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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 15:52:43 GMT
I am usually a Republican but I have written in a name for the last 3 elections because I can't support anyone who has run in those elections. Why out of 300 million people in the US did we end up with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. We can do better than this! I honestly don't think anything will change with politics because it's all about who has / can raise the most money, and nowadays, who can tell the most half-truths / capture the slickest soundbites. By and large, it is not about people who want to 'do good' for the country. Politics in this country is a big-money, lifelong business for (most of) those in it. DJT spent the last 4 years campaigning (and whining) for this election. Congress members (most of them) are so concerned about keeping their big-money donors placated that they DO NOT legislate while they're IN office- it's all about optics for the next election, not the work put in front of them. What other profession is there where you can NOT do your job and still make a shit-ton of money, until you are well into your dotage?!? IMO, we need some VERY severe changes in our voting / election rules, but it won't be happening, EVER, because the people in office won't ever let it-- if things changed, most of them would be gone in a heartbeat. It baffles me that we do not have term limits for Congress.
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Post by huskergal on Nov 7, 2024 15:52:48 GMT
I am usually a Republican but I have written in a name for the last 3 elections because I can't support anyone who has run in those elections. Why out of 300 million people in the US did we end up with Kamala Harris and Donald Trump. We can do better than this! I honestly don't think anything will change with politics because it's all about who has / can raise the most money, and nowadays, who can tell the most half-truths / capture the slickest soundbites. By and large, it is not about people who want to 'do good' for the country. Politics in this country is a big-money, lifelong business for (most of) those in it. DJT spent the last 4 years campaigning (and whining) for this election. Congress members (most of them) are so concerned about keeping their big-money donors placated that they DO NOT legislate while they're IN office- it's all about optics for the next election, not the work put in front of them. What other profession is there where you can NOT do your job and still make a shit-ton of money, until you are well into your dotage?!? IMO, we need some VERY severe changes in our voting / election rules, but it won't be happening, EVER, because the people in office won't ever let it-- if things changed, most of them would be gone in a heartbeat. I would start with limiting the amount of money a candidate can spend, eliminate pacs, and limit the amount of time the candidates have to campaign. House members should get 2 months of campaign time. They are only in office for 2 years. They spend 1 year working and 1 year campaigning. As long as money controls politics, this is what we get.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 7, 2024 15:56:45 GMT
fake news!!! (it has to be fake; everything negative towards him / Rs MUST be a pack of lies, right?!?) /s
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 7, 2024 16:02:54 GMT
This is the biggest thing I don't get. Republicans claim themselves as these great Christian people, yet they just voted in a man, with no morals, no values, racist, rapist. What religion even IS he? does he go to church? what says he is even a Christian? All for money. MONEY. over everything else. How is that Christian?
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 16:03:21 GMT
Here is what I don't understand on tariffs. They didn't go away after Trump left. I have 5 invoices from different companies in front of me that I just paid and all have the tariff line item that started when Trump put them in place during his 1st term. There are more than just these 5 companies that have it on their invoice but those are just the ones that were scheduled to be paid today. So why the talk of prices going up once the tariffs hit because they are already there.
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Post by gar on Nov 7, 2024 16:06:08 GMT
This is the biggest thing I don't get. Republicans claim themselves as these great Christian people, yet they just voted in a man, with no morals, no values, racist, rapist. What religion even IS he? does he go to church? what says he is even a Christian? All for money. MONEY. over everything else. How is that Christian? Good point. Doesn’t display many Christian values that I recognise and many I do recognise as def not Christian.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 7, 2024 16:06:27 GMT
2. Are they afraid to be ostracized in this community? I consider myself a moderate and typically do not align with either political party. I’ve noticed that the moment I mention I’m considering voting for Trump, people turn against me. I witnessed this on the message boards, particularly in the thread discussing why anyone would vote for him. I’m not uninformed; I follow politics closely, and I make my own voting decisions, independent of my husband's choices. However, the way people react can be quite aggressive when politics come up, so I tend to avoid the topic. I don’t understand the level of divisiveness that some exhibit, particularly when someone suggests I should divorce my husband over his vote. While Democrats often label Trump as hateful and racist, I find that some of their own actions can be just as ugly. You'll rarely see me comment or post about politics, as I know I won’t change anyone's mind, nor will I be swayed by discussions here. Therefore, I choose to live in a world where people can respect each other's decisions and maintain civility. What did dump propose that he will do for you?
