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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 22, 2015 20:45:13 GMT
I don't want to read thru the whole article and police report again, so could someone please tell me what sort of counseling he underwent?? I thought I read that at first they said it was counseling, but later admitted it was just sending him to a family friend so he could do physical labor and be away from the girls... and just got a 'stern talking-to' from some church members. To me, that doesn't sound like he had any *actual, professional* counseling. eta: ewwww... I just read some of the comments on the blog post- I had to quit reading after only 10 or 11 of them.
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Post by Olan on May 22, 2015 20:50:46 GMT
I don't want to read thru the whole article and police report again, so could someone please tell me what sort of counseling he underwent?? I thought I read that at first they said it was counseling, but later admitted it was just sending him to a family friend so he could do physical labor and be away from the girls... and just got a 'stern talking-to' from some church members. To me, that doesn't sound like he had any *actual, professional* counseling. Someone suggested he be sent to a "camp" that legitimately deals with troubled youth but they decided those places were more like criminal finishing schools and wanted it to have a Christian feel. You know they didn't want a car thief to influence their son, a potential rapist. He went to some camp ran by a family friend and former LEO. He also received a stern "talking to" from a pedophile and family friend who is currently serving 50 some odd years in prison. So yeah the Duggars used total transparency and perfect judgement. :rollseyes:
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 20:52:07 GMT
I don't want to read thru the whole article and police report again, so could someone please tell me what sort of counseling he underwent?? I thought I read that at first they said it was counseling, but later admitted it was just sending him to a family friend so he could do physical labor and be away from the girls... and just got a 'stern talking-to' from some church members. To me, that doesn't sound like he had any *actual, professional* counseling. eta: ewwww... I just read some of the comments on the blog post- I had to quit reading after only 10 or 11 of them. It says he had some counseling, in addition to the hard labor. He may not have had any professional counseling. It seems they take the idea of sin, especially sexual sin seriously enough that it seems likely to me that he would have had more than just some "stern talking to". Julie
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 20:55:01 GMT
When I read that one of the victims weren't family the first thing I wondered was if it was any of the girls from The Bates family. They were often on the show with the Duggers and stayed with them. I wondered if it was cousin Amy. If it is, I hope she writes a crazy-popular tell all book and then uses her fortune to save her cousins from that madhouse. Free Jinger! Free Joy! Free Jana!
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 21:03:35 GMT
I know I am going to regret this, but I am going to give my opinion anyway. I don't think that a 14 year old boy is irredeemable. I don't think that committing these crimes as a young teen means that he will forever be a pedophile. I think that when it is caught at that age it can be overcome. His crimes were never made public knowledge. However, neither were they swept under the rug and forgotten about. He was sent away, he had counseling, the girls had counseling (some may think not enough or not the right kind, but that is speculation, not fact.) It was told to people at church. It was told to other people they were close with. Because so many people were told it seems to me that they were setting him up to be accountable and for people to keep an eye on him. He has always talked about his struggles and that he had wrong thoughts. He didn't say what they were, but it seems that lots of people close to the family knew about it. I think it is possible to commit a crime and a sin and be forgiven. There are still consequences, but forgiveness is possible. Maybe the sisters have forgiven him. Maybe they do not feel like they were being forced to live with their violator. Maybe they do not feel damaged. I have seen a few random episodes here and there, but was never a regular watcher. I wonder if he was left alone with the girls when he returned back from his "punishment". I am surprised that a police report on a minor can be made public. Julie How can his victims/sisters not feel damaged when so much of their self worth is wrapped up in being chaste before marriage. I have a hard time extending grace and forgiveness to myself let alone the perpetrator of my assault and I think it's asking a lot of the Duggar girls to forgive repeated molestion. I can not speak for the girls. No one here can. We all bring our own experiences to the table, but that's all they are, our own. We can't make a judgement on how anyone else will feel. My feelings are the complete opposite of yours. I was assaulted by 2 separate people once as a very young girl and also as a teenager. I never even gave a thought to extending grace and forgiveness to myself. There was nothing to forgive, I did nothing wrong. Julie
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 21:07:22 GMT
