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Post by huskergal on Mar 5, 2025 16:12:23 GMT
Musk said that the fundamental weakness of western civilization is empathy.
Agree or disagree?
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Post by Tearisci on Mar 5, 2025 16:29:40 GMT
Strongly disagree but it's not surprising coming from him. He and his ilk wouldn't know empathy if it slapped them upside the head!
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 5, 2025 16:34:53 GMT
Ever since that bishop called for empathy, apparently these folks have decided that empathy is a sin and bad.
Why can’t people see that these amoral men want to make amorality into a virtue, valorizing greed and selfishness in order to bootstrap themselves into being virtuous men?
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Post by airforcemomof1 on Mar 5, 2025 16:35:09 GMT
Disagree! If I did think that I wouldn’t be stupid enough to say it out loud.
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Post by sueg on Mar 5, 2025 16:43:57 GMT
I strongly disagree. In fact, I feel that empathy is one of the most important things for community and civilisation. How can you be considered civilised if you don’t care about others and how they feel.
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Post by Merge on Mar 5, 2025 16:49:38 GMT
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Post by Sarah*H on Mar 5, 2025 16:53:00 GMT
I'm pretty certain that empathy is one of the hallmarks of civilization. I'm certain a technofascist isn't capable of understanding the connection though.
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Post by mom on Mar 5, 2025 16:53:07 GMT
So this is his whole quote:
“Gad Saad talks about suicidal empathy. There's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. We've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on.
I believe in empathy. I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide.
The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit.
I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot. Weaponized empathy is the issue.”
The Joe Rogan Experience, February 28, 2025
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The part bolded is mine - but I agree with that part.
Is it a weakness? I don't think so. But I do see that some can be so empathetic that it means they take themselves down at the same time.
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Post by Tearisci on Mar 5, 2025 16:54:50 GMT
Empathy = Woke in their eyes and we all know how they feel about that.
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Post by huskergal on Mar 5, 2025 16:54:50 GMT
Lack of empathy is what allows things like slavery, colonization, and the Holocaust occur. Once you can remove empathy, you can view people as less than human. It is truly frightening. What is happening right now is frightening.
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Post by Zee on Mar 5, 2025 17:32:54 GMT
He's a broken human, so, I don't really care what he thinks.
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Post by busy on Mar 5, 2025 17:34:19 GMT
What, pray tell, is "weaponized empathy?"
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Post by Zee on Mar 5, 2025 17:35:37 GMT
So this is his whole quote: “Gad Saad talks about suicidal empathy. There's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. We've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. I believe in empathy. I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide. The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot. Weaponized empathy is the issue.”The Joe Rogan Experience, February 28, 2025 _________________________________________________________- The part bolded is mine - but I agree with that part. Is it a weakness? I don't think so. But I do see that some can be so empathetic that it means they take themselves down at the same time. Wish I would have seen this first. That's totally true. |
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Mar 5, 2025 17:35:43 GMT
Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of another person. I don't think Trump OR Musk have it. Look how they treat their own families, let alone the citizens of this country.
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Post by Merge on Mar 5, 2025 17:37:54 GMT
So this is his whole quote: “Gad Saad talks about suicidal empathy. There's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. We've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. I believe in empathy. I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide. The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot. Weaponized empathy is the issue.”The Joe Rogan Experience, February 28, 2025 _________________________________________________________- The part bolded is mine - but I agree with that part. Is it a weakness? I don't think so. But I do see that some can be so empathetic that it means they take themselves down at the same time. Thanks for the context. I don't think it really changes what he said, though - it's clear based on his past words/actions that when he says civilizational empathy and civilizational suicide, he's talking about having empathy only for people who look like you and/or live in your country.
Those "others" aren't deserving, and if you empathize with them, it's to the detriment of your own society in his mind. I can't agree with that. It's another euphemism for white nationalism. |
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Post by peano on Mar 5, 2025 17:45:49 GMT
So this is his whole quote: “Gad Saad talks about suicidal empathy. There's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. We've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. I believe in empathy. I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide. The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot. Weaponized empathy is the issue.”The Joe Rogan Experience, February 28, 2025 _________________________________________________________- The part bolded is mine - but I agree with that part. Is it a weakness? I don't think so. But I do see that some can be so empathetic that it means they take themselves down at the same time. I don't know how others experience empathy, but for me, it's an instantaneous feeling, with no thought involved at the time of the feeling. Musk wouldn't know a feeling if it punched him in the face--he's all thought (most of them repugnant). As far as your statement that I bolded, you're describing empathy without boundaries. People need to work on boundaries. Empathy is just a human emotion like joy or sadness. There's no working on those. They just are. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 5, 2025 17:50:01 GMT
So this is his whole quote: “Gad Saad talks about suicidal empathy. There's so much empathy that you actually suicide yourself. We've got civilizational suicidal empathy going on. I believe in empathy. I think you should care about other people, but you need to have empathy for civilization as a whole and not commit to a civilizational suicide. The fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy. The empathy exploit. I think empathy is good, but you need to think it through and not just be programmed like a robot. Weaponized empathy is the issue.”The Joe Rogan Experience, February 28, 2025 _________________________________________________________- The part bolded is mine - but I agree with that part. Is it a weakness? I don't think so. But I do see that some can be so empathetic that it means they take themselves down at the same time. Thank you for posting the whole quote, I think it is important to read it entirely. I still think EM is a POS, and his thoughts are not good, but this seemed less horrible. |
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Post by valincal on Mar 5, 2025 17:50:33 GMT
Some fundie wrote a book called Toxic Empathy. She’s a horrible person and that’s just another justification IMO for being horrible to people you don’t like i.e. transgender folks, POC, BLM, etc..
