sharlag
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Post by sharlag on May 21, 2015 20:06:03 GMT
I'm thinking about the Duggar family, circling the wagons to determine how to handle this publicly.... and the girls involved, and the girls NOT involved.... will they focus on protecting Josh again? Or change their MO?
What a mess! So sad.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 21, 2015 20:06:03 GMT
And he has small children now....
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Post by doesitmatter on May 21, 2015 20:09:20 GMT
I don't think there should be a time limitation to file charges for child molestation. In fact, I didn't realize there was a time limit! I agree. I thought there was in some states becuase of cases I have read about, but that it was like 20-30 years. 3 years? wtf? so a 3 year old has until she/he is 6 to find a trusting adult and make a report? when likely the child only knows the abusers and no other adults? wtf? so angry ... And he has small children..if I were Anna I'd take those babies and run. In most cases I agree with innocent until proven guilty, but with children - hell no, protect them 1st and then ask questions.
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Post by withapea on May 21, 2015 20:12:10 GMT
I'm not actually thinking about him - more about his future or more recent victims. He did this multiple times. Granted, he was 14 years old at the time in question but, given that his only consequences were a 'stern talking to' by a child pornographer, I would be somewhat doubtful that he stopped. It looks like he actually spent four months in some kind of program that consisted of "hard physical work and counseling." It seems that he was not sent to any sort of treatment center, he was sent off to work somewhere doing manual labor and construction. There was no certified counselor or treatment received there.
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Post by kimpossible on May 21, 2015 20:20:46 GMT
I also read in an article this morning that the state trooper that it was initially reported to is himself now serving a 56 year prison sentence for child pornography. Seems a strange coincidence... Not a coincidence .... he was guilty of child pornography, why would he move forward with accusations against Josh? That would be so hypocritical of him. (I joke) What a horrible situation - for the victims and that nothing "official" was done. Thinking that sending him off to a home remodel project would "cure him" is beyond being ignorant. No consequences = no guilt Keep your eyes and ears open - I suspect we hear more about Josh in the future, but it won't be able to be covered up.
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scrappinmama
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Jun 26, 2014 12:54:09 GMT
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Post by scrappinmama on May 21, 2015 20:23:09 GMT
I never said it should be hushed up. I was simply saying that perhaps the VICTIMS should have the right to not have their information splashed out there in public. I disagree to a point. Given that the girls' names are not disclosed, I would rather people know the kind of people they are dealing with. I agree. Even though people will speculate which one of the girls were victims, it's more important that other people become aware of this. And if he is involved in a church, he needs to be kept away from kids. I do feel bad for the girls. You know they will be hounded with questions now.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 21, 2015 20:24:09 GMT
That's sick and horrendous.
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Post by monicad on May 21, 2015 20:31:56 GMT
I don't think there should be a time limitation to file charges for child molestation. In fact, I didn't realize there was a time limit! I agree. I thought there was in some states becuase of cases I have read about, but that it was like 20-30 years. 3 years? wtf? so a 3 year old has until she/he is 6 to find a trusting adult and make a report? when likely the child only knows the abusers and no other adults? wtf? so angry ... And he has small children..if I were Anna I'd take those babies and run. In most cases I agree with innocent until proven guilty, but with children - hell no, protect them 1st and then ask questions. This is my concern now. One daughter and another on the way. I grew up in a religion more concerned with protecting their name than the victims. Unfortunately, I think this happens all too often. I'm still confused about the fact that his parents appear to have gone to police (?)...I guess we'll see what info continues to come out.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 21, 2015 20:39:13 GMT
It reads to me like the only reason they even went to the police is because a complaint was filed with the human services department by someone at the Oprah show based on that email. I am wondering why a complete investigation wasn't done by protective services. This just seems really wrong. The victims statement's in that police report clearly accuse him of doing it to more than one person and it appears it was his sisters so I am inclined to believe the victims' statements. They are saying he was 14 at the time so clearly old enough to know better than to touch his sisters inappropriately.
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Pearl Clutcher
Not my circus, not my monkeys ~refugee pea #59
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 21, 2015 20:40:47 GMT
I have never watched an episode of their show but know about the Duggar family seeing threads here (and 2 peas for years). It is disturbing that a family who holds itself out there to have high family Christian values and morals would protect a predator who is their own. Smacks of Jerry Sandusky and Penn State. Money is the root of all evil. Disgusting.
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Post by peano on May 21, 2015 20:45:01 GMT
A 3-year statute of limitations on abuse cases is beyond ridiculous!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 20:46:19 GMT
I too was a victim and I personally wanted it screamed to the rooftops so everyone knew he was to be avoided. Was the police report you filed released to the media? Did you scream it to the rooftops? Police reports are considered public info, names can be withheld but reports can be viewed by anyone. It was in the news too. And I told everyone I knew what happened. I wanted to take out an ad but my lawyer informed me that I could be sued by my attacked. Luckily he is in jail for a very long time. I was not his only victim.
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Post by greenlegume on May 21, 2015 20:47:39 GMT
Kind of ironic that this is published in a magazine called "in touch". what a bizarre thing to hone in on
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 20:53:06 GMT
Police reports are considered public info, names can be withheld but reports can be viewed by anyone. It was in the news too. And I told everyone I knew what happened. I wanted to take out an ad but my lawyer informed me that I could be sued by my attacked. Luckily he is in jail for a very long time. I was not his only victim. So you were not a minor when this happened. Okay. I don't really see it as the same. Actually yes I was. Abuse is abuse though.
