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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 22:58:10 GMT
Because the police reports said that they shared it with their church (or church elders don't remember). Anna made a statement that it was shared with her family before they even started courting. It was mentioned somewhere else about people it was shared with. I am not talking about sharing with the public in general, but sharing with their circle for accountability. Julie Sharing with their community is great but nobody on that list has any authority to hold them accountable. Why aren't the police, therapists, and CPS on that list?
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Post by Layce on May 22, 2015 23:03:00 GMT
I too, remember some threads about this years ago on the old twopeasinabucket NSBR board. Didn't take much research to verify that it was indeed true. So how on earth did this news fly below the radar for so long? I wouldn't have been surprised to hear of 14-year-old Josh caught hoarding a cache of girlie mags under his bed, or viewing internet porn, but no. His behavior was predatory and perverted. And it is my understanding that child molesters do not "grow out of it," which he and his family seem to be claiming. That said, I still think they are a good family but that they handled this badly, going into full CYA mode from the get-go. I need to read some of these links, and where is the Ashley Link that you all keep referring to?? Can't find it. Smoking Gun's got nothing either. Layce
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Post by grammanisi on May 22, 2015 23:14:34 GMT
How in the hell could her parents have let their daughter "date" someone that admitted to do this?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:18:12 GMT
How in the hell could her parents have let their daughter "date" someone that admitted to do this? Or, how could she have married him?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:21:54 GMT
Layce, Ashley posted this link on the prior page and the comments are full of Duggar apologists. That's what we were talking about.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 23:24:32 GMT
How in the hell could her parents have let their daughter "date" someone that admitted to do this? Or, how could she have married him? And have kids with him.
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Post by ametallichick on May 22, 2015 23:27:10 GMT
The statute of limitations may not allow them to do anything about his siblings, but isn't there anyone who is concerned about the fact that he is the father of...what, three? little girls?? I am very disturbed by that fact and also that his wife knew about the abuse before she married him. WTF??? Really? Marry an abuser? Then have 3+ kids with him? DISGUSTING!!! I don't give a shit if he was 14.
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Post by sues on May 22, 2015 23:27:31 GMT
But the thought process and maturity of a 14 year old is not the same as an adult. They do stupid things, wrong things, they don't think through what they are doing and yes, sometimes those mistakes have lifelong consequences for themselves and others.
Some actions deserve lifelong consequences. The girls he molested will have them, after all.
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Post by Linda on May 22, 2015 23:38:10 GMT
But the thought process and maturity of a 14 year old is not the same as an adult. They do stupid things, wrong things, they don't think through what they are doing and yes, sometimes those mistakes have lifelong consequences for themselves and others. Some actions deserve lifelong consequences. The girls he molested will have them, after all. he'll have lifelong consequences also - no denying that.
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Post by sues on May 22, 2015 23:42:46 GMT
Well, maybe now he will- now that this is widely known. Because before that- he went on with his merry life.
Plenty of boys go through adolescence and make it through to adulthood without molesting little girls. This wasn't a stupid decision he made as a teenager. It was the choice of a disturbed person- no less disturbed because he was young. It's disgusting and any semblance of an excuse- and God, there are plenty of defenders on line- just makes my skin crawl.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 22, 2015 23:44:44 GMT
Layce, Ashley posted this link on the prior page and the comments are full of Duggar apologists. That's what we were talking about.
Argh, I wish I hadn't clicked on the link. The comments by the Duggar apologists are infuriating. "Everyone makes mistakes"...... "No-one is perfect".... "I'm so proud of you Josh"...... "What wonderful parents"..... "I pray no-one judges him"...... "The media is cruel".... "It happened 12 years ago, why bring it up now".... "Josh was very brave"....
And the best:
"Josh is a Godly example of what a man, husband, and father should be." Are you fucking kidding me??
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Post by *Scrapper*Stamper* on May 22, 2015 23:55:03 GMT
I'm not actually thinking about him - more about his future or more recent victims. He did this multiple times. Granted, he was 14 years old at the time in question but, given that his only consequences were a 'stern talking to' by a child pornographer, I would be somewhat doubtful that he stopped. It looks like he actually spent four months in some kind of program that consisted of "hard physical work and counseling." Oh no not even close!!!! They sent him to a family friend who had a home improvement business. He never received Counseling or anything which as a mother myself I would have DEMANDED before he stepped foot in my house again after sexually ABUSING 5 females!!!!! That is nowhere near any kind of treatment. It is a fucking EXCUSE!!!!!
