ashley
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Post by ashley on Feb 13, 2025 18:30:49 GMT
Interesting how an elected official is judged for making $200k/year but I’m not seeing judgment for Musk awarding himself hundreds of millions of dollars in Tesla contracts. (I don’t think 200k/year is a gross amount of money to make in a year). I think what she meant is that they're making themselves multimillionaires because of the legislation, et. al that they pass, stock deals that they make, etc. They're enriching themselves VIA their office, not from their salary. ah. So the same standard that Elon is currently carrying out for himself. Now I understand.  classic Trump follower double standard.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 18:31:03 GMT
I've been following. They keep saying they are exposing stuff, but they aren't SHOWING the proof. Like USAID. They said it's corrupt and wasting.... but WHAT? Show examples! They said there would be transparency... but I haven't seen it and I don't take anyone's "trust me" as proof. I want to see the actual details. You know, like the actual GAO would have to do, being a true govt agency and all... Go to DOGE.gov. The receipts are there. No. They're not. You've been duped again. The whole website - which wasn't even live until a day or two ago - is nothing but a long list of tweets with propaganda claims. No receipts. Just "trust me, bro."
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 18:32:41 GMT
Did you read the article? It isn't about electric vehicles. It's about the potential for massive layoffs at Ford because Trump's tariffs are already causing havoc in the auto industry. Is that winning? I guess we will see. I don't know if that is winning or losing yet because its all speculation. Um, it doesn't take a genius to see that mass layoffs and spiking unemployment is losing.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 13, 2025 18:33:20 GMT
Trump Fragrances — Success by Trump, Empire by Trump, and Donald Trump: The Fragrances ^^^ this one means something ENTIRELY different now. Although 'fragrance' may not be the correct word.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 18:34:25 GMT
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 18:38:35 GMT
Go to DOGE.gov. The receipts are there. None of that is actual receipts. None of that has been verified. We just have Musk's word. None of that is actual receipts.
Says who? None of that has been verified.It's in the process. All audits take some time We just have Musk's word.Who else's word do you think it should be? Musk is running the audits
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 18:40:24 GMT
I think what she meant is that they're making themselves multimillionaires because of the legislation, et. al that they pass, stock deals that they make, etc. They're enriching themselves VIA their office, not from their salary. ah. So the same standard that Elon is currently carrying out for himself. Now I understand.  classic Trump follower double standard. Musk runs several businesses. He isn't making millions on a salary of 200K of taxpayer's money. There is no comparison.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 18:41:19 GMT
I guess we will see. I don't know if that is winning or losing yet because its all speculation. Um, it doesn't take a genius to see that mass layoffs and spiking unemployment is losing. Has that happened yet? It's not a given.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 13, 2025 18:54:46 GMT
None of that is actual receipts.
Says who? says TRUTH. And FACTS. EVIDENCE is a word that means something SPECIFIC.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 13, 2025 18:55:15 GMT
Go to DOGE.gov. The receipts are there. None of that is actual receipts. None of that has been verified. We just have Musk's word. That was my point. It's an X feed of his opinions. 
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Post by maryannscraps on Feb 13, 2025 18:56:20 GMT
Methinks someone doesn’t know how actual evidence (i.e. receipts) works. A bunch of tweets in a file doesn’t count.
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Post by Chips on Feb 13, 2025 18:57:53 GMT
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 18:58:43 GMT
Go to DOGE.gov. The receipts are there. No. They're not. You've been duped again. The whole website - which wasn't even live until a day or two ago - is nothing but a long list of tweets with propaganda claims. No receipts. Just "trust me, bro." Again, this is still in the audit process. There will be complete transparency. Frankly, I am astounded that the democrats are not in favor of cutting unnecessary government spending. Do we really need to be spending 20 million on Sesame Street in Iraq or millions of dollars on gender affirming care in Guatemala? No we don't. Not when we have starving children and senior citizens and homeless vets in our own country. I am all about charity to other countries but not until every last man woman and child in the United States have their needs met. With MY taxpayer money.
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Post by ashley on Feb 13, 2025 19:02:28 GMT
No. They're not. You've been duped again. The whole website - which wasn't even live until a day or two ago - is nothing but a long list of tweets with propaganda claims. No receipts. Just "trust me, bro." Again, this is still in the audit process. There will be complete transparency. Frankly, I am astounded that the democrats are not in favor of cutting unnecessary government spending. Do we really need to be spending 20 million on Sesame Street in Iraq or millions of dollars on gender affirming care in Guatemala? No we don't. Not when we have starving children and senior citizens and homeless vets in our own country. I am all about charity to other countries but not until every last man woman and child in the United States have their needs met. With MY taxpayer money. You keep saying this over and over. Yet I’ve not seen one single suggestion from the president, or any report anywhere, that any of this money is going to help hungry struggling Americans. Why do you believe this money is going to be rerouted to help Americans? Where has anyone laid out a plan for redirecting this money?
