearing their shirts, flags, and hats. Come to a more red backwoods area, and you will see. I am a rare dem, so I am what you described. I think it totally depends on what area of the country you live in. I have talked very plainly on here on where I live, and that my dh, and all his friends and family are republicans. Can you imagine what it's been like since tues?  I have defended both sides on here, and basically told I should divorce my dh. Yea, it's hard sometimes. very. esp now. And I totally have felt sick to my stomach since tuesday. I can't believe that our country has voted for money, over morals and values. that's what it comes down too. |
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Post by needmysanity on Nov 7, 2024 14:48:57 GMT
Hi, I am a lifelong Democrat but I appreciate this thread. I think the Democratic party needs to do some soul-searching to find out why the nation voted as it did. Part of the soul-searching involves listening respectfully to others. The listening stops when someone bashes me or the people I love. That does not seem to be the case here. I have been despondent since Tuesday night, but I refuse to hate people who are different from me. I think both parties need to do some soul searching and figure out how to put forth actual viable candidates. The last several elections have been voting what I believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. All the people in this country and these were our best choices? YES AND YES! I have been saying this for months. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 7, 2024 15:07:30 GMT
I'm a lifelong Democrat who always had mutual respect for Republicans and Republican politicians. Until now. This is not Bush Vs Gore or Obama Vs McCain. This is a moral issue. We don't have a difference of opinion. We have a difference in morals. I do not support Racism, Misogyny and Homophobia. Not even for cheaper gas or groceries, which half the country knows will never happen under Trump. My hope is that the Republican party can rid themselves of the racists in their party so we can go back to mutual respect. I know there are so many Republicans who disagree with Trump's moral character. They voted for him because they put party first. Non-Republicans voted for Trump for the promise of cheaper gas and groceries.
In my opinion, things are going to get so much worse. But I hope and pray that I'm proven wrong. I want Americans to thrive. I want people to be safe and to prosper. I want what is best for my fellow Americans and people all over the world. My hope is that Republicans can figure out a way to find candidates who don't run on a hateful agenda. And that the Democratic party gets their own act together because let's be real. Our party is a mess right now.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 7, 2024 15:12:46 GMT
I’m a Republican who doesn’t discuss politics because I hate arguing. You aren’t going to change me, I’m not going to change you, so live and let live. Not attacking you because I don't really know your stance. But my question to the Republican party is, why do they refuse to live and let live? Because if they did, they wouldn't be anti-gay, against abortion, anti trans-gender rights, anti-immigrant, etc. The Republican party is not the live and let live party. |
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 7, 2024 15:18:37 GMT
14 million democrats stayed home on Tuesday. One thing about republicans is they would vote for a bag of hair if it had an R next to its name. Democrats have to like their candidate enough to marry them. I’m tired of it.
Trump has total control. I hope he does something with what’s left of his life and I hope we aren’t left in total devastation. I just went grocery shopping on Monday. I kept my receipt and I’ll be tracking prices. Same with gas. If I’m not paying less by the end of his tenure (if he actually leaves office) then he will have failed in my eyes.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 7, 2024 15:20:28 GMT
I'm a lifelong Republican, but not a fan of Trump. I'm reserved, I've posted a few bi-partisan statement/threads and were attacked. No one wants to be open-minded or kind to those that don't feel the same way they do. I feel that the choices in this and all recent elections are so poor. I do fear for our country and grandkids future. One of my biggest concerns is the astonishingly high debt this nation is carrying. Someday, someway, somehow this has to be fixed. We can't continue to print money, promise this and than and not think about where it is coming from. Yes, my bottom line is what matters to me( Cost of groceries, gas, taxes,etc) however, it isn't all about ME, Who is going to pay back this debt that continues to accumulate. I feel that Republicans are marginally more fiscally responsible. That's my 2 cents. Thank you for starting this thread and acknowledging that there are still Republicans here. :-) 🤣 You can’t be serious? I’m not trying to be mean but if that is your single issue then I don’t understand. Because in his first term Trump raised the national debt more than 8 TRILLION dollars. www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trumpDouble what Biden did www.self.inc/info/us-debt-by-president/Of all the reasons a person could give for ‘grudgingly’ voting for Trump you gave the most disingenuous one you could. I’m totally baffled by your statement. |
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Post by katybee on Nov 7, 2024 15:20:45 GMT
I'm a lifelong Republican, but not a fan of Trump. I'm reserved, I've posted a few bi-partisan statement/threads and were attacked. No one wants to be open-minded or kind to those that don't feel the same way they do. I feel that the choices in this and all recent elections are so poor. I do fear for our country and grandkids future. One of my biggest concerns is the astonishingly high debt this nation is carrying. Someday, someway, somehow this has to be fixed. We can't continue to print money, promise this and than and not think about where it is coming from. Yes, my bottom line is what matters to me( Cost of groceries, gas, taxes,etc) however, it isn't all about ME, Who is going to pay back this debt that continues to accumulate. I feel that Republicans are marginally more fiscally responsible. That's my 2 cents. Thank you for starting this thread and acknowledging that there are still Republicans here. :-) Trump’s corporate tax rates increased our deficit. If his proposed tax cuts go through, it will be larger than you can even imagine. |
