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Post by grinningcat on Jan 14, 2015 13:26:17 GMT
I would agree with most others that its just not a great shirt for school. My DD has a shirt that says "I Shoot People" and it has a picture of a camera on it. Photography is her hobby and a class she takes at school. She doesn't wear it to school. It's just not appropriate. Really?  There is nothing wrong with that shirt. People are way too sensitive. I have to agree. There is NOTHING inappropriate with that shirt. Nothing. People are so bloody sensitive these days. Can we get the pendulum back to the middle please instead of at the extreme? As for the OP? Meh. I can't see any of the teachers I know getting their knickers in a knot about it. But they would also see the context behind it. I want a shirt like that to wear to my corporate office. That would be fun! But I'm a bit of a rabble rouser that way. |
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Post by jenb72 on Jan 14, 2015 13:26:36 GMT
i said if he wanted to be a ninja, i would consider it but there is no way he was going to be "someone who kills people" as a halloween costume. Ninjas don't kill people? |
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Post by jenb72 on Jan 14, 2015 13:28:31 GMT
I'll be the only person to say that I wouldn't have thought the shirt inappropriate if one of my students had shown up with it on. I see it as snark and not violent. However, I would not be upset if the school asked my kid not to wear it. You're not the only one. I don't have any problem with the shirt and wouldn't if I saw it on a kid at my DS's school (he's also 12 - 8th grade). |
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Post by katieanna on Jan 14, 2015 13:34:19 GMT
I also don't know the reference but I think anything mentioning assassins in a school setting might be taken the wrong way. I'm time-limited here so haven't read through the whole thread. But I agree with the statement above which was my first impression of what you said was printed on your DD's t-shirt. |
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Post by threegirls on Jan 14, 2015 13:56:45 GMT
I wouldn't let my daughter wear it to school (although I see the humor). Reason #549 for liking school uniforms; no wondering if something is appropriate for school.
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 14, 2015 14:29:48 GMT
It's pretty safe to say it wouldn't fly at DD middle school. She wore one of my vintage Guns & Roses t shirts to school one day. There are no guns printed on the shirt, just a skull with roses growing out of it, and the band name above the skull. She got "busted" by a hall monitor, and had to wear a shirt of shame the rest of the day. They are mens size 3XL neon orange t shirts, that have I GOT DRESS CODED printed all over them. She told the "fashion police", as the kids call them, that Guns did not reference weapons, but one of the founding members of the band, Tracii Guns. That got her a trip to the principal. Principal said he was impressed with her musical knowledge, and that she was, in fact, correct about Tracii Guns, but there was just no wiggle room in the dress code for any weapon, violence, drug or sexual references, even unintentionally. I guess they would have to tar and feather the poor man that dared to come on campus wearing a name tag that said Dick Lastname.  I think the saying on your DD shirt is cute, and I often think it on Monday mornings when I get to work, but it might not be the best choice for school.  Love the idea of the neon orange tshirt with the violation printed on it!  |
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Post by chedanemi on Jan 14, 2015 14:30:24 GMT
When our daughter was younger, she had a shirt with a picture of a bowl and spoons crossed in an X. It said "Cereal Killer". She wore it to school once and was told not to wear it again. I agree there needs to be standards for dress in school, but really thought banning this shirt was taking it a bit too far!
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Post by Country Ham on Jan 14, 2015 14:33:25 GMT
Really? There is nothing wrong with that shirt. People are way too sensitive. I have to agree. There is NOTHING inappropriate with that shirt. Nothing. People are so bloody sensitive these days. Can we get the pendulum back to the middle please instead of at the extreme? As for the OP? Meh. I can't see any of the teachers I know getting their knickers in a knot about it. But they would also see the context behind it. I want a shirt like that to wear to my corporate office. That would be fun! But I'm a bit of a rabble rouser that way.
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Post by tuva42 on Jan 14, 2015 15:12:33 GMT
I have to agree. There is NOTHING inappropriate with that shirt. Nothing. People are so bloody sensitive these days. Can we get the pendulum back to the middle please instead of at the extreme? As for the OP? Meh. I can't see any of the teachers I know getting their knickers in a knot about it. But they would also see the context behind it. I want a shirt like that to wear to my corporate office. That would be fun! But I'm a bit of a rabble rouser that way.
