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Post by lumo on May 22, 2015 3:21:57 GMT
I think teenagers do really stupid things sometimes....historically. A good friends 13yr old daughter recently sent a nude selfie to a boy she KNEW better but did it anyway. Kids are inherently stupid at times...it doesn't mean that they will ALWAYS be stupid. I snuck out of the house as a teen..'borrowed' a friends moms car..well HE did...none of us were licensed drivers. Stupid? You betcha! Dangerous? Absolutely. None of us are criminals and all relatively successful at life. Josh Duggars stupidity affected others...that's the real tragedy. Dude. Going for a joyride and MOLESTING YOUR SISTER are not even in the same ballpark. Maybe not even the same planet.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:22:01 GMT
I don't see his goodness either...he has annoyed me to no end from the beginning. But his wife sees goodness...she is the one who will be most affected if he does re offend
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:23:06 GMT
But stupid is stupid....sin is sin...abuse is abuse. We all want to categorize but we all categorize differently.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 3:23:59 GMT
I hope Anna always has an eye peeled for unusual behavior This may not be the best strategy to protect anyone from sexual abuse. Not necessarily just Josh but, sexual offenders are a smarmy group....they often act glib and charming (cough..cough...sounds like the older Mr. Duggar) and can be threatening and coercive with victims. The dynamics of inter familial sexual abuse, coupled with the family's belief system, make Anna much less likely to be aware if her children are being victimized. I think it's naive to pin our hopes on Anna.
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Post by scrapmaven on May 22, 2015 3:24:12 GMT
I'm sure HE wishes he could have 'borrowed' a playboy from someone and masturbated like most normal boys do.... I'm sure his victims wish that far more than he does. I just can't give him a break on this one. It's like eating a whole container of ice cream and then telling yourself that you'll start your diet first thing in the morning. It's easy to feel sorry when you are sexually satisfied. It's harder to control when the urge becomes too great for you and you see your daughter naked in the bathtub. He's dangerous.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 22, 2015 3:24:41 GMT
I think teenagers do really stupid things sometimes....historically. A good friends 13yr old daughter recently sent a nude selfie to a boy she KNEW better but did it anyway. Kids are inherently stupid at times...it doesn't mean that they will ALWAYS be stupid. I snuck out of the house as a teen..'borrowed' a friends moms car..well HE did...none of us were licensed drivers. Stupid? You betcha! Dangerous? Absolutely. None of us are criminals and all relatively successful at life. Josh Duggars stupidity affected others...that's the real tragedy. Dude. Going for a joyride and MOLESTING YOUR SISTER are not even in the same ballpark. Maybe not even the same planet. ^that theres stupid teen shit then there's fondling your sleeping sisters (multiple sisters, multiple times). Light years apart.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 3:26:25 GMT
I'm sure HE wishes he could have 'borrowed' a playboy from someone and masturbated like most normal boys do.... Your not including the power/control dynamic. His problem is not just that he didn't have an outlet.
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Post by Ryann on May 22, 2015 3:26:54 GMT
I think teenagers do really stupid things sometimes....historically. A good friends 13yr old daughter recently sent a nude selfie to a boy she KNEW better but did it anyway. Kids are inherently stupid at times...it doesn't mean that they will ALWAYS be stupid. I snuck out of the house as a teen..'borrowed' a friends moms car..well HE did...none of us were licensed drivers. Stupid? You betcha! Dangerous? Absolutely. None of us are criminals and all relatively successful at life. Josh Duggars stupidity affected others...that's the real tragedy. I don't think comparing Josh's molestation of his sisters to you sneaking out of the house as a teenager are even remotely comparable. He physically violated them. You disobeyed your parents/curfew. Apples and oranges. What he did goes well beyond a teenager doing something stupid, as you put it.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 3:27:37 GMT
I think teenagers do really stupid things sometimes....historically. A good friends 13yr old daughter recently sent a nude selfie to a boy she KNEW better but did it anyway. Kids are inherently stupid at times...it doesn't mean that they will ALWAYS be stupid. I snuck out of the house as a teen..'borrowed' a friends moms car..well HE did...none of us were licensed drivers. Stupid? You betcha! Dangerous? Absolutely. None of us are criminals and all relatively successful at life. Josh Duggars stupidity affected others...that's the real tragedy. Dude. Going for a joyride and MOLESTING YOUR SISTER are not even in the same ballpark. Maybe not even the same planet. As you continue to try and explain how and why you feel the way you do, you continue to say things that leave me, and others here, just shaking their head.
