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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 15:47:26 GMT
Call me naive but I am going to admit freely that I live in a world that confuses me on a daily basis. The idea that this argument has devolved (for the most part) on the internet into an "attack on Christianity" is bewildering to me. I understand the idea of forgiveness, of allowing a person the freedom to change and redeem themselves...but I do not understand how it can be overlooked that this is a person who committed a felony and essentially received zero consequences for his actions. How is that an attack on faith? It's not. Same as saying "Happy Holidays" is not an attack on Christianity. Same as saying you don't agree with ______(insert Christian doctrine, or warped interpretation of it here) is not an attack on Christianity.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 15:50:46 GMT
But the law (as far as I understand it)does not require children 14 years or younger to register as a sex offender for the crimes Josh committed. So the family reported Josh's crimes to the church and to other friends, to the police, they didn't hide it. Neither did they announce it to the whole world as the law does not require them to. I do not believe for a second that anyone, if their own 14 year old son committed this crime they would want them to be tarnished by it forever even if they were able to change and not continue their violations. I don't believe it. Julie But they did hide it for over a year and only confessed when their hand was forced. And you are wrong. If he was my son he would need to pay the piper.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 23, 2015 15:55:52 GMT
Call me naive but I am going to admit freely that I live in a world that confuses me on a daily basis. The idea that this argument has devolved (for the most part) on the internet into an "attack on Christianity" is bewildering to me. I understand the idea of forgiveness, of allowing a person the freedom to change and redeem themselves...but I do not understand how it can be overlooked that this is a person who committed a felony and essentially received zero consequences for his actions. How is that an attack on faith? It's not. Same as saying "Happy Holidays" is not an attack on Christianity. Same as saying you don't agree with ______(insert Christian doctrine, or warped interpretation of it here) is not an attack on Christianity. And I completely agree...which is why it boggles the mind that this could even be perceived in a small way as an attack on faith. If anything, it would be asking for a man of faith to practice what he preaches. I am reasonably sure that he (Josh) is the very definition of a biblical hypocrite.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 23, 2015 15:56:18 GMT
Yup to all of this. And it just doesn't work to excuse the facts and to continue to ponder the FACTS and to excuse this asshole's (and his parents') behavior. I agree as well. I could *maybe* excuse a single incident as "youthful indiscretion" but over the course of, what, 2 years? To 5!! girls, that's not just a single error in judgement, that's ongoing sexual abuse.
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Post by tduby1 on May 23, 2015 16:01:02 GMT
Call me naive but I am going to admit freely that I live in a world that confuses me on a daily basis. The idea that this argument has devolved (for the most part) on the internet into an "attack on Christianity" is bewildering to me. I understand the idea of forgiveness, of allowing a person the freedom to change and redeem themselves...but I do not understand how it can be overlooked that this is a person who committed a felony and essentially received zero consequences for his actions. How is that an attack on faith? These people are so indoctrinated that admitting anything is amiss is terrifying. I will not lie. If I was still inside this movement I would be turning myself into a pretzel trying to make this justified because anything other than that makes you HAVE to re-evaluate everything you were taught your entire life and that's scary. I've been there. Many of us here have. It takes YEARS to shed layer by layer the lies and hypocrisy we have been taught. Whan Jack Schaap took a 16 year old girl over state lines to have sex with her no less than (and possibly more, I don't remember the exact number) 100 people wrote letters to the judge blaming that 16 year old girl as being a hussy, slut and making Mr. Schaap do what he did. These were letters sent to a judge and are a part of the public court records. I read these letters. It was unreal, sick and disgusting. These were people who admitted to having teenaged girls themselves. None of them were able to step back and say, "wow this is sick". I recognize the same symptoms with a few posters here.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 16:01:49 GMT
It's not. Same as saying "Happy Holidays" is not an attack on Christianity. Same as saying you don't agree with ______(insert Christian doctrine, or warped interpretation of it here) is not an attack on Christianity. And I completely agree...which is why it boggles the mind that this could even be perceived in a small way as an attack on faith. If anything, it would be asking for a man of faith to practice what he preaches. I am reasonably sure that he (Josh) is the very definition of a biblical hypocrite. I truly believe that for *some* people, feeling their faith is under attack makes them feel like better (in this case) Christians.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 23, 2015 16:01:55 GMT
