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Post by JBeans on May 27, 2015 1:58:03 GMT
The more and more stories that reveal the true nature of the Duggars, the more disheartening it becomes to see those that actually support them or "reserve no judgement" or call it "childhood curiosity".
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Post by mystuffandnat on May 27, 2015 2:06:41 GMT
Everyone seems to have a driver's license...off course political and police pull could put an end to that if one decides to leave.
So did Josh and Anna buy the house because they knew the shit was about to hit the fan?
When will people learn that what ever comes out of Jim Bob and Michelle mouths is bull, not the word of God.
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Post by hop2 on May 27, 2015 2:34:59 GMT
Everyone seems to have a driver's license...off course political and police pull could put an end to that if one decides to leave. So did Josh and Anna buy the house because they knew the shit was about to hit the fan? When will people learn that what ever comes out of Jim Bob and Michelle mouths is bull, not the word of God. I only asked because I've never watched the show and I didnt know. My nephews girlfriend was 19 and had no license, no birth certificate nothing. My sister took her to all he placed to gather her oaoer work and eventually apply for a license. So I know that there are kids out there whose oatents do not prepare them.
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Post by lucyg on May 27, 2015 4:30:31 GMT
I don't think it would be that hard for the girls to walk away, actually. I bet there are women's groups, freedom-from-religion groups, liberal groups of every stripe that would be happy to step in and help them get on their feet in the outside world.
And that's not even considering the commercial interests that would be waiting with open arms.
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Post by LeaP on May 27, 2015 5:39:08 GMT
The more I read the angrier I feel. They continue to be sanctimonious in spite of everything. I just hope that the advertisers withdraw, TLC cancels the show and they fade into obscurity after their girls get some counseling. Oh and I could use some eye bleach to get rid of the image of Jim Bob dry humping Michelle. The day I post about my DH doing that ***EVER***, admin please ban me and call the authorities.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 27, 2015 6:32:31 GMT
I don't think it would be that hard for the girls to walk away, actually. I bet there are women's groups, freedom-from-religion groups, liberal groups of every stripe that would be happy to step in and help them get on their feet in the outside world. And that's not even considering the commercial interests that would be waiting with open arms. However, they are all so brainwashed that they would be unlikely to function in the real world.
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Post by gypsymama on May 27, 2015 10:17:45 GMT
but do you think they WOULD/could walk away voluntarily, having been raised from birth in this religious setting, i'm not overly familiar with their exact doctrine but i'm going to guess that going to hell if you don't follow "their" ways is something ingrained in them.
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Post by grinningcat on May 27, 2015 11:27:58 GMT
but do you think they WOULD/could walk away voluntarily, having been raised from birth in this religious setting, i'm not overly familiar with their exact doctrine but i'm going to guess that going to hell if you don't follow "their" ways is something ingrained in them. Some walk away. There's a couple people who walked away from the Phelps cult (wasn't one of them a pea at one point?). You see it happen occasionally with the Amish and Hutterite communities. I know someone who walked away from (I think) the Seven Day Adventists. I think they can if the desire is there and they conquer the fear of going against what is expected of them. It's definitely hard, but people have done it. I do wonder if one of the Duggar kids will walk away. At some point. Or at least one can hope for the best for those trapped kids.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 27, 2015 11:37:10 GMT
Many get out of the FLDS cults as well. I know there is at least one group in Utah established to help those people. I believe they would have a lot of people and organizations willing to help them, if they truly wanted to leave.
