lesley
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Post by lesley on Nov 8, 2024 12:30:15 GMT
I was chatting to my XDH recently about this and he said he wanted to be buried (after he dies 😉) in the town where he was born. This is nearly 700 miles and 14 hours away from where he currently lives. He wouldn’t hear of being cremated and his ashes scattered there instead! He joked that he would state this on his death bed, so that we’d all be guilted into carrying out his wishes. (He thinks. 😄)
But it made me ponder - do you believe families have an obligation to honour a person’s dying wishes, especially if it’s doable but difficult, expensive, etc?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Nov 8, 2024 12:38:16 GMT
His request is unreasonable unless he has provided funds in excess of the estimated cost.
I would tell him NO.
He is your EX, you are not responsible for him alive or dead!
If he wants that he must be cremated to be taken away.
Funerals are just far too expensive today!!!
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Post by disneypal on Nov 8, 2024 12:42:32 GMT
I do think people’s final wishes should be honored. I also believe that if the person knows what they want & it’s complicated and/or expensive, they need to plan & provide the funding.
Their wishes may not be honored if those left behind can’t afford to carry them out. If those left behind can’t financially or physically carry out the final wish, they have no choice but to do the best they can.
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 8, 2024 12:45:42 GMT
I was chatting to my XDH recently about this and he said he wanted to be buried (after he dies 😉) in the town where he was born. This is nearly 700 miles and 14 hours away from where he currently lives. He wouldn’t hear of being cremated and his ashes scattered there instead! He joked that he would state this on his death bed, so that we’d all be guilted into carrying out his wishes. (He thinks. 😄) But it made me ponder - do you believe families have an obligation to honour a person’s dying wishes, especially if it’s doable but difficult, expensive, etc? In this case, I'd tell him he better leave the funds to carry out his wishes or it won't happen. In general, I don't think anyone should feel guilty if they simply can't carry out a dying wish. I'd try, but there are limits.
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Post by guzismom on Nov 8, 2024 12:46:56 GMT
That one is a big ask...and I believe if he feels seriously about it, he should put it in writing and provide the funds to see it through.
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 8, 2024 13:08:36 GMT
If at all possible, I do think they should be honored if they are known.
But as others have said, I believe if you have specific wants upon your death it is up to you to plan and be able to financially provide for it to happen. When someone close to you passes (if you were taking care of their final wishes I would assume you are relatively close to them) it is hard enough, even when expected, so to leave someone to try and make sure that the deceased’s wishes are honored can be overwhelming or just hard.
The other issue is whether to have services, memorials, burials, or some type of event. My father does not want a funeral or anything. My Mother does…she wants at least a mass and service. My mom believes that these are actually for the family and friends left behind. My father does not and really does not like them. They also have already decided where they will be buried, have purchased the plot and stone and all we have left is to follow wishes that are reasonable and spelled out.
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Post by rainangel on Nov 8, 2024 13:18:09 GMT
My boss, who is the king of dad jokes, says he wants his remains to be scattered on his favorite beach. But he does not want to be cremated I suspect his kids won't honor this wish I think I would try to honor a death bed wish as much as I could. But it honestly does depend on the difficulty and expense as you say. You can't make a dying wish to be buried next to Elvis in Graceland, but I could spend a day fulfilling a wish (locally). For instance, personally visit friends and family of the deceased and give them personal items the deceased wanted them to have. But I wouldn't take several days off work to travel to the other side of the country. Money should be set aside for those requests. Besides, I may be cynical, but when you're dead, you're dead. The final resting place is (to me) more for the living loved ones who wants a place to visit. Not that I am a big fan of lying, but if you say you will honor all wishes, they will die knowing their final wishes will happen. What you actually do.... is another thing.... At least you give them comfort and peace of mind in their last days.