But the law (as far as I understand it)does not require children 14 years or younger to register as a sex offender for the crimes Josh committed. So the family reported Josh's crimes to the church and to other friends, to the police, they didn't hide it. Neither did they announce it to the whole world as the law does not require them to. I do not believe for a second that anyone, if their own 14 year old son committed this crime they would want them to be tarnished by it forever even if they were able to change and not continue their violations. I don't believe it. Julie I would hate to be in that position but at the same I would never hold my family or said son up as morally superior and I cerainly wouldn't encourage and would actively discourage him from calling whole segments of society sexual deviants. The just don't seem to grasp the seriousness of what he did. They are morons. This. Josh himself, as an adult, chose to publicly and politically hold himself up as some sort of beacon of morality and family values, with the right to pass judgement on others. He placed himself on that pedestal, yet never disclosed to the general public that as a youth he actually molested five young girls. If he had at least stayed out of the political arena, these revelations might be less relevant than they are now (though I'd fear he might still be a danger to others). JB and Michelle have a lot to answer for as well, but Josh put himself the position where he should now be made to answer for his teenage "mistakes" before the public.
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Post by moveablefeast on May 23, 2015 16:03:27 GMT
Now the investigation record has been destroyed. chicago.suntimes.com/nationworld/7/71/628770/arkansas-judge-orders-reality-tv-star-josh-duggars-record-destroyedI believe that people can change. I am a person who has been changed by Jesus. I would be a hypocrite to suggest that a person cannot be changed - regardless of his or her wrong actions. I too am grateful every day that Jesus saved a sinner like me. I never molested anybody, but my sin is like anybody else's. I do sympathize with that and from that standpoint I concur that God is good even to sinners like me - and Josh Duggar. I can't do otherwise. However, I am disturbed by how casually this has been treated by the family, by the authorities in Arkansas, and by people who would like to seek authority in our nation (Huckabee, I am looking at you). They haven't said, we took every available action to ensure that young women in our home were safe, or we took every available action to ensure that he received the treatment and counseling necessary for both Josh and the girls. They have acted like this was a minor incident where someone made some victimless and inconsequential errors in judgment. Perhaps it is different in private, I cannot be sure. it is also obvious that they have wanted to sweep this under the rug for many years and issue an apparently sincere but belated apology when it finally came to light. I am especially disturbed that the Duggar family can defend their son out of one side of their mouth - a young man who already demonstrated that he was a threat to the children in the family - and suggest out of the other side of their mouth that LGBT folks are a threat to our children - the vast majority of whom will never harm a child in any way. I don't think they get it. To them it is an abomination when someone unrelated to them enters a loving and committed same sex relationship, but it is a mistake that can be erased when one of their own molests his sister. No thank you. I guess I don't understand how not announcing to the whole world that Josh was a youth sex offender is the same as sweeping it under a rug. It was not kept a secret among their own circle, people knew. He was not an adult. At 14 years old, there is still hope for change. So crimes committed by minors should follow them around their whole life? Julie You don't think waiting over a year after discovering multiple incidents before reporting the matter to authorities, and then reporting to a trooper who is now in jail for child pornography charges, is at all even the least tiny little bit hinky? And then sending him off to work construction with a family friend rather than seeking rehabilitation? And then hiring a lawyer and refusing to allow him to be interviewed for a police investigation another several years later? Even after the statute of limitations has run out and he cannot be arrested? Still not hinky? And all the while talking at great length about the sexual sin of others? Did someone once say something about specks and logs?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 16:10:00 GMT
And I completely agree...which is why it boggles the mind that this could even be perceived in a small way as an attack on faith. If anything, it would be asking for a man of faith to practice what he preaches. I am reasonably sure that he (Josh) is the very definition of a biblical hypocrite. I truly believe that for *some* people, feeling their faith is under attack makes them feel like better (in this case) Christians. Totally. There are a few peas here who do the same thing. Any time there's any kind of doctrinal debate and someone disagrees with their (or their church's) interpretation of the bible, they claim they/their beliefs are being attacked, made fun of, persecuted, etc.
