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Post by epeanymous on Jul 27, 2015 16:45:43 GMT
I wanted very much at first to think it was a misunderstanding or an incident where poor judgment abounded from all sides, but that doesn't happen with this much consistency, this many times. I'm so sad for all those women who were hurt and silenced and not believed. I hope they receive justice in whatever form they are able. I am often a little sad for people who are pioneers or public figures and who fall so badly. I went through my boss's very public sex scandal many years ago and remember the hurt all around, including his pain, even though he had done things that were very wrong. He had hurt many people and he knew that, and the pain in his own heart was earned but was still awful to see. I wonder if Cosby is feeling that kind of pain now. I dunno - did you read his deposition from a few years ago (the one that was just made public recently)? He seemed to have no remorse and think there's no real difference between having a drink with someone before sex and drugging them. Yeah, and this isn't a sex scandal, this is serial rape. I'm not feeling this as a "pain in his heart" situation.
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Post by shevy on Jul 27, 2015 16:46:03 GMT
It's the no remorse in his attitude and information from the deposition. It makes me believe he either thought he was special because he was famous or just a rampant sex offender.
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Post by grammanisi on Jul 27, 2015 16:47:13 GMT
Again, wow. It is disgusting to think of how long he got away with this.
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Post by moveablefeast on Jul 27, 2015 17:28:59 GMT
I dunno - did you read his deposition from a few years ago (the one that was just made public recently)? He seemed to have no remorse and think there's no real difference between having a drink with someone before sex and drugging them. Yeah, and this isn't a sex scandal, this is serial rape. I'm not feeling this as a "pain in his heart" situation. I guess I should clarify - this wasn't "boss gets a blowjob from the secretary" kind of situation - it was a serious situation involving criminal sexual activity and a number of victims in addition to breach of contract, alcohol/drugs, and other issues. I use the term sex scandal because I don't have a better term for the whole mess. It was a matter where it took a major public exposure to cause any kind of action to be taken and it was really, really nasty. I'm not equating the two, but all I'm saying is that my experience with this situation I watched unfold under my nose has just colored the way I look at people who do these things. It makes me wonder what people feel inside.
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Post by valleyview on Jul 27, 2015 17:35:54 GMT
Thanks for sharing this visual. It's so difficult to believe how he tried to keep his wife in the dark, but never equated his behavior as wrong in a legal sense. Imagine getting a phone call from him the way his victim's mother did! The man is warped.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 27, 2015 17:48:55 GMT
I wanted very much at first to think it was a misunderstanding or an incident where poor judgment abounded from all sides, but that doesn't happen with this much consistency, this many times. I'm so sad for all those women who were hurt and silenced and not believed. I hope they receive justice in whatever form they are able. I agree ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg)
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Post by valincal on Jul 27, 2015 17:52:08 GMT
That certainly gives meaning to the phrase "strength in numbers" Very powerful. Very. I haven't followed the case very closely and I have to say I'm shocked that this many women have come forward. I admire them...he obviously thought he was going to continue abusing women without any recourse.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 27, 2015 17:53:05 GMT
Yow, that puts it in perspective!!! And those are the ones who've come forward! How many remain silent?
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Post by Kelpea on Jul 27, 2015 17:55:54 GMT
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Post by Mystie on Jul 27, 2015 18:05:52 GMT
The article is really powerful, in a horrible way. It's definitely worth reading. The evil in that man is just mind-boggling.
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Post by kristi on Jul 27, 2015 18:39:08 GMT
I have heard the various stories in the news but what a powerful cover. I had no idea that many women were involved.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 27, 2015 18:39:33 GMT
I wanted very much at first to think it was a misunderstanding or an incident where poor judgment abounded from all sides, but that doesn't happen with this much consistency, this many times. I'm so sad for all those women who were hurt and silenced and not believed. I hope they receive justice in whatever form they are able. I agree ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) I agree! Even DH mentioned he wanted it to be blown out of proportion for his wife's sake.
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Post by librarylady on Jul 27, 2015 18:50:35 GMT
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Post by seriousscrapper on Jul 27, 2015 19:09:34 GMT
WOW!! He needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!!!
