annonypea
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Post by annonypea on May 26, 2015 21:24:52 GMT
have addiction problems? And that's why the child isn't living with the parents, but rather with the grandparents?
This living situation started 5 months ago. The kids (my great niece and nephew, living with their grandma-- my sister), ages 2 and 5, do ask. So far, they've been answered with when the next visit will be, etc.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 21:36:54 GMT
Definitely not that young. I have to agree with only telling them what is needed at the time, such as when they will see them next. Part of my answer would also depend on how long it is expected to last. But a 2 & 5 year old don't even know what the word "addiction" means, I don't expect.
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Post by hannahruth on May 26, 2015 21:49:53 GMT
If a child of that age was asking me I would perhaps just say that the parent was not well, would certainly not mention addiction at that age and say that they were getting better and would maybe see them soon.
If it is a long term placement with your sister then as the children got older then the explanation would still be age appropriate and at an understanding that would suit the children's ages.
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Post by Really Red on May 26, 2015 21:54:49 GMT
Mommy and Daddy are sick and trying to get better. How difficult for everyone. I hope they are trying to get better. If they're not, you have to tell the kids they're sick. Keep it simple. I'm sure I'd get the advice of a psychologist as well.
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Post by caro on May 26, 2015 21:54:55 GMT
If a child of that age was asking me I would perhaps just say that the parent was not well, would certainly not mention addiction at that age and say that they were getting better and would maybe see them soon. If it is a long term placement with your sister then as the children got older then the explanation would still be age appropriate and at an understanding that would suit the children's ages. I think this is what I would say as well. I hope these parents get their act together but I would definitely rather see the children in a stable environment like I'm sure your sister can provide.
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Post by peasapie on May 26, 2015 21:55:03 GMT
That is an interesting question. We can all give our opinions, but I think this is something a therapist or member of the clergy might have an answer to. My initial reaction is to say that mommy or daddy isn't feeling well, but that might lead to fears of sickness or something. (Especially if both of them are "sick" -- I might start wondering when I was going to get sick, too, at that age.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 26, 2015 22:04:16 GMT
I agree with asking a therapist.
My experience with this is that most of the time, even little bitty kids know that something is not right. They may not have the words for what the 'not right' is and for some kids the not having the words is worse than being told well-intentioned vague reasons for mommy and/or daddy not being there to take care of them.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on May 27, 2015 1:01:03 GMT
Are they placed with their grandparents pursuant to a court order? If so, there should be some social workers involved in the case who might be able to help figure that out, if nothing else with a referral to an appropriate therapist.
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Post by epeanymous on May 27, 2015 1:03:07 GMT
I have two five-year-olds and a two-year-old, and I write about drugs for a living. They have no idea what it means to use drugs or be addicted to them, and I don't think that specific information is necessary. I liked the upthread "mommy and daddy are sick and trying to get better" -- that, they'd understand. I also like the suggestion of asking a therapist.
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Post by annonypea on May 27, 2015 1:11:34 GMT
Are they placed with their grandparents pursuant to a court order? If so, there should be some social workers involved in the case who might be able to help figure that out, if nothing else with a referral to an appropriate therapist. Yes, but the social workers are not very helpful. Seriously.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 27, 2015 1:50:34 GMT
I would give them what I call small pieces of the truth. Eg. Mommy and daddy love them. Mommy and daddy have problems that stop them from being able to take care of children right now.
Be very careful about saying that mommy and daddy are "sick" since, at that age, they'll be freaked out every time someone gets a cold. ( do we have to move somewhere else?). Of course, they won't have the words to articulate that but you'll see behaviours if they 're stressed.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 2:09:16 GMT
I would start now with the truth. No, a 2 year old doesn't understand the word "addiction" but a 5 year old can understand a simple explanation of what an addiction is. Give them the gift of a vocabulary they can use to understand and explain the world they live in even though it is not a pleasant sweet world.
Don't tell them their parents are "sick" because then every time someone is physically sick they will worry it means that person will go away too. Using a euphemism like "sick" is to make it easy for you, not them.
You are the one with the emotionally baggage tied to the word addict over the word sick. The children do not have that baggage. The five year old, and eventually the 2 year old, will have questions about what an addict is. Explain to them factually and non judgmentally. Explain it means they can't take care of a child right now so they have been placed where they are loved and taken care of. I wouldn't make promises (even accidentally implied ones) that someday mommy and daddy will get well and come get them.... that may happen but it may not. Just affirm that they are loved where they are at, and that their parents love them even if they can't take care of them. Yes, you will probably end up explaining some things about drug use you'd rather not. But knowledge is power for anyone and by being truthful from the outset no one has to worry about the secrets coming to light later. There are no secrets.
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Post by smokey2471 on May 27, 2015 3:27:26 GMT
I have two five-year-olds and a two-year-old, and I write about drugs for a living. They have no idea what it means to use drugs or be addicted to them, and I don't think that specific information is necessary. I liked the upthread "mommy and daddy are sick and trying to get better" -- that, they'd understand. I also like the suggestion of asking a therapist. I'm just being nosey. Where do you write? I take a lot of medicine and enjoy reading about it. Do you write about prescription drugs or street drugs?
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Post by mirabelleswalker on May 27, 2015 3:38:07 GMT
There is no reason to tell them. They won't understand it at this age. It will just create confusion.
