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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 3:30:17 GMT
I am just shocked right now. My mom has lung cancer and has less than 2 months to live and cannot live alone. Her oncologist told her yesterday it's time to go into hospice as there is nothing further they can do. So hospice came out today and said Medicare no longer pays for stays there. They can send a nurse out 2 days a week (an hour each visit) for vitals and med check and an aide 2 days (an hour each day) a week for baths. But that is it. She is on her own after that. The nurse that came out said most people have to die at home now instead of hospice.
This just infuriates me to no end. Medicare fraud is something like 300 Billion dollars a year but when seniors who have worked and paid into it don't get the help they need something has to change. I am so pissed, hurt, sad and everything else right now. My mother deserves to be taken care of (as do every other senior that has paid into it)
not only are we dealing with the emotions of our mother dying now we have to figure out how she will be taken care of. my brother and I both work full time and paying someone $30.00 plus an hour is just not possible.
Thank you you for letting me vent.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 3:34:21 GMT
I am so sorry. Hugs...you are right...it's very wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 3:34:53 GMT
I'm sorry that you're dealing with this 
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Post by cadoodlebug on Feb 6, 2015 3:37:31 GMT
I'm sorry you're losing your mom. We don't have hospice care in our area outside the home so I'm not familiar with the ins and outs of their services/costs. Every time we've dealt with Hospice (my dad, FIL and sister) there has been no charge.
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Post by freecharlie on Feb 6, 2015 3:37:33 GMT
I am so sorry. That is crap. I wish I had some great advice.
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Post by cherrie on Feb 6, 2015 3:39:29 GMT
I am so sorry....so very unfair! You will be in my thoughts and prayers.
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Post by Crazyhare on Feb 6, 2015 3:46:40 GMT
I'm sorry you have to go through this. Have you checked with other hospice providers? There shouldn't just be one in your area. Some are for-profit and others are non-profit. Maybe just checking with other Hospice providers will give you other avenues to pursuit.
My grandfather was in a non-profit Hospice, but it was father from my aunts house than other for-profit. He had Va benefits, so I'm unsure if that paid his costs, so if that was taken care of by the hospice house.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Feb 6, 2015 3:50:47 GMT
I am sorry for your mother's prognosis and your frustration right now.
However, I'm not sure what you were expecting from the hospice facility. That your mother could be there the last two months because she cannot live alone? In my experience, that's not how it works. When my mother was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer (she was given 6-12 months, but didn't quite hit 6 months), the hospice people told us that they simply provide palliative care for people for whom death is imminent. They told us that we would know when it was time to call them (they were right), and if we were lucky, there would be a bed available when we called. And she had private insurance to foot the bill.
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Post by gizzy on Feb 6, 2015 3:54:46 GMT
I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that medicare doesn't pay for inpatient hospice. I think that's despicable. The only thing I can think of is check with your township, see if they have anything they can do.
My thoughts are with you and your mom.
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Post by Dixie Lou on Feb 6, 2015 4:02:55 GMT
It was the same when my mom went on hospice. She lived in a retirement home (independent living) at the time. There was a nurse who worked privately for some of the tenants so we hired her to help my mom during the day. She was in and out throughout the day to help her get ready for the day, give her a bath, organized and gave her meds, helped her get ready for bed and that sort of thing. Then there was another lady who did things like clean her apartment and walk her dog. A hospice nurse would come once or twice a week to take vitals, check on her status and whatever.
One day the hospice nurse called me to tell me that it was time to move my mom in with me. Timing was great because we were already planning on moving her in with me the very next day. The hospice nurse would come to my home a few times a week and then there were a few other visits for baths...I can't remember the exact number of days and amount of time. There was a hospice pastor who was wonderful and developed a relationship with my mom.
Anyway, to get to my point...the hospice recommended a woman to take care of my mom when I was at work. We only paid her $10 an hour. She was at my home 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. She did everything for my mom. She would run to the store if my mom requested something. She brought her coffee every morning. She bathed her (my mom wouldn't let the hospice people bathe her), cleaned our house, cooked for her...we were very happy with her.
Talk to the hospice people and see if they have names of people. Kimberly doesn't work for the hospice but they have worked with her before. My dad's wife just came home from the hospital and this week Kimberly is over there taking care of her and also my dad. I can't say enough good about her. My mom's last day was spent with Kimberly holding her hand.
