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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 7, 2024 17:47:28 GMT
Tariffs can be added by executive order. Trade Expansion Act of 1962. I agree with this point. I did not agree with Harris's first time homeowner proposal. But I knew that was very unlikely to happen. When we bought our house we got a first time homebuyer credit. Harris's was much more than what we got, but it's not impossible. I did not say it was impossible. I said very unlikely. Because it likely would not have been bipartisan and at this point, I think most Republican leaders are just trying to be contrary and are unconcerned with good policy. They would have done everything they could have to ensure she didn't have a win. The point was it would take an act of Congress where it would be thoroughly debated. A tariff does not.
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Post by lesley on Nov 7, 2024 17:56:09 GMT
I think it will be interesting to see how many complain about the leopards eating their faces over the next four years. My favorite subreddit, if you’ve never visited. It’s already getting busy there. This morning it was a post about a manufacturer calling his workers in yesterday, telling them they won’t get Christmas bonuses this year because the company wants to stock up on materials before Trump’s tariffs kick in. Oops. The leopards are going to be eating well over the next four years.Absolutely. It’s one of my favourite subs as well - it highlights stupidity and lack of foresight so well. And the stories will keep on coming. 🤷♀️
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 7, 2024 17:59:13 GMT
how about not automatically endorsing a candidate that is in decline. How about you give a candidate an opportunity to form a platform? bwahahahahaha!!! really?!? REALLY?!?!? we're back at THAT?!? after watching and listening to Mr. 'Dancing-to-Ave-Maria' NOT answer a question coherently for YEARS, now?!? ...ahhh... excuse me while I roll my eyes back into my head. (IOKIYAR is alive and well)
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Post by wezee on Nov 7, 2024 18:11:15 GMT
How about the fact that the Bible tells us not to judge anyone. You are free to choose the candidate that aligns best with you situation. Many chose Trump. I’m not in your little book club so I don’t care what the Bible says about judging. I do wonder how those who claim to care what the Bible says(feed the hungry, take care of the widows and children, the parable of the Good Samaritan) can vote for a guy who so demonstrably has broken so many of the 10 commandments and espouses such anti Christian policies. Interesting which part of the Bible you call on here. Don’t be rude by saying “ I’m not in your little book club” don’t assume I’m a Trump supporter. Since you are wondering. I am responsible for me. I am actively involved with the homeless, the starving, those who are unable to support themselves here in the US and in other parts of this world. I try my best to follow the Bible. I will fight for the right of others who are in need. The fact is every single candidate is guilty of the same exact sins. We are all sinners. if you are waiting for a candidate that is free of breaking the 10 commandments you are going to be waiting a long time. if I understand it’s the degree of his sins that offends your sense of decency. Since we are all sinners the questions become to what degree can we “forgive” what rules and degree of the sin. You have your standards. Some people choose to accept a different standard. Honestly, the Bible can be interpreted in a ton of different ways. You find it interesting “which part of the Bible I refer to.” Don’t misunderstand me. Some people believe that abortion is a major sin. It’s not for me to judge them, but I will fight til my last breath for her right to choose what is best for her and her situation. The key here is that some people have parts of the Bible that are deeply ingrained in. Others may interpret the same reading differently. You can’t pick and choose which sin is worst than others. I choose to believe that I am here to serve others without judgement.
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Post by Merge on Nov 7, 2024 18:13:31 GMT
Ah, I see now we're back to blaming the Democrats because Republicans nominated and elected Trump.
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Post by pantsonfire on Nov 7, 2024 18:21:00 GMT
Ah, I see now we're back to blaming the Democrats because Republicans nominated and elected Trump. As did Democrats, independents, green party, etc. The Democratic Party should have blame in who they chose and how it was ran. You can't point the finger and blame everyone else when your own party line chose not to vote for VP Harris.