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Post by winogirl on May 23, 2015 16:14:32 GMT
I would hate to be in that position but at the same I would never hold my family or said son up as morally superior and I cerainly wouldn't encourage and would actively discourage him from calling whole segments of society sexual deviants. The just don't seem to grasp the seriousness of what he did. They are morons. This. Josh himself, as an adult, chose to publicly and politically hold himself up as some sort of beacon of morality and family values, with the right to pass judgement on others. He placed himself on that pedestal, yet never disclosed to the general public that as a youth he actually molested five young girls. If he had at least stayed out of the political arena, these revelations might be less relevant than they are now (though I'd fear he might still be a danger to others). JB and Michelle have a lot to answer for as well, but Josh put himself the position where he should now be made to answer for his teenage "mistakes" in the public arena. And his parents as well. They chose to put their family in the limelight and act like they are the epitome of morality knowing this skeleton was in the closet. The risk of this secret coming out is much greater when you intentionally put yourself in the public eye and yet they chose fame over discretion. I don't brook hypocrites and Josh and his parents are the epitome of hypocrites, not morality. They disgust me. I just feel sorry for those girls.
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Post by 950nancy on May 23, 2015 16:31:46 GMT
My Yahoo feed just said that the series is cancelled. I don't watch the show and know very little about the family.
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Post by stampbooker on May 23, 2015 16:33:05 GMT
I would hate to be in that position but at the same I would never hold my family or said son up as morally superior and I cerainly wouldn't encourage and would actively discourage him from calling whole segments of society sexual deviants. The just don't seem to grasp the seriousness of what he did. They are morons. This. Josh himself, as an adult, chose to publicly and politically hold himself up as some sort of beacon of morality and family values, with the right to pass judgement on others. He placed himself on that pedestal, yet never disclosed to the general public that as a youth he actually molested five young girls. If he had at least stayed out of the political arena, these revelations might be less relevant than they are now (though I'd fear he might still be a danger to others). JB and Michelle have a lot to answer for as well, but Josh put himself the position where he should now be made to answer for his teenage "mistakes" before the public. Stittysgirl, I totally see your point here. Julie
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 23, 2015 16:34:24 GMT
Those of you who have referenced low recidivism rates, can you clarify what percentages you're talking about? What I've read suggests that the recidivism rate is higher for early onset sexual offending and higher for those that don't get treatment. I mentioned earlier that pedophilic tendencies typically emerge in adolescence so I'm assuming your talking about all youth who sexually offend against children and not those who are later diagnosed as pedophiles, as their rate of recidivism is likely higher? And, of course, that's based on studies that measure recidivism by re-arrest rates so you can imagine the inherent problems with trying to get accurate data in this area. Just curious to know what sort of recidivism rates are being considered low.
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Post by stampbooker on May 23, 2015 16:37:19 GMT
I guess I don't understand how not announcing to the whole world that Josh was a youth sex offender is the same as sweeping it under a rug. It was not kept a secret among their own circle, people knew. He was not an adult. At 14 years old, there is still hope for change. So crimes committed by minors should follow them around their whole life? Julie You don't think waiting over a year after discovering multiple incidents before reporting the matter to authorities, and then reporting to a trooper who is now in jail for child pornography charges, is at all even the least tiny little bit hinky? And then sending him off to work construction with a family friend rather than seeking rehabilitation? And then hiring a lawyer and refusing to allow him to be interviewed for a police investigation another several years later? Even after the statute of limitations has run out and he cannot be arrested? Still not hinky? And all the while talking at great length about the sexual sin of others? Did someone once say something about specks and logs? I can totally see your point. I understand what people are saying about the hypocrisy. I get it. Julie
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Post by bostonmama on May 23, 2015 16:37:48 GMT
Many have asked "but what if it was your son?" I don't know that I could turn my son into the authorities, but I can ASSURE you he would have immediately been sent to a reputable in-patient therapeutic program for juvenile sex offenders. There would be intense, on-going therapy for all involved. I would absolutely want to get to the root of the problem. I cannot fathom another response unless I wanted to hide something.