Yes, kids (teens) do really stupid things. To me, there is a huge difference between going for a joyride, getting caught sneaking out, or smoking and molesting/fondling several of your sisters. HUGE. I can't even believe you'd try to compare "normal" teenaged stupid decisions and molestation.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 3:29:11 GMT
I don't see his goodness either...he has annoyed me to no end from the beginning. But his wife sees goodness...she is the one who will be most affected if he does re offend No. His victims will be the ones who will be most affected. Unless you are assuming that she might be one of the people that he could offend against?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 3:36:32 GMT
But his wife sees goodness...she is the one who will be most affected if he does re offend Actually, no, his victim(s) will be the one(s) most affected if he reoffends.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:36:52 GMT
But can't you see that he isn't NORMAL! The family isn't NORMAL...his crimes aren't normal but his abnormal situation perpetuated a horrific situation. These kids are being raised in an incredible repressive environment. It will be a true miracle if ANY of them turn out to be what MOST of us consider NORMAL!! Hell...Jill said that she felt God with her all the way through her 70hr labor and emergency c-section. I'm a Christian and don't believe God lead me to an emergency c-section to make me a better person. These people aren't NORMAL...we can't measure by a society gauged measuring stick. NORMAL kids don't think about fondling their sisters while they sleep because they are NORMAL! Their belief system is cult like. With weird beliefs you get weird behaviors. Jim Bob and Michelle didn't handle things well BEFORE it happened!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 3:38:15 GMT
I don't see his goodness either...he has annoyed me to no end from the beginning. But his wife sees goodness... she is the one who will be most affected if he does re offendNo. His victims will be the ones who will be most affected. Unless you are assuming that she might be one of the people that he could offend against? Exactly. Why would his wife be more a victim if he again violates someone than the person he violated? His wife will be "most affected if he does re offend" Complete. Bull. Shit.
The more you say, the deeper the hole you're digging becomes.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:38:29 GMT
Obviously his victims but it's no longer his parents who's lives with be turned upside down...Anna will be left with that burden. Her life ruined because of HIS actions
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:39:40 GMT
I think it goes without saying that his victims would be the most affected
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Post by scrapmaven on May 22, 2015 3:41:01 GMT
Eventhough they are raised in an abnormal environment, they still have innate senses of right vs. wrong. Being raised in an abnormal environment isn't an excuse for sexual abuse. In fact, it makes it even weirder.
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Post by scrapmaven on May 22, 2015 3:42:04 GMT
As for Anna, she KNEW. She KNEW. Yet she chose to both marry and have children w/him. She's not a victim, but she is imho an idiot.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:42:44 GMT
I can imagine the horror of parents or spouse face when a loved one commits any sort of crime...ASIDE from the victims obviously, the loved ones are the most greatly affected. How would Anna support her family?
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Post by scrapmaven on May 22, 2015 3:45:18 GMT
Anna isn't supporting her family. She's having more and more children w/a man who is an admitted sexual offender. He's a used car salesman and apparently he sold both Anna and her family a bill of goods.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 3:45:54 GMT
As for Anna, she KNEW. She KNEW. Yet she chose to both marry and have children w/him. She's not a vicim, but she is imho an idiot. A big idiot. I know she looks at him all doe-eyed but I wonder how much she was pawned off my her family of origin. I'm seeing her more like chattel.
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Post by Nink on May 22, 2015 3:46:01 GMT
I can imagine the horror of parents or spouse face when a loved one commits any sort of crime...ASIDE from the victims obviously, the loved ones are the most greatly affected. How would Anna support her family? Hopefully she thought that through BEFORE she knowingly married a known sexual abuser.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:47:02 GMT
Yep! And believing in his goodness may come back to bite her in the ass. With no education to support her family. But she comes from the same abnormal breed
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 22, 2015 3:49:55 GMT
I can imagine the horror of parents or spouse face when a loved one commits any sort of crime...ASIDE from the victims obviously, the loved ones are the most greatly affected. How would Anna support her family? #1. She knew. And her family knew. #2. In my world, women are able to pursue educations and careers. I've helped support my family throughout my adult life and would do it independently if, God forbid, there was ever a need. The only thing that makes Anna different is her family culture.
