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Post by luvmygirls on Feb 5, 2015 15:38:52 GMT
Does the school have the right to go through a students cell phone to check their videos, email or text messages? I'm not having this problem, but my DDs friend is. Can the school punish for something that happen over the weekend like a text or a recording that has nothing to do with the school? What if the student refuses to give the principal his/her phone? Should the parents be notified prior to school looking at the phone? How would you feel if the school demanded to see your child's phone? I feel that the school has no right to look at a child's phone without the concent of the parent. I also don't feel that the school should punish for something that was done while away from school? What are your opinions? I am all for protecting our kids, but what about privacy and the fact that this is a minor. I want to be prepared if this happens to my dd. If you disagree, please explain. I'm open to change my view if it protects a child. I don't want to tell my daughter to leave her phone at home because it is important that she has it.
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Post by freebird on Feb 5, 2015 15:47:18 GMT
Our schools have an honor code. If you get caught drinking (or other illegal activities) on Saturday, then you still lose your activities like sports, etc. Now as for confiscating a phone, I'm not sure that's really legal.
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Post by pretzels on Feb 5, 2015 15:48:23 GMT
From what I know, the school can search you, your belongings (including your phone), your car and your locker if they have a reasonable suspicion that you broke a law or a school rule. So I would say that depending on the circumstances, the school can ask to see your phone and they can search through it.
I don't really have a problem with it. My opinion on these kinds of things have always been if you don't want anyone to know about it, don't do it and sure as hell don't take pictures of it. That's just stupidity.
The school doesn't have to notify parents.
My DS was randomly drug-tested yesterday at school. All students involved in extracurricular activities can be randomly drug-tested at any time. I did sign a paper at the beginning of the year acknowledging that, but no one notified me yesterday that they did it. He told me. (Actually, he said, "Mom, I took a test today in Algebra, and I'm sure I passed it. It was a drug test!") My BFF who works at the same high school said they pulled all his kids out of second period the day before and ran a drug dog through the classroom. The kids were not allowed to take their belongings into the hallway with them.
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Post by iowgirl on Feb 5, 2015 15:50:42 GMT
It's a good question. They can look through their lockers and items in their lockers, so I don't know why a cell phone would be off limits? I don't know that I would be happy about it though.
There have been issues in our school system with pictures that appeared on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram, resulting in a suspension from a sports team. The kids were pictured with beer cans in their hands at a weekend party. We have a zero tolerance policy - if you are even at a party with alcohol - you are benched for 6 weeks. You still go to practice and all the games/meets - but you must wear street clothes at the game/meet and sit on the bench. The student athletes are required to sign a code of conduct policy form before they start the season - and if it is violated - boom. Done.
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Post by melanell on Feb 5, 2015 15:51:32 GMT
If the school had reason to suspect that something was amiss with my child, sure I would like it if they contacted me first, but, I also understand that depending on the suspected offense, they might fear that the proof would be deleted before they could get in contact with me.
So, depending on why they were requesting/demanding the phone, I could definitely see myself supporting their decision.
People like to say that it takes a village, but if we want the village's help, sometimes it means that they step in in our place when they are present and we are not.
If them taking the phone from DS was the catalyst for me finding out that he was involved in something that was dangerous for him or others, then I'd be relieved to have found out about it, even if it came with some embarrassment for him or us over how it was determined.
Imagine this situation...another child may have done something against your child and the school feels that the proof is currently on their phone. Would you be upset that the school took the other child's phone?
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Post by pretzels on Feb 5, 2015 15:56:08 GMT
My DS's high school had a thing happening last semester where someone started a Twitter account called "highschoolname starter kit." This account would post a collage of pictures relating to a student and name the student. Some were funny and harmless, a few were not. The account posted pictures of four girls and called it the "[John Smith] Starter Kit." Apparently, the guy got around, told about it, and those four girls were his partners.
The principal pretty much shut it down at that point. I'm not sure how, but within an hour of school starting the next day, the account was GONE. DS isn't even sure what happened. Most of the kids use the school's WiFi on their cell phones, so I think a pretty good case could be made for the school being very alert on what their WiFi is being used for...
Our school also has a clause similar to those above for extracurriculars.
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Post by cmpeter on Feb 5, 2015 15:57:40 GMT
Students at school don't have the same privacy rights (which is why backpacks, lockers and cars can be searched). I put phones in this same category. I would expect to be notified if the school did search anything of my child's after the fact.