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 7, 2024 16:07:28 GMT
This is the biggest thing I don't get. Republicans claim themselves as these great Christian people, yet they just voted in a man, with no morals, no values, racist, rapist. What religion even IS he? does he go to church? what says he is even a Christian? All for money. MONEY. over everything else. How is that Christian? They are far from followers of Jesus, that's for sure. The majority of Americans voted for a man who caused an insurrection. It baffles me that they think this time will be better.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 16:08:42 GMT
This is the biggest thing I don't get. Republicans claim themselves as these great Christian people, yet they just voted in a man, with no morals, no values, racist, rapist. What religion even IS he? does he go to church? what says he is even a Christian? All for money. MONEY. over everything else. How is that Christian? I also find it telling that in their grief and disgust, Democrats (whether elected officials or regular people) are talking about being the light, fighting for what is right, serving people. Republicans are just gloating. The responsibility for making the country a better place for all is always on Democrats. Even though Republicans talk about Jesus all of the time.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 7, 2024 16:13:34 GMT
Not attacking you because I don't really know your stance. But my question to the Republican party is, why do they refuse to live and let live? Because if they did, they wouldn't be anti-gay, against abortion, anti trans-gender rights, anti-immigrant, etc. The Republican party is not the live and let live party. For some of us Republicans here we are more Libertarians' maybe even most of us. Fiscal issues I align with Republicans and social issues I align with Democrats. So each election I vote based on what I feel is best at that moment in time. I don't really contribute to political threads anymore because even though I explicitly say I think Trump is a shitty person and I don't support his rhetoric I am still a Republican so I am a fucking evil person. No one is interested in the concerns that I have on the country it is just imperative that it is known that the republicans are an evil party. There is no civil discussion anymore just attacking. I am at an age that I don't care anymore so limit my time here as it longer brings me joy. I mainly hop on now just to see how some of the peas that I do care for are doing and to read their threads. Occasionally curiosity gets the better of me and I will take a peek at a political thread but have been successful at not engaging in the attacking. So until topics can be addressed without attacking I don't foresee Republicans joining in the discussions. It is clear that our opinions do not matter because we are evil and uneducated. -Signed by a Republican who supports gays and also has a college degree You probably won't respond and that's fine. But just wondering what appealed to you? Pulling out of NATO? Banning abortions? Deporting people who are here legally? Eliminating overtime pay? Tariffs? Tax cuts for the wealthy? I'm just wondering how this will improve the country.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 16:13:41 GMT
Ok Republicans, I see and hear all the time in the media about how great Trump is and how he keeps his promises and that is why people are excited about him, so I have a question for you. What exactly and specifically are you excited that Trump is going to do? Is it the dismantling of the Education system? Mass deportations? Abortion ban? Put RFK in charge of health? Eliminate ACA? Pulling out of NATO? Tariffs? Eliminating overtime pay? I am seriously asking. Those are the things I heard him say he is going to do, so what are you most excited about? Or is there something else? I would really like to hear the answer to this as well.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 16:15:48 GMT
For some of us Republicans here we are more Libertarians' maybe even most of us. Fiscal issues I align with Republicans and social issues I align with Democrats. So each election I vote based on what I feel is best at that moment in time. I don't really contribute to political threads anymore because even though I explicitly say I think Trump is a shitty person and I don't support his rhetoric I am still a Republican so I am a fucking evil person. No one is interested in the concerns that I have on the country it is just imperative that it is known that the republicans are an evil party. There is no civil discussion anymore just attacking. I am at an age that I don't care anymore so limit my time here as it longer brings me joy. I mainly hop on now just to see how some of the peas that I do care for are doing and to read their threads. Occasionally curiosity gets the better of me and I will take a peek at a political thread but have been successful at not engaging in the attacking. So until topics can be addressed without attacking I don't foresee Republicans joining in the discussions. It is clear that our opinions do not matter because we are evil and uneducated. -Signed by a Republican who supports gays and also has a college degree You probably won't respond and that's fine. But just wondering what appealed to you? Pulling out of NATO? Banning abortions? Deporting people who are here legally? Eliminating overtime pay? Tariffs? Tax cuts for the wealthy? I'm just wondering how this will improve the country. Nowhere did I say that I voted Trump or that he appealed to me.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 7, 2024 16:16:45 GMT