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Post by tduby1 on May 23, 2015 16:47:42 GMT
Those of you who have referenced low recidivism rates, can you clarify what percentages you're talking about? What I've read suggests that the recidivism rate is higher for early onset sexual offending and higher for those that don't get treatment. I mentioned earlier that pedophilic tendencies typically emerge in adolescence so I'm assuming your talking about all youth who sexually offend against children and not those who are later diagnosed as pedophiles, as their rate of recidivism is likely higher? And, of course, that's based on studies that measure recidivism by re-arrest rates so you can imagine the inherent problems with trying to get accurate data in this area. Just curious to know what sort of recidivism rates are being considered low. I was answering based only on the assertion in the post I referenced. I have no data. I do know of one offender as a teenager and I've never let him be alone with my daughter. I guess my thought is that I really don't need data. This is an area that doesn't neccisitate second chances.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 23, 2015 16:55:26 GMT
But the law (as far as I understand it)does not require children 14 years or younger to register as a sex offender for the crimes Josh committed. So the family reported Josh's crimes to the church and to other friends, to the police, they didn't hide it. Neither did they announce it to the whole world as the law does not require them to. I do not believe for a second that anyone, if their own 14 year old son committed this crime they would want them to be tarnished by it forever even if they were able to change and not continue their violations. I don't believe it. Julie But they did hide it for over a year and only confessed when their hand was forced. And you are wrong. If he was my son he would need to pay the piper. I think it's an assumption that he hasn't continued his violations. We don't really know one way or the other. And, Scrappower, as usual, I agree with you. If he was my son, he would be held accountable. It's our job to sheppard our children into adulthood and do what we can so that they turn out to be good people. That means holding them accountable when they do bad things.
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Post by stampbooker on May 23, 2015 16:57:44 GMT
Call me naive but I am going to admit freely that I live in a world that confuses me on a daily basis. The idea that this argument has devolved (for the most part) on the internet into an "attack on Christianity" is bewildering to me. I understand the idea of forgiveness, of allowing a person the freedom to change and redeem themselves...but I do not understand how it can be overlooked that this is a person who committed a felony and essentially received zero consequences for his actions. How is that an attack on faith? These people are so indoctrinated that admitting anything is amiss is terrifying. I will not lie. If I was still inside this movement I would be turning myself into a pretzel trying to make this justified because anything other than that makes you HAVE to re-evaluate everything you were taught your entire life and that's scary. I've been there. Many of us here have. It takes YEARS to shed layer by layer the lies and hypocrisy we have been taught. Whan Jack Schaap took a 16 year old girl over state lines to have sex with her no less than (and possibly more, I don't remember the exact number) 100 people wrote letters to the judge blaming that 16 year old girl as being a hussy, slut and making Mr. Schaap do what he did. These were letters sent to a judge and are a part of the public court records. I read these letters. It was unreal, sick and disgusting. These were people who admitted to having teenaged girls themselves. None of them were able to step back and say, "wow this is sick". I recognize the same symptoms with a few posters here. I have a feeling you may be referring to me as one of the few posters. You couldn't be more wrong. I am not familiar with the Jack Schaap case. However, let me tell you it is not just religious people who blame the girls. I know this for a fact because I was a 16 year old girl that was sexually assualted by my step father for several years. Many people blamed me. Not one person who knew stepped in to help me and it was well known in my family and even in my (small) town. People accused me of seducing him. My mother kicked me out. None of these people were religious. It is not a religious point of view. I never tell anyone this story, and I can't even believe I am telling it here. I know I was not at all at fault. But I don't tell people because it is common in our culture to assume that the girl is to blame or at least partially responsible. It is not just the religious culture that perpetuates this, I can assure you of that. Julie
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Post by gottapeanow on May 23, 2015 17:14:43 GMT
Those of you who have referenced low recidivism rates, can you clarify what percentages you're talking about? What I've read suggests that the recidivism rate is higher for early onset sexual offending and higher for those that don't get treatment. I mentioned earlier that pedophilic tendencies typically emerge in adolescence so I'm assuming your talking about all youth who sexually offend against children and not those who are later diagnosed as pedophiles, as their rate of recidivism is likely higher? And, of course, that's based on studies that measure recidivism by re-arrest rates so you can imagine the inherent problems with trying to get accurate data in this area. Just curious to know what sort of recidivism rates are being considered low. I posted a few links on page 17. From what I saw, the recidivism rate is high for juveniles although I did not spend a lot of time researching. However, juvenile sex offenders in this country are generally treated differently than adult sex offenders according to the law. Even so, some states throw the book at juveniles as well. They are not punished according to the level of hypocrisy involved. Which was certainly present. I used to work in law enforcement and still have much of that perspective ingrained in me. Lisa
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 17:43:52 GMT
Gah!! A good friend of mine posted a link to an article that defends the Duggers, calling it a political war.