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 19:06:21 GMT
No. They're not. You've been duped again. The whole website - which wasn't even live until a day or two ago - is nothing but a long list of tweets with propaganda claims. No receipts. Just "trust me, bro." Again, this is still in the audit process. There will be complete transparency. Frankly, I am astounded that the democrats are not in favor of cutting unnecessary government spending. Do we really need to be spending 20 million on Sesame Street in Iraq or millions of dollars on gender affirming care in Guatemala? No we don't. Not when we have starving children and senior citizens and homeless vets in our own country. I am all about charity to other countries but not until every last man woman and child in the United States have their needs met. With MY taxpayer money. Neither of those things is happening, though. Some future promise of "transparency" isn't enough. Our budget deserves careful and thoughtful review, not one man with no experience in domestic or foreign policy charging through like a bull in a china shop destroying everything. Yes, I'm in favor of cutting unnecessary spending. I just don't choose to define "unnecessary" as "programs that help people I don't like" or "things I don't understand and don't care to learn about." And let's not pretend that your side has ever given a crap about starving children or homeless vets here in the US. You have yet to pass or even propose a single policy that would help those groups - in fact, you delight in cutting programs designed to help those groups and calling it "waste." The only thing Elon wants is to eliminate taxes for the wealthy. He has no interest in helping starving kids. He could singlehandedly end food insecurity in the US tomorrow, with his own money, and never feel the loss of it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 13, 2025 19:07:53 GMT
Trump Fragrances — Success by Trump, Empire by Trump, and Donald Trump: The Fragrances ^^^ this one means something ENTIRELY different now. Although 'fragrance' may not be the correct word. Ah. I will avoid. I heard that one is called Old Fart, so that’s a no for me.
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 13, 2025 19:08:15 GMT
Trumpers really are ignorant. I wonder how they will feel if they ever realized that they have been conned by him? How many Trumpers are on Medicaid, or have a child in a title 1 school that depends on Dept of Education funding to keep it running? Wait and see what happens once they realize that is on the chopping block on the Republican budget. $880 billion in cuts from Medicaid. That's the entire Medicaid budget! Better make room in your home for Grandma because Medicaid funding most likely pays for her nursing home.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 19:09:35 GMT
Trumpers really are ignorant. I wonder how they will feel if they ever realized that they have been conned by him? How many Trumpers are on Medicaid, or have a child in a title 1 school that depends on Dept of Education funding to keep it running? Wait and see what happens once they realize that is on the chopping block on the Republican budget. $880 billion in cuts from Medicaid. That's the entire Medicaid budget! Better make room in your home for Grandma because Medicaid funding most likely pays for her nursing home. The US they envision will include a SAHM in every household whose job it is to care for grandma and any kids with special needs all her life. No more women in the workforce.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 19:10:20 GMT
Again, this is still in the audit process. There will be complete transparency. Frankly, I am astounded that the democrats are not in favor of cutting unnecessary government spending. Do we really need to be spending 20 million on Sesame Street in Iraq or millions of dollars on gender affirming care in Guatemala? No we don't. Not when we have starving children and senior citizens and homeless vets in our own country. I am all about charity to other countries but not until every last man woman and child in the United States have their needs met. With MY taxpayer money. You keep saying this over and over. Yet I’ve not seen one single suggestion from the president, or any report anywhere, that any of this money is going to help hungry struggling Americans. Why do you believe this money is going to be rerouted to help Americans? Where has anyone laid out a plan for redirecting this money? That is my point. Why is it going to other countries before our own people are taken care of. If it was not going to other countries, there would be more for our countries residents. I agree with you though, there needs to be a plan. At least they got back the 59 million in fema money that was going to house illegals in luxury hotels in new york. That money should be immediately redirected to starving kids and veterans as well as the displaced in North Carolina and Cali.
