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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 1:32:17 GMT
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Post by greenlegume on May 25, 2015 1:37:07 GMT
I just can't line the pockets of these kinds of people by giving their sites hits.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 2:32:07 GMT
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Post by mystuffandnat on May 25, 2015 4:25:41 GMT
I can't find it now, but I read an article recently about one of the other boys courting. There was a comment that he had gone to some sort of "program" for awhile and people seemed to believe it was a camp to "pray away the gay" or handle some other worldly issue with him. I keep wondering now if it is true and if he did something bad as well. Those thoughts lead me right back to, "who was molesting the boys in that house to turn them into molestors". I really hope that all of the children receive counseling and not just a short time with a family friend, doing menial labor to cure them. I remember that too...I always thought it was to correct his homosexuality...
I will admit I never faithfully watched the show, it was something that I occasionally caught 10-15 minutes of while waiting for the early news...it was like an accident I didn't want to look but I did...The first time I ever watched the show I stayed up and watched 3 episodes back to back - I thought they were some sort of cult family, Jim Bob creped me out beyond belief and Michele, well, I think to many pregnancies have left her with brain damage. Then this came out. I am having a hard time dealing with the fact that there are people defending them, believing that some "hard labor and prayer" made this all better, and we should all forgive and forget. Get out from under the rocks you are living under and see what is really going on in the world. Hard labor and prayer ain't gonna make it all better.
The above post made me think of something else. When The 'family' came to Josh and Anna's for Thanksgiving Anna was all about getting that room 'in the basement' fixed up so that Mommy and Daddy could have some privacy...or was she trying to keep Chester The Original Molester away from her kids?
Isn't one of the boys a police officer - yes he might have been to young when this happened but how can you swear to uphold the law and look at your own brother or go along with the family/friends/people who are defending him?
I hope that some group, like the people who 'rescue' the Fundamentalist Mormon girls come in and offer to take any of the children who want to leave. After CYS drags the parents and offender(s) off. They so deserve a real life.
There are so many other things I want to scream right now, but I wont, I will keep it between me and the laptop.
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Post by jumperhop on May 25, 2015 4:45:02 GMT
Just thinking what a good outcome for this would be. I know there can't be legal justice. Josh has a wife and four kids he needs to feed. What would we like to see happen to Josh now? Jen
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Post by heather on May 25, 2015 4:52:25 GMT
Just thinking what a good outcome for this would be. I know their can't be legal justice. Josh has a wife and four kids he needs to feed. What would we like to see happen to Josh now? Jen A GoFundMe account will be set up and he will get millions of dollars. Is that what I want to happen? Of course not. But I wouldn't be surprised. I truly don't know what a good outcome would be.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 4:53:53 GMT
I'd like to see their show permanently cancelled and all reruns and ondemand episodes pulled. Permanently.
The thought of TLC and JimBob, Michelle and Josh profiting off the exploitation of the victims of their abuse is beyond revolting.
I'd like to see any political candidate who supports Josh Duggar run out of office on rails.
I'd like to see FSM smite JimBob, Michelle and Josh real good.
I'd like to see agencies monitoring Josh Duggar's household and checking on his children. Frequently and permanently.
And most importantly, I'd like to see someone actually help those girls and get them professional counseling and victim support.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 25, 2015 6:12:16 GMT
I agree with you and another poster said he did this when he was 10, not 14. I do feel sorry for the victims and feel it a shame he never got counseling. However I think that was many years ago and now he sleeps with Anna so his curiosity in that department is now gone. Not if his preference is for prepubescent girls, preferably to whom he is related.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on May 25, 2015 7:52:41 GMT
I read somewhere on this thread that we should email the TLC channel. Well, I see that if you want to do that you have to give full name, and address, etc. Anyone know how to get around this and ask for the show to be permanently banned? like even anonymously.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on May 25, 2015 7:58:26 GMT
has anyone on this thread successfully contacted TLC to get the show cancelled permanently?
