finaledition
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Post by finaledition on Jul 10, 2014 16:36:39 GMT
The airplane entitlement thread reminded me of a entitled/nutter that I sat next to earlier this year. It was a cross country 5 hour flight and I was in the middle seat. On the aisle was a lady who had a dog in a carrier. The moment she sat down she got the dog out of the carrier and put a blanket over the dog, a la an I Love Lucy episode, so the dog is hidden. Well the dog hated being under the blanket so she finally just let the dog lay on her lap, but the dog's head was on our shared armrest and with its entire head on my side. I like dogs, but this dog had the worst breath and it's in my small space and she says nothing. A bit later the dog starts doing the potty whine so she take the dog and a piddle pad to the bathroom. And I guess that's what you have to do, but I'm just annoyed at this point. But the kicker is the dog starts whining again so she gets up to grab another piddle pad and puts the dog on the seat and the dog pees on her seat. She sees it happening and takes her hand and brushes it onto the floor and then just sits down!!   :sick:So she has urine covered hand and a wet bum and pretends it never happened. When we were descending, the stewardess told her to crate the dog and she refused. When we go off I told the flight attendant she might want to clean that seat. I looked up Jet Blue's policy and the dog was supposed to be crated the entire flight. I emailed customer service and they credited me $50 for the inconvenience-big whoop. I like dogs, dogs, I've had several dogs, but I just think this crossed the line and she should have abided by the rules for traveling with dogs. |
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 10, 2014 17:01:23 GMT
Where was the staff all this time? Did they not come around with drinks or food or something?
Oh well if she refused to crate at landing time guess she would have refused all along. And it's not like they can stop and make her get off.
I like animals but not in my space.
I would have waited until she stood to get off and tapped her on the shoulder and in a large voice said "Oh my, it looks like you wet yourself."
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Post by quiltz on Jul 10, 2014 18:13:18 GMT
I simply do not understand about having pets on the airplane with the human. There are places where the crated animal can be stored during the flight. What about people with allergies? Personally, they should have to pay for a separate seat for the animal.
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Post by cmpeter on Jul 10, 2014 18:26:12 GMT
I would have said something to the flight attendants as soon as the dog's body and breath started encroaching into my space. Probably would have talked to them privately when I got up to stretch my legs or go to the bathroom.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jul 10, 2014 18:32:24 GMT
I simply do not understand about having pets on the airplane with the human. There are places where the crated animal can be stored during the flight. What about people with allergies? Personally, they should have to pay for a separate seat for the animal. "Air travel is not just stressful for animals. It can be dangerous, no matter how smooth the landing, timely the departure or friendly the flight attendants" I would never put my dog into the care of an airline. Period. Though, I would gladly pay for a seat on the plane for my dog. However, I would not let it pee on the seat...yuck! |
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Post by ChicagoKTS on Jul 10, 2014 18:32:35 GMT
Oh my. I can't even guess what I would have done in that situation. I love dogs but that crosses way over the line of decent behavior by a human.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 10, 2014 18:35:50 GMT
That's disgusting.
I would have been the asshole on the flight that would have told the stewardess that the dog was uncrated the second it happened.
I don't particularly love dogs, but I don't hate them. But I also don't put myself in positions where I am exposed to dogs. Flying on a plane should not be a situation when you have to deal with dogs.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 18:37:36 GMT
I simply do not understand about having pets on the airplane with the human. There are places where the crated animal can be stored during the flight. What about people with allergies? Personally, they should have to pay for a separate seat for the animal. Because animals traveling in cargo die and are injured numerous times. Especially smaller ones. The owners do pay a premium to have their pet in the cabin. If you have severe allergies you can request a per free flight but have to do it early before pets are booked. I've traveled with a cat and a dog on a plane with no issues. No one even knew they were there. What the woman did in the op is NOT right or the norm. |
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 10, 2014 18:41:01 GMT
I simply do not understand about having pets on the airplane with the human. There are places where the crated animal can be stored during the flight. What about people with allergies? Personally, they should have to pay for a separate seat for the animal. |
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Post by padresfan619 on Jul 10, 2014 18:53:02 GMT
I was on a plane recently with a man who was vomiting in his air sick bag before they even shut the door. Luckily we weren't in the same aisle, but he was close enough that a full 24 hours after the flight I had severe vomiting and diarrhea. Two days into my vacation! It was horrible. I can't believe he got on a plane when he was so violently ill. I ended up contacting the airline, not for any kind of compensation, but to find out if anyone else reported getting sick! There was a small toddler in front of us, I hope she didn't get sick too.