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Post by lainey on Nov 7, 2024 15:23:34 GMT
they would vote for a bag of hair Which is indeed what they've done. |
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 7, 2024 15:25:23 GMT
they would vote for a bag of hair Which is indeed what they've done. You picked up what I was putting down 😉 |
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 7, 2024 15:26:13 GMT
I get that finances are a huge deal but...honest question...can you overlook EVERYthing else...the racism, the stripping of women's rights etc...for that, taking into account that he wasn't even actually responsible for the benefits you felt in his first term? We all...every single voter had to overlook something wrong with our candidate. So it's not that we are overlooking everything else, it's that the Democratic and Republican platforms are different and we are Republicans with thoughts and beliefs that differ from the Democratic platform. We had a choice between 2 people and we weighed our options and chose who we believed to be the best one for the job. I truly hope that I’m wrong am worrying too much, and that he is not as bad as I think that he is. I would love to be wrong. |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 7, 2024 15:28:08 GMT
You know what isn't going to happen as a result of Trump being elected: an Insurrection. That is a major difference between the parties. Also our candidate conceded.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 7, 2024 15:29:36 GMT
Ok Republicans, I see and hear all the time in the media about how great Trump is and how he keeps his promises and that is why people are excited about him, so I have a question for you. What exactly and specifically are you excited that Trump is going to do? Is it the dismantling of the Education system? Mass deportations? Abortion ban? Put RFK in charge of health? Eliminate ACA? Pulling out of NATO? Tariffs? Eliminating overtime pay? I am seriously asking. Those are the things I heard him say he is going to do, so what are you most excited about? Or is there something else? These are the questions I want answered too. Because I'll tell you, I was a Republican. Not only was I a Republican, I spent years working for Republicans in my state legislature. I have knocked more doors for Republicans than I can count. I did not vote for Obama, not either time. They started to lose me around gay marriage. That's where I began questioning what they stood for because I couldn't wrap my brain around people who claim to love individual freedom working so hard to prevent gay people from having access to the same freedoms as heterosexual people. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I also didn't vote for Hillary Clinton which is something I feel terribly about at this point. But when you know better, you do better. The truth is, my kids were public school kids. I have supported every local millage for them. Because I care about public education and always have. The past 25 years I can't see where that is true of Republicans, especially on a state level. I really would like to see immigration addressed, but there was a good bill put forth just this year and Republicans killed it. I can only assume their goal is actual humiliation? blood shed? What? Because they didn't support good bipartisan policy. No one wants to articulate what the goal is beyond "shithole" countries people not being welcome here. This looks like racism to me. See Tucker Carlson great replacement. Those of you who claim immigration is your issue, what is it you want to happen? Give me some detailed policy. Abortion. I am as prolife as they come but your body is not my business. Individual freedom. And do none of these threads about the women suffering just rip your heart out? How can you read about Neveah Crain and feel like that was OK for her to suffer and die like that? I have as much compassion for her as I have for the unborn. Her life mattered. Eliminate the ACA. Maybe we could debate healthcare policy. I'm fine with that. But where's the alternative plan? Republicans have had over 15 years to put together a plan. You mean none of them can come up with anything worthy of debate? Tariffs. Does Smoot-Hawley mean nothing? There is a distinct lack of historical education that is very clear to me when anyone advocates for increasing tariffs. Overtime pay. Sounds like a good idea. Sounds like something even Democrats could get on board with. *IF* it could be implemented in a practical way. With the way our current tax system is, this is a big challenge. But I think a well-done policy would get bipartisan support. austnscrapaddict below said taxes concern her as does the national debt. They concern me too. But taxes are an integral part in how we lower the debt. Look at the numbers. Trump tax cuts impact on the national debt shows that we most likely can't have both things at the same time. That Trump tax cut, gave me and additional $12 a week. Yeah, I'm fine with them putting that towards the debt. So, I'm sitting here scratching my head on this. I want to listen. But when I actually listen, no one is talking about actual issues. keriwest you mentioned differences in platforms, which specific differences? I'd like to listen but no one is really talking. cindytred says things were better. How? What was better? |
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 15:31:25 GMT