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Post by hopemax on Feb 13, 2025 19:10:34 GMT
Um, it doesn't take a genius to see that mass layoffs and spiking unemployment is losing. Has that happened yet? It's not a given. Consequences take time. During the Great Recession unemployment rose from 5% to a max of 10% October 2009. Lehman Brothers collapse occurred in September 2008, which is when everyone started paying attention, McCain suspended campaigning etc. although the indicators were there in 2007. However, removing billions of dollars from an economy in a short time span has predictable effects. When consumers pull back, everyone freaks out. Changing the source, won’t change the freak out. So yeah, actually it is a given unless legal challenges succeed or they walk back the cuts. But it’s going to take more than 3 weeks. This is a pretty cool representation of Global trade during the Great Depression. Notice it didn’t collapse all at once. Just a spiral, down, down, down.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 19:11:37 GMT
Again, this is still in the audit process. There will be complete transparency. Frankly, I am astounded that the democrats are not in favor of cutting unnecessary government spending. Do we really need to be spending 20 million on Sesame Street in Iraq or millions of dollars on gender affirming care in Guatemala? No we don't. Not when we have starving children and senior citizens and homeless vets in our own country. I am all about charity to other countries but not until every last man woman and child in the United States have their needs met. With MY taxpayer money. Neither of those things is happening, though. Some future promise of "transparency" isn't enough. Our budget deserves careful and thoughtful review, not one man with no experience in domestic or foreign policy charging through like a bull in a china shop destroying everything. Yes, I'm in favor of cutting unnecessary spending. I just don't choose to define "unnecessary" as "programs that help people I don't like" or "things I don't understand and don't care to learn about." And let's not pretend that your side has ever given a crap about starving children or homeless vets here in the US. You have yet to pass or even propose a single policy that would help those groups - in fact, you delight in cutting programs designed to help those groups and calling it "waste."
The only thing Elon wants is to eliminate taxes for the wealthy. He has no interest in helping starving kids. He could singlehandedly end food insecurity in the US tomorrow, with his own money, and never feel the loss of it. That's all bullshit and you know it.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 19:11:42 GMT
You keep saying this over and over. Yet I’ve not seen one single suggestion from the president, or any report anywhere, that any of this money is going to help hungry struggling Americans. Why do you believe this money is going to be rerouted to help Americans? Where has anyone laid out a plan for redirecting this money? That is my point. Why is it going to other countries before our own people are taken care of. If it was not going to other countries, there would be more for our countries residents. I agree with you though, there needs to be a plan. At least they got back the 59 million in fema money that was going to house illegals in luxury hotels in new york. That money should be immediately redirected to starving kids and veterans as well as the displaced in North Carolina and Cali. You realize that it won't be, though, right? It will be redirected to tax cuts for billionaires.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 13, 2025 19:13:17 GMT
Again, this is still in the audit process. There will be complete transparency. Frankly, I am astounded that the democrats are not in favor of cutting unnecessary government spending. Do we really need to be spending 20 million on Sesame Street in Iraq or millions of dollars on gender affirming care in Guatemala? No we don't. Not when we have starving children and senior citizens and homeless vets in our own country. I am all about charity to other countries but not until every last man woman and child in the United States have their needs met. With MY taxpayer money. Neither of those things is happening, though. Some future promise of "transparency" isn't enough. Our budget deserves careful and thoughtful review, not one man with no experience in domestic or foreign policy charging through like a bull in a china shop destroying everything. Yes, I'm in favor of cutting unnecessary spending. I just don't choose to define "unnecessary" as "programs that help people I don't like." And let's not pretend that your side has ever given a crap about starving children or homeless vets here in the US. You have yet to pass or even propose a single policy that would help those groups - in fact, you delight in cutting programs designed to help those groups and calling it "waste." The only thing Elon wants is to eliminate taxes for the wealthy. He has no interest in helping starving kids. He could singlehandedly end food insecurity in the US tomorrow, with his own money, and never feel the loss of it. This; he is not an auditor. He lacks familiarity with the programs that he’s cutting. And he is certainly not a foreign policy expert. He’s cutting programs that he and Trump don’t like. I don’t want teenagers and a ketamine-addled narcissist deciding what programs or employees have value. It’s ridiculous.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 19:14:07 GMT
Neither of those things is happening, though. Some future promise of "transparency" isn't enough. Our budget deserves careful and thoughtful review, not one man with no experience in domestic or foreign policy charging through like a bull in a china shop destroying everything. Yes, I'm in favor of cutting unnecessary spending. I just don't choose to define "unnecessary" as "programs that help people I don't like" or "things I don't understand and don't care to learn about." And let's not pretend that your side has ever given a crap about starving children or homeless vets here in the US. You have yet to pass or even propose a single policy that would help those groups - in fact, you delight in cutting programs designed to help those groups and calling it "waste."