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Post by nightnurse on Nov 7, 2024 18:23:17 GMT
I’m not in your little book club so I don’t care what the Bible says about judging. I do wonder how those who claim to care what the Bible says(feed the hungry, take care of the widows and children, the parable of the Good Samaritan) can vote for a guy who so demonstrably has broken so many of the 10 commandments and espouses such anti Christian policies. Interesting which part of the Bible you call on here. Don’t be rude by saying “ I’m not in your little book club” don’t assume I’m a Trump supporter. Since you are wondering. I am responsible for me. I am actively involved with the homeless, the starving, those who are unable to support themselves here in the US and in other parts of this world. I try my best to follow the Bible. I will fight for the right of others who are in need. The fact is every single candidate is guilty of the same exact sins. We are all sinners. if you are waiting for a candidate that is free of breaking the 10 commandments you are going to be waiting a long time. if I understand it’s the degree of his sins that offends your sense of decency. Since we are all sinners the questions become to what degree can we “forgive” what rules and degree of the sin. You have your standards. Some people choose to accept a different standard. Honestly, the Bible can be interpreted in a ton of different ways. You find it interesting “which part of the Bible I refer to.” Don’t misunderstand me. Some people believe that abortion is a major sin. It’s not for me to judge them, but I will fight til my last breath for her right to choose what is best for her and her situation. The key here is that some people have parts of the Bible that are deeply ingrained in. Others may interpret the same reading differently. You can’t pick and choose which sin is worst than others. I choose to believe that I am here to serve others without judgement. Again, very telling which posts you choose to respond to and which you don’t. You didn’t respond to my other one where I asked why we all have to get along while our rights are taken away, you responded to the one where you got to tell me not to be rude. Which is more rude, asking me to get along with my oppressor or dismissing your religion?
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 7, 2024 18:23:18 GMT
So, so, so very tired of being blamed for losses. How about looking at those who voted for Trump because of eggs! Do they really think “CHANGE” (meaning “change” that will help working and middle classes economically) will be delivered by Trump? How about the dispossession of the poor, the unemployed, those who have to choose between food or meds, etc. Is Trump, their new “Change Agent,” going to help them? Yeah, sure…the fake populist will do all that.
Newsflash: He couldn’t care less about you or anyone else. All he wants and has ever wanted were power, enormous personal wealth, breaking laws with impunity, and blonde women. He has no core principles other than those.
There is not a single redeeming value in that man. YET, this country chose to bring him back to the White House—a convicted felon, rapist and lifelong fraudster—because the other choice was a black-Asian woman (gasp!!).
The Internet is glutted with post-mortems. Harris did not differentiate herself from Biden; she could not give solutions to economic problems; she’s not a progressive; she’s a neo-lib; she’s too far left; she’s too much of a centrist; she is this, she is that, on and on…blame, blame, blame. The Dem Party is far from perfect, but between the two parties, the only one that has striven to better ordinary people’s lives has been the Dems. So, instead of voting for a president, representatives and senators who can actualize at least some of the progressive legislation that will actually deliver results—decrease child poverty, stem the tide of corporate greed, raise the minimum wage, reduce the burden of medical costs, etc, etc—what do they do? They vote for Trump, a red Senate and likely a red House!
So, hurray for the Trump voters who are so very concerned about the “economy.” Let’s get together again two years from now so y’all can slap me with statistics on how Trump made America great again.
I’m done trying to understand the “other side.” I have no more understanding to give.
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Post by cindytred on Nov 7, 2024 18:24:39 GMT
I’m a Republican who doesn’t discuss politics because I hate arguing. You aren’t going to change me, I’m not going to change you, so live and let live. I get that. Cindy
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Post by Merge on Nov 7, 2024 18:27:05 GMT
Ah, I see now we're back to blaming the Democrats because Republicans nominated and elected Trump. As did Democrats, independents, green party, etc. The Democratic Party should have blame in who they chose and how it was ran. You can't point the finger and blame everyone else when your own party line chose not to vote for VP Harris. Nope. The Republicans bear 100% of the responsibility for Trump. He can't be in office if they don't nominate him, if they don't roll over for whatever he wants, if they don't agree to help him try to steal an election, if they don't support him in the big lie, and if they don't hand him the keys to the party. The Democrats' candidates were not perfect, but Republicans run a convicted felon/rapist/insurrectionist and somehow Democrats are to blame? Just stop with that. Nobody forced anyone to vote for that mess. Republicans won this one. But they seem to want to win AND have the Democrats say, aw, shucks, all is forgiven! That simply isn't going to happen. Republicans won this one and that will have to be enough. They will continue to have to deal with the fact that half the country thinks they're treasonous morons.