Absolutely. My DD knows that the administration at her school wouldn't like the shirt, so she just doesn't wear it at school. And its not a problem for her. She's growing up in a time when gun violence is entering our schools and she is sensitive to that. |
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Post by grinningcat on Jan 14, 2015 15:21:55 GMT
The whole point of these shirts is the double entendre. It's what makes them appealing in the first place. Then when folks question the double entendre meaning people claim they are too sensitive. People wear them for the hidden meanings and the attention they get from it.
Absolutely. My DD knows that the administration at her school wouldn't like the shirt, so she just doesn't wear it at school. And its not a problem for her. She's growing up in a time when gun violence is entering our schools and she is sensitive to that. I am absolutely aware of the double entendre. You'd have to be stupid to not see that. Again, I think people are way too sensitive about these things. Photographers are shooters but get harrassed for saying things like "I'm shooting babies this weekend." Really? People actually think that someone is going to go shoot babies with a gun and admit it? I just think there's a lack of common sense when it comes to a lot of this stuff. Just think for a couple minutes before reacting over nothing. And yes, I totally understand that school shootings are a thing now, this doesn't negate that. I just think a little more thought process needs to come into play. |
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Post by missmiss on Jan 14, 2015 15:36:35 GMT
As a teacher I would have laughed at the shirt and kept moving.
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Post by MerryMom on Jan 14, 2015 15:40:18 GMT
I don't think it's a matter of people being "so sensitive these days". I graduated from high school in 1980 and even back then, no student would have been allowed to wear that shirt to my school. You would have to wear the shirt inside out for the rest of the day or be sent home via discipline.
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Post by momof3pits on Jan 14, 2015 15:50:19 GMT
I wouldn't want my kid in any of the shirts listed. Pj or around the house, whatever. Out in public- no.
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Post by LAM88 on Jan 14, 2015 16:00:49 GMT
Photographers are shooters but get harrassed for saying things like "I'm shooting babies this weekend." Really? People actually think that someone is going to go shoot babies with a gun and admit it? Hmmm...I've never heard of a photographer (or anyone) getting harassed for saying they were "shooting babies," but if one did then I'm sure it was an isolated incident and not general public sentiment. OTOH, if a photographer wore a shirt that said "I shoot babies" with a camera on it, I'm sure the reaction would be quite different and not so humorous. |
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Post by cakediva on Jan 14, 2015 16:04:25 GMT
I'm guessing it's from Harry Potter. If there is no reference to him on the T shirt you can't expect others to know where the statement is from. No, I don't think it's appropriate for school with or without the reference to Harry Potter on it. Not a Harry Potter reference at all - there are no mention of "assassins" in any of the books. My head immediately went to Assassin's Creed, because my oldest plays the video game. |
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Post by grinningcat on Jan 14, 2015 16:05:19 GMT
Hmmm...I've never heard of a photographer (or anyone) getting harassed for saying they were "shooting babies," but if one did then I'm sure it was an isolated incident and not general public sentiment. OTOH, if a photographer wore a shirt that said "I shoot babies" with a camera on it, I'm sure the reaction would be quite different and not so humorous. That's exactly the situation. A friend has a shirt that says that. It's hysterical and completely obvious what it refers to. And some humourless people get their knickers in a knot (and because he's a bit of a brat, he now wears it when they are around just to piss them off because they pissed him off). It hasn't affected his buisiness as far as he can tell, but he doesn't cater to the "typical" baby crowd... he's more for the offbeat babies/wedding crowd. I've said it a few times and gotten looks and gasps. It's really stupid. So I guess that's where I'm coming from on this topic. Think before you have a cow over a silly shirt. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 14, 2015 16:18:03 GMT
Absolutely. My DD knows that the administration at her school wouldn't like the shirt, so she just doesn't wear it at school. And its not a problem for her. She's growing up in a time when gun violence is entering our schools and she is sensitive to that. I am absolutely aware of the double entendre. You'd have to be stupid to not see that. Again, I think people are way too sensitive about these things. Photographers are shooters but get harrassed for saying things like "I'm shooting babies this weekend." Really? People actually think that someone is going to go shoot babies with a gun and admit it? I just think there's a lack of common sense when it comes to a lot of this stuff. Just think for a couple minutes before reacting over nothing. And yes, I totally understand that school shootings are a thing now, this doesn't negate that. I just think a little more thought process needs to come into play. Kids don't necessarily have the same level of critical thinking as adults, however. Hence, not appropriate at school, but okay at home, etc., if the adults around get the humor. Are you aware of the middle-school girls who thought Slenderman was real and that they had to murder someone to prove that they were worthy to become his disciples? So, they stabbed a "friend" multiple times in the woods, left her to die, and then went off to find Slenderman. Some kids don't get the dark humor of the deeper level of the double-entendre, but get stuck at "killing is cool enough to make it to the front of a t-shirt" level. When you are a parent sending your kids off to school for the day, in this era ushered in by Columbine, the thought of anything that supports a "shoot 'em up" culture is disturbing at best. There are few things scarier on this planet then when you get notified that your kid's school is on lock-down. So, personally, I don't think that parents need to "get over it" and put more thought process into it. |