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Post by kimpossible on Jul 10, 2014 18:56:20 GMT
There was a lady in the row in front of me late last year on a flight that had a small dog with her. The flight attendant told her to put the dog in the crate (as would be expected). Well, she starts a back and forth bickering with the flight attendant and produces a note from her physician that states the dog is not to be put in the crate during the flight because this lady has an anxiety problem (yes - we all got to hear about her anxiety issue in great detail). She claims that holding the dog helps her maintain herself during the flight. Ummmm...crazy already - what is she like without the dog.
Fortunately the flight was not completely full and the flight attendant went out of her way to find a new seat for the guy in her row (there was an empty seat between them. He was happy to move. The dog got to stay on her lap and then of course - as all would have predicted he got to run around on the 2 empty seats she now had in her row.
I don't agree with this new trend about the dogs being on the planes. Its hard on the pets, not to mention the other passengers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 18:58:32 GMT
There was a lady in the row in front of me late last year on a flight that had a small dog with her. The flight attendant told her to put the dog in the crate (as would be expected). Well, she starts a back and forth bickering with the flight attendant and produces a note from her physician that states the dog is not to be put in the crate during the flight because this lady has an anxiety problem (yes - we all got to hear about her anxiety issue in great detail). She claims that holding the dog helps her maintain herself during the flight. Ummmm...crazy already - what is she like without the dog. Fortunately the flight was not completely full and the flight attendant went out of her way to find a new seat for the guy in her row (there was an empty seat between them. He was happy to move. The dog got to stay on her lap and then of course - as all would have predicted he got to run around on the 2 empty seats she now had in her row. I don't agree with this new trend about the dogs being on the planes. Its hard on the pets, not to mention the other passengers. That's a service animal and disability laws allow her to have her animal with her. Same as a blind passenger. You really think that shouldn't be allowed!? And as for the rest sometimes there is no choice but to fly an animal. What other choice should the owners take? Abandon it? I just wish people would think first. There are real reasons for this. |
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Post by kimpossible on Jul 10, 2014 19:06:02 GMT
That may be true that it was a service animal but the flight attendant wasn't too sure because the passenger hadnt notified the airline prior to the flight and produced paperwork that would have alerted them to that. If that makes sense. Flight attendant kept asking for paperwork from the airline that she did not have.
On another flight I sat across the aisle from a nearly completely blind man. He had a wonderful service dog that was so well behaved the entire flight. He got lots of attention from myself and a few other dog lovers on the flight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 19:09:09 GMT
That may be true that it was a service animal but the flight attendant wasn't too sure because the passenger hadnt notified the airline prior to the flight and produced paperwork that would have alerted them to that. If that makes sense. Flight attendant kept asking for paperwork from the airline that she did not have. On another flight I sat across the aisle from a nearly completely blind man. He had a wonderful service dog that was so well behaved the entire flight. He got lots of attention from myself and a few other dog lovers on the flight. Yes she needs to contact the airline 48 hours prior to the flight. Not sure about paperwork though. Each airline is different but I thought ADA gave them the right without hindrance. |
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Post by kimpossible on Jul 10, 2014 19:13:08 GMT
From American's website: "To make arrangements for the transportation of an emotional support or psychiatric service animal, please call Reservations at 1-800-433-7300 at least 48 hours before your flight. We require current documentation dated (no later than one (1) year from the date of the passenger's scheduled initial flight) by submitting the required documentation (PDF) by fax to 817-967-4715 or email to sacdesk.sro@aa.com. If we are unable to validate the documentation, or if the advance notification is not provided, the animal will be permitted to travel as a pet, and a kennel and pet fee will be required." AA Service Animal PolicyI don't know about all airlines, but this one does require paperwork before and that it be validated |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 19:15:26 GMT
From American's website: "To make arrangements for the transportation of an emotional support or psychiatric service animal, please call Reservations at 1-800-433-7300 at least 48 hours before your flight. We require current documentation dated (no later than one (1) year from the date of the passenger's scheduled initial flight) by submitting the required documentation (PDF) by fax to 817-967-4715 or email to sacdesk.sro@aa.com. If we are unable to validate the documentation, or if the advance notification is not provided, the animal will be permitted to travel as a pet, and a kennel and pet fee will be required." AA Service Animal PolicyI don't know about all airlines, but this one does require paperwork before and that it be validated That doesn't mean it is ADA compliant though. Anyway pets in the cabin is not new and not going away. People just need to deal. |
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 10, 2014 19:15:34 GMT
I would have said something to the flight attendants as soon as the dog's body and breath started encroaching into my space. Probably would have talked to them privately when I got up to stretch my legs or go to the bathroom. Flight Attendant - that's what they are called. In my post I called them staff because I couldn't think of the unisex name. Thank you.  |
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Post by akathy on Jul 10, 2014 19:17:39 GMT
I've taken my dog on many flights and have always been told by airline personal that she must be zipped up in her carrier under the seat in front of me for the entire flight. My dog is very used to it and most people don't even know I have a dog with me. I take her water and food away the night before, potty her before I leave home and she is good for 8 or more hours. Doesn't sound like your seatmate prepared for the flight at all. Potty pads in a restroom used by people and little kids? Not OK!