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Post by grinningcat on May 27, 2015 12:05:29 GMT
Many get out of the FLDS cults as well. I know there is at least one group in Utah established to help those people. I believe they would have a lot of people and organizations willing to help them, if they truly wanted to leave. Yes! I wanted to list that group as well but couldn't for the life of me remember the name (not enough caffeine yet). I read a book about a girl who got out. Horrifying.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 27, 2015 13:30:09 GMT
I don't think it would be that hard for the girls to walk away, actually. I bet there are women's groups, freedom-from-religion groups, liberal groups of every stripe that would be happy to step in and help them get on their feet in the outside world. And that's not even considering the commercial interests that would be waiting with open arms. In the Duggars' case, I don't think they need the human rights groups......I bet TLC would bankroll a season or two of one of them escaping the nest.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 27, 2015 13:31:03 GMT
Many get out of the FLDS cults as well. I know there is at least one group in Utah established to help those people. I believe they would have a lot of people and organizations willing to help them, if they truly wanted to leave. Yes! I wanted to list that group as well but couldn't for the life of me remember the name (not enough caffeine yet). I read a book about a girl who got out. Horrifying. Do you recall the name of the book? Was it worth reading even though it is horrifying?
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Post by TheOtherMeg on May 27, 2015 13:40:53 GMT
I don't think it would be that hard for the girls to walk away, actually. I bet there are women's groups, freedom-from-religion groups, liberal groups of every stripe that would be happy to step in and help them get on their feet in the outside world. And that's not even considering the commercial interests that would be waiting with open arms. In the Duggars' case, I don't think they need the human rights groups......I bet TLC would bankroll a season or two of one of them escaping the nest. And then the Duggar supporters would say that TLC is a liberal, godless, anti-Christian corporation that enticed the girls away with worldly goods in order to take advantage of them for profit. Completely ignoring, of course, the fact that the Duggars willingly suckled at the TLC tit for years and took advantage of the TV exposure to promote their own agenda and turn a tidy profit.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 13:42:25 GMT
Yes! I wanted to list that group as well but couldn't for the life of me remember the name (not enough caffeine yet). I read a book about a girl who got out. Horrifying. Do you recall the name of the book? Was it worth reading even though it is horrifying? It's called Escape by Carolyn Jessop. Very eye opening.
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Post by greenlegume on May 27, 2015 13:45:00 GMT
I think the focus here is misplaced. First and foremost the victims need to get out of that house of horrors and get counseling. I don't think it would be a stretch to find out they have been brainwashed to think they were at fault - no, that is NOT my point of view, they were/are victims. As I have posted before I never watched the show. Are some of the girls still of the age where social services should be involved? I think some folks are getting their rocks off on this tragedy (Not directed to the OP, when the jokes and memes started to appear I got out of the other thread) and the victims abuse is getting lost as what should be the primary focus. I must have missed the jokes and memes. If you're referring to that video that I linked, you couldn't be more wrong. That's no joke-I saw that while contacting sponsors and I was stunned that THIS was the family that so many (including so many peas) was defending. Exactly who are you implying was "getting their rocks off?" Maybe you could point out the jokes and memes, too since I seemed to have missed them
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 27, 2015 13:59:20 GMT
In the Duggars' case, I don't think they need the human rights groups......I bet TLC would bankroll a season or two of one of them escaping the nest. And then the Duggar supporters would say that TLC is a liberal, godless, anti-Christian corporation that enticed the girls away with worldly goods in order to take advantage of them for profit. Completely ignoring, of course, the fact that the Duggars willingly suckled at the TLC tit for years and took advantage of the TV exposure to promote their own agenda and turn a tidy profit. I'd give that show ratings just to support the liberal, godless, treat-your-children-like-valueable-humans agenda! Fight the power Jinger!
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 27, 2015 14:16:10 GMT
Do you recall the name of the book? Was it worth reading even though it is horrifying? It's called Escape by Carolyn Jessop. Very eye opening. Thanks Scrappower. I feel like I know that story but don't see it on my Goodreads list. Was it a made for TV movie, maybe? (#readerproblems.....whenyoureadsomuchyoucan'trememberwhatyou'veread)
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Post by grinningcat on May 27, 2015 14:20:37 GMT
Do you recall the name of the book? Was it worth reading even though it is horrifying? It's called Escape by Carolyn Jessop. Very eye opening. Yes. That's it. Thanks @scrappower.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 27, 2015 14:22:42 GMT
Just downloaded it. Thanks for the recommendation.
