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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 1:52:01 GMT
I have no idea who Lena Dunham is, so I guess I'm going to have to google.
But to claim that Josh Duggar molesting someone is just a mistake, or ok because there are other molestors out there is just beyond the pale.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 1:52:55 GMT
Again...I'm not making light of a tragic situation...it just sadly doesn't surprise me given their way of life. I'm in no way condoning it or brushing it off....but the whole situation is whacked. The preaching of absolute abstinence leaves no outlet for kids to learn about sexuality. And sharing rooms 10 kids to a room? Research has shown that MOST kids/people masturbate at some point in their lives...can you imagine living in such a restrictive environment? I'm sure they would have been condemned to Hell for masturbating!!! It's just a sad sad situation...but ripe for the picking
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Post by doesitmatter on May 22, 2015 1:54:00 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood? This is the first I've heard of the Lena Dunham thing...wtf? If what you said is true- I definitely have a problem with it and would cosnider her a sex offender. I hadn't heard anything about this, but I'm going to go look now. Scary people out there for damn sure.
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Post by tduby1 on May 22, 2015 1:55:58 GMT
Who said that the girls were his sisters? Is he a 'normal' 14yr old boy? My son would have known better at that age but under the severe restrictions under which these kids live, he had little to no access to anything outside his home. I'm certainly not condoning his behavior I just think they are other facets to this. These kids are socially very immature...especially with sexuality. My son goes to a conservative private school but he certainly had access to older 'kids' at that age and the internet. I think the duggar kids are so limited to the REAL outside world that it makes me sad. No way to learn or ask other KIDS about things. Jim Bob have him the birds and bees talk the night before his WEDDING! It's pretty obvious according to the police reports they were his sisters. He was sneaking around their house in the middle of the night, going into the girls shared room and molesting them. Multiple times. Who would YOU assume was sleeping in those rooms? Actually, if your going to argue this situation without reading the facts it's a waste to even discuss it with you. You are just making shit up.
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Post by Olan on May 22, 2015 1:57:40 GMT
Gavinsmom how can you say his sheltered upbringing should serve as an excuse for him sexually abuse his siblings when that very same sheltered upbringing involves strict codes for courtship of WILLING women. If you can't fucking full body hug your future wife what gives you the right to fondle your sister.
Lynlam please STFU. You come into every thread with the same fucking nonsense. What does someone's sick twisted attempt to sell a stupid book have to do with parents allowing an abuser to come back into the home after manual labor and fervent prayer. Sick!
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Post by pierogi on May 22, 2015 1:59:47 GMT
Bringing up the unrelated Lena Dunham childhood incident is just attempted whatabouttery or tu quoque. We're talking about Josh Duggar.
Now if Josh Duggar had molested Lena Dunham, or she him, then it would be relevant.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 22, 2015 2:00:45 GMT
After reading more about this on various sites and here, I have given it alot of thought but I don't know if I can articulate what I *think* I would have done if I was the parent and this was my teenage son when this happened... it seems there are a lot more details now than we 1st heard about what the parents did and didn't do or know etc.....
I had a glass of wine with dinner and just don't feel like ... maybe I will post more tomorrow..
Until then I will say, I am so thankful that I am not in this situation and but for the grace of God go I. It is heartbreaking and horrific.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 2:01:54 GMT
Leave it to lynlam to try and turn EVERYTHING - even sexual abuse - into a liberal vs conservative thing. It's WRONG, no matter the political leanings of the offender. WRONG WRONG WRONG.
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Post by tduby1 on May 22, 2015 2:03:14 GMT
Gavinsmom how can you say his sheltered upbringing should serve as an excuse for him sexually abuse his siblings when that very same sheltered upbringing involves strict codes for courtship of WILLING women. If you can't fucking full body hug your future wife what gives you the right to fondle your sister. Lynlam please STFU. You come into every thread with the same fucking nonsense. What does someone's sick twisted attempt to sell a stupid book have to do with parents allowing an abuser to come back into the home after manual labor and fervent prayer. Sick! I really, really hope @lynlam and gavinsmom do not have daughters.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 2:04:02 GMT
I did not read the police reports. I stand corrected on the victims identities. It just seemed that a lot of conclusions were being drawn early on without a lot of info to back it up. I hate a public lynching based on heresay. He deserved to be punished without a doubt...my point was that I'm just not surprised given their upbringing and his level of maturity...especially regarding sex and sexuality
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Post by doesitmatter on May 22, 2015 2:05:04 GMT
None of the Duggar loving peas have posted on this thread. I am both sickened and saddened at the Duggars attempt to sweep this thing under the rug Not true, I have always liked the Duggars and I am here. I don't agree with all of their choices / lifestyle just as I am sure they don't like mine, and many of us peas disagree on these things as well. Just because I have always liked them and defend their rights as Christians and people doesn't mean that I don't think molestation / sexual assualt isnt' a crime and shouldn't be punished as such.
