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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 18:35:45 GMT
The statute of limitations may not allow them to do anything about his siblings, but isn't there anyone who is concerned about the fact that he is the father of...what, three? little girls?? Just one I believe but I sure wouldn't want him around her.
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Post by gorgeouskid on May 21, 2015 18:35:47 GMT
Just gross.
I remember hearing about this years ago. How is it just "breaking" now?
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 21, 2015 18:38:11 GMT
What is the normal procedure when it's a minor molesting a minor? Do the police remove them from the home? Where I live, the normal procedure is that this decision is made by the police jointly with child protective services. Ideally you want the minor who is accused of molesting to be living elsewhere until he has been found guilty/ innocent and attended court ordered treatment for sex offenders. There are specialized therapists who can determine the risk of recidivism etc. If that can't happen for some reason, child protective services would need to determine if the victims or other minors are at risk of future abuse. The whole idea of sending him to a friend's home to learn a trade isn't horrible but they needed to get him treatment at the same time. it puts a whole different spin on the "saving our first kiss" crap when he has allegedly been walking around assaulting young women.
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Post by Kelpea on May 21, 2015 18:38:36 GMT
so sickening that those in charge, and in power, chose to keep this a secret. Those poor girls.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 18:39:02 GMT
Just gross. I remember hearing about this years ago. How is it just "breaking" now? Again because the report is now public info via the FOIA. There was no "proof" before.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 21, 2015 18:40:20 GMT
It's disappointing to think that the family was more concerned about protecting an alleged abuser instead of the victims. Sadly this happens often It does. There have been similar cases in my own extended Mormon family, and those men have all gone on to high-level positions in the church, because they were protected from prosecution by their families and the church. It makes me sick and angry, but unfortunately the Dugger story doesn't surprise me.
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Post by femalebusiness on May 21, 2015 18:43:37 GMT
I read this a few years ago and then it was hushed up. I brought it up a couple of times on Dugger threads but no one else had heard of it.
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Post by pierogi on May 21, 2015 18:49:45 GMT
It's only because one of the victims was not immediate family that a report was even filed. I imagine he'll pick his future targets with more care.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 18:51:50 GMT
This is sad. I do remember hearing about this years ago. It's disturbing to me for those girls that it is all out in the public now. That just seems wrong. They lose what I believe is their right to privacy over this issue. I had no idea such reports involving minors could be put out in the public view like that. It's just sad all around. Well the names are not included so I think that's why. But I think it should be public. Why should it be hushed up? He's an abuser and they admitted it.
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Post by pierogi on May 21, 2015 18:53:56 GMT
This is sad. I do remember hearing about this years ago. It's disturbing to me for those girls that it is all out in the public now. That just seems wrong. They lose what I believe is their right to privacy over this issue. I had no idea such reports involving minors could be put out in the public view like that. It's just sad all around. Well the names are not included so I think that's why. But I think it should be public. Why should it be hushed up? He's an abuser and they admitted it. But he apologized, so it's ok!
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 21, 2015 18:55:58 GMT
I never liked the father Jim Bob or Josh..the rest of the family don't bother me but I don't at all share their beliefs. I read 2 articles yesterday somewhere that Jim Bob was the one who took his son Josh into the police when this all happened.
I'm curious what the rest of the family will have to say about all of this.
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Post by mzza111 on May 21, 2015 19:12:52 GMT
I'm not the least bit surprised and I don't understand why this is "breaking news" now. This has been out there for years and was just ignored by the media. If I recall correctly, Oprah was in the process of doing a show about the Duggers and during taping at their house witnessed something (her production staff never said what) and put the kibosh on the entire story and it never aired.
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Post by happymomma on May 21, 2015 19:25:02 GMT
I've never watched the show so any info I've read on this clan has been from the Peas. From that, I've always thought they were a bunch of weirdos. Since someone said this was just now coming out because the reports were available through FOIA I have to ask (because I have no idea how that works) is there a certain waiting period or something for availability via FOIA? It just seems amazing to me that some journalist or media outlet hadn't glommed onto that kind of info long before now, since they are such a high-profile family. If it's been years I'm surprised that someone didn't dig this up much earlier. Very sad case indeed. If I were the mom of his daughters I would be worried.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 21, 2015 19:28:43 GMT
What? ... I guess I need to go read the info linked... I don't want to assume ...but if it's true and they knew its beyond horrendous...