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Post by lucyg on May 27, 2015 14:42:53 GMT
There's another really fantastic look at the Fundamentalist LDS movement worth reading: Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer. Warning, some of it revolves around a vicious double murder. But it is the book to read if you want to learn about FLDS within the context of the greater LDS church.
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Post by mystuffandnat on May 27, 2015 15:11:56 GMT
I don't think it would be that hard for the girls to walk away, actually. I bet there are women's groups, freedom-from-religion groups, liberal groups of every stripe that would be happy to step in and help them get on their feet in the outside world. And that's not even considering the commercial interests that would be waiting with open arms. I really hope so...just one needs to twitch and they will all be running out of Arkansas as fast as they can! I noticed everyone seemed to have cell phone and they accessed the internet to go wedding dress shopping...I would bet that while they are all huddled together in that one room they are looking at the real world thru a laptop.
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Post by greenlegume on May 27, 2015 15:15:32 GMT
linkMore clues on why nothing was ever done for the victims
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Post by stittsygirl on May 27, 2015 16:10:54 GMT
linkMore clues on why nothing was ever done for the victims So many people apparently knew. Yet these hypocrites were allowed to parade their innocent children and their "family values" across the TV screen for so long.
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Post by momof3pits on May 27, 2015 16:14:28 GMT
I want jim Bob and michelle to do an interview with dr Phil. I really really want to hear from them on everything.
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Post by lucyg on May 27, 2015 16:23:42 GMT
linkMore clues on why nothing was ever done for the victims Holy crap. What the hell is wrong with those people? How could they have gone along with putting their kids on TV with that whole dark cloud surrounding them?
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 27, 2015 16:39:23 GMT
linkMore clues on why nothing was ever done for the victims Holy crap. What the hell is wrong with those people? How could they have gone along with putting their kids on TV with that whole dark cloud surrounding them? You would think that "we are not being monitored by a child protection agency for any criminal/ molestation matters" would be a basic clause in any contract with TLC. These families are all train wrecks before TLC signs them. what kind of distorted self-images do you think Jim Bob and Michelle have to put their family on TV under these circumstances? I thought that he had a borderline IQ but now I wonder if it's a personality disorder?
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Post by lindywholoveskids on May 27, 2015 16:40:03 GMT
any clues on how to access that link? it's not clear to me. Do I have to Join something?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 16:48:35 GMT
any clues on how to access that link? it's not clear to me. Do I have to Join something? It' just opens an article. No joining needed. You might need to close the pop up ad.
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Post by lucyg on May 27, 2015 16:53:24 GMT
You know, I never paid any attention to these people before. I heard about them from the peas and watched the show once out of curiosity, but not my thing. Too many kids, too much religion, too conservative for me. But I didn't hate them or anything, I just wasn't interested. I am so freakin' shocked now to learn about this huge skeleton in their closet. Not that it happened ... things happen in families. But that they went to such lengths to cover it up, and then taunted fate by taking their family on TV ... they are just unbelievable. And the more I see of that dad, the more creepy he seems. That grinding-up-against-Michelle's-backside clip from the show was just the end of it for me. There is zero chance that he's actually the honest, admirable, true-believing family patriarch he portrays himself as. He's just a skeevy, gross, misogynistic manipulator who goes for power, fame, and money at the expense of his family. And she's no better for putting up with it, if she isn't an equal partner in creating the situation herself. any clues on how to access that link? it's not clear to me. Do I have to Join something? I just clicked the link and it took me to the story. It's at InTouch Weekly (or whatever it's called) and I'm not registered.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 27, 2015 17:06:20 GMT
I bet Josh was one of the victims of that police officers child pornography charges. It's the only logical reason I can come up with for him having a legitimate case against the child protection agency...... For failing to protect him.?! And with their insane beliefs, they would try to keep that part of the story hidden.
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