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Post by coffeetalk on May 22, 2015 2:06:45 GMT
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 2:07:54 GMT
Really? Because I dared not partake in a lynch mob without facts? I shouldn't have a daughter because I can understand how their views and immaturity could have easily lead to something like this? That boy had hormones and feelings that were repressed and shamed. And it's surprising that he acted in such a way? I guess I feel some compassion for a boy raised that way. If that makes me unfit to mother a daughter so be it. Never condoned it...just can understand how it could happen
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Post by jayfab on May 22, 2015 2:09:16 GMT
I haven't read most if the thread, but I have questions- How many of you defended and supported Lena Dunham when her revelations of sexual "curiosity" with her little sister came out? She never faced charges. She never had parents that got her and her sister to counseling. Hell, she's proud of it to this day. She was raised a sick twisted person and is proud to still be a sick and twisted person. Is outrage only reserved for those whom you can pin the "hypocrite" badge upon? Or is it okay to engage in same sex molestation, because it's cool to be gay or bi now? Or perhaps it's just not considered molestation when a girl does it, especially one raised by sexually loose and morally bankrupt parents. Ones raised by Christian parents, well they better never step outta line one iota, because that makes them evil, horrible people. There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood? You are full of shit. MISTAKE??? Allowed to put it behind HIM!?!!! Yea, sure, to hell with the those girls who will have to live with the memory for the rest of their lives!!! The memory/shame NEVER goes away.He should pay for his mistake CRIME!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 2:12:06 GMT
Really? Because I dared not partake in a lynch mob without facts? I shouldn't have a daughter because I can understand how their views and immaturity could have easily lead to something like this? That boy had hormones and feelings that were repressed and shamed. And it's surprising that he acted in such a way? I guess I feel some compassion for a boy raised that way. If that makes me unfit to mother a daughter so be it. Never condoned it...just can understand how it could happen The police report was in the first link I posted. All the info was right there. It was no lynch mob with no facts.
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Post by theshyone on May 22, 2015 2:12:32 GMT
There is no excuse for Josh's actions, but by all accounts he has atoned for it, sought help for it, and he should be allowed to put it behind him, as should the girls. Should we all have our lives ruined by terrible mistakes made in childhood? I don't believe there is atonement for sexual abusers as there is no relief for victims. I don't belief a molester is ever cured, fixed, changed, once an abuser always an abuser. Sexual molestation isn't a "mistake", it doesn't "just" happen. So yes his life should be ruined. His parents for not protecting the girls are just as guilty.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 2:15:08 GMT
Gavinsmom how can you say his sheltered upbringing should serve as an excuse for him sexually abuse his siblings when that very same sheltered upbringing involves strict codes for courtship of WILLING women. If you can't fucking full body hug your future wife what gives you the right to fondle your sister. Lynlam please STFU. You come into every thread with the same fucking nonsense. What does someone's sick twisted attempt to sell a stupid book have to do with parents allowing an abuser to come back into the home after manual labor and fervent prayer. Sick! I really, really hope @lynlam and gavinsmom do not have daughters. Or sons.
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Post by Olan on May 22, 2015 2:20:11 GMT
None of the Duggar loving peas have posted on this thread. I am both sickened and saddened at the Duggars attempt to sweep this thing under the rug Not true, I have always liked the Duggars and I am here. I don't agree with all of their choices / lifestyle just as I am sure they don't like mine, and many of us peas disagree on these things as well. Just because I have always liked them and defend their rights as Christians and people doesn't mean that I don't think molestation / sexual assualt isnt' a crime and shouldn't be punished as such. Are you one of the more vocal peas who posts on every single Duggar thread in support of their lifestyle? No? Then I wasn't referring to you.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 22, 2015 2:21:21 GMT
Thank you for this link - the otherr report I read was obviously not the full report and this one you linked one has much more detail and does seem to be very specific and clear that the parents had knowledge of the molestations on more than one occassion....
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Post by scrappinmama on May 22, 2015 2:22:20 GMT
How is anyone even defending this behavior? I knew those parents were FITH, but I never could have imagined it was this messed up.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 22, 2015 2:22:30 GMT
Not true, I have always liked the Duggars and I am here. I don't agree with all of their choices / lifestyle just as I am sure they don't like mine, and many of us peas disagree on these things as well. Just because I have always liked them and defend their rights as Christians and people doesn't mean that I don't think molestation / sexual assualt isnt' a crime and shouldn't be punished as such. Are you one of the more vocal peas who posts on every single Duggar thread in support of their lifestyle? No? Then I wasn't referring to you. ok
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 2:23:58 GMT
Really? Because I dared not partake in a lynch mob without facts? I shouldn't have a daughter because I can understand how their views and immaturity could have easily lead to something like this? That boy had hormones and feelings that were repressed and shamed. And it's surprising that he acted in such a way? I guess I feel some compassion for a boy raised that way. If that makes me unfit to mother a daughter so be it. Never condoned it...just can understand how it could happen I refrained from participating in this thread when it was all the headlines in a gossip rag. When I read the police report, I spoke up and began partaking in the "lynch mob". The link to the police report was there when you were still brushing it off to teen hormones and typical 14yo boy behavior.