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Post by voltagain on Nov 8, 2024 13:30:44 GMT
I was chatting to my XDH recently about this and he said he wanted to be buried (after he dies 😉) in the town where he was born. This is nearly 700 miles and 14 hours away from where he currently lives. He wouldn’t hear of being cremated and his ashes scattered there instead! He joked that he would state this on his death bed, so that we’d all be guilted into carrying out his wishes. (He thinks. 😄) But it made me ponder - do you believe families have an obligation to honour a person’s dying wishes, especially if it’s doable but difficult, expensive, etc? I do not think deathbed wishes hold any obligation. To me it doesn't matter if they are doable but difficult or easy. But if he is expecting me to pay to have him embalmed, his dead body shipped 700 miles and mourners have to pay for hotel/meals out/gas etc just to attend a service he can forget it. Even if he leaves funds to do all that the funds may be better used by the living. My advice to him is he needs to move to his home town immediately. Make it as easy as possible for the remaining family to carry out his preferences. In novels I have never understood the power of the deathbed wishes over the living. If you and he have kids together talk to the kids to teach them how to NOT feel guilty about ignoring deathbed guilting.
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Post by sueg on Nov 8, 2024 13:32:41 GMT
I feel that, within reason and legality, dying wishes should be honoured. Things like burial v cremation, ceremony type (including no service at all) and location, last bequests, I’d do my utmost to fulfill. I also feel that someone making requests that would impose costs - both financial and time - should either provide for these to be covered or accept that their wishes may not be granted.
I currently live half way around the world from my homeland and all my family. Before we left to come here, my older son very seriously sat down with me after dinner one night and asked if we’d thought about arrangements if anything should happen to us. He wanted to know we had the money available to repatriate our bodies for burial back home. I told him at the time that the logical thing to do would be cremation here, then take the ashes back but - at that time - he was not in favour of cremation. I sincerely hope I will get to retire home before the end, so things are a bit easier logistically for our children, but at least we have a plan if that doesn’t happen.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 8, 2024 13:36:10 GMT
Eh. I am really practical about this. I think dying wished should be, as people have said, respected within reason — I hate it when families refuse to let a member be buried with their same-sex partner, eg. But otherwise, I don’t think families should be guilted into spending money they don’t have on things a deceased person wanted, nor do I think families are obligated to honor exactly what the decedent wanted in a funeral/memorial, because those events are for the living.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 8, 2024 14:24:50 GMT
I do think dying wishes should be honored. That being said, if they are difficult/costly, that needs to be taken care of prior to death. In this case, your Ex needs to set aside funds for that now, purchase whatever plot he wants now, etc. You shouldn't have to pay out of your pocket for any of this.
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Post by librarylady on Nov 8, 2024 14:25:28 GMT
Side note to this: DS and his wife are enjoying a week in Hawaii per wishes of the now deceased neighbor. He left $50,000 to cover expenses for those who wanted to attend his ashes being dumped in the Pacific Ocean. Someone in his family has a condo on the big Island, so they have stayed over a week after the service to see Hawaii.
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Post by gillyp on Nov 8, 2024 14:32:32 GMT
My first thought was he needs to move back or set money aside for it. Knowing what someone has asked for as "their dying wish" and being able to carry out said wish are two different things if it puts hardship on the person left behind. imho. Is he pulling your leg?
Just as an aside, you know where I live and where I'll go when I pass (if you remember!). I was told 5-odd years ago that it would cost me £4,000 to make that journey and it's about 1/2 the distance your XDH wants to travel.
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Post by workingclassdog on Nov 8, 2024 14:40:20 GMT
In your case only if he is flipping the bill for it all. That means EVERYTHING.. including whoever is going to have to handle it.. their time and effort.
Honestly to a degree maybe some wishes, but heck we are dead... no controlling what anyone is going to do. I don't have any dying wishes.. just cremate me and be done with it.
I wouldn't mind if my ashes were buried where my grandmother and my mom's side of the family is. Just because it is so beautiful. But I have no intentions in making my family do that.
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Post by atomicdog on Nov 8, 2024 14:40:50 GMT
We were just talking about this! We have a family member who has specific wishes on visitation being 1 hour only, behind glass so that no one can touch his hand or kiss him or anything. His kids are REALLY upset about that - their family is very close and they want to be able to touch his arm and spend some last moments with him. I'm torn - it that's what he wants, well I guess that's what you do. But, for the comfort of family, and he's gone anyway, maybe they could alter that just a bit?? Hard choice to make.