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Post by disneypal on Nov 7, 2024 18:28:25 GMT
I am a proud Republican and I am happy with last nights election results. In my opinion our economy was better during Trump's first term. I'm glad that you are happy with the outcome. While I don't agree with your choice, I do understand it and respect it. I am not nor have ever been anti-Republican and have voted Republican many times. I do see most that voted for him reference the economy. In my opinion, the reason the economy isn't as good now is because of the spending that was done during his administration. The way I explained it to a younger person was this. If you have lots of money in the month of August and you spend, spend, spend, spend. While your bank account goes down, you are doing ok because you had money all month and you now have things to show for your money. This was Trump's administration. But, then September comes along and now you don't have any money because you spent it all the prior month (this is Biden's administration). You have to build it back up and then the next month, October, you'll have money again (this is what Trump will inherit). While I would and probably will vote for a Republican again, I just can't support him. He lies continually, he paid off someone to keep quiet about an affair, he said he wanted to grab a woman by the p**sy, he thinks there is a giant faucet attached to a wall in Canada that we can turn on and pour into California, he said people are eating pets, he claims he will do mass deportation but doesn't even factor in how he will do that or the billions it will cost to do that. He put supreme court justices in place that set women's rights back 50 years. The first thing he is going to do as president is fire those that filed charges against him. So he cares more about his personal stake, then the taking some kind of action to help the country. He has 34 felony convictions, 2 impeachments& 6 bankruptcys & a lawsuit conviction (if someone else besides Trump had this history, I can't imagine anyone voting for them) J.D. Vance has said if you don't have children, you really don't have a say-so in the future of our country. I can of course go on and on. I'm not against Republicans, I just don't think Trump is honest or stable. But as I said, you of course see things differently than I do and of course, that is perfectly ok. I do respect your decision to vote for him, and I will be praying for him as he becomes president. I'm so glad we live in a country where we have a choice and a voice of our leaders.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 7, 2024 18:37:51 GMT
Donald Trump won the Presidential election by being voted into office by American citizens. I've been a happy member of this board since 1998 and I find the Dems to be outspoken enough that it "looks like" everyone on this board votes for the Democrat candidate - but I find this hard to believe. I know this board is very diverse (e.i., education, location {rural, city dwellers, countries}, and age). Yet no one is celebrating Trumps victory. 1. Is it because Republicans are more reserved? 2. Are they afraid to be ostracized in this community? It is reason number 2 for me. I am a proud Republican and I am happy with last nights election results. In my opinion our economy was better during Trump's first term. COVID happened - but that was beyond anyone's control. When a Dem gets elected into office, I feel sick to my stomach at first - but I accept it and it's not the end of the world. It is a pendulum and it will always swing back and forth and I think that is a good thing. Okay Republicans - speak up! Keep it kind. Be open-minded. I hope this isn't the end of my relationship with the Peas - but if it is I'll live. I don't post here often - I'm mostly a lurker. I don't know how to flag this post as POLITICAL. Cindy I apologize if I'm confusing you with a different pea, but weren't you diagnosed with cancer in the last year or so? If that's you, do you even realize that you now have a "pre-existing condition". Good luck with that when it comes time use your health insurance.
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Post by wezee on Nov 7, 2024 18:40:50 GMT
I have voted for republicans and democrats. I think it’s a good thing to have a mix of both. What irks me is the lack of acceptance from both sides. Most citizens are in capable of compromise. Sometimes you win sometimes they win. I remain open minded. This board is not. Here and in many parts of our country are people with different opinions different from your own are labeled as garbage, deplorable. Leftist are labeled power hungry, incompetent. How in the world can we live in harmony? We can even have a civil debate without feeling attacked. Where has respect for others opinion gone? How can anyone understand stand a persons opinion by degrading them personally? I’ve tried here and in real life to gain insight to why people feel a certain way only to be degraded. By both Republican and Democrats. When people, of both parties , have chosen a candidate that best represent their beliefs. It’s childish to start calling each other names. Calling an opponents supporter names diminish their credibility. We look like fools to the rest of the world. How can we understand another country’s position from their point of view when we can’t even have a civil discussion with each other? Just because you don’t agree with their position doesn’t give you the right to denigrate each other. It’s not one party who is to blame. Both parties are disgraceful and incapable of compromise. I don’t usually complain and not offer a solution. My solution is let’s evoke term limits. No one should be in a position of influence for 50 years. Our current political parties are both guilty. You can’t convince me that someone who pulls in millions of dollars by being a politician understands what the majority of voters are experiencing. Privileged politicians are incapable of giving up power. They show very little