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Post by metaldancer on May 22, 2015 1:10:19 GMT
I haven't read all of the posts, but I have to say I'm really not surprised.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 22, 2015 1:11:48 GMT
The point wasn't her right to make transphobic robocalls but the irony of her trying to frighten people with tales of transgender boogie men trying to cop peaks at their daughters in the bathroom when her son had done unspeakable things to her daughter's under her own roof. I agree that Michelle making those phone calls while she had a predator preying on her own girls in their own homes is pure hypocrisy.
But we didn't know all of this (or at least have the evidence of this) a year ago when the robocalls were done. So the outrage over the robocalls had nothing to do with they hypocrisy of Michelle making the recording, but all about people believing that Michelle had no right to be concerned about anyone using the ladies room or how any of the Duggars felt about gay,lesbian,bi, transgendered, gender fluid people.
Not sure I explained what I was trying to say. Hopefully you understand.
Edited to add some further clarification because clearly, more than one person didn't understand what I was trying to say
Back when the robocalls were made, I would've defended Michelle's right to make those calls...even though I disagreed with her opinion, using fear...the works.
But today, I would not defend Michelle's right to make those calls...because she clearly has no issue subjecting her own girls to abuse and molestation...and she's nothing but a hypocrite to try to label someone whose lifestyle she disagrees with as a pedophile or pervert.
No, you're right - my issue at the time was purely based on the whole transphobia thing. Even now, while stunned at her gall, I'll still defend her right to have made the calls.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 1:17:07 GMT
No one ever said that Michelle didn't have the right to make those calls a year ago. Ever. Disagreeing with her and speaking out about it was all that happened. I was referring to this comment that you made earlier in this thread
"Many of us spoke up about it at the time and there were many peas who took issue with that."
Which translates to "many peas spoke up against MD making the robo calls at the time and there were many peas who took issue with us being against MD making those calls".
OMG...maybe I need a drink.
Pretty much, yeah. I could use one, too. There were a lot of peas who were very, very vocal that anyone who didn't like the Duggars just needed to shut up. And like Dalai said, the issue was with the trans-phobia. She totally had the right to make her calls and be a bigot. And people opposed to the bigotry had every right to say so.
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Post by Olan on May 22, 2015 1:18:59 GMT
None of the Duggar loving peas have posted on this thread.
I am both sickened and saddened at the Duggars attempt to sweep this thing under the rug
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Post by julieb on May 22, 2015 1:22:42 GMT
They are admitting it took place and it looks like TLC has cancelled the show. Oops - not cancelled.
Josh Duggar
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Post by MDscrapaholic on May 22, 2015 1:24:18 GMT
I am shocked and saddened hearing this. I always thought it was wrong of the parents to make the older kids raise the younger ones. Without supervision something like this is bound to happen.
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Post by julieb on May 22, 2015 1:25:42 GMT
This makes me ill. "I understood that if I continued down this wrong road that I would end up ruining my life.”
Because you didn't ruin your victims' lives? I can't believe they could even be in the same room with him, let alone live in the same house.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:27:25 GMT
They are admitting it took place and it looks like TLC has cancelled the show
Josh Duggar I'm not seeing anything that indicates TLC is taking the show off the air.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 1:27:46 GMT
They are admitting it took place and it looks like TLC has cancelled the show
Josh Duggar Where are getting info that TLC cancelled the show? It's not in that people article, and it doesn't come up with a google search. Public outcry and calls to cancel the show, yes. Actual cancellation? Can't find it. ??
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Post by julieb on May 22, 2015 1:28:42 GMT
Different link:
TLC cancelling 19 and counting
SORRY - HARD TO READ ON MY COMPUTER (had a pop up blocking it) - SAYS "SHOULD" (and I scrolled too quickly). MY APOLOGIES.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:28:56 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions-
How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person.
Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people.
There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:29:25 GMT
I am shocked and saddened hearing this. I always thought it was wrong of the parents to make the older kids raise the younger ones. Without supervision something like this is bound to happen. While I agree that parental supervision is necessary and it's wrong to have the older children have so much responsibility for raising the younger ones, I vehemently disagree that something like this is "bound to happen" in that situation. Most siblings are not predators. Even with a lack of supervision, this wouldn't happen in most families. Sadly, though, the situation the Duggars set up made it easier for it to go undetected.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:31:33 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood? First I'm hearing of this so I can't commen other than to say no it is never right. Ever. As for the rest molesting your siblings is no mistake. Period.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:32:40 GMT
Sexual abuse is never a "mistake."
You don't "accidentally" fondle someone.
It's an intentional act by a sick person, not a momentary lapse of judgment.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:33:21 GMT
Sexual abuse is never a "mistake." You don't "accidentally" fondle someone. It's an intentional act by a sick person, not a momentary lapse of judgment. Exactly.
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Post by tduby1 on May 22, 2015 1:33:28 GMT
He was a child himself...naturally curious. Just sad for all involved. I don't think however that I makes him a threat to young daughters. He fondled breasts while the girls slept...wrong no doubt but at 14yrs old.... I wonder if you would feel differently if the 14 year old neighbor boy just "fondled breasts" belonging to your little girl. (By the way he touched their vaginas as well).