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Post by Skellinton on May 22, 2015 2:27:02 GMT
Gavinsmom how can you say his sheltered upbringing should serve as an excuse for him sexually abuse his siblings when that very same sheltered upbringing involves strict codes for courtship of WILLING women. If you can't fucking full body hug your future wife what gives you the right to fondle your sister. Lynlam please STFU. You come into every thread with the same fucking nonsense. What does someone's sick twisted attempt to sell a stupid book have to do with parents allowing an abuser to come back into the home after manual labor and fervent prayer. Sick! I really, really hope @lynlam and gavinsmom do not have daughters. I hope they don't have children, period.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 2:30:56 GMT
Who is defending criminal behavior? My point was I can UNDERSTAND how this COULD happen given the nature of their lifestyle. These kids are freakishly immature and repressed about sexuality. A boy with crazy teenage hormones, a sexually repressive 'religion'/belief system, no outlet for information/curiosity fact checking, no privacy for dealing with your own damn body...recipe for disaster! He SHOULD have been punished! But a public hanging NOW doesn't erase the problem. And for ME..fondling breasts is WAY better in my minds cubicle than genitals. It's all wrong...but that just seems much worse to me. Abuse is abuse just like a sin is a sin but we all have our own levels of atrocity
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 2:33:45 GMT
Who is defending criminal behavior? My point was I can UNDERSTAND how this COULD happen given the nature of their lifestyle. These kids are freakishly immature and repressed about sexuality. A boy with crazy teenage hormones, a sexually repressive 'religion'/belief system, no outlet for information/curiosity fact checking, no privacy for dealing with your own damn body...recipe for disaster! He SHOULD have been punished! But a public hanging NOW doesn't erase the problem. And for ME..fondling breasts is WAY better in my minds cubicle than genitals. It's all wrong...but that just seems much worse to me. Abuse is abuse just like a sin is a sin but we all have our own levels of atrocity You may not exactly be "defending" it, but you're sure doing a bang-up job of making excuses for it. Some of the charges leveled were FELONIES.
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Post by mystuffandnat on May 22, 2015 2:34:46 GMT
YES
WOULD ANYONE EXPECT ANYTHING LESS FROM THAT FREAK SHOW? Yes I said it and meant it.
AND NOW I WILL HAVE NIGHTMARES.
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Post by scrapmaven on May 22, 2015 2:35:45 GMT
Josh Duggar is a douchebag of epic proportions. He has the absolute gall to vocally speak out against gay people, yet he is a predator. His wife is probably too brainwashed to know that she should leave him and get her kids to a safe place. The damage that his parents would have done by covering it up and not protecting their daughters is worse than the offense itself. I say that because forcing the daughters to keep it silent(if they did that and I assume they did)sends the message to the daughters that Josh didn't do anything that bad and that they are sluts who were responsible for turning him on. Odds are that they would have to pray for forgiveness for their sin of tempting their innocent-just-giving-into-temptation brother. I'm aghast.
TLC will either cancel the show or fire just Josh and his family. Frankly, I think those girls, if they were the victims need counseling and need to get copies of the Courage to Heal and let that be their bible right now. Why is this pervert not in prison if he committed such heinous acts? He's a disgusting pig. What makes a used car salesman an expert in gay rights and what credentials does he have in order to be a lobbyist against gay rights? He's a used car salesman!
Gay marriage imho is a natural and beautiful thing and shouldn't be a Supreme court issue. It should just be legal. However, child sexual abuse should be punished w/life in prison and disgust for the animals who do it. There is no cure for sexual predators. That's why they never belong in society.
Ya, my opnions are pretty damn narrow minded on this issue, but sex offenders are animals. PERIOD!
ETA: The article in People said that the victims were given counseling. If that's true the parents get a little bit of leeway, but the fact that Josh was allowed to live in the home, knowing he was a predator is inexcusable. You don't make an arsonist the fire chief.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 2:37:12 GMT
Who is defending criminal behavior? My point was I can UNDERSTAND how this COULD happen given the nature of their lifestyle. These kids are freakishly immature and repressed about sexuality. A boy with crazy teenage hormones, a sexually repressive 'religion'/belief system, no outlet for information/curiosity fact checking, no privacy for dealing with your own damn body...recipe for disaster! He SHOULD have been punished! But a public hanging NOW doesn't erase the problem. And for ME..fondling breasts is WAY better in my minds cubicle than genitals. It's all wrong...but that just seems much worse to me. Abuse is abuse just like a sin is a sin but we all have our own levels of atrocity Maybe you should read the police reports. He DID fondle their genitals. And more. Sexually forcing yourself on anyone AT ANY AGE is NEVER ok. NONE of it is ok. NONE of it is "understandable." That's bullshit excuse-making and it's disgusting.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 2:37:30 GMT
Whatever. The whole thing is just sad. I don't even like the Duggars but I can certainly have some basic human understanding of why some people do the things that they do...and apparently I'm an unfit parent because of it
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 22, 2015 2:39:08 GMT
Bringing up the unrelated Lena Dunham childhood incident is just attempted whatabouttery or tu quoque. "Whatabouttery." My new favorite word. (Handy, too, 'cause I never remember how to pronounce 'tu quoque.")
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