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Post by Nanner on May 22, 2015 3:51:09 GMT
I've only read the first five pages, but I will again say how much I despise those parents. They are disgusting. And now, I think they're even more disgusting.
Everybody failed those young girls. Especially those assholes who call themselves their parents.
I agree that TLC has to pull the show.
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Post by gavinsmom on May 22, 2015 3:52:25 GMT
I can only hope that he is indeed remorseful and repentant. He can't undo the horror of abuse he brought to his victims but I sincerely hope he is no longer a threat. And if he ever felt like he could be a threat that he would address it before he hurts anyone else. And...I hope he doesn't propagate the abnormal culture in which he was raised...but he is already well on his way to that
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Post by vi on May 22, 2015 4:52:14 GMT
It was WRONG for Josh to do be a sexual predator at the age of 14. I feel horrible for his victims and his family. I have been a fan of the show in the past. Though I wouldn't raise my family with their rules, I have admired many of the things they have done such as helping tornado victims, working in soup kitchens, learning life skills, etc. They do have a patriarchal family with the father setting the rules and it seems like the father and mother love all their children. I hope Josh is truly repentant also and has changed his life. Listening to the interviews of his little girl, McKenzie, who is 5 and his little boy, Michael, who is 3, on the various shows, they seem like charming, well-adjusted children. Every time I see Anna interact with her children, she is teaching them with a lot of patience. She seems like an excellent mother. I hope for her sake and the children's sake that Josh has changed. I know the Duggars place a lot of faith in Jesus Christ and that he can change our hearts so that our actions line up with Christ's teachings.
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Post by jumperhop on May 22, 2015 5:02:11 GMT
I feel sorry for the girls. They are so trapped. I know one of the older girls really wants to go to college but her dad will not release sme of her money so she can. And I am sure if she tries to get grants and leaves she will be banished from the clan. Sick... I wonder if TLC will drop this show. They did with Honey Boo Boo. It would only be right to do so. And hopefully someone outside can get the girls help. I would love for them to disappear. But since there have been rumors of this for years and TLC has ignored it I don't see the duggards going away any time soon. Poor girls! jen
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 5:12:16 GMT
I think Josh is a serial molester. He is a pervert and how he got away with it disgusts me.
I also think he had normal, curious sexual feelings for his age at the time. With their kooky belief system, he had no way do show his feelings i.e with a girl his age, necking at a school dance (I know we did that when I was his age). He took this out on his sisters.
It may come to light that he is just a sexual deviant and will touch anyone or anything, but based on that weird belief system, I think it started there. No outlet to express feelings. No one to talk to i.e. high school counsellor that he could say "hey I have dreams about girls.I want to kiss a girl". He was educated at home by idiots. This is what happens.
He is sick, his family is now damaged and I will not ever watch anything Duggar related without thinking about how disgusting he is.
Never forgive and never forget!
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Post by Regina Phalange on May 22, 2015 5:19:39 GMT
Who is defending criminal behavior? My point was I can UNDERSTAND how this COULD happen given the nature of their lifestyle. These kids are freakishly immature and repressed about sexuality. A boy with crazy teenage hormones, a sexually repressive 'religion'/belief system, no outlet for information/curiosity fact checking, no privacy for dealing with your own damn body...recipe for disaster! He SHOULD have been punished! But a public hanging NOW doesn't erase the problem. And for ME..fondling breasts is WAY better in my minds cubicle than genitals. It's all wrong...but that just seems much worse to me. Abuse is abuse just like a sin is a sin but we all have our own levels of atrocity Ok. This is the third time you've chalked things up to "teenage hormones." Teenage hormones make you desire teenage girls (or boys). Teenage hormones do NOT make you desire to fondle your little sisters!!! BEING A PEDOPHILE does that!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 6:05:57 GMT
So there are proven allegations of sexual abuse, and not one child has been taken out of that house by cps?
Um how that not happen?
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