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:28:43 GMT
I've never watched the show so any info I've read on this clan has been from the Peas. From that, I've always thought they were a bunch of weirdos. Since someone said this was just now coming out because the reports were available through FOIA I have to ask (because I have no idea how that works) is there a certain waiting period or something for availability via FOIA? It just seems amazing to me that some journalist or media outlet hadn't glommed onto that kind of info long before now, since they are such a high-profile family. If it's been years I'm surprised that someone didn't dig this up much earlier. Very sad case indeed. If I were the mom of his daughters I would be worried. Yes there is a waiting period.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:29:22 GMT
What? ... I guess I need to go read the info linked... I don't want to assume ...but if it's true and they knew its beyond horrendous... The police report is in the article and the parents admit it to the police so yes it's true.
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Post by happymomma on May 21, 2015 19:32:22 GMT
I've never watched the show so any info I've read on this clan has been from the Peas. From that, I've always thought they were a bunch of weirdos. Since someone said this was just now coming out because the reports were available through FOIA I have to ask (because I have no idea how that works) is there a certain waiting period or something for availability via FOIA? It just seems amazing to me that some journalist or media outlet hadn't glommed onto that kind of info long before now, since they are such a high-profile family. If it's been years I'm surprised that someone didn't dig this up much earlier. Very sad case indeed. If I were the mom of his daughters I would be worried. Yes there is a waiting period. Thanks scrappower. I didn't know that. That is my 'learn something new every day' for today.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 21, 2015 19:32:40 GMT
This family is all kinds of fucked up but I'll withhold judgement until someone more reliable than In Touch Weekly confirms the charges. Ya I have to agree, the source is sketchy at best...but I have always liked them and just feel sick that this could be true. If it is true and they protected Josh.... I'm sick thinking about... off to try and find more information.
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Post by luckyexwife on May 21, 2015 19:33:33 GMT
This family is all kinds of fucked up but I'll withhold judgement until someone more reliable than In Touch Weekly confirms the charges. Ya I have to agree, the source is sketchy at best...but I have always liked them and just feel sick that this could be true. If it is true and they protected Josh.... I'm sick thinking about... off to try and find more information. The full police report is in the article linked.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:35:10 GMT
This family is all kinds of fucked up but I'll withhold judgement until someone more reliable than In Touch Weekly confirms the charges. Ya I have to agree, the source is sketchy at best...but I have always liked them and just feel sick that this could be true. If it is true and they protected Josh.... I'm sick thinking about... off to try and find more information. But it has the police report in the article. They didn't just make that up.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 21, 2015 19:37:06 GMT
I never said it should be hushed up. I was simply saying that perhaps the VICTIMS should have the right to not have their information splashed out there in public. I disagree to a point. Given that the girls' names are not disclosed, I would rather people know the kind of people they are dealing with.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:45:18 GMT
It's disappointing to think that the family was more concerned about protecting an alleged abuser instead of the victims.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 21, 2015 19:50:32 GMT
This part of the article makes no sense to me,"The report has been hidden since 2006 and was just obtained by the mag through a Freedom of information Act request. Jim Bob also refused to allow police to interview Josh when they opened a felony investigation in 2006. The Duggars star on TLC’s hit show 19 Kids and Counting."
How couldl he refuse to allow him to be interviewed if he was a suspect in a crime? Was he a minor then? If so, they could still charge and arrest him if he refused questioning with probably cause right? And no he wouldn't have to talk but then he'd need a lawyer or..I don't know but I'm confused by this.
Anyone with more knowledge weigh in here?