Here is what I don't understand on tariffs. They didn't go away after Trump left. I have 5 invoices from different companies in front of me that I just paid and all have the tariff line item that started when Trump put them in place during his 1st term. There are more than just these 5 companies that have it on their invoice but those are just the ones that were scheduled to be paid today. So why the talk of prices going up once the tariffs hit because they are already there. It’s because he has talked about raising them even more, on virtually every product that comes into this country from somewhere else. This is how. www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/trump-favors-huge-new-tariffs-how-do-they-work
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Post by nightnurse on Nov 7, 2024 16:17:15 GMT
I’m a Republican who doesn’t discuss politics because I hate arguing. You aren’t going to change me, I’m not going to change you, so live and let live. How can you say live and let live when you are literally voting against women’s right to do so?
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Post by cindyupnorth on Nov 7, 2024 16:20:58 GMT
I can answer these...
What exactly and specifically are you excited that Trump is going to do? Is it the dismantling of the Education system? Yes. they think god should be back in the schools, we should only be teaching the basics, and parents should be in control. not the govt.
Mass deportations?-yes. they want all illegals out of the country.
Abortion ban? They say this won't happen if your state has passed legislature. Only states that have banned it. It will go back to the states. They are not interested in a federal ban
Put RFK in charge of health? I don't think they care
Eliminate ACA? They want better cheaper insurance/health care. They don't care how. Trump is so smart he'll come up with something. eyeroll Pulling out of NATO? They want us to take care of America 1st. Pull out and use the money on the US, or give the money back to us. They don't care about other countries wars.
Tariffs? They don't understand the cost comes back to the American people. They think the other countries will pay. another eyeroll
Eliminating overtime pay? They claim that is not going to happen. The trump will only eliminate paying taxes on overtime pay. They don't believe in project 25.
there ya go. right from a republicans mouth. (not mine)
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Post by nightnurse on Nov 7, 2024 16:21:00 GMT
I'm a lifelong Republican, but not a fan of Trump. I'm reserved, I've posted a few bi-partisan statement/threads and were attacked. No one wants to be open-minded or kind to those that don't feel the same way they do. I feel that the choices in this and all recent elections are so poor. I do fear for our country and grandkids future. One of my biggest concerns is the astonishingly high debt this nation is carrying. Someday, someway, somehow this has to be fixed. We can't continue to print money, promise this and than and not think about where it is coming from. Yes, my bottom line is what matters to me( Cost of groceries, gas, taxes,etc) however, it isn't all about ME, Who is going to pay back this debt that continues to accumulate. I feel that Republicans are marginally more fiscally responsible. That's my 2 cents. Thank you for starting this thread and acknowledging that there are still Republicans here. :-) You “feel” that republicans are marginally more fiscally responsible. Why do you feel this? Do you just ignore the data? The national debt increases under Republican administrations. www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/29/tweets/republican-presidents-democrats-contribute-deficit/
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 16:22:39 GMT
Laurie from what I read about tariffs, they can sometimes be effective if used in a very specific way. But what Trump is proposing is a tariff (from 20% to 1000%, IIRC) on ALL imported goods. He thinks that the companies will pay that tariff without raising prices, which is ludicrous. Even when he was talking at the Chicago Economic Club he told the interviewer that he knew more about tariffs and the economics of them than the expert. How did the tariffs affect your companies prices and/or bottom line?