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Post by grinningcat on Jan 14, 2015 16:19:10 GMT
I am absolutely aware of the double entendre. You'd have to be stupid to not see that. Again, I think people are way too sensitive about these things. Photographers are shooters but get harrassed for saying things like "I'm shooting babies this weekend." Really? People actually think that someone is going to go shoot babies with a gun and admit it? I just think there's a lack of common sense when it comes to a lot of this stuff. Just think for a couple minutes before reacting over nothing. And yes, I totally understand that school shootings are a thing now, this doesn't negate that. I just think a little more thought process needs to come into play. Kids don't necessarily have the same level of critical thinking as adults, however. Hence, not appropriate at school, but okay at home, etc., if the adults around get the humor. Are you aware of the middle-school girls who thought Slenderman was real and that they had to murder someone to prove that they were worthy to become his disciples? Some kids don't get the dark humor of the deeper level of the double-entendre, but get stuck at "killing is cool enough to make it to the front of a t-shirt" level. When you are a parent sending your kids off to school for the day, in this era ushered in by Columbine, the thought of anything that supports a "shoot 'em up" culture is disturbing at best. There are few things scarier on this planet then when you get notified that your kid's school is on lock-down. So, personally, I don't think that parents need to "get over it" and put more thought process into it. Fair enough. I hear what you're saying. I'll agree with what you're saying to a point, but I still stand that we need to get back to a middle ground instead of the extreme points we're at today. |
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Post by elaine on Jan 14, 2015 16:22:43 GMT
Kids don't necessarily have the same level of critical thinking as adults, however. Hence, not appropriate at school, but okay at home, etc., if the adults around get the humor. Are you aware of the middle-school girls who thought Slenderman was real and that they had to murder someone to prove that they were worthy to become his disciples? Some kids don't get the dark humor of the deeper level of the double-entendre, but get stuck at "killing is cool enough to make it to the front of a t-shirt" level. When you are a parent sending your kids off to school for the day, in this era ushered in by Columbine, the thought of anything that supports a "shoot 'em up" culture is disturbing at best. There are few things scarier on this planet then when you get notified that your kid's school is on lock-down. So, personally, I don't think that parents need to "get over it" and put more thought process into it. Fair enough. I hear what you're saying. I'll agree with what you're saying to a point, but I still stand that we need to get back to a middle ground instead of the extreme points we're at today. I appreciate the dark humor myself. I wouldn't wear it, or have my boys wear it, but I would never harass someone wearing it. I'm not for banning the shirts in general, just not for having kids wear them to school. So, I guess I'm agreeing with you on more middle-ground at large, but am fine with the strict extreme of dress at school. |
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Post by dancingqueen on Jan 14, 2015 16:32:28 GMT
I am absolutely aware of the double entendre. You'd have to be stupid to not see that. Again, I think people are way too sensitive about these things. Photographers are shooters but get harrassed for saying things like "I'm shooting babies this weekend." Really? People actually think that someone is going to go shoot babies with a gun and admit it? I just think there's a lack of common sense when it comes to a lot of this stuff. Just think for a couple minutes before reacting over nothing. And yes, I totally understand that school shootings are a thing now, this doesn't negate that. I just think a little more thought process needs to come into play. Kids don't necessarily have the same level of critical thinking as adults, however. Hence, not appropriate at school, but okay at home, etc., if the adults around get the humor. Are you aware of the middle-school girls who thought Slenderman was real and that they had to murder someone to prove that they were worthy to become his disciples? So, they stabbed a "friend" multiple times in the woods, left her to die, and then went off to find Slenderman. Some kids don't get the dark humor of the deeper level of the double-entendre, but get stuck at "killing is cool enough to make it to the front of a t-shirt" level. When you are a parent sending your kids off to school for the day, in this era ushered in by Columbine, the thought of anything that supports a "shoot 'em up" culture is disturbing at best. There are few things scarier on this planet then when you get notified that your kid's school is on lock-down. So, personally, I don't think that parents need to "get over it" and put more thought process into it. My school was put on lockdown a couple months ago. I agree, it was scary. The reason? A student had found a spent shot gun shell in the parking lot and a parent called the police. It was hunting season, and we are in a very popular hunting location. Now I might be opening up a whole new can of worms, but I think middle ground (aka common sense) would have been helpful in this situation... |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 14, 2015 16:53:51 GMT
I don't think it is funny or appropriate, no matter the situation.