I know I am going to regret this, but I am going to give my opinion anyway. I don't think that a 14 year old boy is irredeemable. I don't think that committing these crimes as a young teen means that he will forever be a pedophile. I think that when it is caught at that age it can be overcome. His crimes were never made public knowledge. However, neither were they swept under the rug and forgotten about. He was sent away, he had counseling, the girls had counseling (some may think not enough or not the right kind, but that is speculation, not fact.) It was told to people at church. It was told to other people they were close with. Because so many people were told it seems to me that they were setting him up to be accountable and for people to keep an eye on him. His mother said he didn't really get counselling. And he assaulted multiple people. One of who might have been as young as four years old. Would you leave children that you love in his care?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 21:08:15 GMT
Here is what I get. Sometimes things really, really horrible happen in families that are good. It upends them, throws them for a loop and not always are these things handled correctly. I would be devastated if my daughter came to me and said, "brother has been molesting me". I love my daughter with my whole heart. I love my sons with my whole heart. Could you even imagine? I can see parents trying to save the victims and the abuser. I can see making mistakes and missteps that are only apparent in hindsight. I have no doubt the Duggar's love their children equally regardless of sex and they *thought they were handling the situation in the best interest of them all-- obviously they weren't but I believe that was their intention. BUT, with a big ole skeleton like that in my familial closet I can NOT see, after the fact, pursuing a contract to put my family in the media spotlight as America's moral compass. How naive could they have been to think that would never come out and devastate the entire family once more? No Way! If I found myself in that position I certainly wouldn't be pointing out other people's shortcomings. How smug does that make them? so like I said, I get things happen to good people, but these people are smug hypocrites. I totally agree with this post. I have no doubt the Duggars thought they were handling the situation correctly. But with something this devastating, why did they risk it coming to light and potentially destroying their daughters, who we're pretty sure are the victims? By putting themselves in the spotlight, they painted big ol' targets on themselves. And now their children are going to suffer even more for it.
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Post by Olan on May 22, 2015 21:09:54 GMT
How can his victims/sisters not feel damaged when so much of their self worth is wrapped up in being chaste before marriage. I have a hard time extending grace and forgiveness to myself let alone the perpetrator of my assault and I think it's asking a lot of the Duggar girls to forgive repeated molestion. I can not speak for the girls. No one here can. We all bring our own experiences to the table, but that's all they are, our own. We can't make a judgement on how anyone else will feel. My feelings are the complete opposite of yours. I was assaulted by 2 separate people once as a very young girl and also as a teenager. I never even gave a thought to extending grace and forgiveness to myself. There was nothing to forgive, I did nothing wrong. Julie So I guess my question to you is how could they NOT feel damaged given their upbringing. Did you forgive your attacker? I just don't get how women can think let alone verbalize some of the things I've read on this thread.
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Post by tenakee on May 22, 2015 21:20:53 GMT
Reading replies on their blog was sickening. "this to shall pass, everyone makes a mistake, why drag this up now". Disgusting. And NO disparaging remarks or real questions about either the behavior or the victims anywhere to be seen. All just warm fuzzy love and support (and blessings, blech) for the perp and the family as a whole. Someone must be very, very busy deleting and sanitizing!!
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Post by georgiapea on May 22, 2015 21:29:50 GMT
Those interviews were tough to read. It seemed that some of his sisters accepted that what he did was wrong but that it was over. My heart broke for the one who said she "does not feel safe at home". I gasped when reading the interview where the child acknowledged they were all spanked "with a rod".
Josh's calling his parents to come home because he'd done it again and "needed forgiveness" was the worst. Them forgiving him was going to make it all right? OMG! It doesn't appear that the girls every got any help for what he did to them.
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Post by rst on May 22, 2015 21:40:32 GMT
So I guess that all that "blanket training" Josh had as a young child didn't really work so well in teaching him not to touch what was forbidden.
If you're not familiar with the blanket training idea -- a young child, just old enough to crawl, is placed on a blanket and told not to "transgress" off the blanket. When/if he does, he is "rebuked" (spanked). Repeatedly, until he learns to obey. Then it's ramped up a notch. A favorite toy is placed just out of reach off the blanket, and the child is again "trained" to obey with spankings if they transgress and reach for the toy.
In the early years the Duggars openly shared this as a valid parenting technique. It was fairly widespread in use with people who were hardline Bill Gotthard fans -- I remember families who did it when I was a child.