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Post by workingclassdog on Nov 8, 2024 14:45:10 GMT
Side note to this: DS and his wife are enjoying a week in Hawaii per wishes of the now deceased neighbor. He left $50,000 to cover expenses for those who wanted to attend his ashes being dumped in the Pacific Ocean. Someone in his family has a condo on the big Island, so they have stayed over a week after the service to see Hawaii. Now that is a dying wish I am onboard with! Why don't I know these kinds of people! haha.. that is very generous of the neighbor!
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 8, 2024 14:47:36 GMT
Side note to this: DS and his wife are enjoying a week in Hawaii per wishes of the now deceased neighbor. He left $50,000 to cover expenses for those who wanted to attend his ashes being dumped in the Pacific Ocean. Someone in his family has a condo on the big Island, so they have stayed over a week after the service to see Hawaii. A dear friend recently died after a long time "living" with pancreatic cancer. (Eddie always said he wasn't dying of cancer - he was living with it.) He had arranged all the plans for his funeral and several bequests to be announced. There was a visitation at the funeral home one night, an old-fashioned Irish wake the next (rented tent/tables/chairs, live music, catered dinner, open bar at their home), service at the church (bagpipes and Scottish claymore salute) followed by graveside service & burial, and then brunch for all out-of-town guests on the fourth day before heading home. They covered hotel rooms for our three night stay for all of us from out-of-town. The bequests included educational funds for his cousins' children and several all-expenses-paid trips. Twenty-five of us who they identified as their core support group as he lived with cancer are all being sent to Ireland in May together. All paid for. It's the damndest thing I've ever seen. What a truly remarkable man. -------------- So all that to say... If you are asking those left behind to go above and beyond on any of your deathbed wishes, there ought to be consideration that they might not be on board with your plan. A wish is simply a wish. It's not a command. And very, very few people are able to gift all the considerations that our friend Eddie was able to provide. So requiring those left behind to make large expenditures of their own time and money may definitely be deal-breakers for your wishes.
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Post by lainey on Nov 8, 2024 14:49:58 GMT
he wanted to be buried (after he dies 😉) I'm so glad this was clarified
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Post by melanell on Nov 8, 2024 14:56:42 GMT
If he wants that, he needs to do everything in his own power to plan and pay for that ahead of time. He can purchase the plot and make end of life plans for transport ahead of time, paid in advance, and then he can be assured that his wishes will be carried out.
I don't feel he has the right to expect anyone else to plan and fund that themselves, and certainly not his ex-spouse.
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Post by nightnurse on Nov 8, 2024 15:37:20 GMT
If you want to honor a dying wish, do so. If you don’t, don’t bother. The dead person will never know the difference. I am immensely interested in everything that happens to me until my heart stops, then I don’t care at all. Leave me on the body farm to rot, feed me to the wolves, shoot me in to space, I won’t feel it or know about it.
I think people want to be remembered and honored after they die, and while they are alive they want reassurance that will happen.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 8, 2024 16:12:03 GMT
But if he is expecting me to pay to have him embalmed, his dead body shipped 700 miles and mourners have to pay for hotel/meals out/gas etc just to attend a service he can forget it. she said her Ex DH said he wanted to be buried there, not to have the entire funeral etc. there. I don't think destination funerals are a thing like destination weddings, are they? OP, I would do it for him if he had the funds set aside for it and he had made arrangements with the cemetery to purchase a plot.
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Post by ToniW on Nov 8, 2024 16:14:07 GMT
My brother suddenly passed away last week. One of his wishes (directions left with the church) was to have the choir sing, which would have cost over $3K and that was with a discount. Fortunately, he had strong ties with the church, so that's how we got the discount and his estate will cover the cost. Otherwise, we could never have afforded it or honored his wish.