"Left wingers are using his mistake now to go after blood because they're anti gay and are now frothing at the mouth over this. . It's an attack on Christianity. "
This is a very good friend of mine and I went off. I might have lost her as a friend but I couldn't bite my tongue. Especially because only a few hours earlier I had posted something along the lines of how horrible his actions were and those poor girls.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 23, 2015 17:58:46 GMT
gottapeanow , I did take a quick look at your links and some other stuff online. In my (also brief) look, I didn't find the "low risk" that other people seem to think is there. And tduby1 ....exactly!
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 23, 2015 18:00:26 GMT
Gah!! A good friend of mine posted a link to an article that defends the Duggers, calling it a political war. "Left wingers are using his mistake now to go after blood because they're anti gay and are now frothing at the mouth over this. . It's an attack on Christianity. " This is a very good friend of mine and I went off. I might have lost her as a friend but I couldn't bite my tongue. Especially because only a few hours earlier I had posted something along the lines of how horrible his actions were and those poor girls. Gah.... I hope your comments enlightened her and she rethinks her statements.
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Post by hop2 on May 23, 2015 18:12:47 GMT
Gah!! A good friend of mine posted a link to an article that defends the Duggers, calling it a political war. "Left wingers are using his mistake now to go after blood because they're anti gay and are now frothing at the mouth over this. . It's an attack on Christianity. " This is a very good friend of mine and I went off. I might have lost her as a friend but I couldn't bite my tongue. Especially because only a few hours earlier I had posted something along the lines of how horrible his actions were and those poor girls. Honestly I am avoiding FB right now. I'm kinda too pea livid to not go off like a ballistic rocket. I am having trouble understanding some of what i am reading. I can't fathom it is coming from thinking feeling human beings in my own society. SMH I just want to cry over the victim blaming. I really never thought our society was this bad off, I can't imagine what hope we have if it's acceptable in any way to blame 4 and 6 year old girls for being molested. What kind of depraved society have we become? I am thanking my lucky stars that none of these conversations have been in person because i'm not sure i could refrain from going batshit crazy if i had heard someone live in front of me blame the little girls. I'm not even sure pea livid covers it, it's kind of beyond pea livid. I am simply having a difficult time wrapping my brain around that one. I just can't comprehend placing any blame on a 4 yo for being molested. How could any HUMAN do that?
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Post by melissa on May 23, 2015 18:18:36 GMT
Here is a link that indicates a lower rate of recidivism for juvenile offenders US Justice Dept InfoThis quote is from a published study here NJJN.org linkAs I said before, it is a small ray of hope that he did not continue to abuse and that he does not abuse his own children. What he did was appalling and I hope it stopped. I can't stomach the alternative.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 23, 2015 18:38:00 GMT
Gah!! A good friend of mine posted a link to an article that defends the Duggers, calling it a political war. "Left wingers are using his mistake now to go after blood because they're anti gay and are now frothing at the mouth over this. . It's an attack on Christianity. " This is a very good friend of mine and I went off. I might have lost her as a friend but I couldn't bite my tongue. Especially because only a few hours earlier I had posted something along the lines of how horrible his actions were and those poor girls. Honestly I am avoiding FB right now. I'm kinda too pea livid to not go off like a ballistic rocket. I am having trouble understanding some of what i am reading. I can't fathom it is coming from thinking feeling human beings in my own society. SMH I just want to cry over the victim blaming. I really never thought our society was this bad off, I can't imagine what hope we have if it's acceptable in any way to blame 4 and 6 year old girls for being molested. What kind of depraved society have we become? I am thanking my lucky stars that none of these conversations have been in person because i'm not sure i could refrain from going batshit crazy if i had heard someone live in front of me blame the little girls. I'm not even sure pea livid covers it, it's kind of beyond pea livid. I am simply having a difficult time wrapping my brain around that one. I just can't comprehend placing any blame on a 4 yo for being molested. How could any HUMAN do that? I don't frequent facebook (for my own sanity), but I have no doubt I would have family doing the same. Though I wasn't raised as fundamentalist as the Duggar children, Mormonism has similar teachings about sexual purity, modesty, and questioning a victim's "culpability" in their own abuse (if any Mormons want to argue this with me - I believe SWK's The Miracle of Forgiveness is still standard reading in the church). We had a very similar situation of sexual abuse with complete cover up by the family and church in my own family (that man went on to be a Mormon bishop). This mentality is apparently still widespread among these types of patriarchal religious groups, and even by some people in general. It is sad and frightening .