Problem is, it just doesn't work.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 22, 2015 21:43:54 GMT
What "outlets" does my non-duggar son have that Josh didn't? My son doesn't have unsupervised access to the internet, just like Josh. He doesn't have the means to buy pornography, just like Josh. My son actually has fewer close relationships with females than Josh does with all those sisters. The curiosity and outlet excuses are gross. He committed a sexually criminal act, several times. Well, and I have seen similar arguments in a lot of places about "healthy exploration" through dating which, I am just going to say, there are pleeeeenty of 14/15-year-old boys who are not getting who do not live in fundamentalist families. Either because their parents will not let them date at that age, or because even if they could date in theory, the opportunity is not ... presenting itself. I can't argue that this family's weird sexual dynamics, where they are pretty much dry-humping in front of their kids while telling their kids "you can't do anything until marriage," doesn't mess with them a lot, but I don't think even that is turning their kids into child molesters. Anyhow, what their lifestyle does do is isolate these kids so when they do get victimized, they have nowhere to go. Their school is their parents. Their church is their parents. Their friends all live in their home and are related to them. They are also told to "keep a joyous countenance” and "keep sweet" in public, and that even looking at women who are "inappropriate dressed" will defraud them, so even when they are off the compound, they are being told to keep themselves fake and apart. THAT contributes to the abuse, because they can't get a sense of what is normal, and even if their normal-meters ping, they have nowhere to turn. I agree that many 14-15 year olds don't date for whatever reason. But *most* kids that age have access to members of the opposite sex that they can/do fantasize about. People they see at school, school crushes, tv stars, the Victoria Secret ad mom got in the mail, YouTube, whatever. Now I've never watched the show, but I'm assuming that they only members of the opposite sex these kids are ever exposed to are family. If they start to fantasize about family members, then repeatedly have those fantasies then I would think there'd be an increased chance they'd act on those fantasies if the opportunity presented itself. Now, I am in NO WAY excusing his behavior or his parents' behavior in covering it up. What he did is not normal and is inexcusable. But I do think the very isolated lifestyle they lead plays a part in how this could have occurred.
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Post by sharlag on May 22, 2015 21:52:24 GMT
But I do think the very isolated lifestyle they lead plays a part in how this could have occurred. I don't know about this. What do the experts say?
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 22, 2015 21:55:34 GMT
Honestly, their whole isolated lifestyle of homeschooling, no interactions with outsiders, no dating, etc. did lead me to think a bit of the whole Flowers in the Attic type thing (what little I can remember of it, anyway...). I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong and criminal (it clearly was) and I don't watch the show regularly, but I do think that overall, their family interactions aren't normal (to my standards) by any means.
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Post by mommythree on May 22, 2015 21:56:34 GMT
I just posted my comment on there, and iam sure it wont be ''APPROVED", it seems they only post comments of support...ugh...the whole thing is just disgusting! How arrogant of them to think they could have a tv show with their out of touch, holier than thou lifestyle....all the while this bombshell is sitting in their closet...just disgusting!! I feel for the victims....never getting a voice, that's the biggest sham of all.
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 22:00:49 GMT
I know I am going to regret this, but I am going to give my opinion anyway. I don't think that a 14 year old boy is irredeemable. I don't think that committing these crimes as a young teen means that he will forever be a pedophile. I think that when it is caught at that age it can be overcome. His crimes were never made public knowledge. However, neither were they swept under the rug and forgotten about. He was sent away, he had counseling, the girls had counseling (some may think not enough or not the right kind, but that is speculation, not fact.) It was told to people at church. It was told to other people they were close with. Because so many people were told it seems to me that they were setting him up to be accountable and for people to keep an eye on him. His mother said he didn't really get counselling. And he assaulted multiple people. One of who might have been as young as four years old. Would you leave children that you love in his care? I absolutely not would leave any children in his care. I don't know if they did or not. However, if my child showed genuine remorse and commitment to change I would still allow them to be part of the family. I wouldn't leave him unsupervised with the kids, but if the victims were not opposed to it I would allow him to remain with the family. It seems that Michelle was saying he didn't have professional counseling, but in other places it does state that he and the girls did have some counseling. So as I said it may not have been the right kind or enough, but we don't know that for sure, so I won't speculate nor assume. I think it says a lot though that they shared it with others. They were not trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. Julie
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Post by lumo on May 22, 2015 22:04:17 GMT
His mother said he didn't really get counselling. And he assaulted multiple people. One of who might have been as young as four years old. Would you leave children that you love in his care? I absolutely not would leave any children in his care. I don't know if they did or not. However, if my child showed genuine remorse and commitment to change I would still allow them to be part of the family. I wouldn't leave him unsupervised with the kids, but if the victims were not opposed to it I would allow him to remain with the family. It seems that Michelle was saying he didn't have professional counseling, but in other places it does state that he and the girls did have some counseling. So as I said it may not have been the right kind or enough, but we don't know that for sure, so I won't speculate nor assume. I think it says a lot though that they shared it with others. They were not trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. Julie They didn't share this information willingly. It only came out due to the Freedom of Information Act. I feel certain that if it weren't for that, the general public would never have heard a peep.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 22:05:13 GMT
His mother said he didn't really get counselling. And he assaulted multiple people. One of who might have been as young as four years old. Would you leave children that you love in his care? I absolutely not would leave any children in his care. I don't know if they did or not. However, if my child showed genuine remorse and commitment to change I would still allow them to be part of the family. I wouldn't leave him unsupervised with the kids, but if the victims were not opposed to it I would allow him to remain with the family. It seems that Michelle was saying he didn't have professional counseling, but in other places it does state that he and the girls did have some counseling. So as I said it may not have been the right kind or enough, but we don't know that for sure, so I won't speculate nor assume. I think it says a lot though that they shared it with others. They were not trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. Julie Huh? They didn't share anything. They kept it hidden for over a year. Then still didn't follow the correct channels nor do anything to help the victims. And now it came out due to the FOIA.