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Post by katieanna on Jul 27, 2015 19:23:12 GMT
Yes, and that is not all the women who came forward, and there are doubtlessly more who didn't come forward. So, so disgusting. ![:shocked:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/JvSt42CUoZ9LG952aAaF.jpg) UN-believable! I don't know if Bill Cosby can be prosecuted for these crimes but even if he isn't, his career is ruined, as it should be if everything being said is true. And I think of how much I had admired him. ![:-[](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/embarrassed.png)
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jul 27, 2015 19:39:50 GMT
I'm glad these women are finally being heard. I remember when this story surfaced before and even on this board (or the old one, can't remember), there were quite a few people doubting the women and saying it was just a money grab or some kind of conspiracy. And in the article they even mention it took a joke by Hannibal Burress to get the ball rolling again. I feel for these women and how it impacted their lives. It's horrible they were raped to begin with, but then to feel that nobody would believe them and to see his face everywhere; I can't imagine carrying that inside for so long.
Cosby clearly think he did nothing wrong. It's sick. And there had to be a number of people that protected him. Ugh.
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Post by scrapaddie on Jul 27, 2015 19:42:21 GMT
Great visual.......of such a sad disgusting situation. I hope these woman gain peace. They certainly have gained my respect!!!! I don't want to sound harsh, but how have they gained your respect? They were silent for many years and this allowed the abuse to continue. So many victims! It's hard to believe that many women kept quiet for that long. In a somewhat similar situation, I certainly did not keep quiet. And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak
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Post by librarylady on Jul 27, 2015 20:03:05 GMT
Great visual.......of such a sad disgusting situation. I hope these woman gain peace. They certainly have gained my respect!!!! I don't want to sound harsh, but how have they gained your respect? They were silent for many years and this allowed the abuse to continue. So many victims! It's hard to believe that many women kept quiet for that long. In a somewhat similar situation, I certainly did not keep quiet.And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak The ones who tried to speak up were not believed. I can tell you, in a personal story that I know all the individuals--the man was well respected and the first 2 girls who spoke up were not believed, and were ridiculed. It was only after several years passed and another girl spoke up---that the victims were believed. Initially the woman who spoke against Cosby was accused of just wanting money. I understand how hard it was to get their voices heard and believed.
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Post by roxley on Jul 27, 2015 20:19:17 GMT
Great visual.......of such a sad disgusting situation. I hope these woman gain peace. They certainly have gained my respect!!!! I don't want to sound harsh, but how have they gained your respect? They were silent for many years and this allowed the abuse to continue. So many victims! It's hard to believe that many women kept quiet for that long. In a somewhat similar situation, I certainly did not keep quiet. And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak But that isn't the case. SEVERAL DID speak up. That is how we have the deposition from a few years ago. Even with the horrible things he admitted to then, nothing happened. You also have to understand that many of these happened 30 years ago when victims were believed even less than they are now. It was still "you dressed provocatively, or you shouldn't have had that drink". Many were in the industry. I'm guessing the playboy bunnies weren't believed just because of who they were. Many of the women's jobs were probably on the line. Many of them probably didn't even know exactly what happened. And how do you convince someone something bad happened if you can't remember it all yourself. Also, just that fact that he is a huge celebrity would make it much more difficult to come forward than just your average jerk.
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Post by knit.pea on Jul 27, 2015 20:24:50 GMT
It happened. Everyone now knows it happened, because these women were brave enough to step out of the shadows, put their names and faces in print, and finally be heard.
The truth is far more powerful than him.