When my mom first started to actively pass, Kimberly had just left my home about ten minutes earlier. We called her and she, hospice nurse and hospice pastor were all by my mom's side within ten minutes. Kimberly held my mom's hand while the pastor was at her head singing her favorite songs to her. Hospice nurse just stood in the room and I was sitting at my mom's legs, not realizing that she was about to leave us. I am thinking why isn't Debbie doing anything? Now I know it's because my mom had a DNR and was dying. I feel very good at the level of care my mom had in her final weeks and moments.
The other good thing about hospice is that they brought over a hospital bed, oxygen supplies, other medical care supplies and meds. When my mom needed different pain meds, Debbie would make a all and they would send a courier over with what she needed within a very short amount of time, even late at night. It was comforting to have my mom at home and not in a hospital. She was able to be with her dog and in a familiar place...
I am so sorry about your mom. My mom almost had lung cancer that had spread to her brain, bones and liver.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 4:07:45 GMT
Thank you everyone for your kind words.
Eddie n Harley ya that is how it used to be. My grandmother, nephew and sister in law all were in hospice (varying times ). My grandmother was in it for 2 years off and on and the last couple of months she was there exclusively. They used to allow you there for 6 months and then you'd have to go back home and when you were in final stages you could go back to hospice.
Hospice has really changed though they even closed 1/2 of the hospital in town because so many ins / Medicare no longer allow you to be in patient there. Just so weird. Not what we were expecting especially when the nurse at the oncology office was telling us it's time she be admitted as she can no longer be on her own. Their donations must be way down too.
Mom was asked if her husband was a vet because if he were she may be eligible for more benefits. But he wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 4:11:33 GMT
Dixie Lou sorry for your loss - sounds like you found a loving caring nurse for your mom. What a blessing. Hopefully we can find one too.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 6, 2015 4:15:45 GMT
I'm sorry ypur dealing with this. It's very hard to deal with and extra worries aren't helpful.
So sorry
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Post by bluepoprocks on Feb 6, 2015 4:17:38 GMT
A family friend who lives in my house is on hospice. He has been for quit awhile. We have a CNA who comes 3 days a week for an hour. She washes him and stuff like that. A hospice nurse once every other week or so. A hospice doctor visits our house about once a month. I don't think we have hospice houses or facilities around here. If our friend needs 24 hour care we will have to move him to a nursing home that Medicare will pay for. Hospice will still visit him the same amount if that happens.
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Post by GiantsFan on Feb 6, 2015 4:22:53 GMT
I'm so sorry. I haven't been through this personally, so I have no advice. My thoughts are with you.
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Post by pridemom on Feb 6, 2015 4:37:42 GMT
In our area, hospice comess to the home. Check to see if she qualifies for any other home based services since she will be home bound. Is she eligible for any VA services? If your dad was a veteran, she may be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 4:38:04 GMT
I am sorry for your mother's diagnosis. I hope you can get your sweet mom the care she has earned and deserves at this point in her life. You and she will be in my prayers. My prayers are that you get lots of good days with Mom and that you can get as many stories told and answers to your questions as possible.
With love,
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Post by scrappinghappy on Feb 6, 2015 4:40:38 GMT
I am so sorry you are on this journey. i will pray for you all. I work as a volunteer for a non-profit hospice. It has a small IPU (in patient unit) but we service a large area over many counties. Most patients are in the IPU for less than a week, either end of life or respite care. Our hospice provides in home help from nurses, CNA and volunteers. To qualify for Medicare patients, we have to have a certain percent of volunteer hours vs staff hours so we have lots of volunteers who help patients with everything from quiet company, to running errands. Medicare is complicated but this link may shed some light on options www.medicare.gov/Pubs/pdf/02154.pdfGood luck with finding some good options for your mom, they are out there.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Feb 6, 2015 6:11:57 GMT
I'm sorry your mother is so ill.
We don't have any free-standing hospice facilities in our area, so this would be the standard of care for everyone. Could you move your mother to a nursing home?
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Post by zella on Feb 6, 2015 7:06:20 GMT
I'm so sorry; this is just horrible.