I would've summoned the flight attendant the minute she removed the dog from the carrier. If her dog was a service dog she wouldn't have been trying to hide it. Plus every service dog I've seen are trained much better than that!
ETA: By the way, I do pay for my dog to travel. It cost $200 each way and she still has to be under the seat in front of me. They will not sell a seat to a dog. She is considered my carry on and does not get frequent flier miles even though her flights cost almost as much as mine.
Oh and my dog is a havanese. They don't shed and are considered hypoallergenic.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 10, 2014 20:31:37 GMT
I have no problem with dogs on flights. I don't really want one peeing on the furniture.
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Post by mallie on Jul 10, 2014 20:39:41 GMT
I simply do not understand about having pets on the airplane with the human. There are places where the crated animal can be stored during the flight. What about people with allergies? Personally, they should have to pay for a separate seat for the animal. We saw an incident last year on Delta. A woman had a cat in a carrier. While everyone was still boarding, the FA told her that once the plane was in the air, she was welcome to let the cat out of the carrier. I was astonished. I think the pet owner was too, because she said, "I'm not sure that is a good idea. The cat is not going to just sit on my lap, you know." The FA said, "Well, that's okay. I'm sure everyone would love to have the cat visit them." At that point, a man in front of them stood up and said, "I would NOT! I am very allergic to cats and in fact, I would like to change my seat if a cat is going to be under it." The FA absolutely refused and told him he had to disembark. A scene resulted. Eventually a man in the Economy Comfort up front offered to change with the guy and the FA had an absolute fit. It was unbelievable, really. The poor pet owner kept apologizing and insisting that she was not going to let the cat out of the carrier and the FA kept telling her she should and that people with allergies should drive their car instead of buying plane tickets. I actually wrote Delta afterwards and they told me that people with allergies need to specify when booking their ticket that they cannot be seated next/near pets and even then, there is no guarantee. |
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Post by woodysbetty on Jul 10, 2014 20:42:29 GMT
Airplanes make people do really crazy things!!
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Post by wenchie on Jul 10, 2014 20:52:41 GMT
There was a lady in the row in front of me late last year on a flight that had a small dog with her. The flight attendant told her to put the dog in the crate (as would be expected). Well, she starts a back and forth bickering with the flight attendant and produces a note from her physician that states the dog is not to be put in the crate during the flight because this lady has an anxiety problem (yes - we all got to hear about her anxiety issue in great detail). She claims that holding the dog helps her maintain herself during the flight. Ummmm...crazy already - what is she like without the dog. Fortunately the flight was not completely full and the flight attendant went out of her way to find a new seat for the guy in her row (there was an empty seat between them. He was happy to move. The dog got to stay on her lap and then of course - as all would have predicted he got to run around on the 2 empty seats she now had in her row. I don't agree with this new trend about the dogs being on the planes. Its hard on the pets, not to mention the other passengers. That's a service animal and disability laws allow her to have her animal with her. Same as a blind passenger. You really think that shouldn't be allowed!? And as for the rest sometimes there is no choice but to fly an animal. What other choice should the owners take? Abandon it? I just wish people would think first. There are real reasons for this. I don't believe the ADA recognizes service animals for psycologjcal disabilies. I could be wrong but that is my understanding. And *if* if wAs truly a service animal having it wander around is not assisting her in any way therefor it is not "serving" her disability. I think she was someone with a pet that she wants with her and that is not a service animal. I could be wrong <shrug> |
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jul 10, 2014 21:24:44 GMT
I found the above with a quick google search.