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Post by Sukkii on May 25, 2015 9:38:11 GMT
I looked at the TLC website about 2 hours ago and there are many, many calls for the show to be cancelled and outrage at the seriousness of the crime, not only the initial one but the cover-up. Actually, I am not sure if it was the FB page but it does seem the tide is turning. Those of us who are outraged and sick about this seem to be being allowed to say so. A few days ago I was disgusted with the comments made on anything to do with the Duggars on these sites. "He was only a kid, he prayed to god" everything about Josh and not one single thing about his poor sisters who have to live with him and their totally horrendous parents.
The few times I caught a trailer I always thought the father was very skeevy and the mother just grinned innately. She reminds me of Shirley Phelps-Roper from WBC. Very, very scary people who have been brainwashed to believe that they have to serve the man in the house and god. Not a single independent thought in their heads.
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Post by Kelpea on May 25, 2015 13:25:44 GMT
No. I seriously doubt that is the case.
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Post by Linda on May 25, 2015 13:46:38 GMT
I read somewhere on this thread that we should email the TLC channel. Well, I see that if you want to do that you have to give full name, and address, etc. Anyone know how to get around this and ask for the show to be permanently banned? like even anonymously. I think if you (general) want to stand on your principles and convictions, you (general) should do so and not attempt to hide behind the screen of anonymity.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:54:02 GMT
I read somewhere on this thread that we should email the TLC channel. Well, I see that if you want to do that you have to give full name, and address, etc. Anyone know how to get around this and ask for the show to be permanently banned? like even anonymously. You can always comment on their facebook page
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 13:56:30 GMT
I have contacted TLC via the contact us, but have not heard back. There are also petitions you can sign. I'll come back with links to the ones that I have found. TLC facebook page is hereTLC website is here. There is a little red box in the bottom right corner labeled 'Feedback' Click and go from there A link to Discovery Relations (parent company) here snail mail address: DCI World Headquarters One Discovery Place Silver Spring, MD 20910 Tel: 240.662.2000 one change.org petition here This one has sponsors listed as well (some are different than the list above) another petition hereanother here
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:02:15 GMT
Here is a list of some of the Sponsors of 19 Kids and Counting Hidden Valley: Phone #: 877-853-7262 Email: goo.gl/nxoNrnDisney: Phone #: (818) 560-1000 Email: goo.gl/lXWZiY Address: 500 S Buena Vista St, Burbank, California 91521-6369 Little Ceasars: Phone # 1-313-983-6000 Address: 2211 Woodward Ave. Detroit, MI 48201 Capital One: Address: 1680 Capital One Drive McClean, VA 22102 Phone #: 1-703-720-1000 Email: webinfo@capitalone.com H&R Block: One H&R Block Way Kansas City, MO 64105 Phone #: 1-816-854-3000 Email: info@hrblock.com KAO Brands: Address: 312 Plum Street Building Cincinnati, OH 45201 Phone #: 513-629-5210 Email: goo.gl/pOKLTEMars: Address: 6885 Elm St. McLean, VA Phone #: 1-703-821-4900 Email: goo.gl/0yDTH1P&G: goo.gl/Ob3V4CMaybelline: goo.gl/0hFXfeState Farm: goo.gl/0irUUwNestle: goo.gl/GXoIXgFlonase: Lysol, Mucinex, Sandals Resort, Charmin, Geico, Chase, Vidal Sasoon, Post Here's the ones in Canada Jergens, Caesar dog food, Rogers (a Canadian telecom), Nivea, X Company (a new show coming on CBC, our national broadcaster, which is not affiliated with TLC or Discovery), Juvéderm, Haute Look (a Nordstrom company), Chapstick, IAMS, John Frieda, David's Bridal, Brookside chocolate, Downy, Joss & Main, Lancaster caramels, Carraba's restaurant, DeVry University, Meta Health Bars, Jimmy Dean, Ricola, Discover credit card, Lays chips, Band-Aid (Johnson & Johnson), Jenny Craig, Skinny Cow, Listerine, KFC, Zzzquil, Rolo, Pizza Hut, Hershey's, Light & Fit