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Post by PaperAngel on Feb 5, 2015 16:02:29 GMT
Given your concern, I recommend that you instruct your daughter to evoke her right to have a parent present before answering any questions or surrendering any belongings to school administrators.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 5, 2015 16:06:46 GMT
Legally the school may have an issue. Considering just last year there was a Supreme Court decision that police REQUIRE a warrant to search your cel phone. www.cnn.com/2014/06/25/justice/supreme-court-cell-phones/How can a school have MORE authority than law enforcement? Personally I would be angry if they didn't so much as get MY permission much less a warrant. A school is not exempt from following the law.
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Post by scrappergonewild on Feb 5, 2015 16:14:32 GMT
I would have no issue with the school doing that. And most students and parents sign a code of conduct staying that they agree to these types of searches.
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Post by cmpeter on Feb 5, 2015 16:19:33 GMT
Schools don't need a search warrant to look in a students backpack, locker or vehicle. While police do need a warrant to search adults things when off school property, the same privacy rights are not in play when on a school property.
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Post by nurseypants on Feb 5, 2015 16:24:00 GMT
Given your concern, I recommend that you instruct your daughter to evoke her right to have a parent present before answering any questions or surrendering any belongings to school administrators. Oh, Good God.
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Post by Jili on Feb 5, 2015 16:25:05 GMT
At our school, they do. I copied the following from our school handbook:
To maintain order and discipline in the schools and to protect the safety and welfare of students and school personnel, school authorities may search a student’s person and/or personal effects, including but not limited to purses, wallets, bookbags, backpacks, electronic devices of any kind, cell phones, networks, the student’s electronic storage locker or student email account, and/or automobile and may seize any contraband materials discovered in the search in accordance with Illinois law and the authority and guidelines established by the United States Supreme Court, and other federal law, state law, and school policies and procedures. Students who refuse to cooperate or fully comply with the terms of a search conducted by school personnel may be determined to have violated the student conduct policy for the behavior in question.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 5, 2015 16:33:16 GMT
Schools are expected to prevent bullying, sexting and other things kids do wrong, so how can they be held accountable if the can't access phones, lockers or other devices.
Too many people expect the schools to be responsible for our childrens behavior when something happens, but they don't want to give up their rights to help the schools.
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Post by maryland on Feb 5, 2015 16:33:55 GMT
From what I know, the school can search you, your belongings (including your phone), your car and your locker if they have a reasonable suspicion that you broke a law or a school rule. So I would say that depending on the circumstances, the school can ask to see your phone and they can search through it. I don't really have a problem with it. My opinion on these kinds of things have always been if you don't want anyone to know about it, don't do it and sure as hell don't take pictures of it. That's just stupidity. The school doesn't have to notify parents. My DS was randomly drug-tested yesterday at school. All students involved in extracurricular activities can be randomly drug-tested at any time. I did sign a paper at the beginning of the year acknowledging that, but no one notified me yesterday that they did it. He told me. (Actually, he said, "Mom, I took a test today in Algebra, and I'm sure I passed it. It was a drug test!") My BFF who works at the same high school said they pulled all his kids out of second period the day before and ran a drug dog through the classroom. The kids were not allowed to take their belongings into the hallway with them. I feel the same way. And my daughter is often pulled out for random drug testing at school. She was randomly tested a few times each year. We joke that they "randomly" test the kids they know they will be fine. They also have the drug sniffing dogs about once or twice a year. My daughter loves it because she loves seeing the dogs "at work".
Sometimes I have to pick one of my kids up at school, and I bring our german shepherd along for the ride. My daughter says if the kids see the dog in the car, they will think she is there to "check" lockers!
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 5, 2015 16:36:06 GMT
What is the schools written policy? If, for example, there has been bullying via text messages, social media etc, concerning pupils in the school, then hell, yes, I would expect the school to act and to punish the guilty even if messages were sent out of school hours.
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Post by maryland on Feb 5, 2015 16:36:08 GMT
If the school had reason to suspect that something was amiss with my child, sure I would like it if they contacted me first, but, I also understand that depending on the suspected offense, they might fear that the proof would be deleted before they could get in contact with me. So, depending on why they were requesting/demanding the phone, I could definitely see myself supporting their decision. People like to say that it takes a village, but if we want the village's help, sometimes it means that they step in in our place when they are present and we are not. If them taking the phone from DS was the catalyst for me finding out that he was involved in something that was dangerous for him or others, then I'd be relieved to have found out about it, even if it came with some embarrassment for him or us over how it was determined. Imagine this situation...another child may have done something against your child and the school feels that the proof is currently on their phone. Would you be upset that the school took the other child's phone? I agree! You have some great points that I hadn't thought of. I too would want to be notified if my child did something wrong, or was the victim of others.