empathy to anyone who has a different idea. They make laws and then exempt them selves. I feel so aggravated that my fellow citizens are literally feel like killing themselves because of an outcome they didn’t identify with. Celebrities throw up their hands I’ll move out of the US if so and so wins. Really! Instead understanding someone else’s choice to go in a different direction, they stop their feet in a tantrum. Then we wonder why we are in the position we are in. News flash not everyone is going to share your opinion! We fought for the right to speak freely regardless of what or who you identify with. People who have resources and access to media should be held to the highest standard. They have the ability to speak to the masses. Shouldn’t they speak respectfully? Never mind the fact that Kathy Griffen held a severed head that look like Trump. We as a nation should have come out in mass to call her out on that. However She did the right to do so, having the right to is one thing expressing death to someone is not. Both parties should have expressed that was too far. Democrat supporters said he needs to be taken out. Too bad the person who attempted to kill Trump wasn’t a better shot. Some of them hold high positions in the government. They literally express that in their minds people should kill a candidate. Then we are shocked that someone would try to kill him. They admittedly said ok we need to “cool off” Only a few months later to call him a Natzi and degrade any supporter of his. I for one loved Michelle Obama said “when they go low we go high”. Why didn’t we follow her example? I was rooting for Harris to win. I prayed that with her in the highest position in our country we would see a kinder gentler leader. Why didn’t she win? I for one thought she would. In talking to friends they expressed. Maybe voters would have been more inclined to vote for her if she had more time to prepare. Maybe If she would have admitted that the current administration could have made better policies for our economy. You know take responsibility. She’s not the only one who have gotten us in this position. But admitting things could be handled better, she would have become relatable. We all make mistakes. What are we teaching our kids? When things don’t go your way move to another country? We had a school who offered kids Wednesday off to help them cope. Ok, I understand kids are affected. How about encouraging them to try to understand someone else’s opinion? Get evolved! It seems that you forgot that Kathy Griffin was cancelled after that, and both sides held her accountable. It also seems that you forgot about Trump posting a meme of Biden being tied up in the back of a truck and many other horrible things. With no accountability from Republicans (or you, it seems). What our kids are learning is that lying, cheating, racism, sexism and being nasty to others is ok. Just this morning I was thinking that most of my own kids' political lives have been influenced by Trump. I do see that Democrats have changed our tone, including myself. I also see that as a response to Trump and Republicans. We are tired of "going high when they go low" because that hasn't worked. We have been beaten down and see people that we care about being beaten down and denigrated by Trump and his supporters. Some Republicans like to make it sound like they are just full of love and light and simply choosing what their priorities. But like has been said a million times--we GET THAT. What they don't get is that it is more than just tax code. I didn't even identify with a political party until some time during Obama's terms or maybe even when Trump ran. I loved Obama and really wanted him to win. But I wouldn't have been horrified if McCain won. Probably Romney as well, although I don't agree with him policy wise. But now I have a hard time thinking of any Republican that wouldn't horrify me. They are all full MAGA. I know a lot of people who are good people in other ways. But I can't help but have some distrust in regards to their values if I know that they voted for Trump. I have not seen one post here or IRL where someone acknowledged why I and others might feel that way. That speaks volumes. I have not forgotten! My opinion is we as a nation have accepted that these standards are acceptable. They are not. Im saddened that you can’t find anyone who can empathize with you and your feelings. I for one do get it. People are speaking out! We as citizens need to have higher standards. People say Trump will reign rather than serve our government. Someone said to me “you do realize that are elected officials that have been in service for decades!”how is that any different. She was right we are panicking that Trump will now have 8 years to govern. But we accept that we have elected officials that have been in power for 40 50 years. Well, we can only vote for those who are slated. We should never have to choose the lesser of two evils. I can honestly say is the best we can choose from? I wanted to vote none of the above! Neither one of the Parties is able to identify with the ”middle class” let alone those who are struggling just to survive another day. We are forced to choose which millionaire has the best policies for me. We the people need to demand better. Stop the 40-50 year old political careers. Limit the money that is able to be spent on an election. Limit the time they can campaign. I for one want to scream “ hey about you do the job you were elected for” get the hell of the campaign trail and concentrate on doing your job. You can’t effectively govern if you spend half of your time you campaigning. The fact that we accept this behavior speaks volumes of who we are and what we are willing to accept. We can do better than what we are dealing with. We need to stop seeing this as an us or them issue and which is the lesser of two evils I for one am sorry that you feel unheard whether is on this board or in real life. Everyone should be able to speak their mind isn’t that what our country was founded on?