So yes, we are honoring his wishes the best we can. Still waiting to get the will, so we'll go from there.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 8, 2024 16:16:25 GMT
I do think people’s final wishes should be honored. I also believe that if the person knows what they want & it’s complicated and/or expensive, they need to plan & provide the funding. Their wishes may not be honored if those left behind can’t afford to carry them out. If those left behind can’t financially or physically carry out the final wish, they have no choice but to do the best they can. I totally agree with all of this. If you want something specific, you better set that money aside in your will to pay for it. Funerals are so expensive. If you want an elaborate funeral service, then you need to pre-plan and pay for your own service.
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 8, 2024 16:17:23 GMT
My brother suddenly passed away last week. One of his wishes (directions left with the church) was to have the choir sing, which would have cost over $3K and that was with a discount. Fortunately, he had strong ties with the church, so that's how we got the discount and his estate will cover the cost. Otherwise, we could never have afforded it or honored his wish.
So yes, we are honoring his wishes the best we can. Still waiting to get the will, so we'll go from there.
I'm so sorry for your loss. Losing a sibling is so hard. Wishing you and your family love and light as you all grieve.
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Post by gillyp on Nov 8, 2024 16:19:13 GMT
But if he is expecting me to pay to have him embalmed, his dead body shipped 700 miles and mourners have to pay for hotel/meals out/gas etc just to attend a service he can forget it. she said her Ex DH said he wanted to be buried there, not to have the entire funeral etc. there. I don't think destination funerals are a thing like destination weddings, are they?OP, I would do it for him if he had the funds set aside for it and he had made arrangements with the cemetery to purchase a plot. This is the second time I've choked at this thread! Destination funeral! They would be the start of some dark jokes!
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Post by pilcas on Nov 8, 2024 16:22:24 GMT
I am happy to be cremated and my ashes can be buried in the backyard for all I care. I rather my money be used by my kids for a vacation than to be given to some funeral home for some fancy casket. A religious service absolutely not wanted.
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Post by voltagain on Nov 8, 2024 16:31:36 GMT
But if he is expecting me to pay to have him embalmed, his dead body shipped 700 miles and mourners have to pay for hotel/meals out/gas etc just to attend a service he can forget it. she said her Ex DH said he wanted to be buried there, not to have the entire funeral etc. there. I don't think destination funerals are a thing like destination weddings, are they? OP, I would do it for him if he had the funds set aside for it and he had made arrangements with the cemetery to purchase a plot. I have never heard it called a destination funeral although often it is a destination for some family members such as when my dad died in 2020. it was a destination funeral for me (2 hours away) and two of my three adultkids went to Oklahoma from Missouri and Oregon. The one living in South Africa couldn't get a flight due to covid restrictions in place. But I also have never heard of just burying someone unless they are a "John Doe" with no known family/friends. Even if the person doesn't want a service there is often a few minutes to acknowledge who the deceased was and the grief of the family. If the ex feels like he can guilt family into a long distance shipping of his body I assume he expects those same loved ones to see him being buried. But maybe my assumption is off. eta: Fedex doesn't just drop a casket into a hole in a grave yard.
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Post by 950nancy on Nov 8, 2024 18:17:02 GMT
I agree with most responses. If it is agreed upon with spouses or a family member, then yes, you should do it if it is feasible. No money or time or other complications? Then no, it won't happen.
I told my kids I wanted them to cremate me and go back to every international vacation spot we've been. Thought it would give them a good excuse to have a great vacation. Is it possible? No.
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Post by littlemama on Nov 8, 2024 18:32:15 GMT
In this case, he should make sure all the arrangements are made and it is all paid for. He should also understand that most people will not attend the funeral/burial
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Post by Laurie on Nov 8, 2024 18:36:15 GMT
If they are doable yes.
When my sister-in-laws father passed away he had some specific requests like people not dressing up for it, no longer than an hour,etc. one of the requests was that there not be a video of pictures. The family requested all of the wishes except that one (it was split on honoring it). So one of the daughters made a video and when she went to play the video it would not work. It worked before and it was working on her device but it was not working to be played on the TV in the reception hall. We joked that he got his wish after all.
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