If you hire a caregiver privately, not through an agency, you can get someone for way less than $30 and hour. You do want to have a connection with a hospice agency, though, to help with medications, especially near the end. It is truly awful how difficult it is to get care for the elderly, ill and dying. Unless you can afford thousands per month, all the other options are bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 7:18:39 GMT
My sister and her husband had great medical insurance through the federal government and they were able to get onto each other's plans. (That isn't normal) so they had 80% plus a top up over and above that. She was able to get 3x day home care by a care aid to dress, change, medicate etc. Does your mother's insurance not cover that? She stayed in hospice for a week for respite care while her husband went away for a week. I think she had to pay $100/day for that. She got great care in there. (I thought she did, anyway). She thought she got over-medicated.
I hope you are able to get something set up that meets her needs. She deserves the very best care possible.
Many gentle hugs for both of you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 9:39:06 GMT
That's heartbreaking. Hospice was such a blessing for me with my grandma. Big hugs. I wish the elderly weren't such a forgotten population in our society. Big hugs!
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Post by michellegb on Feb 6, 2015 10:07:29 GMT
I'm so sorry. It's frustrating to have to deal with this on top of dealing with your mother's illness. When my MIL had hospice care last year it was very similar to what you described. The caregivers were wonderful, but it was up to the family to figure out round the clock care. Fortunately one of her sons was retired and could take care of her during the day and the rest of the children handled the nights and weekends. You have been given some good advice and I hope that you're able to get something arranged that works for everyone.
Sending prayers and positive thoughts for all.
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Post by pelirroja on Feb 6, 2015 10:35:36 GMT
I'm so sorry that it is time for you to say goodbye to your Mom. It feels so hopeless and overwhelming just reading your post. My thoughts and prayers are with you and I hope you are able to work something out somehow. ((hugs))
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Post by christine58 on Feb 6, 2015 10:52:16 GMT
What about a nursing home?? Is she currently in the hospital?
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Post by littlemama on Feb 6, 2015 12:04:33 GMT
My step dad was in a nursing home in hospice care. You may have to call around to find one with a hospice bed available, but the social worker at the hospital should be able to guide you. If your mother qualifies for Medicaid, you will want to get that going right away, otherwise the bill will need to be paid from her assets.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Feb 6, 2015 12:24:28 GMT
Hospice has seemed to be a money-making proposition in our area. The for-profit companies advertise heavily and actually compete to get business.
We also have a non-profit Hospice in the city I live in now. My husband's grandmother received care there in the Hospice House for a bit before she died at no cost to the family. Another family friend also died there recently but I have no idea what their financial arrangements were.
Do ask your medical providers if there are non-profit Hospices in your area. That might make some difference.
And I'm sorry about your mother.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 12:53:46 GMT
Thank you all for all the suggestions.
Mom doesn't qualify for veterans so that's out. I plan on calling her doc to see if they have any suggestions. I have many phone calls to make today.
5 years ago when Mimi was in hospice it was way different. My nephew was in hospice the month before Mimi and there were no issues but sounds like they are no longer non profit. They took such wonderful care of them also. They were such a blessing for us and our family in hospice.
Last September hubby's sister was in hospice for over a month - she didn't have insurance but they took her with no questions asked. (Different state than we live). Must be state to state.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 6, 2015 13:09:29 GMT
Thank you all for all the suggestions. Mom doesn't qualify for veterans so that's out. I plan on calling her doc to see if they have any suggestions. I have many phone calls to make today. 5 years ago when Mimi was in hospice it was way different. My nephew was in hospice the month before Mimi and there were no issues but sounds like they are no longer non profit. They took such wonderful care of them also. They were such a blessing for us and our family in hospice. Last September hubby's sister was in hospice for over a month - she didn't have insurance but they took her with no questions asked. (Different state than we live). Must be state to state. Make sure to look into your mom's Medicaid eligibility - this is financial based. She is allowed to keep a certain amount of assets, the rest will go towards her care, and then when those excess assets are gone, Medicaid would kick in. You need to start that process now - they don't exactly move quickly.
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 6, 2015 13:12:53 GMT
That really sucks. When my dad had lung cancer, we really struggled to care for him in the end. It was especially hard on my mom. And at the time, I had a 1 year old and 4 year old. We were fortunate that my dad's sister and husband came down that last week to care for him.
I'm so sorry. I know how hard this must be for you.
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