protein shakes, Liberty Mutual, Birch Box beauty products, Quaker Oats, and illuMask light therapy mask. Here's the latest list of sponsors that I've seen: Discover CardDisneyLittle CeasarsListerineJimmy DeanDavid's BridalH&R BlockGEICORicolaQuaker OatsMonsanto Company Allstate Insurance Pizza HutLife Alert Crayola John Frieda USLancaster CandyBertolli Band-Aid Brand (Johnson & Johnson)Skinny CowStarburst candy Olay Swiffer ZzzQuilPerdue Chicken Lay'sStouffer’s (pretty sure this is Nestle) Downy Unstopables (proctor & Gamble) Kaopectate NIVEAHead and Shoulders (proctor & Gamble) Little Debbie IKEA USA Estee Lauder Cascade Platinum (proctor & Gamble) L'Oreal Crest 3D White (proctor & Gamble) Esurance Sonic COVERGIRL Kraft Procter & GambleAussie Hair Jergens lotionMinute Rice T.J.Maxx Charmin (maybe Proctor & Gamble?)TripAdvisor Ace Hardware Puffs Tissues Yoplait Clorox OliveGarden I put strikethroughs through any that were already in the previous list to try and make it a bit easier to keep track. Sorry if I missed any duplicates. I've gone ahead and included specific products because some people are just contacting the big corporate entity, some are contacting every brand, and some are boycotting the advertised products, etc.
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Post by Really Red on May 25, 2015 14:12:09 GMT
I really want to know why TLC didn't know this. Both this and the Honey Boo Boo molestation charges are serious and ugly and there is no reason on earth that anyone doing their job, shouldn't have easily found out.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:15:56 GMT
I really want to know why TLC didn't know this. Both this and the Honey Boo Boo molestation charges are serious and ugly and there is no reason on earth that anyone doing their job, shouldn't have easily found out. IMO, they did. The Oprah show made that report before the Duggars had a series. Even basic vetting would have turned this up. But for TLC and the Duggars, it's all about the $$$. First, last, and always.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 25, 2015 14:26:47 GMT
I really want to know why TLC didn't know this. Both this and the Honey Boo Boo molestation charges are serious and ugly and there is no reason on earth that anyone doing their job, shouldn't have easily found out. IMO, they did. The Oprah show made that report before the Duggars had a series. Even basic vetting would have turned this up. But for TLC and the Duggars, it's all about the $$$. First, last, and always. I agree, they knew. They probably figured they'd deal with it if/when it became an issue. It's an issue now, they need to deal with it.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 25, 2015 14:31:20 GMT
I two questions. First how/why did the police report reveal Josh's name since he was a minor? Second, why was it ever ok even to think it was ok to let a child molester be judged by God and not a court of law in the US judicial system. My mind is completely blown that Josh, his parents and who ever else knew about Josh's molestations are not being called into court about this. When did God or religion trump law? Sadly, this is not unusual in controlling religious settings. One only has to look at the scandal of the abusive priests within the Catholic Church to see that clearly displayed. Blame the victim, demand forgiveness and move the paedophile on to another parish.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 25, 2015 14:33:05 GMT
I've signed everything I could find to sign, and have sent emails to both TLC and Discovery. I'll work on sponsors later.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 14:49:32 GMT
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Post by julieb on May 25, 2015 15:41:56 GMT
The state senator must be friends with the Duggars or is a holy roller. It was obtained legally, so his "calling" is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:43:15 GMT
The report was released via a FOIA request, correct? If so, this state senator shouldn't be able to get anyone fired. Whoever released the report had to comply with the FOIA request. Sounds like JimBob is really trying to circle his wagons and call in all the favors he can. He doesn't seem too bright, and his friends seem even duller.
