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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:01:46 GMT
I think "natural curiosity" will be the position Jimbob and Michele take to excuse the molestation.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 0:02:46 GMT
Okay, I just went back and looked it up. Josh only had 5 sisters in 2003. The oldest was 13, the youngest was 4. I think the linked article says that he assaulted family AND friends so some of his sisters may not have been the identified victims.
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Post by fiddlesticks on May 22, 2015 0:07:50 GMT
My heart breaks for those girls. Repeatedly abused by their brother, then violated again when their parents swept it under the rug. It's just disgusting.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 0:08:02 GMT
He was a child himself...naturally curious. Just sad for all involved. I don't think however that I makes him a threat to young daughters. He fondled breasts while the girls slept...wrong no doubt but at 14yrs old.... Oh my hell. Just NO.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 0:16:27 GMT
The evilness and hypocrisy of those two parents is astounding.
I really hope some of those kids are able to get some help and have decent lives.
This is beyond sickening.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:20:08 GMT
He was a child himself...naturally curious. Just sad for all involved. I don't think however that I makes him a threat to young daughters. He fondled breasts while the girls slept...wrong no doubt but at 14yrs old.... I don't even know what to say to this. Naturally curious? Yeah, most 14 year olds have sexual curiosity. Most 14 year olds DO NOT fondle their sleeping siblings to satisfy said curiosity and in no way should something this serious be written off as normal curiosity. This isn't Flowers in the Attic. Disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:20:13 GMT
While I certainly never suspected anything like this, my main criticism of this family has always been that there is no external authority or accountability in their life. Jim Bob runs their home, their church, the children's education, and even at one time was a legal/political authority. This is exactly the type of situation that makes this kind of arrangement is a terrible idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:21:51 GMT
My heart breaks for those girls. Repeatedly abused by their brother, then violated again when their parents swept it under the rug. It's just disgusting. The fact that neither parent stepped in to be an advocate for any of those girls probably makes me even more sick than the actual act of the fondling/molestation.
Just looked at the TLC FB page...plenty of people are demanding they be taken off the air. I honestly don't think TLC has any choice and that they MUST remove them. I hope they do the right thing.
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Post by padresfan619 on May 22, 2015 0:23:21 GMT
Does anyone remember the reports of Michelle Duggar being the voice of political robo-calls against allowing transgender people to use restrooms they felt comfortable with? She said that perverts could use it as a way to abuse children in public bathrooms. She was so concerned about that, yet she allowed an admitted fondler continue to live in her home, after a little manual labor.
Sorry if this was brought up already, I haven't read every single post in the thread.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 0:27:36 GMT
Does anyone remember the reports of Michelle Duggar being the voice of political robo-calls against allowing transgender people to use restrooms they felt comfortable with? She said that perverts could use it as a way to abuse children in public bathrooms. She was so concerned about that, yet she allowed an admitted fondler continue to live in her home, after a little manual labor. Sorry if this was brought up already, I haven't read every single post in the thread. Oh absolutely. Many of us spoke up about it at the time and there were many peas who took issue with that.
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Post by pierogi on May 22, 2015 0:27:57 GMT
Okay, I just went back and looked it up. Josh only had 5 sisters in 2003. The oldest was 13, the youngest was 4. According to the police report, one of the victims was a sister that was fondled while she sat in his lap while he read to her.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:30:24 GMT
I was just reading their statements and while I've never been a fan of the Duggar family, I didn't actively dislike them either. But now, I think they are just terrible people. They are actually saying this brought them all "closer to god" - as though something GOOD came out of their daughters being molested by their son. How must their daughters who were victims feel about that? What disgusting, self-righteous, heartless people those parents are.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:31:56 GMT
Here's the text of the robo calls. Sure Michelle...protect women and girls from all of those perverts using the ladies room...all while looking the other way while your son molested your daughters in their own home. Hello, this is Michelle Duggar. I’m calling to inform you of some shocking news that would affect the safety of Northwest Arkansas women and children. The Fayetteville City Council is voting on an ordinance this Tuesday night that would allow men – yes I said men – to use womens and girls restrooms, locker rooms, showers, sleeping areas and other areas that are designated for females only. I don’t believe the citizens of Fayetteville would want males with past child predator convictions that claim they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas that are reserved for women and girls. I doubt that Fayetteville parents would stand for a law that would endanger their daughters or allow them to be traumatized by a man joining them in their private space. We should never place the preference of an adult over the safety and innocence of a child. Parents, who do you want undressing next to your daughter at the public swimming pool’s private changing area? I still believe that we are a society that puts women and children first. Women, young ladies and little girls deserve to use the restroom or any other facility in peace and safety. Will you speak up for protecting women and children? Call 575-8330 and tell the Fayetteville City Council members and Mayor Jordan to vote ‘no’ on ordinance 119. The number again is 575-8330. For more information please go to www.freefayetteville.org. Paid for by freefayetteville.org.