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Post by DEX on May 23, 2015 0:07:18 GMT
This just so much reminds me of other Church scandals. Locally, one of the "beloved" Fathers suddenly left the Church. The congregation was admonished from the pulpit to refrain from "gossip". I also had a psychiatrist friend in Salt Lake City who left his practice because his partner was molesting patients. The "Church " said they would handle it. I think that some people believe that the love of the Lord will protect them. If you have been brainwashed, indoctrinated, or otherwise drank the Koolaid, there may never be true accountability. Think about it, these kids learn obedience practically from the womb. Jim Bob is like a God. He is even head of his own in home Church. You never saw the Duggar family at Church unless it was for a wedding for one of their kids. They worshiped at home with Jim Bob as their pastor.
Frankly, I don't think Josh ever had a chance as the first born son.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:12:27 GMT
One of the typical comments from the pro-Duggar blog Ashley linked to. We are talking about sexual abuse here. Not really on par with the things most of us have done.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:18:40 GMT
One of the typical comments from the pro-Duggar blog Ashley linked to. We are talking about sexual abuse here. Not really on par with the things most of us have done. Yup all over their blog and FB. It's disgusting.
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Post by *Scrapper*Stamper* on May 23, 2015 0:19:22 GMT
He was a child himself...naturally curious. Just sad for all involved. I don't think however that I makes him a threat to young daughters. He fondled breasts while the girls slept...wrong no doubt but at 14yrs old.... Are you seriously fucking excusing sexual abuse at any level??? -I have been sexuality abused TWICE. Thirty three YEARS later I STILL suffer the effects. I will keep my opinion to your character to myself. I pray no one you love is ever sexually abused since you feel the need to blow the seriousness of it off. It fucks a person up for life. The abuse is burned into the brain, it NEVER goes away. You comment makes me absolutely ill!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:28:47 GMT
And one more thing about the "natural curiosity" angle.
I could ALMOST get in the ballpark of buying that if there had been one victim who was post-pubescent. However, there are five different victims and we know that one was no older than FIVE YEARS OLD when she was abused (because she is still under 18 now, 12 years later). FIVE YEARS OLD.
That's not sexual curiosity. That's perversion and abuse.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:34:55 GMT
You know what has been dwelling on my mind all day.. is the repeated insistence from the Duggars that Josh has been forgiven by his victims. The more I think about it, the more uncomfortable I am with this idea that these girls forgave him, completely and on her own. I just don't buy it. I think any family that exerts this level of control over their children, and protects and PROMOTES the abuser in their family over the victims, likely didn't really give the victims any choice but to "forgive".
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:37:31 GMT
I agree, Ashley. And in reading the comments on that blog - which are just making me crazy! - there is so much praying for Josh and so little mention of the girls. They are ostensibly fans/supporters of the family, yet lack concern for the family members who are the true victims in this situation.
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Post by padresfan619 on May 23, 2015 0:38:23 GMT
Josh's daughter is five years-old .
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Post by moodyblue on May 23, 2015 0:39:00 GMT
I agree, Ashley. And in reading the comments on that blog - which are just making me crazy! - there is so much praying for Josh and so little mention of the girls. They are ostensibly fans/supporters of the family, yet lack concern for the family members who are the true victims in this situation. I thought exactly the same thing as I read them. I did put in a comment about exactly that; haven't gone back to see if it actually posted.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 0:39:12 GMT
I agree, Ashley. And in reading the comments on that blog - which are just making me crazy! - there is so much praying for Josh and so little mention of the girls. They are ostensibly fans/supporters of the family, yet lack concern for the family members who are the true victims in this situation. It's amazing how faith blinds.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 23, 2015 0:56:26 GMT
One of the typical comments from the pro-Duggar blog Ashley linked to. We are talking about sexual abuse here. Not really on par with the things most of us have done. Yup all over their blog and FB. It's disgusting. All over Instagram too! People have already started Support the Duggers pages along with the hashtags. The comments in support for Josh are disgusting and there isn't (from comments/pages I have read) ANY support or acknowledgement for his victims.