All anyone has to say is that the parents are not able to take care of them right now.
Signed, someone who deals with kids in life-and-death situations on a daily basis.
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Post by finally~a~mama on May 27, 2015 3:47:19 GMT
When my DD was in preschool at age 4 there was a little boy in her class that was being raised by his grandparents. I don't know how it was explained to the little boy, but the other kids were told that sometimes moms or dads don't make the best choices and can't take care of their children. So a grandparent takes care of them instead. I'm really not sure if it was the little boy or the teachers that told the class this. But making good choices/bad choices was a topic that came up frequently in preschool regarding behavior so I think it made a certain degree of sense to the students.
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Post by epeanymous on May 27, 2015 4:08:05 GMT
I have two five-year-olds and a two-year-old, and I write about drugs for a living. They have no idea what it means to use drugs or be addicted to them, and I don't think that specific information is necessary. I liked the upthread "mommy and daddy are sick and trying to get better" -- that, they'd understand. I also like the suggestion of asking a therapist. I'm just being nosey. Where do you write? I take a lot of medicine and enjoy reading about it. Do you write about prescription drugs or street drugs? I am a legal academic, so it is about drug law and policy. My general thesis has been that we have been more rational about drug policy in the past fifteen years or so, although that rationality is driven by budgetary constraints and weariness as much as anything. Unfortunately you'd need to have a subscription to a legal research service to read them, but I have a book proposal that I am shopping around right now so hopefully some of my research will become more broadly available at some point .
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Post by leeny on May 27, 2015 4:14:42 GMT
My dd and our 6 yo dgs live with us. Dgs's dad is a total flake. He got a DUI and told dgs that he couldn't drive because his car tire was flat. Dgs wanted me to go out and buy him a tire so he could be with his dad. It breaks my heart. Now his dad is in the slammer because of that DUI and all we can tell dgs is that he is not able to be with his dad right now. But I know he is old enough to know better.
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Post by MerryMom on May 27, 2015 11:46:32 GMT
The grandmother who is raising the children should be the one to answer the question, not you.
What specifically are the children asking?
For that age, simply saying "Mom and Dad are getting help and can't live with you right now" is sufficient. Children of that age don't need to know the specifics of the "why".
I've worked in child welfare and that is along the lines of what we say or the parents say to kids when we have to remove them from the parents' custody.
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Post by tduby1 on May 27, 2015 15:13:05 GMT
My nephew is now 20, his dad gained custody of him at the age of two. His mom was/is an addict. I helped my brother raise him. Honestly, I don't even remember what/how we told him. He just seemed to know what he needed to know when he needed to know it. I imagine we fed him bits and pieces and over the years. Also, when he was four a judge insisted on speaking with him privately (he was so scared, "Is he going to yell at me like judge Judy?") and I think the judge may have helped lay some ground work for him to understand the situation. He just was sort of an intuitive kid, so I don't remember us really having to discuss it that much with him he just seemed to know.
My brother gained custody when his mom left him with a brand spanking new boyfriend (within days of meeting)to go on a several day binge and the boyfriend finally called my brother because he had no idea what to do with a two year old child. And until visits were finally cut off by the court, there were a few years of such shenanigans even during weekend visits, hence the judge asking to speak to him, to get the stories from him. So there's that.
I vote for Volt's response though. I think that makes the most sense.
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Post by smokey2471 on May 27, 2015 16:46:08 GMT
I'm just being nosey. Where do you write? I take a lot of medicine and enjoy reading about it. Do you write about prescription drugs or street drugs? I am a legal academic, so it is about drug law and policy. My general thesis has been that we have been more rational about drug policy in the past fifteen years or so, although that rationality is driven by budgetary constraints and weariness as much as anything. Unfortunately you'd need to have a subscription to a legal research service to read them, but I have a book proposal that I am shopping around right now so hopefully some of my research will become more broadly available at some point . That sounds interesting just a thought and you mean not even write about these things but I have a friend who has dabbled in drugs her entire life. Not to the point of it being a problem but she knows many people who are. The thing is in our area they have put such a crackdown on prescription pain meds (I even have trouble getting mine and my injuries are well documented it's just a bunch of hoops. Anyway in the last month 12 people have od'd on heroin (it was apparently a very pure batch) they were used to crap street heroin but because they can no longer get prescriptions drugs they are getting their high on whatever is available. Our drug problem in this country (and others as well) is bad. It fascinates me although it seems morbid the drug sites where people talk about all the ways they get high and what they will do. My own brother is a recovering heroine addict although he has now been clean for 8 years he said the inner pull never completely goes away and sometimes for no reason it pops up, could be a song or something that reminds him of that time. It's scary stuff.
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Post by annonypea on May 27, 2015 17:20:13 GMT
Right now it's 'temporary'. Mom is supposed to be jumping through some hoops (drug screens among them) to get custody back. But she isn't doing anything in that regard. I think if/when it becomes permanent (how does that get determined? I don't know), then explanations to the kids would change, right?
I'm just the aunt, but I'm an 'authorized caregiver', and I do spend time with them. Questions come up in my care. I wouldn't DARE start up some brand new way of answering those questions, but I am close to them and my sister and I have talked on this topic.
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