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Post by jayfab on May 22, 2015 0:34:28 GMT
He was a child himself...naturally curious. Just sad for all involved. I don't think however that I makes him a threat to young daughters. He fondled breasts while the girls slept...wrong no doubt but at 14yrs old.... What the eff???
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 22, 2015 0:34:28 GMT
Does anyone remember the reports of Michelle Duggar being the voice of political robo-calls against allowing transgender people to use restrooms they felt comfortable with? She said that perverts could use it as a way to abuse children in public bathrooms. She was so concerned about that, yet she allowed an admitted fondler continue to live in her home, after a little manual labor. Sorry if this was brought up already, I haven't read every single post in the thread. I mentioned it upthread, but it bears repeating.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 0:35:42 GMT
Their statements in People are just smarmy and disgusting.
Sick, sick, sick that they got away with it-all of it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:35:45 GMT
Does anyone remember the reports of Michelle Duggar being the voice of political robo-calls against allowing transgender people to use restrooms they felt comfortable with? She said that perverts could use it as a way to abuse children in public bathrooms. She was so concerned about that, yet she allowed an admitted fondler continue to live in her home, after a little manual labor. Sorry if this was brought up already, I haven't read every single post in the thread. Oh absolutely. Many of us spoke up about it at the time and there were many peas who took issue with that. I'm certain I've defended them in the past. I don't have to agree with their platform, but they have a right to have it.
You (general) don't get to shut someone up because you don't agree with them. (although sometimes on this board, it would be nice, huh? LOL)
edited to add...to define further...they're using their platform and television show to advance their beliefs...the things they feel strongly about. IMO, they're no different than much of Hollywood that uses their celebrity to advance their beliefs. One leans way right and one leans way left. You can't condemn one without honestly looking at the others who do the exact same thing.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on May 22, 2015 0:38:51 GMT
I read that Josh Duggar has resigned his position with Family Research Council. Good. He asserted that transgender and gay people shouldn't be allowed to marry, etc because they would abuse children. What an ass!
I've never watched this show but I am aware of the family. Hard not to be with all of the media coverage they get.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 0:40:43 GMT
If Refupeas is quiet tonight and you can stomach reading more on this topic, there is an active discussion at Freejinger.org
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Post by jayfab on May 22, 2015 0:45:42 GMT
My heart breaks for those girls. Repeatedly abused by their brother, then violated again when their parents swept it under the rug. It's just disgusting. Yes, this, a thousand times this. Disgusting and my heart is breaking for those girls.
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Post by epeanymous on May 22, 2015 0:45:46 GMT
I was just reading their statements and while I've never been a fan of the Duggar family, I didn't actively dislike them either. But now, I think they are just terrible people. They are actually saying this brought them all "closer to god" - as though something GOOD came out of their daughters being molested by their son. How must their daughters who were victims feel about that? What disgusting, self-righteous, heartless people those parents are. Yeah, that. And also, Josh's "apology" was all about him, nothing about his victims. But, hey, he has a penis in a patriarchal system, so I guess it is all about him, not the girls and women he victimized.
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Post by shescrafty on May 22, 2015 0:46:22 GMT
I posted on the TLC board asking for the show to end. I hope enough people do that so the show is cancelled. Maybe if the camera is not on the house more of the girls can go out and make their own choices.
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Post by elainebenis on May 22, 2015 0:48:10 GMT
Hey Joshie, tell me more about how gays are destroying America's morals and family values. I'm all ears.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 22, 2015 0:48:50 GMT
Oh absolutely. Many of us spoke up about it at the time and there were many peas who took issue with that. I'm certain I've defended them in the past. I don't have to agree with their platform, but they have a right to have it.
You (general) don't get to shut someone up because you don't agree with them. (although sometimes on this board, it would be nice, huh? LOL)
edited to add...to define further...they're using their platform and television show to advance their beliefs...the things they feel strongly about. IMO, they're no different than much of Hollywood that uses their celebrity to advance their beliefs. One leans way right and one leans way left. You can't condemn one without honestly looking at the others who do the exact same thing.