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 7, 2024 16:23:30 GMT
Here is what I don't understand on tariffs. They didn't go away after Trump left. I have 5 invoices from different companies in front of me that I just paid and all have the tariff line item that started when Trump put them in place during his 1st term. There are more than just these 5 companies that have it on their invoice but those are just the ones that were scheduled to be paid today. So why the talk of prices going up once the tariffs hit because they are already there. From what I have read, there are supposed to be more of them. We will see.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 7, 2024 16:25:52 GMT
Attacking and responding? Oh, should I gently say...I'm fucking pissed that dogs piss in my yard that I paid hundreds of dollars to get my grass green and they destroy it.
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Post by stittsygirl on Nov 7, 2024 16:30:42 GMT
I think it will be interesting to see how many complain about the leopards eating their faces over the next four years. My favorite subreddit, if you’ve never visited. It’s already getting busy there. This morning it was a post about a manufacturer calling his workers in yesterday, telling them they won’t get Christmas bonuses this year because the company wants to stock up on materials before Trump’s tariffs kick in. Oops. The leopards are going to be eating well over the next four years.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 7, 2024 16:34:14 GMT
Here is what I don't understand on tariffs. They didn't go away after Trump left. I have 5 invoices from different companies in front of me that I just paid and all have the tariff line item that started when Trump put them in place during his 1st term. There are more than just these 5 companies that have it on their invoice but those are just the ones that were scheduled to be paid today. So why the talk of prices going up once the tariffs hit because they are already there. It’s because he has talked about raising them even more, on virtually every product that comes into this country from somewhere else. This is how. www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/trump-favors-huge-new-tariffs-how-do-they-workIt’s mind boggling that not only was this a question but that you had to respond. Why on earth don’t people listen to his words? The lack of critical thinking is just astounding. But hey lets dismantle the public education system, that will help.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 7, 2024 16:36:58 GMT
It baffles me that we do not have term limits for Congress. As someone who worked in the Michigan Legislature before and after terms limits, I can say that I'm not a fan. The institutional knowledge lost is astounding. The amount of power that goes right into the hands of lobbyists to write policy is gross. New legislators believe since they don't need any experience that their staff doesn't either. I left this line of work because between term limits, elections, and this lack of respect for any kind of experience, I was not having my job be at the mercy of these things all the time.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 7, 2024 16:40:25 GMT
It’s mind boggling that not only was this a question but that you had to respond. Why on earth don’t people listen to his words? The lack of critical thinking is just astounding. But hey lets dismantle the public education system, that will help. Yup. Just like how eliminating comprehensive sex education will make teenagers stop having sex. 🤪🙄 Somehow I don’t believe that’s their actual goal.
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Post by janamke on Nov 7, 2024 16:41:07 GMT
In the past -- i.e., when we had normal politics, and real Republicans -- Democrats reacted as you said when a Republican won.... Some sadness, some eye-rolling perhaps, then life went on. Those who were more politically inclined probably continued to support their local candidates, those who were not just went on with their lives. However... all that was with candidates and election winners who did not hurl racial insults at entire groups of people, threaten physical harm to those he doesn't like, choose a Christian Nationalist as his vice president, threaten to take control over women and their bodies, plan to chop at the federal government and public education, threaten our LGBTQ friends and family... If you can't see any difference between the old days and this new reality then you are too far gone for any of us to try even to discuss it. THIS. To the OP, if you can't see that Trump has ruined what was the Republican party then I can't help you. YOU decided racism, misogyny, transphobia didn't matter. YOU did that.
