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Post by gritzi on Feb 5, 2015 19:15:23 GMT
No, no signatures were required re a student handbook. For sports we did sign that we allowed random testing which was a specific form for that sport.
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Just T
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Post by Just T on Feb 5, 2015 19:17:52 GMT
Your student handbook doesn't have to be signed? My kids have always had to sign theirs, along with a parent. At the beginning of the school year, the handbook comes home along with a sheet you sign saying that you have read and understand it.
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Post by craftygardenmom on Feb 5, 2015 19:25:42 GMT
My guess is that it's in the school handbook what they can search, including phones, laptops and tablets. I agree there should be cause for a search and a parent should be notified, but I think for the overall safety of the students, school administrators should be able to search a students belongings if they bring them on campus.
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Post by elaine on Feb 5, 2015 19:36:12 GMT
Your student handbook doesn't have to be signed? My kids have always had to sign theirs, along with a parent. At the beginning of the school year, the handbook comes home along with a sheet you sign saying that you have read and understand it. Mine too. Every single year. For each of my kids. It has to be completed, along with the Emergency Contact form, in order for middle schoolers and high schoolers to be able to pick up their schedules.
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Post by gritzi on Feb 5, 2015 19:48:28 GMT
During the Intermediate grades a form was sent home (that was a few years ago). This year there were no forms. Emergency contact information was given online. The information given was specific to phone numbers, email addresses, allergies, anyone other than parents allowed to pick up our child. DS schedule was available online the day prior to school starting, and the morning of the first day of school.
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Post by cmpeter on Feb 5, 2015 20:19:54 GMT
We sign a form every year (parent and student) that states we have read and agree to the student handbook. It comes home the first week of school along with all the other class forms and paperwork.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 5, 2015 21:40:20 GMT
A school administrator has more rights to search students than law enforcement. School officials are acting in loco parentis and are allowed to take actions that are necessary to protect the health and well-being of any student in their care. However, that right is not unlimited, and cell phone searches are not a slam dunk. NN v. Tunkhanock. GC v. OwensboroThe basic question is reasonableness of the search, and there are very few instances where there is an IMMEDIATE need to search a cell phone. As for whether or not the school can force students to sign away their rights to be free of unlawful searches by putting a notice in the handbook, I would come down on the side of "no." Students are required by law to attend school, and you cannot compel someone to do something and then force them to sign away their constitutional rights. Even if the student is beyond the age of compulsory attendance, you cannot offer a public education conditional on signing away your rights. School officials may be able to confiscate a cell phone for a short period of time if there is a prohibition about having them in school because the act of having the prohibited property is a violation of school rules, and administrators generally have a lot of leeway in enforcing those kinds of rules intended to prevent disruption. However, unless there is some immediate need to see the contents, they cannot look at what is stored on the phone. They cannot get around this legal standard by saying "but you consented in the handbook." The student has no choice but to accept what is in the handbook or be removed from the school, and giving up your legal rights must be free and voluntary. Of course, none of this applies to a private school becauses those officials are not "state actors" and are not bound by the Constitution. The student voluntarily gives up those rights if the consent is given as part of the contract between the school and student.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 5, 2015 22:06:10 GMT
Get a warrant and then your fine. Law enforcement can confiscate a phone but the can not open it or 'force' you to open it without a warrant. If the school tried to 'force' my kid to open their phone without proper procedures being followed I would sue. I'm sure I did not give permission for the school to open my childs phone. Opening the phone without a warrant could make everything they find inadmissible in court. If it were about bullying cyber or otherwise it could affect the prosecution of the crime. Check your Student Handbook before you are sure that you didn't give them permission already. Schools do not need warrants to search lockers, cars, backpacks, students themselves, and, if in the student handbook, also their phones. I'm positive. Locker, yes. Back back with additional parent notification BEFORE they search it, yes. School owned chrime book yes, they don't even have to tell me. Coat off the body, yes. Clothing ON their body no. Cel phone no I wouldn't have signed it if it had. My child attending school does not negate their right to privacy in order to go to school. Not acceptable. They ARE responsible for their actions 24x7 according to the student athlete agreement we signed. They could be disciplined for a list of things away from school, but that still does not include a phone search. There is something in there about uniforms as per regulations of their sport.
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Post by cmpeter on Feb 5, 2015 22:14:21 GMT
The courts have ruled that students do not have the same expectations of privacy when at school. Regardless of what your handbook states, I don't see how you could win that battle if it ever went as far as legal action.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 22:25:01 GMT
If the school had reason to suspect that something was amiss with my child, sure I would like it if they contacted me first, but, I also understand that depending on the suspected offense, they might fear that the proof would be deleted before they could get in contact with me. So, depending on why they were requesting/demanding the phone, I could definitely see myself supporting their decision. People like to say that it takes a village, but if we want the village's help, sometimes it means that they step in in our place when they are present and we are not. If them taking the phone from DS was the catalyst for me finding out that he was involved in something that was dangerous for him or others, then I'd be relieved to have found out about it, even if it came with some embarrassment for him or us over how it was determined. Imagine this situation...another child may have done something against your child and the school feels that the proof is currently on their phone. Would you be upset that the school took the other child's phone? Well said
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Post by disneypal on Feb 5, 2015 22:34:28 GMT
I would assume that the school wouldn't have a need to go through a student's phone without some kind of speculation that there was an issue/problem. I think a school should have the ability to do that - while a student is on campus.