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 1:33:41 GMT
Who said that the girls were his sisters? Is he a 'normal' 14yr old boy? My son would have known better at that age but under the severe restrictions under which these kids live, he had little to no access to anything outside his home. I'm certainly not condoning his behavior I just think they are other facets to this. These kids are socially very immature...especially with sexuality. My son goes to a conservative private school but he certainly had access to older 'kids' at that age and the internet. I think the duggar kids are so limited to the REAL outside world that it makes me sad. No way to learn or ask other KIDS about things. Jim Bob have him the birds and bees talk the night before his WEDDING!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:34:27 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood?No idea who Lena Dunham is or what she did.
As far as your words I bolded...I have no words. Josh did not make "terrible mistakes". He committed a crime. His parents should be charged with committing a crime because how they handled it...or better yet, how they DIDN'T handle it. They had zero regard for any child in their home...male or female and I cannot fathom why authorities were not involved and how CPS was not involved.
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Post by christine58 on May 22, 2015 1:35:05 GMT
They are admitting it took place and it looks like TLC has cancelled the show
Josh Duggar It's on right now...if they--TLC--were serious about canceling the show, they would have pulled it tonight. He's a PIG who molested his sisters. They're all brainwashed into believing that because God is so present in their lives, he is forgiven? Makes me sick.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:35:15 GMT
Sexual abuse is never a "mistake." You don't "accidentally" fondle someone. It's an intentional act by a sick person, not a momentary lapse of judgment. Exactly.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 1:35:21 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood?^batshittery^ And sadly, I'm not surprised that lynlam would defend child molestors. Molestation is not a "mistake." It's a conscious decision.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 1:36:52 GMT
Who said that the girls were his sisters? Is he a 'normal' 14yr old boy? My son would have known better at that age but under the severe restrictions under which these kids live, he had little to no access to anything outside his home. I'm certainly not condoning his behavior I just think they are other facets to this. These kids are socially very immature...especially with sexuality. My son goes to a conservative private school but he certainly had access to older 'kids' at that age and the internet. I think the duggar kids are so limited to the REAL outside world that it makes me sad. No way to learn or ask other KIDS about things. Jim Bob have him the birds and bees talk the night before his WEDDING! The police report shows that at least 4 of the five victims were his sisters. And sheltered or not it is wrong. Period.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 1:39:48 GMT
Who said that the girls were his sisters? Is he a 'normal' 14yr old boy? My son would have known better at that age but under the severe restrictions under which these kids live, he had little to no access to anything outside his home. I'm certainly not condoning his behavior I just think they are other facets to this. These kids are socially very immature...especially with sexuality. My son goes to a conservative private school but he certainly had access to older 'kids' at that age and the internet. I think the duggar kids are so limited to the REAL outside world that it makes me sad. No way to learn or ask other KIDS about things. Jim Bob have him the birds and bees talk the night before his WEDDING! Unbelievable. SMH
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Post by rst on May 22, 2015 1:42:29 GMT
Keep in mind that the sisters in the home at that time ranged in age from 12 to 4. And there are multiple reported incidents.
The word "mistake" does not apply, and it's hideous that they seem to think that they can spin it all that way.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 22, 2015 1:47:33 GMT
Putting lynlam (finally) on ignore because she truly makes me want to vomit.
And yes, I absolutely found Lena Dunham's sexual molestation of her sister exactly that. She should have lost her entertainment career after that revelation.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 1:48:18 GMT
@lynlam , I think it is disgusting that you are trying to say that people who are in support of gay rights are in support of same-sex molestation. Are you just trying to stir up some controversy or are you really such a twat?
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on May 22, 2015 1:48:50 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood? I never heard of Lena Dunham so I had to google her. A 7 year old looking in her baby sister's vagina to see if she really had eggs already (after her mother said girls are born with tiny eggs that can't grow into babies until you are older). Is NOT. Sexual abuse. Age and context matter. A 14 year old boy fondling both breasts and vagina of younger siblings and friends IS abuse. Apparently the original story stated that she was 17 at the time instead of 7, which of course would have made her worthy of the same outrage and disgust being directed at Josh D.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 22, 2015 1:48:56 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood? Sorry, I have no idea who that is so your 'gotcha' is going to have to fall a little flat. Now, how exactly has Josh atoned for repeatedly molesting younger girls in his household - how is repeatedly doing something a 'mistake' again? He claims that he's glad that he stopped doing it because, goodness knows, it would have ruined his life but atonement? I'm unclear how you think the girls would put this behind them. There was lots of talk of Josh being counselled through his teenage angst, but not much talk of counselling for his victims.
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Post by samantha25 on May 22, 2015 1:49:05 GMT
Are there reports of the victims telling their story or if they were ever questioned? How terrible and traumatic when the victims had to see the predator. How could parents allow this?
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Post by tduby1 on May 22, 2015 1:51:26 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood? What the HECK are you rambling on about? Who the HECK is Lena Dunham. And how does one atone for destroying another persons life. "Oooopsies, sorry. But God forgives me". As A Christian I'm willing to say that is what makes Christians like you suck. You think you can do whatever you please and then apologize to God and it magically goes away. it does not.
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