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Post by Linda on May 22, 2015 22:16:21 GMT
I'm very grateful that I've never had to face this situation with my children - I think it's very hard to tell how one would react when not faced with the situation. I've had to call the police on one of my children (different circumstances) and it was the hardest thing I've EVER had to do parenting-wise.
As a minor victim myself - I pray that the girls received counselling and support - and that they are continuing to receive counselling and support now with it all being dredged back up again.
I do hesitate to label Josh a paedophile without evidence that he's continued to offend or been tempted to offend into adulthood. I agree with those who have mentioned that paedophile DO continue to re-offend and that treatment rarely works. However YOUTH sexual offenders (which is what Josh was) are actually much LESS likely to continue to re-offend especically into adulthood - some do, the majority do not.
That doesn't excuse what he did - it was wrong -I don't think anyone, even his parents or himself - denies that it was wrong. But the thought process and maturity of a 14 year old is not the same as an adult. They do stupid things, wrong things, they don't think through what they are doing and yes, sometimes those mistakes have lifelong consequences for themselves and others. But there is a reason that we have a juvenile justice system that is separate from the adult system and a reason why juvenile records are usually sealed- it's because children (and a 14 y/o IS still a child) aren't just short adults.
It's quite likely that Josh has also been abused - again - that DOES NOT excuse his behaviour. But it is well-known that abused children are more likely to abuse others and more likely to act out sexually. Again doesn't make it right - abuse is NEVER ok, no matter what precipitated it.
I will say that vilifying a person for life based on their actions as a teen - that makes me uncomfortable. People CAN change. People CAN learn from their mistakes and become a better person. Does everyone? NO but writing Josh(or any other person) off completely based on their teen behaviour/mistakes/crimes is wrong.
Prayers for his victims and for all impacted by these events
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 22:20:50 GMT
I can not speak for the girls. No one here can. We all bring our own experiences to the table, but that's all they are, our own. We can't make a judgement on how anyone else will feel. My feelings are the complete opposite of yours. I was assaulted by 2 separate people once as a very young girl and also as a teenager. I never even gave a thought to extending grace and forgiveness to myself. There was nothing to forgive, I did nothing wrong. Julie So I guess my question to you is how could they NOT feel damaged given their upbringing. Did you forgive your attacker? I just don't get how women can think let alone verbalize some of the things I've read on this thread. As I said, we all bring our own experiences to the table. I have been a Christian since I was a young girl, I have always believed in reserving sexual activity for marriage and I did not feel damaged and shamed because of my assaults, so I will not assume that those girls do. They may very well feel that way, but I will not jump to that conclusion. I did forgive my violators. I honestly do not think of them that much. The person I have had the hardest time forgiving is my mother because she blamed me. Julie
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 22:27:56 GMT
I absolutely not would leave any children in his care. I don't know if they did or not. However, if my child showed genuine remorse and commitment to change I would still allow them to be part of the family. I wouldn't leave him unsupervised with the kids, but if the victims were not opposed to it I would allow him to remain with the family. It seems that Michelle was saying he didn't have professional counseling, but in other places it does state that he and the girls did have some counseling. So as I said it may not have been the right kind or enough, but we don't know that for sure, so I won't speculate nor assume. I think it says a lot though that they shared it with others. They were not trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. Julie He has 3 (or 4?) of his own children. In my opinion, they shouldn't be left in his care unless he has an assessment and treatment by a qualified therapist who has a specialty in sexual offending behaviours. The burden is on him no matter how much time has passed. We should be assuming that he is a threat, as he has been, until he demonstrates otherwise not the other way around. Aside, I'm all for accessing pastoral counselling or whatever if you want to talk about boosting your self-esteem, if you need a sounding board, or if you need bereavement support. I have no doubt that there are lots of areas In which unlicensed therapists can be enormously helpful. But, when you sexually assault your siblings and other vulnerable girls....that requires people with a specialty in the area, both for his assessment and treatment and theirs. I'm puzzled by the assertion that they shared it with others. It seems that the story was that a letter was found in a book that lead to a family friend going to the police years after the incident.