I have allways liked the family even though I don't agree with all of their lifestyle choices, but in general liked them. and defend them. But if this happened and they covered it up - protected Josh and not the victims/ children - it is beyond reprehensible.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 21, 2015 19:53:24 GMT
Having been a victim and having a police report like this out there (not that I am someone who the media would care about) I'm just saying that there seems to be no regard for them in any way, shape or form from the beginning and not now either. Something should have been done at the time and they let time run out. Doubt anything will happen to him ever even though people "know" about it now. (I'm sure it has been known by a lot of people for a long time anyway.) I don't care about him. I care about the victims. If something like this came out about me in my community now I would be extremely distraught. Hopefully they have some support from someone now. I'm not actually thinking about him - more about his future or more recent victims. He did this multiple times. Granted, he was 14 years old at the time in question but, given that his only consequences were a 'stern talking to' by a child pornographer, I would be somewhat doubtful that he stopped.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 21, 2015 19:53:39 GMT
Yes I see the police report and am still reading. I guess I just have no idea if that is a legit police report. But then again I guess it would have to be for them publish it otherwise they could be sued.. I really should finish reading before I post here, I guess I have been "thinking out loud" here as I process this. OK - read it and ETA: the lack of name on the report is concerning..however it appears that that a report was filed and there were youn victims. If he article is true and Josh did this - 14 or not...and his parents knew and did nothing to protect past and future victims, I feel they are as guilty as him and should be punished as he should. It's awful and I don' think there should be a statute of limiations - 3 years? wtf? Young victims don't usually come forward, if ever, and if they do it's not until much later when they are older..because usually they are terrified and the abuser is in their home... I shudder to think that there are more victims out there Josh, as the oldest was often in charge of and alone with his siblings, and probably alone other children through their church.
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Post by valincal on May 21, 2015 19:58:21 GMT
Having been a victim and having a police report like this out there (not that I am someone who the media would care about) I'm just saying that there seems to be no regard for them in any way, shape or form from the beginning and not now either. Something should have been done at the time and they let time run out. Doubt anything will happen to him ever even though people "know" about it now. (I'm sure it has been known by a lot of people for a long time anyway.) I don't care about him. I care about the victims. If something like this came out about me in my community now I would be extremely distraught. Hopefully they have some support from someone now. I can see your point. Sorry that you were a victim of abuse. I can't imagine.
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Post by happymomma on May 21, 2015 19:59:22 GMT
Having been a victim and having a police report like this out there (not that I am someone who the media would care about) I'm just saying that there seems to be no regard for them in any way, shape or form from the beginning and not now either. Something should have been done at the time and they let time run out. Doubt anything will happen to him ever even though people "know" about it now. (I'm sure it has been known by a lot of people for a long time anyway.) I don't care about him. I care about the victims. If something like this came out about me in my community now I would be extremely distraught. Hopefully they have some support from someone now. I'm not actually thinking about him - more about his future or more recent victims. He did this multiple times. Granted, he was 14 years old at the time in question but, given that his only consequences were a 'stern talking to' by a child pornographer, I would be somewhat doubtful that he stopped. It looks like he actually spent four months in some kind of program that consisted of "hard physical work and counseling."
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:59:49 GMT
Having been a victim and having a police report like this out there (not that I am someone who the media would care about) I'm just saying that there seems to be no regard for them in any way, shape or form from the beginning and not now either. Something should have been done at the time and they let time run out. Doubt anything will happen to him ever even though people "know" about it now. (I'm sure it has been known by a lot of people for a long time anyway.) I don't care about him. I care about the victims. If something like this came out about me in my community now I would be extremely distraught. Hopefully they have some support from someone now. I too was a victim and I personally wanted it screamed to the rooftops so everyone knew he was to be avoided.
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Post by peasapie on May 21, 2015 20:00:14 GMT
Perhaps this will lead to more scrutiny upon the quiverful movement, Gothardism and the hate group for which he works. I don't understand what these things mean. quiverful movement? Gothardism?
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Post by stampnscrap1128 on May 21, 2015 20:01:39 GMT
I don't think there should be a time limitation to file charges for child molestation. In fact, I didn't realize there was a time limit!
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