I’m a Republican who doesn’t discuss politics because I hate arguing. You aren’t going to change me, I’m not going to change you, so live and let live. Not attacking you because I don't really know your stance. But my question to the Republican party is, why do they refuse to live and let live? Because if they did, they wouldn't be anti-gay, against abortion, anti trans-gender rights, anti-immigrant, etc. The Republican party is not the live and let live party. For some of us Republicans here we are more Libertarians' maybe even most of us. Fiscal issues I align with Republicans and social issues I align with Democrats. So each election I vote based on what I feel is best at that moment in time. I don't really contribute to political threads anymore because even though I explicitly say I think Trump is a shitty person and I don't support his rhetoric I am still a Republican so I am a fucking evil person. No one is interested in the concerns that I have on the country it is just imperative that it is known that the republicans are an evil party. There is no civil discussion anymore just attacking. I am at an age that I don't care anymore so limit my time here as it longer brings me joy. I mainly hop on now just to see how some of the peas that I do care for are doing and to read their threads. Occasionally curiosity gets the better of me and I will take a peek at a political thread but have been successful at not engaging in the attacking. So until topics can be addressed without attacking I don't foresee Republicans joining in the discussions. It is clear that our opinions do not matter because we are evil and uneducated. -Signed by a Republican who supports gays and also has a college degree |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 7, 2024 15:34:15 GMT
I'm a lifelong Democrat who always had mutual respect for Republicans and Republican politicians. Until now. This is not Bush Vs Gore or Obama Vs McCain. This is a moral issue. We don't have a difference of opinion. We have a difference in morals. I do not support Racism, Misogyny and Homophobia. Not even for cheaper gas or groceries, which half the country knows will never happen under Trump. My hope is that the Republican party can rid themselves of the racists in their party so we can go back to mutual respect. I know there are so many Republicans who disagree with Trump's moral character. They voted for him because they put party first. Non-Republicans voted for Trump for the promise of cheaper gas and groceries. In my opinion, things are going to get so much worse. But I hope and pray that I'm proven wrong. I want Americans to thrive. I want people to be safe and to prosper. I want what is best for my fellow Americans and people all over the world. My hope is that Republicans can figure out a way to find candidates who don't run on a hateful agenda. And that the Democratic party gets their own act together because let's be real. Our party is a mess right now. I totally agree. This isn't about parties and policies, it is about letting an unhinged criminal run our country. I don't know how Kamala Harris can possibly be worse. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 7, 2024 15:40:36 GMT
I'm a lifelong Republican, but not a fan of Trump. I'm reserved, I've posted a few bi-partisan statement/threads and were attacked. No one wants to be open-minded or kind to those that don't feel the same way they do. I feel that the choices in this and all recent elections are so poor. I do fear for our country and grandkids future. One of my biggest concerns is the astonishingly high debt this nation is carrying. Someday, someway, somehow this has to be fixed. We can't continue to print money, promise this and than and not think about where it is coming from. Yes, my bottom line is what matters to me( Cost of groceries, gas, taxes,etc) however, it isn't all about ME, Who is going to pay back this debt that continues to accumulate. I feel that Republicans are marginally more fiscally responsible. That's my 2 cents. Thank you for starting this thread and acknowledging that there are still Republicans here. :-) Trump’s corporate tax rates increased our deficit. If his proposed tax cuts go through, it will be larger than you can even imagine. 100% this. Anyone who believes the current crop of Republicans are more fiscally responsible hasn’t been doing their homework or looking at cold, hard facts. For probably the last forty or fifty years, every Republican administration has increased the deficit and every Democratic administration has dialed it back. www.statista.com/statistics/1366899/percent-change-national-debt-president-us/ |
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Post by huskergal on Nov 7, 2024 15:41:46 GMT
I live in a red state. Our state from local to national is run by Republicans. They run on lowering property taxes every election. You know what hasn't happened, lower property taxes, but our state keeps voting red.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 7, 2024 15:43:35 GMT
I am usually a Republican but I have written in a name for the last 3 elections because I can't support anyone who has run in those elections. Why out of 300 million people in the US did we end up with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. We can do better than this! I honestly don't think anything will change with politics because it's all about who has / can raise the most money, and nowadays, who can tell the most half-truths / capture the slickest soundbites. By and large, it is not about people who want to 'do good' for the country. Politics in this country is a big-money, lifelong business for (most of) those in it. DJT spent the last 4 years campaigning (and whining) for this election. Congress members (most of them) are so concerned about keeping their big-money donors placated that they DO NOT legislate while they're IN office- it's all about optics for the next election, not the work put in front of them. What other profession is there where you can NOT do your job and still make a shit-ton of money, until you are well into your dotage?!? IMO, we need some VERY severe changes in our voting / election rules, but it won't be happening, EVER, because the people in office won't ever let it-- if things changed, most of them would be gone in a heartbeat. |
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I have defended both sides on here, and basically told I should divorce my dh. Yea, it's hard sometimes. very. esp now. And I totally have felt sick to my stomach since tuesday. I can't believe that our country has voted for money, over morals and values. that's what it comes down too. 