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Post by suzastampin on May 22, 2015 22:31:31 GMT
This article said they pulled the show...not sure if it is permanent or temporary 19 kids and countingI just heard that on the news. And, I saw where Mama June was thinking of suing TLC because they cancelled her show so quickly and hadn't done the same with the Duggers.
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 22:31:35 GMT
I absolutely not would leave any children in his care. I don't know if they did or not. However, if my child showed genuine remorse and commitment to change I would still allow them to be part of the family. I wouldn't leave him unsupervised with the kids, but if the victims were not opposed to it I would allow him to remain with the family. It seems that Michelle was saying he didn't have professional counseling, but in other places it does state that he and the girls did have some counseling. So as I said it may not have been the right kind or enough, but we don't know that for sure, so I won't speculate nor assume. I think it says a lot though that they shared it with others. They were not trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. Julie They didn't share this information willingly. It only came out due to the Freedom of Information Act. I feel certain that if it weren't for that, the general public would never have heard a peep. No, that is not what I am talking about. As I said earlier, they shared it with people in their circle. It was shared in their church, they shared it with friends. They sought to help him, teach him how to control his thoughts and actions and be accountable. They didn't just sweep it under a rug and never talk about it again. I don't think a 14 year old boy is hardened to the point that they can not change and will become a pedophile. I believe that at that age there is still hope. They didn't share the specifics with the public. I am surprised that crimes committed by a minor are allowed to be made public info. I know to everyone it is unimaginable that their 14 year old child could ever commit such crimes. But if he did would you make it public info and let him be forever tarnished by it or would you seek to help the child and hope he could overcome and go on to be a honorable man? Would you give him the chance? Julie
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 22:31:45 GMT
I absolutely not would leave any children in his care. I don't know if they did or not. However, if my child showed genuine remorse and commitment to change I would still allow them to be part of the family. I wouldn't leave him unsupervised with the kids, but if the victims were not opposed to it I would allow him to remain with the family. It seems that Michelle was saying he didn't have professional counseling, but in other places it does state that he and the girls did have some counseling. So as I said it may not have been the right kind or enough, but we don't know that for sure, so I won't speculate nor assume. I think it says a lot though that they shared it with others. They were not trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. Julie He has 3 (or 4?) of his own children. In my opinion, they shouldn't be left in his care unless he has an assessment and treatment by a qualified therapist who has a specialty in sexual offending behaviours. The burden is on him no matter how much time has passed. We should be assuming that he is a threat, as he has been, until he demonstrates otherwise not the other way around. Aside, I'm all for accessing pastoral counselling or whatever if you want to talk about boosting your self-esteem, if you need a sounding board, or if you need bereavement support. I have no doubt that there are lots of areas In which unlicensed therapists can be enormously helpful. But, when you sexually assault your siblings and other vulnerable girls....that requires people with a specialty in the area, both for his assessment and treatment and theirs. I'm puzzled by the assertion that they shared it with others. It seems that the story was that a letter was found in a book that lead to a family friend going to the police years after the incident. totally agree with the bolded part
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 22:34:17 GMT
I'm very grateful that I've never had to face this situation with my children - I think it's very hard to tell how one would react when not faced with the situation. I've had to call the police on one of my children (different circumstances) and it was the hardest thing I've EVER had to do parenting-wise. As a minor victim myself - I pray that the girls received counselling and support - and that they are continuing to receive counselling and support now with it all being dredged back up again. I do hesitate to label Josh a paedophile without evidence that he's continued to offend or been tempted to offend into adulthood. I agree with those who have mentioned that paedophile DO continue to re-offend and that treatment rarely works. However YOUTH sexual offenders (which is what Josh was) are actually much LESS likely to continue to re-offend especically into adulthood - some do, the majority do not. That doesn't excuse what he did - it was wrong -I don't think anyone, even his parents or himself - denies that it was wrong. But the thought process and maturity of a 14 year old is not the same as an adult. They do stupid things, wrong things, they don't think through what they are doing and yes, sometimes those mistakes have lifelong consequences for themselves and others. But