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Post by Gennifer on Nov 7, 2024 16:43:06 GMT
We all...every single voter had to overlook something wrong with our candidate. So it's not that we are overlooking everything else, it's that the Democratic and Republican platforms are different and we are Republicans with thoughts and beliefs that differ from the Democratic platform. We had a choice between 2 people and we weighed our options and chose who we believed to be the best one for the job. You chose to overlook spoiled, rancid meat, while I chose to overlook the garnish. We are not the same.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 16:44:37 GMT
Laurie from what I read about tariffs, they can sometimes be effective if used in a very specific way. But what Trump is proposing is a tariff (from 20% to 1000%, IIRC) on ALL imported goods. He thinks that the companies will pay that tariff without raising prices, which is ludicrous. Even when he was talking at the Chicago Economic Club he told the interviewer that he knew more about tariffs and the economics of them than the expert. How did the tariffs affect your companies prices and/or bottom line? Our customers received two quotes. One was the price if they wanted their bill of materials sourced with China materials (tariffs built into the price) or the price if the customer used USA sourced materials.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 16:46:57 GMT
It baffles me that we do not have term limits for Congress. As someone who worked in the Michigan Legislature before and after terms limits, I can say that I'm not a fan. The institutional knowledge lost is astounding. The amount of power that goes right into the hands of lobbyists to write policy is gross. New legislators believe since they don't need any experience that their staff doesn't either. I left this line of work because between term limits, elections, and this lack of respect for any kind of experience, I was not having my job be at the mercy of these things all the time. Thanks for sharing your perspective. I think most issues are more complex than we would like to initially believe, and that is one of the main problems with how people think these days. My initial thought it that term limits sounds like a good idea (I don't know what the limits would be, but maybe not allowing them to be in congress for 40 years). But as with any other issue there are negative aspects of that as well. I wish more people would pay attention to those consequences before voting or creating laws.
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Post by janamke on Nov 7, 2024 16:47:29 GMT
We all...every single voter had to overlook something wrong with our candidate. So it's not that we are overlooking everything else, it's that the Democratic and Republican platforms are different and we are Republicans with thoughts and beliefs that differ from the Democratic platform. We had a choice between 2 people and we weighed our options and chose who we believed to be the best one for the job. You chose to overlook spoiled, rancid meat, while I chose to overlook the garnish.We are not the same. Wins the internet.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 7, 2024 16:48:57 GMT
Laurie from what I read about tariffs, they can sometimes be effective if used in a very specific way. But what Trump is proposing is a tariff (from 20% to 1000%, IIRC) on ALL imported goods. He thinks that the companies will pay that tariff without raising prices, which is ludicrous. Even when he was talking at the Chicago Economic Club he told the interviewer that he knew more about tariffs and the economics of them than the expert. How did the tariffs affect your companies prices and/or bottom line? Our customers received two quotes. One was the price if they wanted their bill of materials sourced with China materials (tariffs built into the price) or the price if the customer used USA sourced materials. Do you know how the tariffs affected the price of the end product? I'm not sure what your job or industry is, so if that isn't an accurate way to word the question hopefully it makes sense.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 16:53:27 GMT
It’s mind boggling that not only was this a question but that you had to respond. Why on earth don’t people listen to his words? The lack of critical thinking is just astounding. But hey lets dismantle the public education system, that will help. This is what I was talking about in previous posts but oh well I will still bite. Do I really think he is going to impose a 1000% tariff? No. If he imposes large tariffs would my company benefit? Yes because we design and engineer a lot of products that once they get to larger volume quantities we lose them to China because of pricing. When that gap closes then our customers come back to us to build their parts. When I choose who I vote for are tariffs a key issue for me? No. There are much bigger issues that I factor into my decision. Gosh I hope you can understand my post since I am so uneducated.
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