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 18:45:22 GMT
Donald Trump won the Presidential election by being voted into office by American citizens. I've been a happy member of this board since 1998 and I find the Dems to be outspoken enough that it "looks like" everyone on this board votes for the Democrat candidate - but I find this hard to believe. I know this board is very diverse (e.i., education, location {rural, city dwellers, countries}, and age). Yet no one is celebrating Trumps victory. 1. Is it because Republicans are more reserved? 2. Are they afraid to be ostracized in this community? It is reason number 2 for me. I am a proud Republican and I am happy with last nights election results. In my opinion our economy was better during Trump's first term. COVID happened - but that was beyond anyone's control. When a Dem gets elected into office, I feel sick to my stomach at first - but I accept it and it's not the end of the world. It is a pendulum and it will always swing back and forth and I think that is a good thing. Okay Republicans - speak up! Keep it kind. Be open-minded. I hope this isn't the end of my relationship with the Peas - but if it is I'll live. I don't post here often - I'm mostly a lurker. I don't know how to flag this post as POLITICAL. Cindy I apologize if I'm confusing you with a different pea, but weren't you diagnosed with cancer in the last year or so? If that's you, do you even realize that you now have a "pre-existing condition". Good luck with that when it comes time use your health insurance. I know I am uneducated and lack critical thinking but in 2016 he campaigned on getting rid of ACA and didn't. Why do you think he will this time?
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Post by Merge on Nov 7, 2024 18:49:42 GMT
I apologize if I'm confusing you with a different pea, but weren't you diagnosed with cancer in the last year or so? If that's you, do you even realize that you now have a "pre-existing condition". Good luck with that when it comes time use your health insurance. I know I am uneducated and lack critical thinking but in 2016 he campaigned on getting rid of ACA and didn't. Why do you think he will this time? He had a nominally Democratic senate standing in his way. If the house stays Republican, there will be nothing to stop him from doing whatever he wants. What makes you think he won't get rid of the ACA?
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Post by pinklady on Nov 7, 2024 18:50:00 GMT
I apologize if I'm confusing you with a different pea, but weren't you diagnosed with cancer in the last year or so? If that's you, do you even realize that you now have a "pre-existing condition". Good luck with that when it comes time use your health insurance. I know I am uneducated and lack critical thinking but in 2016 he campaigned on getting rid of ACA and didn't. Why do you think he will this time?
Jesus fucking christ, because 1 senator, John McCain stopped it. You know McCain is dead, right? What other senator is going to vote no now?
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Post by pinklady on Nov 7, 2024 18:51:14 GMT
If this is true, the karma
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 18:55:01 GMT
We need to stop seeing this as an us or them issue and which is the lesser of two evils No I think both parties need to figure out how to get better candidates out in front of us and not accept the lesser than two evils that we have had in front of us. There are plenty of other viable candidates out there that are not old, white men. It is time to break that mold. As an aside, generally speaking when using the phrase lesser of two evils I don't know that I can put Joe Biden in that category. I honestly don't think Joe Biden is an evil person. There were things I did not agree with on him but his character was as good as one could expect from a politician. Just remember he faithfully goes to mass every Sunday. I believe he has only missed a handful of times.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 7, 2024 18:59:17 GMT
And what did Pence accomplish during his four years under TFG? In charge of Covid? How did that go for over a millions deceased people?
VPs don't get things done with their name attached. That is just the way it works and the public should know that. Unfortunately education is lacking and will get progressively worse. A sitting VP doesn't talk ill of the sitting president. She will remain as VP until Jan 20th had she been elected or not.