there is a reason that we have a juvenile justice system that is separate from the adult system and a reason why juvenile records are usually sealed- it's because children (and a 14 y/o IS still a child) aren't just short adults. It's quite likely that Josh has also been abused - again - that DOES NOT excuse his behaviour. But it is well-known that abused children are more likely to abuse others and more likely to act out sexually. Again doesn't make it right - abuse is NEVER ok, no matter what precipitated it. I will say that vilifying a person for life based on their actions as a teen - that makes me uncomfortable. People CAN change. People CAN learn from their mistakes and become a better person. Does everyone? NO but writing Josh(or any other person) off completely based on their teen behaviour/mistakes/crimes is wrong. Prayers for his victims and for all impacted by these events You stated your thoughts so much better than I did. I totally agree with you. Julie
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 22:38:24 GMT
I absolutely not would leave any children in his care. I don't know if they did or not. However, if my child showed genuine remorse and commitment to change I would still allow them to be part of the family. I wouldn't leave him unsupervised with the kids, but if the victims were not opposed to it I would allow him to remain with the family. It seems that Michelle was saying he didn't have professional counseling, but in other places it does state that he and the girls did have some counseling. So as I said it may not have been the right kind or enough, but we don't know that for sure, so I won't speculate nor assume. I think it says a lot though that they shared it with others. They were not trying to hide it and pretend it didn't happen. Julie He has 3 (or 4?) of his own children. In my opinion, they shouldn't be left in his care unless he has an assessment and treatment by a qualified therapist who has a specialty in sexual offending behaviours. The burden is on him no matter how much time has passed. We should be assuming that he is a threat, as he has been, until he demonstrates otherwise not the other way around. Aside, I'm all for accessing pastoral counselling or whatever if you want to talk about boosting your self-esteem, if you need a sounding board, or if you need bereavement support. I have no doubt that there are lots of areas In which unlicensed therapists can be enormously helpful. But, when you sexually assault your siblings and other vulnerable girls....that requires people with a specialty in the area, both for his assessment and treatment and theirs. I'm puzzled by the assertion that they shared it with others. It seems that the story was that a letter was found in a book that lead to a family friend going to the police years after the incident. Because the police reports said that they shared it with their church (or church elders don't remember). Anna made a statement that it was shared with her family before they even started courting. It was mentioned somewhere else about people it was shared with. I am not talking about sharing with the public in general, but sharing with their circle for accountability. Julie
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Post by LeaP on May 22, 2015 22:45:32 GMT
But I do think the very isolated lifestyle they lead plays a part in how this could have occurred. I don't know about this. What do the experts say? All of the isolation comments keep making me think of the book Flowers in the Attic (ETA crimsoncat05, missed your post). But that was fiction. The bottom line is that the Duggar parents failed to keep their daughters safe. It was not a single event, it continued over a period of time and it took a year for the parent to do anything about it. Not to mention it seems like they are not using political links to cover their tracks: Judge orders records destroyed
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 22:49:13 GMT
I don't know about this. What do the experts say? All of the isolation comments keep making me think of the book Flowers in the Attic (ETA crimsoncat05, missed your post). But that was fiction. The bottom line is that the Duggar parents failed to keep their daughters safe. It was not a single event, it continued over a period of time and it took a year for the parent to do anything about it. Not to mention it seems like they are not using political links to cover their tracks: Judge orders records destroyedNot a bit surprising at this point.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 22:54:33 GMT
I know to everyone it is unimaginable that their 14 year old child could ever commit such crimes. But if he did would you make it public info and let him be forever tarnished by it or would you seek to help the child and hope he could overcome and go on to be a honorable man? Would you give him the chance? Julie The best way to give an adolescent who has sexually offended "a chance" is to reduce the likelihood of recidivism, right? And the best way to do that? Of course, it is assessment and treatment with a clinician who has expertise in this area. Not just pinning your kids future on a wing and a prayer.
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Post by craftsbycarolyn on May 22, 2015 22:56:19 GMT
He was a child himself...naturally curious. Just sad for all involved. I don't think however that I makes him a threat to young daughters. He fondled breasts while the girls slept...wrong no doubt but at 14yrs old.... Really?
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