Even if the kid has done something they shouldn't have (such as forwarding nude photos and such) after hours, I think the school should still be held accountable in whatever form of reprimand that may be. The problem could effect other students, the school be held liable if they knew of a problem and did nothing.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Feb 6, 2015 0:36:05 GMT
Given your concern, I recommend that you instruct your daughter to evoke her right to have a parent present before answering any questions or surrendering any belongings to school administrators. Invoke, not evoke.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Feb 6, 2015 1:01:43 GMT
The high school my son went to distributed a Student Handbook at the beginning of every academic year. The student and parents were responsible to read and sign an acknowledgement.
The policy on cell phones is that they were to be turned off and kept in the students locker. If a student was caught using a cell phone during the day, it was confiscated and the student would receive detention.
From the manual regarding searches-
"1. Student property such as cars, book bags, athletic bags, and clothing on school grounds or in the school environment can be searched by school administrators when there is reasonable suspicion that the student may be in possession of a substance or item that is illegal, forbidden by school policy, or a threat to the safety and well-being of any members of the school community.
2. School Environment will mean within or on school property, parking areas, and/or at school sanctioned or supervised activities, including on school grounds, school buses, at functions held on school grounds, at extra-curricular activities held on or off school grounds, on field trips, and at functions held at the school in the evening.
3. Lockers are school property and may be searched or inspected by administrators at any time, with or without cause.
4. Seizure of Items. School administrators will seize any illegal, inappropriate, or forbidden items discovered on school property and issue the appropriate consequences, including dismissal if warranted. School officials may involve local law enforcement if any search or inspection reveals any items that are illegal or that suggest illegal or criminal activity.
5. Parent Permission. School administrators are not obligated to obtain parental permission to conduct searches based on the criteria outlined above. When the situation permits, administrators may call parents as a courtesy. Cooperation is expected from parents.
6. Refusal of Search. Refusal of permission to search cars, bags, lockers, and clothing either by the student or by parent or guardian will require the immediate dismissal of the student from school. If school officials suspect illegal or dangerous items or criminal activity, the police may be notified.
This is a private school. If you don't want to abide by their rules, there is a waiting list of students who would be happy to comply and take your spot.
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 6, 2015 1:09:31 GMT
Your student handbook doesn't have to be signed? My kids have always had to sign theirs, along with a parent. At the beginning of the school year, the handbook comes home along with a sheet you sign saying that you have read and understand it. Mine too. Every single year. For each of my kids. It has to be completed, along with the Emergency Contact form, in order for middle schoolers and high schoolers to be able to pick up their schedules. Our school requires the same thing-signed acknowledgment by both the student and parent that the handbook has been read and the student will abide by the rules. In addition, our school requires the kids and their parents to sign a separate appropriate technology usage agreement-which outlines the appropriate use of all tech on campus (phones, ipads that are supplied by the school etc) along with what the school is allowed to search/look at and what the consequences of violating that agreement will be. Searching a cell phone or tablet is absolutely included in that agreement, without specific event parental consent as the agreement has already been signed at the beginning of the school year.
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Post by scrapaddie on Feb 6, 2015 1:20:10 GMT
Given your concern, I recommend that you instruct your daughter to evoke her right to have a parent present before answering any questions or surrendering any belongings to school administrators. Oh, Good God. Some high school kids are simplifying felons.... maybe they should.. We once had a student accused of stealing and using a teacher's credit card. Now this kid had been in trouble many times before and it was the parent's attitude that the school was out to het their precious little boy. The parents were called in and gave permission to the principal'to search his wallet. There it was!!!
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Post by scrapaddie on Feb 6, 2015 1:22:28 GMT
Shouldn't you be less,worried about his `right` and more worried about what is on the phone?
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 6, 2015 1:24:44 GMT
Here's DS's handbook policy
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Post by PaperAngel on Feb 6, 2015 5:37:16 GMT
nurseypants & scrapaddie - As indicated in my post (quoted below), I was specifically addressing the concerns of the OP. She asked for advice after indicating her belief "that the school has no right to look at a child's phone without the concent [sic] of the parent" & the school should not "punish for something that was done while away from school." I recommended her daughter assume responsibility to increase the likelihood the OP will be contacted, which is what she wants! Unlike the majority of posters, I neither included a personal anecdote nor expressed my opinion on the subject. Given your concern, I recommend that you instruct your daughter to evoke her right to have a parent present before answering any questions or surrendering any belongings to school administrators. Invoke, not evoke. Both verbs are correct in this context. Please note periods should only be used at the end of a complete sentence that is a statement. 
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Post by luvmygirls on Feb 6, 2015 7:11:30 GMT
Thank you everyone for your replies. I am very lucky that I have very well behaved teenagers. If their phones needed to be searched, I advised them to tell the principal to contacy me or my husband first. I want to know the circumstances surrounding the search and possibly be present. I want to do my best to support the school, while at the same time protecting my child. I've lectured them over and over again about what to put out there for others to see. I hope they take my advise and not put themselves in a position that would cause a search. I hope my dd has learned from seeing what her friend is going through. I know I have as a parent.
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