I will also add that I personally know someone who had her dog declared a "service animal" in order to get around him not being allowed in many of the apartment complexes she was looking into. He's a Doberman and many rental companies had that breed on a "not allowed" list. But now that he's miraculously a service dog, they couldn't turn her down.
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Post by jetscat on Jul 11, 2014 0:41:12 GMT
I fly at least 3-5 segments a week and had a service dog/trainer sit beside me once. He was a big dog and needed to stay under the handlers seat, but he was so big, he took up my space as well. I'm not a dog person at all, but he was very sweet and he did keep my feet warm!
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jul 11, 2014 1:18:49 GMT
From American's website: "To make arrangements for the transportation of an emotional support or psychiatric service animal, please call Reservations at 1-800-433-7300 at least 48 hours before your flight. We require current documentation dated (no later than one (1) year from the date of the passenger's scheduled initial flight) by submitting the required documentation (PDF) by fax to 817-967-4715 or email to sacdesk.sro@aa.com. If we are unable to validate the documentation, or if the advance notification is not provided, the animal will be permitted to travel as a pet, and a kennel and pet fee will be required." AA Service Animal PolicyI don't know about all airlines, but this one does require paperwork before and that it be validated The way I read that is: if you want your service dog to fly FOR FREE, then you need to submit the paperwork. Otherwise, they'll treat it as any other pet. That doesn't mean you need documentation to get the animal on board. |
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Post by finaledition on Jul 11, 2014 4:40:10 GMT
The flight was full so there was no place for me to go. On the flight to NYC I ended up sitting next to a do as well. But it was a much different scenario- the couple was deaf and I could tell very nervous about flying. The dog was out most of the flight but didn't encroach on my space. So with this return flight I really was unsure of the airline policy and the fact that attendant did not say anything to the woman until we were landing, I was unsure. It was not until I got home and read up and it says quite clearly, "All pets must remain inside the pet carrier while at the airport and onboard the aircraft."
i really feel it's up to the attendants to enforce this policy or at least attempt to. I don't think they should be accommodating their animal passengers before their human passengers. Now that I'm more aware I definitely would have handled the situation differently.
Reading some of these other stories, I can't believe some people. I don't know why this stuff always surprises me.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Jul 11, 2014 23:02:27 GMT
Service animals are a non-issue to me. They are to be allowed to go wherever their owner needs to go. End of story.
That being said, to my knowledge they are trained to stay put and not interact w/other people. Completely different scenario than what was described here.
FWIW, I am a little afraid of dogs. I would not have been comfortable at all w/that dog leaning on the arm rest, etc. Why is that woman's rights more important than her seatmate's?
And the cat story? Are you kidding? People who have allergies should drive? The scariest part of that story is that she's the one who's supposed to be helping people if the plane crashes . . .
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 11, 2014 23:09:15 GMT
I can't get over how gross it is that the woman's dog peed on the seat and she cleaned it with her hand and and then sat in it. I'd have been horrified if it was my dog and would have cleaned the seat with whatever I could have gotten from the flight attendants/bathroom.
That said, I fly pretty regularly and have never had an issue with any animal on a flight. Babies on the other hand... maybe they should ride in cargo? Ha!
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 12, 2014 0:03:26 GMT
A real service animal would not bother me. They are well trained, and know to stay near their companion. But a dog breathing bad breath, peeing on the seat, and taking over my area is not ok. I would have said something.
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Post by annabella on Jul 12, 2014 0:52:51 GMT
I flew American Airlines a few weeks ago to Los Angeles so 5 hour flight. The woman in front of me had a small dog that sat on a pillow on her lap the whole way. I was really impressed that the dog never had to go to the bathroom. But yes I would be really annoyed if a stranger's dog was on my armrest.
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:sick:So she has urine covered hand and a wet bum and pretends it never happened. When we were descending, the stewardess told her to crate the dog and she refused. 