The synopsis
“A sharp Christian voice makes a bold argument: when politics are driven by empathy rather than truth, innocent people pay the price.”
Gross.
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Post by Tearisci on Mar 5, 2025 18:01:25 GMT
My ex was a narcissist and really the only thing different from him is that he could be charming but he had very strong sociopathic tendencies. He could fake empathy to fit in but as I learned, it wasn't genuine. Musk and Trump don't care about the charming. They have no soul. |
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Post by busy on Mar 5, 2025 18:08:52 GMT
Seriously, what is "weaponized empathy" supposed to mean and how does that make his comments better? I'd love to hear some examples of this supposed phenomenon from Musk because I suspect they would actually just be excuses why the groups of people he deems unworthy or lesser than don't deserve empathy.
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Post by flanz on Mar 5, 2025 18:11:26 GMT
I strongly disagree. In fact, I feel that empathy is one of the most important things for community and civilisation. How can you be considered civilised if you don’t care about others and how they feel. A basic of being a decent human, right??? |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 5, 2025 18:24:27 GMT
I’m not one bit surprised that he would say that. I think that the opposite is true. Empathy is a good thing, not a weakness.
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Post by scrappinmama on Mar 5, 2025 18:26:20 GMT
Empathy is one of the most important characteristics in someone with any integrity. So of course, Elon sees it as a weakness. And before anyone uses the autism excuse, my two sons are autistic and are both empathetic. They care deeply about other people. Both walked out of the Holocaust Museum deeply moved by what people experienced during WWII. So yes, autistic people can and do feel empathy.
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Post by Merge on Mar 5, 2025 18:33:19 GMT
Empathy is one of the most important characteristics in someone with any integrity. So of course, Elon sees it as a weakness. And before anyone uses the autism excuse, my two sons are autistic and are both empathetic. They care deeply about other people. Both walked out of the Holocaust Museum deeply moved by what people experienced during WWII. So yes, autistic people can and do feel empathy. Autistic people often have a strong sense of justice, which is driven by empathy. Elon doesn’t have that. |
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Post by peano on Mar 5, 2025 18:38:24 GMT
Some fundie wrote a book called Toxic Empathy. She’s a horrible person and that’s just another justification IMO for being horrible to people you don’t like i.e. transgender folks, POC, BLM, etc.. The synopsis “A sharp Christian voice makes a bold argument: when politics are driven by empathy rather than truth, innocent people pay the price.” Gross. Sounds like people are really confused about what empathy is. Empathy is a feeling. You can't place value judgements on feelings--they just are. To make empathy the opposite of truth is a fallacy. |
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Mar 5, 2025 18:38:59 GMT
I think they are using the term "empathy" wrong.
Empathy= the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
Pathos= rhetoric of emotion used to persuade---this can absolutely be manipulation and misused. Trump used all kinds of pathos last night in his speech to try and manipulate the audience.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 5, 2025 18:59:08 GMT
Lack of empathy is a trait of narcissistic personality disorder.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Mar 5, 2025 19:04:05 GMT
Strongly disagree but it's not surprising coming from him. He and his ilk wouldn't know empathy if it slapped them upside the head! ^^^ THIS. eta: I googled Gad Saad, and he seems like a MAGA-ish professor, to me... the essay that came up in my search is full of crap about how 'ideologically parasitic ideas' have ruined our society - i.e., made us 'too woke.' "how the rights of a minuscule minority of trans women (i.e., biological males) trample the rights of actual women in athletic competitions. It is how illegal migrants end up receiving greater U.S. aid than American veterans or American victims of natural disasters."
"The victory of Donald Trump on November 5, 2024, is an unequivocal repudiation of the ideological parasites that have wreaked havoc on our societies."THIS tells me everything I need to know about that guy's ideas. |
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Post by luckyjune on Mar 5, 2025 19:15:27 GMT
Spoken like someone with a stone-cold soul. No wonder he and Trump found each other.
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Post by lindas on Mar 6, 2025 1:48:37 GMT
Did the democrats display any empathy for JD Daniel or the families of Laken Riley or Jocelyn Nungaray? No they did not and I can only imagine how that made them feel. You need to look at your own side of the aisle before condemning the other.
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