The point wasn't her right to make transphobic robocalls but the irony of her trying to frighten people with tales of transgender boogie men trying to cop peeks at their daughters in the bathroom when her son had done unspeakable things to her daughters under her own roof.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:49:54 GMT
I'm certain I've defended them in the past. I don't have to agree with their platform, but they have a right to have it.
You (general) don't get to shut someone up because you don't agree with them. (although sometimes on this board, it would be nice, huh? LOL)
edited to add...to define further...they're using their platform and television show to advance their beliefs...the things they feel strongly about. IMO, they're no different than much of Hollywood that uses their celebrity to advance their beliefs. One leans way right and one leans way left. You can't condemn one without honestly looking at the others who do the exact same thing.
The point wasn't her right to make transphobic robocalls but the irony of her trying to frighten people with tales of transgender boogie men trying to cop peaks at their daughters in the bathroom when her son had done unspeakable things to her daughter's under her own roof. Yup.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 0:52:33 GMT
I'm certain I've defended them in the past. I don't have to agree with their platform, but they have a right to have it.
You (general) don't get to shut someone up because you don't agree with them. (although sometimes on this board, it would be nice, huh? LOL)
edited to add...to define further...they're using their platform and television show to advance their beliefs...the things they feel strongly about. IMO, they're no different than much of Hollywood that uses their celebrity to advance their beliefs. One leans way right and one leans way left. You can't condemn one without honestly looking at the others who do the exact same thing.
The point wasn't her right to make transphobic robocalls but the irony of her trying to frighten people with tales of transgender boogie men trying to cop peaks at their daughters in the bathroom when her son had done unspeakable things to her daughter's under her own roof. I agree that Michelle making those phone calls while she had a predator preying on her own girls in their own homes is pure hypocrisy.
But we didn't know all of this (or at least have the evidence of this) a year ago when the robocalls were done. So the outrage over the robocalls had nothing to do with they hypocrisy of Michelle making the recording, but all about people believing that Michelle had no right to be concerned about anyone using the ladies room or how any of the Duggars felt about gay,lesbian,bi, transgendered, gender fluid people.
Not sure I explained what I was trying to say. Hopefully you understand.
Edited to add some further clarification because clearly, more than one person didn't understand what I was trying to say
Back when the robocalls were made, I would've defended Michelle's right to make those calls...even though I disagreed with her opinion, using fear...the works.
But today, I would not defend Michelle's right to make those calls...because she clearly has no issue subjecting her own girls to abuse and molestation...and she's nothing but a hypocrite to try to label someone whose lifestyle she disagrees with as a pedophile or pervert.
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Post by utmr on May 22, 2015 0:54:44 GMT
This rumor has been around for many years, over at TWoP and FJ. I'm not a Duggar fan - I think their beliefs are nuts and certainly lend themselves to allowing abusive situations to occur. But I'm hesitant to rush to judgment over years-old gossip. If it turns out to be true, then throw the book at him. But in the meantime this is a young man with very young children who deserves privacy if this is not true. Perhaps this will lead to more scrutiny upon the quiverful movement, Gothardism and the hate group for which he works. In the meantime, I think the real test will be TLCs reaction. They don't seem to mind capitalizing over people's interest in watching freak shows and train wrecks, but they were quick to distance themselves from Honey Boo Boo when those allegations came out. Earlier today I made the above comments. I just finished reading the police report (over at FJ if you can stomach it). I want to retract my comment about not rushing to judgement. Based on the police reports, it is my opinion that the accusations appear to be valid, and. that the family furthered the abuse by protecting him, covering it up and marrying him off. Going out to the shed now to find my torch and pitchfork...
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 1:00:02 GMT
No one ever said that Michelle didn't have the right to make those calls a year ago. Ever.
Disagreeing with her and speaking out about it was all that happened.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 22, 2015 1:07:00 GMT
Previously. TV Forums (formerly television without pity) has a long thread going, if you want more background on this. I was never a fan of this family. I really hope the show gets canceled and those girls run for the hills.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:09:07 GMT
No one ever said that Michelle didn't have the right to make those calls a year ago. Ever. Disagreeing with her and speaking out about it was all that happened. I was referring to this comment that you made earlier in this thread
"Many of us spoke up about it at the time and there were many peas who took issue with that."
Which translates to "many peas spoke up against MD making the robo calls at the time and there were many peas who took issue with us being against MD making those calls".
OMG...maybe I need a drink.
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