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Nink
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Post by Nink on May 21, 2015 20:55:31 GMT
Police reports are considered public info, names can be withheld but reports can be viewed by anyone. It was in the news too. And I told everyone I knew what happened. I wanted to take out an ad but my lawyer informed me that I could be sued by my attacked. Luckily he is in jail for a very long time. I was not his only victim. So you were not a minor when this happened. Okay. I don't really see it as the same. What the hell difference does it make how old someone is when they are sexually abused? Wrong is wrong, no matter the age.
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Nink
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Post by Nink on May 21, 2015 20:57:40 GMT
I'm sure all JimBob and Michelle care about is that at least he isn't gay. <eye roll>
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Post by LiLi on May 21, 2015 20:58:00 GMT
I am actually pleasantly surprised that there aren't many refupeas trying to make excuses for them. I would have guessed that some on here would somehow try to support Josh and the Duggar name.
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Pearl Clutcher
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 21, 2015 20:58:41 GMT
So you were not a minor when this happened. Okay. I don't really see it as the same. What the hell difference does it make how old someone is when they are sexually abused? Wrong is wrong, no matter the age. Agree! So sorry that it happened to you Scrappower and after you had the courage to share your story someone would be so insensitive.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 20:59:35 GMT
What the hell difference does it make how old someone is when they are sexually abused? Wrong is wrong, no matter the age. Agree! So sorry that it happened to you Scrappower and after you had the courage to share your story someone would be so insensitive. Thank you. It's quite shocking to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 21:09:59 GMT
I don't think there should be a time limitation to file charges for child molestation. In fact, I didn't realize there was a time limit! There is no limit for some degrees of child sexual abuse. But others, like the ones described in the police report, are considered "lesser" offenses and have relatively short statutes of limitations. My nephew prosecutes child abuse cases and this is a huge beef he has with the system. I don't mean to be graphic, but lack of physical penetration is somehow considered a lesser crime by lawmakers, even though the psychological and emotional damage is staggering.
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Post by maryland on May 21, 2015 21:10:04 GMT
I would be worried about him being around his sons as well.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 21, 2015 21:17:45 GMT
I'm not actually thinking about him - more about his future or more recent victims. He did this multiple times. Granted, he was 14 years old at the time in question but, given that his only consequences were a 'stern talking to' by a child pornographer, I would be somewhat doubtful that he stopped. It looks like he actually spent four months in some kind of program that consisted of "hard physical work and counseling." It doesn't look like he was in a program or saw a license counsellor.
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twinsmomfla99
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 21, 2015 21:19:35 GMT
I don't think there should be a time limitation to file charges for child molestation. In fact, I didn't realize there was a time limit! I agree. I thought there was in some states becuase of cases I have read about, but that it was like 20-30 years. 3 years? wtf? so a 3 year old has until she/he is 6 to find a trusting adult and make a report? when likely the child only knows the abusers and no other adults? wtf? so angry ... And he has small children..if I were Anna I'd take those babies and run. In most cases I agree with innocent until proven guilty, but with children - hell no, protect them 1st and then ask questions. I'm not sure how the statute of limitations is actually worded, but there may be a time limit of 3 years after the crime is reported. So it happened in 2003, was reported in 2006, and the trooper who took the report never followed up on it. If it had never been reported at all, and if the girls finally came forward on their own after reaching age 18, there might still be time to prosecute. So, if there were any more victims that were not included in the original report who come forward now, there might still be a possibility of pressing charges. I think that is how some of these cases where molestation that happened several years ago get prosecuted after the victim reaches 18.
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Post by LiLi on May 21, 2015 21:20:42 GMT
Police reports are considered public info, names can be withheld but reports can be viewed by anyone. It was in the news too. And I told everyone I knew what happened. I wanted to take out an ad but my lawyer informed me that I could be sued by my attacked. Luckily he is in jail for a very long time. I was not his only victim. So you were not a minor when this happened. Okay. I don't really see it as the same. Wow.
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M in Carolina
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Post by M in Carolina on May 21, 2015 21:25:50 GMT
I think this is come up because Josh Duggar has political aspirations. The hate group he works for wants to have majority control of congress and get rid of same sex marriage and make laws based on their idea of morality. They insist that Christians founded this country and only meant for Christians to have religious freedom.
I also was abused as a child. The fact that the line between "fondling" and "rape" is so tiny, and the statute of limitations is so short is nauseating to me.
I tried to report my rape, but the counselor at my school told me that a doctor can't molest a patient. Evidently they can do whatever the hell they want, and it's ok.
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Post by foolana on May 21, 2015 21:28:06 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the Duggars waited over three years just to keep their son from being arrested and convicted. I remember hearing something about this years ago.
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Post by foolana on May 21, 2015 21:33:47 GMT
I don't think anyone should be surprised that the family protected Josh and not his sisters. Women in that family seem to only be valued for their ability to give birth and do housework and nothing else. JMHO.
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Post by bc2ca on May 21, 2015 21:45:35 GMT
What is the normal procedure when it's a minor molesting a minor? Do the police remove them from the home? Both/all could be removed pending a CPS and police investigation. If parents are denying the event/protecting the alleged molester ALL minors in the household could be taken into protective custody until the investigation is complete. If siblings are involved it could obviously get very complex. If a sibling is charged and detained, the other children could still be made dependents on the court if there is concern about the parents protecting the accused child and coercing the molested children to recant their story.
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tduby1
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Post by tduby1 on May 21, 2015 22:12:42 GMT
I too was a victim and I personally wanted it screamed to the rooftops so everyone knew he was to be avoided. Was the police report filed released to the media? Did you scream it to the rooftops? Everyone around him knows about this already and his kids are still with him. Will having this out in the media protect them? Doubt it. Will it protect anyone? Maybe. Who knows. We all have a different way of dealing with things. Your way is not better than mine. Mine is not better than yours. Whatever. How do YOU know everyone around him already knows?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 22:18:04 GMT
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