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Post by anonrefugee on May 23, 2015 18:45:13 GMT
Omg, I just read some of the comments on the link Ashley posted and am thoroughly disgusted. I know, I had to stop reading after a handful because I was becoming reasonably irate. REASONably irate Sing it sister!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:47:04 GMT
Honestly I am avoiding FB right now. I'm kinda too pea livid to not go off like a ballistic rocket. I am having trouble understanding some of what i am reading. I can't fathom it is coming from thinking feeling human beings in my own society. SMH I just want to cry over the victim blaming. I really never thought our society was this bad off, I can't imagine what hope we have if it's acceptable in any way to blame 4 and 6 year old girls for being molested. What kind of depraved society have we become? I am thanking my lucky stars that none of these conversations have been in person because i'm not sure i could refrain from going batshit crazy if i had heard someone live in front of me blame the little girls. I'm not even sure pea livid covers it, it's kind of beyond pea livid. I am simply having a difficult time wrapping my brain around that one. I just can't comprehend placing any blame on a 4 yo for being molested. How could any HUMAN do that? I don't frequent facebook (for my own sanity), but I have no doubt I would have family doing the same. Though I wasn't raised as fundamentalist as the Duggar children, Mormonism has similar teachings about sexual purity, modesty, and questioning a victim's "culpability" in their own abuse (if any Mormons want to argue this with me - I believe SWK's The Miracle of Forgiveness is still standard reading in the church). We had a very similar situation of sexual abuse with complete cover up by the family and church in my own family (that man went on to be a Mormon bishop). This mentality is apparently still widespread among these types of patriarchal religious groups, and even by some people in general. It is sad and frightening . Absolutely true. A close family member, and this person's siblings, were molested by the son of a higher-up in the rigid, patriarchal religious group we were brought up in, and it was all covered up, the victims were blamed and ordered to forgive the molester. The parent of the victims looked the other way and has always been in denial that it ever happened. This is the standard M.O. for how this religious group handles molestation accusations. There is a pea on the TLC thread blaming the victims, and claiming that this whole story is nothing more than gossip. It's a huge, pervasive problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 19:22:21 GMT
I would think that the recidivism rate would take certain factors into consideration, including the nature of the crime, the type of victims, and the number of offenses. In this case, the nature was sexual, the number of offenses was high, and one of the victims was a toddler. I don't buy that his recidivism rate is as low as 12.5%, based upon these facts.
Frankly, even it was as low as 12.5%, I wouldn't allow him to live in a home with several subjects of his preferred victim profile living under the same roof. No way no how, regardless if he was my son.
Jim Bob and Michele failed all of their children, including Josh.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 19:31:49 GMT
I'm glad I've been taught differently. www.lds.org/topics/abuse?lang=engVictims of abuse should be assured that they are not to blame for the harmful behavior of others. They do not need to feel guilt. If they have been a victim of rape or other sexual abuse, whether they have been abused by an acquaintance, a stranger, or even a family member, victims of sexual abuse are not guilty of sexual sin. Not sure why you're bringing the LDS party line into this. Totally unnecessary.
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