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Post by calgal08 on Jan 14, 2015 16:59:54 GMT
Nope, not appropriate, and I'm pretty liberal in my views.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jan 14, 2015 17:55:42 GMT
I have to agree. There is NOTHING inappropriate with that shirt. Nothing. People are so bloody sensitive these days. Can we get the pendulum back to the middle please instead of at the extreme? As for the OP? Meh. I can't see any of the teachers I know getting their knickers in a knot about it. But they would also see the context behind it. I want a shirt like that to wear to my corporate office. That would be fun! But I'm a bit of a rabble rouser that way.
That's where I'm at. I'm not sensitive at all, but I don't care for this type of shirt. It's more like the cheap, less intelligent shot at attention. |
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Post by grate on Jan 14, 2015 18:07:32 GMT
In a society of school shootings and terrorist killings, I would say not appropriate but I personally do not pay much attention to tshirts with writing on them.
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Post by georgiapea on Jan 14, 2015 20:37:27 GMT
I love the saying. But my life is pretty insulated from the actual tragic events happening in our world. My first reaction to seeing the words was "We are all still here so the assassins failed to eliminate us". Then I realized it probably meant "What, you are still here? So the assassins failed to eliminate you". I regretfully conclude that in today's world it isn't a good (or safe) shirt to wear into a school. Unfortunately, with the possibility of a mentally unhinged person being a student, the words might put a target on the chest a person wearing such a shirt. They could see it as a challenge.
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Post by Tamhugh on Jan 15, 2015 1:49:06 GMT
First, I have to say kudos to the OP for her gracious handling of this. She admits that she was looking for validation, and when she didn't get it, she didn't hairflip or keep adding info to make everyone agree with her.
Second, I would not let my kids wear a shirt like that to school. I take it as the wearer being disappointed that someone wasn't assassinated. However, I agree that the other examples should be handled in a similar manner. I work in a high school and I am a hardass about dress code. A lot of my co-workers have become frustrated at the lack of support for handling violations and they just let it go. I am still trying to follow the rules.
ETA I had my own not so proud moment with DS and a forbidden t-shirt in high school. He had one that said "SUITS SUCK", which is apparently a reference to the show Entourage. He was not allowed to wear it to school. On his last day of senior year, he happily posed for a picture for me, dressed in an acceptable t-shirt. Late in the day, I passed him in the hall and he had on the forbidden shirt. I was angry and embarrassed but he had told his teachers that he was trying to pull one over on me. They seemed to find him more amusing and charming than I did.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 15, 2015 1:52:33 GMT
So OP, the majority of the peas say it is not an appropriate shirt to wear to school. I think the majority of the peas are having difficulties w/their phones, lol. I really really love you guys! |
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Post by azredhead on Jan 15, 2015 2:27:48 GMT
I'm glad i wasn't the only one not getting HP reference?
I get the dark humor. My brother has very dark shock value humor. But definitely not appropriate for school.
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Jan 15, 2015 4:37:36 GMT
This thread is useless without pictures.
Seriously-- I want to see the shirt!
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Post by dancingqueen on Jan 15, 2015 4:45:16 GMT
This thread is useless without pictures. Seriously-- I want to see the shirt! I would, but I'll need to be walked through it lol. |
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