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Post by LeaP on Feb 5, 2015 16:48:13 GMT
On the one hand I agree with a previous poster that it takes a village, on the other hand it seem like an invasion of privacy if it happened on the weekend.
I'm just thinking of last night's video of me holding the dog pretending to comb one of my daughters hair with his claws.
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Post by MizIndependent on Feb 5, 2015 17:04:33 GMT
Given your concern, I recommend that you instruct your daughter to evoke her right to have a parent present before answering any questions or surrendering any belongings to school administrators. Oh, Good God. Wow. Really? You don't think students deserve the same rights as you have? Do you have kids?
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 5, 2015 17:17:57 GMT
The answer is actually complicated and unsettled. People have a privacy right in cell phones -- looking through a cell phone is a search, and the Supreme Court has been absolutely clear on that, so that is one thing. The Supreme Court also has been clear that students in public schools enjoy less of a right to privacy than do adults in other settings because schools are what the Court calls a "special needs" environment -- a setting where there are government needs beyond the ordinary needs of law enforcement (to arrest and prosecute people for crimes). For that reason, school officials generally do not need a warrant or probable cause to perform searches, as police officers would if they were searching adults -- they can search based on reasonable suspicion, which is a lower standard of suspicion, and, under some circumstances, they may be able to search without any suspicion (for example, random drug tests for students who participate in athletics or extracurricular activities).
The Supreme Court has not had a case about student cell phone searches specifically. I think that they probably would say that suspicion-based searches of cellphones by school administrators (rather than, for example, police officers assigned to public school campuses) for the purpose of uncovering evidence of things that affect the learning environment would be acceptable. If the searches are suspicion less, or are performed by resource officers rather than school administrators, or are targeted towards uncovering evidence of criminal activity for the purpose of arresting the student, the court would be less likely to say that the searches comport with the Fourth Amendment. Most of the lower court cases that I have seen have involved people bringing civil rights lawsuits (section 1983 suits, if anyone is familiar) based on school punishments that stem from cellphone searches, and because what you need to prove in those cases is something much tougher than "there was a fourth amendment violation here," it is hard to tell much from those cases (often the lower court judge says that the search was terrible and/or unjustified but that qualified immunity protects the administrators or notes that the result for the student was school discipline and that courts almost never second-guess school disciplinary decisions as long as there was an administrative process of some kind).
Anyhow, maybe more information than you need, but there you go. I oppose searching student cellphones for evidence of "bullying" because "bullying" is such a capacious, amorphous, and at this point almost meaningless designation. For parents who oppose searches for bullying (which are very popular) or cell phone searches generally, you are far better off taking it up with your school administrators and/or school board when they are drafting search policies than waiting until your student gets searched. Most of the time, policies are put in place with universal parent support, and it is only when parents see the consequences (kids getting suspended from school for posting photos of themselves provocatively licking lollypops, e.g.) that they realize what they have authorized.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 17:31:04 GMT
If they have actual information about something specific and are looking for confirmation/evidence, that's one thing. But vague fishing expeditions... I would not particularly be onboard with that.
Students may not have the same legal expectation of privacy that adults do, but that doesn't mean they don't have any. I don't think a school should be searching a student's phone without a very good reason.
As far as school punishments for things that happen not at school, that also depends. When there are situations like (mentioned above) honor codes for participation in sports and other extracurricular activities, it's clear they agree to the potential of punishment if they are caught violating that code at any time. And there are other situations where something may happen outside of school but between kids who go to school together. The school has an obligation to provide a safe environment for students, so it's possible that if someone harms (physically or otherwise) a fellow student away from school, the school may need to punish the aggressor in someway to protect the injured party. But if it's something like a kid gets in trouble for shoplifting at Wal-Mart, I have a hard time imagining why the school should be involved.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 5, 2015 17:48:31 GMT
Schools are expected to prevent bullying, sexting and other things kids do wrong, so how can they be held accountable if the can't access phones, lockers or other devices. Too many people expect the schools to be responsible for our childrens behavior when something happens, but they don't want to give up their rights to help the schools. Get a warrant and then your fine. Law enforcement can confiscate a phone but the can not open it or 'force' you to open it without a warrant. If the school tried to 'force' my kid to open their phone without proper procedures being followed I would sue. I'm sure I did not give permission for the school to open my childs phone. Opening the phone without a warrant could make everything they find inadmissible in court. If it were about bullying cyber or otherwise it could affect the prosecution of the crime.