ETA: think about what is going to happen in a few years with kids not receiving routine vaccines. Polio is back in the United States this past year. There has been an outbreak of measles, which btw carries long term affects in children! We have a high school in my area with a whooping cough problem. Cough, kids has to see a doctor, get a note of clearance to get back into school. Childhood deceased are killers for infants!!! That will the new normal if health services are shut down. Where were the majority of deaths in kids from Covid? Think about !!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 7, 2024 19:02:28 GMT
We need to stop seeing this as an us or them issue and which is the lesser of two evils No I think both parties need to figure out how to get better candidates out in front of us and not accept the lesser than two evils that we have had in front of us. There are plenty of other viable candidates out there that are not old, white men. It is time to break that mold.As an aside, generally speaking when using the phrase lesser of two evils I don't know that I can put Joe Biden in that category. I honestly don't think Joe Biden is an evil person. There were things I did not agree with on him but his character was as good as one could expect from a politician. Just remember he faithfully goes to mass every Sunday. I believe he has only missed a handful of times. and how do you think that will work? explain to me how / where that happens, and when? there were two (major party) choices on the ballot. Do you really expect the majority of voters would vote 'none of the above?' and somehow upend the system? No. People vote for whichever one of the two major choices put before them that they feel will be the best for them. srsly. We get what we're given- a la South Park: if it's a choice between a giant douche and a sh!t sandwich, you still have to choose between the two. And for some reason I cannot even fathom to understand- am not sure I even WANT to understand- a majority of voters chose the piece of sh!t as the better choice.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 19:05:15 GMT
I know I am uneducated and lack critical thinking but in 2016 he campaigned on getting rid of ACA and didn't. Why do you think he will this time? He had a nominally Democratic senate standing in his way. If the house stays Republican, there will be nothing to stop him from doing whatever he wants. What makes you think he won't get rid of the ACA? If there isn't anymore flipping of seats the breakdown should be the same this time so I don't think he will secure the votes. I was not a fan of ACA at first because I saw what it did to our employees premiums and how it became too expensive for them. However, I do see the value in it so I do not want a full repeal of it. I don't think it is perfect but until we can get the two parties to work together and fix it then I would rather see it being left as is. I am not hopeful that we will see the two parties work together anytime soon.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 19:05:55 GMT
Jesus fucking christ, because 1 senator, John McCain stopped it. You know McCain is dead, right? What other senator is going to vote no now? I believe there was more than 1 Republican senator that stopped it. ETA: 9 voted no for the repeal and replace. Not just 1.
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Post by wezee on Nov 7, 2024 19:06:25 GMT
Don’t be rude by saying “ I’m not in your little book club” don’t assume I’m a Trump supporter. Since you are wondering. I am responsible for me. I am actively involved with the homeless, the starving, those who are unable to support themselves here in the US and in other parts of this world. I try my best to follow the Bible. I will fight for the right of others who are in need. The fact is every single candidate is guilty of the same exact sins. We are all sinners. if you are waiting for a candidate that is free of breaking the 10 commandments you are going to be waiting a long time. if I understand it’s the degree of his sins that offends your sense of decency. Since we are all sinners the questions become to what degree can we “forgive” what rules and degree of the sin. You have your standards. Some people choose to accept a different standard. Honestly, the Bible can be interpreted in a ton of different ways. You find it interesting “which part of the Bible I refer to.” Don’t misunderstand me. Some people believe that abortion is a major sin. It’s not for me to judge them, but I will fight til my last breath for her right to choose what is best for her and her situation. The key here is that some people have parts of the Bible that are deeply ingrained in. Others may interpret the same reading differently. You can’t pick and choose which sin is worst than others. I choose to believe that I am here to serve others without judgement. Again, very telling which posts you choose to respond to and which you don’t. You didn’t respond to my other one where I asked why we all have to get along while our rights are taken away, you responded to the one where you got to tell me not to be rude. Which is more rude, asking me to get along with my oppressor or dismissing your religion? I’m sorry you felt was choosing to ignore your comment. I was responding to your most current comment. Why do we need to get along while our right are being taken away is a valid comment. I feel that it’s important to hear and understand why people feel the way they do. If I’m not understanding your point. You are clearly feeling like you are forced to accept oppression. Shame on anyone who would endorse that behavior. I read a really good quote a long time ago. First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. we should never ever allow anyone to think for one minute that that action is acceptable. While right do you feel you have lost? Is it abortion? As I understand it it’s up to each state to determine that right. My state made sure that our right was not taken from us. I was verbal that it should be a woman’s right to choose. Our state heard our plea. Should the threaten to limit insurance coverage I will once again make my voice heard. You too should align yourself with others that are willing to put words in to action.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 7, 2024 19:06:35 GMT
Jesus fucking christ, because 1 senator, John McCain stopped it. You know McCain is dead, right? What other senator is going to vote no now? I believe there was more than 1 Republican senator that stopped it. McCain was the deciding vote- you don't remember seeing that on television?!?