The only thing Elon wants is to eliminate taxes for the wealthy. He has no interest in helping starving kids. He could singlehandedly end food insecurity in the US tomorrow, with his own money, and never feel the loss of it. That's all bullshit and you know it. I absolutely don't know it. Please show receipts - a single Republican-sponsored bill to feed the hungry in the last ten years will do. And Elon, despite being the world's wealthiest man, ranks nowhere even in the top 25 for philanthropic contributions. Please tell me more about how he cares about the little people. He literally has the power to end hunger and homelessness in the US all by himself, but has never lifted a finger to do so.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 19:14:11 GMT
Has that happened yet? It's not a given. Consequences take time. During the Great Recession unemployment rose from 5% to a max of 10% October 2009. Lehman Brothers collapse occurred in September 2008, which is when everyone started paying attention, McCain suspended campaigning etc. although the indicators were there in 2007. However, removing billions of dollars from an economy in a short time span has predictable effects. When consumers pull back, everyone freaks out. Changing the source, won’t change the freak out. So yeah, actually it is a given unless legal challenges succeed or they walk back the cuts. But it’s going to take more than 3 weeks. This is a pretty cool representation of Global trade during the Great Depression. Notice it didn’t collapse all at once. Just a spiral, down, down, down. Getting back billions from unnecessary spending/grants/usaid to foreign countries will be extremely helpful in funding these sorts of things.
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Post by cindosha on Feb 13, 2025 19:14:51 GMT
That is my point. Why is it going to other countries before our own people are taken care of. If it was not going to other countries, there would be more for our countries residents. I agree with you though, there needs to be a plan. At least they got back the 59 million in fema money that was going to house illegals in luxury hotels in new york. That money should be immediately redirected to starving kids and veterans as well as the displaced in North Carolina and Cali. You realize that it won't be, though, right? It will be redirected to tax cuts for billionaires. And you know this for a fact, how exactly?
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 19:18:36 GMT
You realize that it won't be, though, right? It will be redirected to tax cuts for billionaires. And you know this for a fact, how exactly? Because Trump's signature tax cuts in his first term were designed to benefit the wealthy most of all. And when he showed us who he was the first time, I believed him. Remember that the poor and hungry generally don't benefit from tax cuts at all because they don't make enough to pay income taxes. Their kids benefit from programs like WIC and from free school lunches, both of which your side is making efforts to cut.
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Post by Merge on Feb 13, 2025 19:21:10 GMT
Consequences take time. During the Great Recession unemployment rose from 5% to a max of 10% October 2009. Lehman Brothers collapse occurred in September 2008, which is when everyone started paying attention, McCain suspended campaigning etc. although the indicators were there in 2007. However, removing billions of dollars from an economy in a short time span has predictable effects. When consumers pull back, everyone freaks out. Changing the source, won’t change the freak out. So yeah, actually it is a given unless legal challenges succeed or they walk back the cuts. But it’s going to take more than 3 weeks. This is a pretty cool representation of Global trade during the Great Depression. Notice it didn’t collapse all at once. Just a spiral, down, down, down. Getting back billions from unnecessary spending/grants/usaid to foreign countries will be extremely helpful in funding these sorts of things. Tell me, why do you think the US sends aid (less than 1% of our federal budget, BTW) to foreign countries?
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Post by hopemax on Feb 13, 2025 19:23:07 GMT
Consequences take time. During the Great Recession unemployment rose from 5% to a max of 10% October 2009. Lehman Brothers collapse occurred in September 2008, which is when everyone started paying attention, McCain suspended campaigning etc. although the indicators were there in 2007. However, removing billions of dollars from an economy in a short time span has predictable effects. When consumers pull back, everyone freaks out. Changing the source, won’t change the freak out. So yeah, actually it is a given unless legal challenges succeed or they walk back the cuts. But it’s going to take more than 3 weeks. This is a pretty cool representation of Global trade during the Great Depression. Notice it didn’t collapse all at once. Just a spiral, down, down, down. Getting back billions from unnecessary spending/grants/usaid to foreign countries will be extremely helpful in funding these sorts of things. *Money* doesn’t go to foreign countries. Food grown by US farmers, transported by US long haul truckers, loaded in US ports on US airplanes and ships is where the *money* goes. Foreign countries get the end product, the corn, soybeans, etc. Which are currently rotting in warehouses to the tune of a half billion dollars. Ditto for medicine that was researched in US labs, employing US workers not just as researchers but people who keep a facility functioning like secretaries, janitors, maintenance staff, etc. Not describing this for you, but for everyone else that hasn’t quite really understood who gets money vs something else. You are clearly trolling or a lost cause.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Feb 13, 2025 19:24:27 GMT
Again, this is still in the audit process. There will be complete transparency. Frankly, I am astounded that the democrats are not in favor of cutting unnecessary government spending. Do we really need to be spending 20 million on Sesame Street in Iraq or millions of dollars on gender affirming care in Guatemala? No we don't. Not when we have starving children and senior citizens and homeless vets in our own country. I am all about charity to other countries but not until every last man woman and child in the United States have their needs met. With MY taxpayer money. You keep saying this over and over. Yet I’ve not seen one single suggestion from the president, or any report anywhere, that any of this money is going to help hungry struggling Americans. Why do you believe this money is going to be rerouted to help Americans? Where has anyone laid out a plan for redirecting this money? Exactly isn’t he cutting SNAP and Medicare?
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