And everyone KNOWS it now.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 27, 2015 20:38:37 GMT
Cosby was certainly prolific in his crimes - a serial rapist. There were so many people who knew what was going on and protected him over the years.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 27, 2015 20:45:22 GMT
I wanted very much at first to think it was a misunderstanding or an incident where poor judgment abounded from all sides, but that doesn't happen with this much consistency, this many times. I'm so sad for all those women who were hurt and silenced and not believed. I hope they receive justice in whatever form they are able. I am often a little sad for people who are pioneers or public figures and who fall so badly. I went through my boss's very public sex scandal many years ago and remember the hurt all around, including his pain, even though he had done things that were very wrong. He had hurt many people and he knew that, and the pain in his own heart was earned but was still awful to see. I wonder if Cosby is feeling that kind of pain now. I dunno - did you read his deposition from a few years ago (the one that was just made public recently)? He seemed to have no remorse and think there's no real difference between having a drink with someone before sex and drugging them. His attitude in that deposition was reprehensible. I don't have any sympathy for him AT ALL.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 20:47:46 GMT
Great visual.......of such a sad disgusting situation. I hope these woman gain peace. They certainly have gained my respect!!!! I don't want to sound harsh, but how have they gained your respect? They were silent for many years and this allowed the abuse to continue. So many victims! It's hard to believe that many women kept quiet for that long. In a somewhat similar situation, I certainly did not keep quiet. And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak
GROSS Because, yeah, it's so glamorous to be a victim of sexual abuse.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 27, 2015 20:49:45 GMT
I don't want to sound harsh, but how have they gained your respect? They were silent for many years and this allowed the abuse to continue. So many victims! It's hard to believe that many women kept quiet for that long. In a somewhat similar situation, I certainly did not keep quiet. And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak But that isn't the case. SEVERAL DID speak up. That is how we have the deposition from a few years ago. Even with the horrible things he admitted to then, nothing happened. You also have to understand that many of these happened 30 years ago when victims were believed even less than they are now. It was still "you dressed provocatively, or you shouldn't have had that drink". Many were in the industry. I'm guessing the playboy bunnies weren't believed just because of who they were. Many of the women's jobs were probably on the line. Many of them probably didn't even know exactly what happened. And how do you convince someone something bad happened if you can't remember it all yourself. Also, just that fact that he is a huge celebrity would make it much more difficult to come forward than just your average jerk. Exactly. Did you see all the people on this thread who said that they either hoped or thought that the women they first heard made accusations were making them up, going after a powerful man, etc.? That is what the women who came forward experienced. Sexual assault is still something that women have difficulty reporting because they know they won't be believed. Throw in a dash of "much of this happened when attitudes about sexual assault were even worse" and combine it with "these women would be going after, with little chance of success, a man who would destroy any chance they had at a career," and it is really pretty easy to understand. But, yes, do let's blame the victims for a serial rapist.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 27, 2015 20:50:33 GMT
Great visual.......of such a sad disgusting situation. I hope these woman gain peace. They certainly have gained my respect!!!! I don't want to sound harsh, but how have they gained your respect? They were silent for many years and this allowed the abuse to continue. So many victims! It's hard to believe that many women kept quiet for that long. In a somewhat similar situation, I certainly did not keep quiet. And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak I think when it comes to such a popular, beloved, public figure, many of these women found it difficult to come forward. Also the way he did it.. by drugging them, probably had them questioning if this really happened. Add to that the "blame the victim" mentality in our society... especially when it come to celebrities.. and the fact that most of the women were not connected except through the rapist.. its not something you discuss casually... "I was raped by Bill Cosby, were you?" It is surprising to me that it came out at all.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 27, 2015 21:15:02 GMT
That certainly gives meaning to the phrase "strength in numbers" Very powerful. Well put! And I agree, very powerful image.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2015 21:25:25 GMT
And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak Statements like this perpetuate the problem of victim silence and facilitate a rape society.
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Post by caro on Jul 27, 2015 21:44:20 GMT
Yeah, wow!
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 27, 2015 21:55:09 GMT
Great visual.......of such a sad disgusting situation. I hope these woman gain peace. They certainly have gained my respect!!!! I don't want to sound harsh, but how have they gained your respect? They were silent for many years and this allowed the abuse to continue. So many victims! It's hard to believe that many women kept quiet for that long. In a somewhat similar situation, I certainly did not keep quiet. And the skeptic in me says that some of these women, a few of them anyway, jumped on the bus, so to speak I'm wondering if you read the article and clicked on each story. You should.
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Post by sharlag on Jul 27, 2015 22:08:12 GMT
I thought that 1. The brief stories of each woman did a great job describing where they were emotionally, and the shock/numbness of the initial first response, largely because of the confusion the drugs created and the disbelief that a kindly persona like Cosby would really do what he did.
2. I was shocked how many mentioned just A SIP and BAM! the drugged drink knocked them loopy. I always figured I'd be able to taste a drug and therefore, protect myself before becoming too drugged to escape. Only one? woman mentioned that scenario in the stories I read.
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