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 19:09:59 GMT
No I think both parties need to figure out how to get better candidates out in front of us and not accept the lesser than two evils that we have had in front of us. There are plenty of other viable candidates out there that are not old, white men. It is time to break that mold.As an aside, generally speaking when using the phrase lesser of two evils I don't know that I can put Joe Biden in that category. I honestly don't think Joe Biden is an evil person. There were things I did not agree with on him but his character was as good as one could expect from a politician. Just remember he faithfully goes to mass every Sunday. I believe he has only missed a handful of times. and how do you think that will work? explain to me how / where that happens, and when? there were two (major party) choices on the ballot. Do you really expect the majority of voters would vote 'none of the above?' and somehow upend the system? No. People vote for whichever one of the two major choices put before them that they feel will be the best for them. srsly. We get what we're given- a la South Park: if it's a choice between a giant douche and a sh!t sandwich, you still have to choose between the two. And for some reason I cannot even fathom to understand- am not sure I even WANT to understand- a majority of voters chose the piece of sh!t as the better choice. Oh I agree I am not sure why he was chosen in the primary. He was not the one that I voted for and I was mad that this was who we decided to put on the ballot.
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Post by Laurie on Nov 7, 2024 19:11:19 GMT
I believe there was more than 1 Republican senator that stopped it. McCain was the deciding vote- you don't remember seeing that on television?!? That was the "skinny repeal." I was talking about the repeal and replace.
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Post by lanena on Nov 7, 2024 19:13:34 GMT
I think both parties need to do some soul searching and figure out how to put forth actual viable candidates. The last several elections have been voting what I believe to be the lesser of 2 evils. All the people in this country and these were our best choices? What will be hard for voters to accept is there is no soul-searching required. Like the inflation, that Republicans have tried to tag Biden with was actually a global phenomenon following the pandemic and Russia’s war with Ukraine, politically the global reaction post-pandemic has been for voters in multiple countries to “throw the bums out.” And here’s the thing, the same thing happened post WWI / Spanish Flu pandemic of 2018. Americans like to think they are special and this is unprecedented. It’s not, and history tells that what happens next is a rise of Authoritarian rule, that once established, is hard for a country to rid itself of. Voters made their choice for the United States to be on the side of Authoritarianism this time, instead of the role played between 1920-1945. They will have to live with the consequences of that choice, whether they acknowledge the role they played in choosing this, later or not. I agree with kristi521 that both parties need to do some soul-searching. I have no real influence with Republicans since I am a Democrat, but I belong to a couple of Democratic groups that are at a loss right now. I taught for 31 years, and I believe that there are methods for imparting information that are both clear and dignified. I agree with hopemax that the causes of inflation were misunderstood by many Americans, and it was easy for some to manipulate this confusion. I just wish that my own party had clarified and been more sympathetic to the plight of ordinary Americans. We did not do a good job of communicating, and I am joining with others on Saturday to come up with better strategies. I am in mourning for the outcome of this election since it affects so many people I care about, but I am trying hard to pick myself (and others) off the floor so we can come up with effective, concrete action. I am an immigrant, the daughter of a naturalized American citizen, and I can't give up on this country just yet.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 7, 2024 19:13:46 GMT
oh, excuse me... I didn't know which of the endless, pointless, cruel, costly ACA-repeal attempts we were talking about.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 7, 2024 19:14:42 GMT
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Post by wezee on Nov 7, 2024 19:15:14 GMT
We need to stop seeing this as an us or them issue and which is the lesser of two evils No I think both parties need to figure out how to get better candidates out in front of us and not accept the lesser than two evils that we have had in front of us. There are plenty of other viable candidates out there that are not old, white men. It is time to break that mold. As an aside, generally speaking when using the phrase lesser of two evils I don't know that I can put Joe Biden in that category. I honestly don't think Joe Biden is an evil person. There were things I did not agree with on him but his character was as good as one could expect from a politician. Just remember he faithfully goes to mass every Sunday. I believe he has only missed a handful of times. I agree He is a very honorable man and I have supported him. When cognitive decline came into play it angered me that the Democratic Party chose to hide his condition. They chose support his reelection. It was clear to many people that he was in decline yet they didn’t address it. I’m furious that he was disrespected and treated like the way he was. That’s on the Democrats. They took a very fine man and humiliated him publicly. Maybe if they would have provided a candidate that had the time to develop a platform we wouldn’t be in the situation.
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