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Post by tracylynn on May 23, 2015 0:57:57 GMT
He was a child himself...naturally curious. Just sad for all involved. I don't think however that I makes him a threat to young daughters. He fondled breasts while the girls slept...wrong no doubt but at 14yrs old.... I'm late to the game, but seriously? Curious? Wow.
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Post by kelbel827 on May 23, 2015 0:58:58 GMT
I have so much to say, but I have no way to organize it. EWWWWWWWW.
Fondling your sisters is not a "past teenage mistake" Josh and his family are seriously warped. I don't care how much they help others. I think it's always been a cover up for their crazy home crap. I always thought it was weird that the girls had to sleep clothed. Have you ever seen their swimwear? I remember when they built that house, the boys had fun stuff (firepole). The girls had easy access to the laundry. They don't have a TV or internet, but make their money off of a TV show and running to the GMA show every time Michelle has "caught a baby". I'm sure that there is something in the bible that says molesting your sisters is wrong, and according to the show, they read that a lot.
I hope, now that this is out, with a confession, the girls that are able to can run. They don't need husbands or Jim Bob's money. They will make a crap ton selling their stories. I would also love to read one by crazy cousin Amy.
The police report was confusing at first because I kept thinking I was reading the same thing over, until I went back and re-read parts. There is no way those girls weren't coached ahead of time. They all like spelling, they all don't like math. They all live together with a dog named Jasmine and 6 cats. It's not until way later that the part about the spanking with a rod comes out.
I think what bothers me most about this whole family is how uneducated their views are and how demeaning they are to the females. That and that praying and hard labor will help with all sins. Josh's statement sounded like he only asked forgiveness from god. Not his sisters.
Completely warped. Oh, and Free Jinger! (I've always wanted her to run) and the rest of them.
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Post by anaterra on May 23, 2015 1:03:08 GMT
I do believe the victims were probably guilted into forgiving him.... reminds me of the episode from the girls selling their book... for those who don't watch or follow.. when they were younger jana slept in the bunk above jessa... jessa constantly tormented jana by kicking her from below... jana took the problem to her parents who told her to show jessa forgiveness... show jessa how much jana loved her... that would heal her heart... so jana prayed with jessa n gave jessa her favorite jewelry box so that jessa would be nice to her... I was so aggravated by the parents... instead of handling the problem child she was rewarded for her bad behaviour... and poor jana getting kicked n having to give up 1 of the few things that was truly only hers... in a house where everything is community property...
I cant imagine how much jana or the other girls have had to endure... this is so much worse
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 23, 2015 1:03:36 GMT
You know what has been dwelling on my mind all day.. is the repeated insistence from the Duggars that Josh has been forgiven by his victims. The more I think about it, the more uncomfortable I am with this idea that these girls forgave him, completely and on her own. I just don't buy it. I think any family that exerts this level of control over their children, and protects and PROMOTES the abuser in their family over the victims, likely didn't really give the victims any choice but to "forgive". I agree. I been thinking about how this could be the start of a sick cycle of abuse that just will keep going on. Say Josh and Anna's son does this same thing in a few years to one of his sisters (or vice versa)..it gets found out and it will just be the same thing of sweeping it under the rug and the victim will have to forgive.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 1:07:52 GMT
I could live the rest of my life without seeing another Duggar on TV, the internet, or a magazine cover. My girls (10 and 12) love the show but are no longer allowed to watch. Frankly, it was hard to stomach even before all this. I've deleted their favorite episodes from the dvr. DH and I are now discussing what to tell our girls.
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Post by amom23 on May 23, 2015 1:08:19 GMT
I'm waiting for one of the kids (specifically Jana) to say "Fuck this shit I'm outta here!" Then hit the road and go live with Cousin Amy!
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 23, 2015 1:08:35 GMT
I wonder how the Duggars would feel if the girls were walking through Goodwill and a teenage boy, who was "of the world " and not related to them, decided to touch their youngest daughters genitals and breasts? Would they be Ok with the atheist boy going to a family friend to work on houses for a few weeks and then get a stern talking to? Would that be enough?
What if their girls, after his "rehabilitation", had to live with him, serve him dinner, be sweet to him, go to his wedding, watch his children, sit next to him?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know the answer to that.
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