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Post by jumperhop on May 25, 2015 15:47:50 GMT
I really want to know why TLC didn't know this. Both this and the Honey Boo Boo molestation charges are serious and ugly and there is no reason on earth that anyone doing their job, shouldn't have easily found out. I think they had to have known. I heard about the aligations years ago. I am sure they did too. And they had to have had access to more info. jen
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Post by epeanymous on May 25, 2015 16:17:17 GMT
The report was released via a FOIA request, correct? If so, this state senator shouldn't be able to get anyone fired. Whoever released the report had to comply with the FOIA request. Sounds like JimBob is really trying to circle his wagons and call in all the favors he can. He doesn't seem too bright, and his friends seem even duller. I think he has lived most of his adult life in an insular world where he is used to getting his way. He has a family that all has to do whatever he says, and there are a lot of those family members to kowtow to him. He has been a politician in Arkansas and is buddies with a lot of the politicians in Arkansas, so has been able to swing whatever he wants politically. He makes a lot of money off of a tv show where he gets to control the image his family presents. I just don't think he is used to not getting his way or not being able to control his universe. Welcome to the world the rest of us live in, Jim Bob.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:33:04 GMT
I'm gobsmacked that anyone things he did it out of curiosity. This is a family where big kids are given the responsibility of a littler sibling from a shockingly early age. Josh would have been changing diapers, or watching diapers be changed, since his own babyhood. The anatomy of a 4, 6, 8, 10 year old girl wouldn't have been anything to be curios about.
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Post by myboysnme on May 25, 2015 17:15:59 GMT
Let me make this clear as a professional who unfortunately has experience in this area. This was not experimentation. This is sexual abuse and nothing less. Normal boys do not, and let me repeat, do not, have any interest in their siblings. Playing doctor is something we used to call a curiosity about differences between prepubescent children of a very young age. Since most children do not see a doctor looking at them totally naked and poking around, this stereotype is a misnomer. This is not about Josh needing sex so now he gets it from his wife the risk is gone. That is the same as saying a man had to rape because he needed sex, but now he has a wife so no more need to rape.
The Duggers have created an environment that is well outside the norm of society, and it is absolutely expected that a family of this size will have at least one and probably more offspring who rebel. Sexual violations are acts of anger and control, something Josh had too much of - he had too much control of younger siblings and too much anger about that responsibility. I think the entire home is a highly sexualized environment - they created their own insular norms and then invited the media into their home time after time since the older kids were little - setting them up as oddities. The parents failed to protect these children. They and Josh himself should be held accountable under the law if it is possible.
If this happened to a similar family who we did not know of in the media we would have no qualms about stepping in, removing the children and holding the parents and the abusive siblings fully accountable.
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Post by greenlegume on May 25, 2015 17:55:11 GMT
I read somewhere on this thread that we should email the TLC channel. Well, I see that if you want to do that you have to give full name, and address, etc. Anyone know how to get around this and ask for the show to be permanently banned? like even anonymously. I just don't get the need to ask for cancellation anonymously. When I feel this strongly about something, I have no problem using my real name to speak out to companies and sponsors. I'm pretty sure when I went to the TLC feedback section, all I had to do was maybe give an email address. I have an email address just for stuff like this or coupon offers, etc. so my regular box isn't *quite* as spammy, so I guess that could count as anonymous. I didn't have to give my address when I contacted Discovery. But I would have. What are they going to do to me? I'm already on every damned mailing and spam list there is. There's no way to stop the advertising cockroaches, and since I already have to put up with it, I'm going to speak out about issues like this. I'm not posting much on my own timeline, because I just don't post much of anything there on religion and politics, and luckily just about all of my friends are the same way, the couple of religion and politics obsessed ones were unfriended or hidden long ago. Although, I've got no problem posting to TLC, Discovery, and all the show sponsors' pages. While my posts are visible on their fb pages, they don't appear to be on my timeline when I view as public or certain friends. I suppose you could use a fake name or address on petitions, but almost every one I've signed has taken just a state and zip, or sometimes city and zip. I'm pretty conservative with my physical address online, but like I said, all the junk mail people and advertisers had it long ago anyway. The petitions also have boxes you can check where your private info and email addy aren't posted.
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