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Post by elaine on Feb 5, 2015 18:05:46 GMT
Schools are expected to prevent bullying, sexting and other things kids do wrong, so how can they be held accountable if the can't access phones, lockers or other devices. Too many people expect the schools to be responsible for our childrens behavior when something happens, but they don't want to give up their rights to help the schools. Get a warrant and then your fine. Law enforcement can confiscate a phone but the can not open it or 'force' you to open it without a warrant. If the school tried to 'force' my kid to open their phone without proper procedures being followed I would sue. I'm sure I did not give permission for the school to open my childs phone. Opening the phone without a warrant could make everything they find inadmissible in court. If it were about bullying cyber or otherwise it could affect the prosecution of the crime. Check your Student Handbook before you are sure that you didn't give them permission already. Schools do not need warrants to search lockers, cars, backpacks, students themselves, and, if in the student handbook, also their phones.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 5, 2015 18:08:12 GMT
Schools are expected to prevent bullying, sexting and other things kids do wrong, so how can they be held accountable if the can't access phones, lockers or other devices. Too many people expect the schools to be responsible for our childrens behavior when something happens, but they don't want to give up their rights to help the schools. Get a warrant and then your fine. Law enforcement can confiscate a phone but the can not open it or 'force' you to open it without a warrant. If the school tried to 'force' my kid to open their phone without proper procedures being followed I would sue. I'm sure I did not give permission for the school to open my childs phone. Opening the phone without a warrant could make everything they find inadmissible in court. If it were about bullying cyber or otherwise it could affect the prosecution of the crime. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, you are not using what you find on a student's cell phone to prosecute them. You are using it to discipline them at school for a violation of school policy through a process that doesn't offer the same protections as criminal prosecution like suppression of evidence. It is also pretty clear to me that even if the evidence were entered in a criminal prosecution, the courts would not say school administrators needed a warrant. Maybe specific suspicion, and maybe a school resource office would need a warrant (even that isn't certain), but probably not a warrant for school administrators. I am saying this not because I disagree with you in principle. I am in what I believe is a minority of people who think high school students should enjoy the same constitutional protections against search and seizure that adults do. But it is clear that they do not. If you want to avoid student searches, waiting until your student gets searched and then suing is a bad idea. You are likely to lose. Where parents have gotten involved beforehand, by seeking to shape the school's search policy before their kids get searched, they have been more successful. If you oppose cellphone searches, check your school policy and start organizing now.
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Post by georgiapea on Feb 5, 2015 18:10:33 GMT
Get it into the Handbook and the school will be covered. If a student doesn't want their cell checked they have the option of leaving it at home.
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Post by gritzi on Feb 5, 2015 18:12:31 GMT
My child would know to not allow his phone, clothes, etc to be searched w/o his parents being contacted.
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Post by elaine on Feb 5, 2015 18:26:05 GMT
My child would know to not allow his phone, clothes, etc to be searched w/o his parents being contacted. Did he sign the form that says he has read and will abide by the Student Handbook?
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Post by elaine on Feb 5, 2015 18:30:48 GMT
FWIW my kids go to a huge school district in the Metro DC area and our Student Rights and Responsibilities Handbook clearly names cell phones as one of the things school administrators can search without permission. And that students can be disciplined for behavior that happens outside of school hours, including weekends, if the behavior impacts the school and / or students in a negative way.
I just looked it up because it is online, as should most everyone's who is participating in this thread.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 5, 2015 18:37:30 GMT
Is the kid is sports? or an activity? Then yes, ANYTHING outside of the school, drugs, alcohol, attending a party, smoking, ethical behavior, ie bullying, etc. CAN and will be looked at. It does not matter if it was done off school grounds. If the kid has something on their phone they don't want anyone to see, don't take the phone to school. Easy enough. If the kid doesn't have anything to hide, there is no problem.
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Post by pretzels on Feb 5, 2015 18:41:23 GMT
FWIW my kids go to a huge school district in the Metro DC area and our Student a Rights and Responsibilities Handbook clearly names cell phones as one of the things school administrators can search without permission. And that students can be disciplined for behavior that happens outside of school hours, including weekends, if the behavior impacts the school and / or student in a negative way. I just looked it up because it is online, as should most everyone's who is participating in this thread. i just looked ours up. It's a separate link on the Web site, by itself: "In limited circumstances and in accordance with law, a student’s personal telecommunications device may be searched by authorized personnel." And in the Handbook: "Any searches of personal telecommunications or other personal electronic devices will be conducted in accordance with law, and the device may be confiscated in order to perform a lawful search. A confiscated device may be turned over to law enforcement to determine whether a crime has been committed."
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